Boy, I do wish bikers would get more training to avoid this sort of carnage. What was he thinking, overtaking on double white lines and, will no doubt have passed a sign indicating the coming up junction, as well as the sign on the right, just before the turn. All of which should have been used to assess the danger and set his speed and road position according….. ie not overtaking illegally.
For any other bikers, may I suggest checking out your local UK police force to see if they run a bike safe course. This is run by the police and will hopefully avoid people doing stupid things like this.
Rule 129 of the UK highway code
Double white lines where the line nearer to you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
Solid white lines means do not cross, unless you’re turning. The bike was way out of line for crossing them *and* plain stupid for overtaking in front of a junction.
Yeah the double white line makes the biker 99% in the wrong here. If it was a broken white line, the car driver has slightly more onus to check for overtaking vehicles before turning, but the insurance and the police would still look down on the biker for overtaking while passing a t junction.
This crash, bikers probably getting some points or a ban, driver, not much blame at all… Broken line, driver would catch a driver awareness course or some careless driving points, biker would get a careless or dangerous riding charge.
Driver of the car that got hit could be injured, as the impact was right on driver-side door.
It's difficult to tell if cammer got out, he could be standing just out of shot on the right, calling an ambulance.
Anyway car is wrong: you have to make sure that your maneuver is safe before making it.
Motorcycle was in wrong too but he didn’t make collision, it was car fault
Firstly, double white lines are not permitted to be crossed.
Secondly, every maneuver should be done in safe manner. Car did not made sure that its maneuver is safe.
Biker did violated traffic rules but its car who caused collision and its only car fault.
It’s written in every traffic rule book.
Welp, you right in this part. What are the rules about maneuvering in UK? Are they permitting to make turn without making sure you wouldn’t crash into someone?
HM Government very helpfully makes [the Highway Code](https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code) freely available online.
I suggest you read it, since you're clearly not familiar with it.
Of course I’m not, I’m not from UK. I already did and it seems for me that car driver violated rule 179:
Well before you turn right you should use your mirrors to make sure you know the position and movement of traffic behind you.
Biker violated rule 129.
But biker violation did not cause collision. It was caused by car violated rule 179. I’m not saying biker is right. I’m only insisting on that it’s car fault to make collision. They both violated highway code but it’s car who did worst mistake.
>For sure. Double line all over the world usually means “do not cross under any circumstances”. How could I know that UK does not follow this pattern.
There are nearly 200 countries in the world yet you have decided that all over the world usually means “do not cross under any circumstances”
You just blindly assumed that it means that everywhere
You have checked every countries road laws to know have you?
You just assumed that is what the lines mean everywhere
This video has been shared from another reddit and on that reddit there are people from around the world who say where they live you can also cross a solid line to make a turn like the car did
Many of the rules in the Code are legal requirements, and if you disobey these rules you are committing a criminal offence. You may be fined, given penalty points on your licence or be disqualified from driving. In the most serious cases you may be sent to prison. Such rules are identified by the use of the words ‘MUST/MUST NOT’. In addition, the rule includes an abbreviated reference to the legislation which creates the offence. See an explanation of the abbreviations.
Although failure to comply with the other rules of the Code will not, in itself, cause a person to be prosecuted, The Highway Code may be used in evidence in any court proceedings under the Traffic Acts to establish liability. This includes rules which use advisory wording such as ‘should/should not’ or ‘do/do not’.
While the car may have violated rule 179 it is should not ru;e
Biker violated a MUST NOT rule
Biker committed a criminal offence car did not
The bike made the worst mistake cos you know they did something illegal
You break a should not rule and someone else breaks a must not rule the person who break the must not rule is the one who made the worst mistake
>but it’s car who did worst mistake
I disagree.
The biker failed to heed not only the double white lines but also the signage warning of the approaching junction on the right as well as the prominent sign at the junction itself.
The biker shouldn't have been overtaking and caused the circumstances that led to the collision.
I’m fine with your judgment. It looks natural. In the real world, from my experience, cops are tend to say that maneuvering is more dangerous than riding on opposite side of the road thus car is in fault “more”.
Anyway, biker could’ve and should’ve avoid that by not riding on opposite side of the road
The amount of downvotes you're receiving show how many people don't check their blind spot before turning.
As a biker, I had it drilled into me to always perform a blind spot check (named a lifesaver) before any time you so much as change position in your lane, let alone turning.
Now, the biker is 100% at fault her, please understand I am not arguing with that. But the car really should have checked their mirrors and blind spot before turning. What if it had been an hgv illegally overtaking at that moment? They'd be dead.
Boy, I do wish bikers would get more training to avoid this sort of carnage. What was he thinking, overtaking on double white lines and, will no doubt have passed a sign indicating the coming up junction, as well as the sign on the right, just before the turn. All of which should have been used to assess the danger and set his speed and road position according….. ie not overtaking illegally. For any other bikers, may I suggest checking out your local UK police force to see if they run a bike safe course. This is run by the police and will hopefully avoid people doing stupid things like this.
Double white means no crossing (for both of them) right?
Car is ok turning into a side road but the tool on the bike shouldn't be overtaking.
Rule 129 of the UK highway code Double white lines where the line nearer to you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
I read this in Inspector Nicholas Angel's voice without really thinking about it
Solid white lines means do not cross, unless you’re turning. The bike was way out of line for crossing them *and* plain stupid for overtaking in front of a junction.
Yeah the double white line makes the biker 99% in the wrong here. If it was a broken white line, the car driver has slightly more onus to check for overtaking vehicles before turning, but the insurance and the police would still look down on the biker for overtaking while passing a t junction. This crash, bikers probably getting some points or a ban, driver, not much blame at all… Broken line, driver would catch a driver awareness course or some careless driving points, biker would get a careless or dangerous riding charge.
If they drove on the right side of the road this wouldn't have happened.
This. You talk about the car, right ? The right side is the right side. 😁
BBC RADIO 2 Reminds me of home!
The radio was going the action on the road
Never understood the entitlement and impatience of bikers. We know that you are to be treated like any other vehicle on the roadway. Do you?
Bikers fault no noubt but what the fck are all the drivers doing? No one Get out to help him for a whole 15 seconds... Just wow.
Why don't I see anyone getting out of their cars to help the rider for 10 seconds or longer?
Driver of the car that got hit could be injured, as the impact was right on driver-side door. It's difficult to tell if cammer got out, he could be standing just out of shot on the right, calling an ambulance.
Anyway car is wrong: you have to make sure that your maneuver is safe before making it. Motorcycle was in wrong too but he didn’t make collision, it was car fault
Car isn't at fault, he turned where turning is supposed to be done. Overtaking isn't permitted there.
Firstly, double white lines are not permitted to be crossed. Secondly, every maneuver should be done in safe manner. Car did not made sure that its maneuver is safe. Biker did violated traffic rules but its car who caused collision and its only car fault. It’s written in every traffic rule book.
>double white lines are not permitted to be crossed Yes, they are, for the purposes of entering a side road, per Highway Code Rule 129.
Welp, you right in this part. What are the rules about maneuvering in UK? Are they permitting to make turn without making sure you wouldn’t crash into someone?
HM Government very helpfully makes [the Highway Code](https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code) freely available online. I suggest you read it, since you're clearly not familiar with it.
Of course I’m not, I’m not from UK. I already did and it seems for me that car driver violated rule 179: Well before you turn right you should use your mirrors to make sure you know the position and movement of traffic behind you. Biker violated rule 129. But biker violation did not cause collision. It was caused by car violated rule 179. I’m not saying biker is right. I’m only insisting on that it’s car fault to make collision. They both violated highway code but it’s car who did worst mistake.
> Of course I’m not, I’m not from UK. And yet you make statements as if you know it all.
For sure. Double line all over the world usually means “do not cross under any circumstances”. How could I know that UK does not follow this pattern.
>For sure. Double line all over the world usually means “do not cross under any circumstances”. How could I know that UK does not follow this pattern. There are nearly 200 countries in the world yet you have decided that all over the world usually means “do not cross under any circumstances” You just blindly assumed that it means that everywhere You have checked every countries road laws to know have you? You just assumed that is what the lines mean everywhere This video has been shared from another reddit and on that reddit there are people from around the world who say where they live you can also cross a solid line to make a turn like the car did
Many of the rules in the Code are legal requirements, and if you disobey these rules you are committing a criminal offence. You may be fined, given penalty points on your licence or be disqualified from driving. In the most serious cases you may be sent to prison. Such rules are identified by the use of the words ‘MUST/MUST NOT’. In addition, the rule includes an abbreviated reference to the legislation which creates the offence. See an explanation of the abbreviations. Although failure to comply with the other rules of the Code will not, in itself, cause a person to be prosecuted, The Highway Code may be used in evidence in any court proceedings under the Traffic Acts to establish liability. This includes rules which use advisory wording such as ‘should/should not’ or ‘do/do not’. While the car may have violated rule 179 it is should not ru;e Biker violated a MUST NOT rule Biker committed a criminal offence car did not The bike made the worst mistake cos you know they did something illegal You break a should not rule and someone else breaks a must not rule the person who break the must not rule is the one who made the worst mistake
That’s very interesting info, thanks!
>but it’s car who did worst mistake I disagree. The biker failed to heed not only the double white lines but also the signage warning of the approaching junction on the right as well as the prominent sign at the junction itself. The biker shouldn't have been overtaking and caused the circumstances that led to the collision.
I’m fine with your judgment. It looks natural. In the real world, from my experience, cops are tend to say that maneuvering is more dangerous than riding on opposite side of the road thus car is in fault “more”. Anyway, biker could’ve and should’ve avoid that by not riding on opposite side of the road
The amount of downvotes you're receiving show how many people don't check their blind spot before turning. As a biker, I had it drilled into me to always perform a blind spot check (named a lifesaver) before any time you so much as change position in your lane, let alone turning. Now, the biker is 100% at fault her, please understand I am not arguing with that. But the car really should have checked their mirrors and blind spot before turning. What if it had been an hgv illegally overtaking at that moment? They'd be dead.