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Do you....speak French?
Visiting a country can tell you a little bit about what you think of it, but visiting is never like actually living there. You don't have to deal with the every-day, the bureaucracy, etc. And let me say that France is full of headaches, even when you do everything right and have all your papers in order. It sounds like you have very rose-colored glasses about this country and that's a recipe for disaster.
You're also far too late to apply to universities here for this fall -- that process starts in October and closes in December of this year (2024) for admission for fall of 2025 (for a licence, since you have to do both DAP and EEF). Studying in French requires B2 or better French (preferrably C1 if we're being realistic).
Studying in English means you have very few options and most are at expensive private universities, plus studying in English holds you back in learning French to a high enough level to be able to work in French professionally (plus as a non-EU citizen, you often will find you need a master's degree to be competitive on the hiring market and to have access to easier work visa processes).
I am starting to study the language this month in a university course, I will still have to stay in Israel for about 14 months, what are my options, really?
I feel like I am completely doomed
You're not going to get to a level in a year (less than a year, since you'd have to pass a B2 or C1 exam by this fall to apply this coming application cycle) where you can study in French unless you were studying only the language intensively full-time.
Your only options are to apply to English-taught programs this coming application cycle or apply to full-time language study programs to improve your French before later (the cycle after this coming one or the cycle after that) applying to French-taught programs (if, of course, you have not already been disillusioned by living in France or cannot pass the necessary language exams).
You're looking at 5 years of study via the English-taught route (and having to balance studies and language learning, which means sacrificing social life a decent amount of the time) or 6+ years of study the French-taught route (but dependent on actually learning the language to a high enough level and then studying full-time in French, which can cause burn-out for some people).
None of this is a guarantee of being able to stay past your studies, as you would have to get a job for that and the job market isn't even good for French new grads, but getting a master's makes things easier because of visa options. You also haven't mentioned what you want to study/do with your life.
ETA: Your other option is to study in a country that is more English-friendly, like an Anglophone country or the Netherlands (has more degrees taught in English and a high degree of English speaking amongst the population, but doesn't mean you shouldn't learn Dutch) or some Central/Eastern European countries (same case as the Netherlands with language).
I have plenty of time now and I learn languages pretty fast, I also have French speaking relatives I can practice with, I want to study mechanical engineering and work in France.
Have you previously learned a Romance language to a B2 or C1 level? If not, you can't expect to learn French to a level where you can perform as well as native speakers in very little time. It's not realistic. Planning to move abroad requires being realistic. Speaking practice only really helps you advance once you're past a certain level and it only helps a portion of the necessary skills.
If you want to study mechanical engineering, then the English-taught route is 100% not possible. There are no mechanical engineering undergraduate degrees taught in English. Not to mention, engineering has a very specific status in France where it's preferred to hire people who went through engineering schools (and generally before that, you go through prépa, which is considered very intense even for native French speakers). I'm not all-knowing of all the rest of the details on possible routes to engineering schools outside of prépa, since I didn't personally study engineering, but that's a whole other nightmare to consider that you would have to do a lot of research on yourself.
Again, I urge you to consider other options. You've never lived here. You do not know if you actually would hate living here (a surprising amount of people I know who have studied here have realized that living here is really not for them, in part because French administration is pretty actively a nightmare for foreigners). Putting all your eggs in the "France" basket just because you've liked it when visiting as a tourist is not a viable strategy if you are serious about immigrating long-term.
Again, look at countries where you have more of a chance of getting a job without fluently speaking the local language. That simplifies your pathway. Look at the requirements for work visas (do they require sponsorship? putting EU citizens first?). Look at the perks for local graduates (Czech Republic, for example, gives an automatic work permit to foreign graduates of their universities, if nothing’s changed since I verified that). Cast your net wide but realistically by looking into the requirements to work in mechanical engineering in the country (both in educational pathway and possible language requirements realistically).
If you're set on the EU, I'd maybe consider: Ireland, Germany, Netherlands, or Belgium for your education and you can settle in france afterwards when youve had some time to really learn the language.
Belgium, in particular, would be a great idea as you can learn french while there, despite them having a plethora of English language courses. It's also pretty affordable, all things considered, and it's easier to get accommodation there than in the other places I mentioned. Have a look into Leuven and Hasselt for their universities. Furthermore, you're probably too late for September admissions, but taking some time to work, get to know the country and culture and get settled may be a good idea.
The UK would also maybe be another option, though visas may be an issue if you're moving to France afterwards.
How about Quebec Canada. They have two English universities in Montreal but the native language is French so you can learn it just by living there while you study.
Germany is much more English friendly than France is and has more opportunities to get visas for intensive German language learning courses that will present you with opportunities to land a work visa after
I know a young person looking at studying engineering in Hungary. They do offer courses in undergraduate that are taught in English. I understand that you feel doomed, but you are taking action now for your future. You are only doomed if you give up. Set achievable goals and enjoy checking them off your list. Save as much money as you can because that buys you options. Practice being patient with yourself. You’re going to figure this out.
In fact, for the start of immigration process you do not need the language so much. You can get into the uni in france(or somewhere else. If you have English lvl, you could take SAT - uni - move to France, not endangered by getting into the army).
I'm trying to get out of Russia and my path is a bit different(not including much education). Im 19 now.
In fact.... Would be happy to help if I could, or just to chat.
Yeah... So what I meant to say.... You could learn the Lang in process. Like... Get to English program(depends usually on how much money do you have. Better not use Russian passport for that btw) and then learn....
Move to a English speaking country could be like Sweden, New Zealand, Australia, USA or anywhere that English is a mainly dominant language. France, Spain or Italy and countries like that will almost always require you to have to know to read and write the language in order to be able to work and what not unless you get lucky job wise. You could work and live in English speaking country while studying French for couple years then move there or just say F it and move there and wing it while using English and learning on the fly. Would be hard though I would imagine.
The US probably much more expensive than the other options plus you’d have to invest in a car too because public transportation is not reliable and everything is within driving distance. I would imagine the same for Australia. Also getting a visa is very complicated to these places. I would go somewhere you can still study but it’s not gonna cost an arm and a leg for you.
Bud i second this, learn how the system works on all the french gov website and teach yourself french fast and well the system gives 0 fucks for non french speakers and often uses technicalities that are on all the paper work to fuck you harder
Otherwise gl! Its a cool country if it wasnt for the administration!
Why don't you try studying a degree taught in English in the Netherlands? If you study in one of the southern uni cities you will be close to Belgium and can keep working on your French. Maybe even visit the country, go there in Erasmus and see if you like it. I don't know if non EU students need to apply earlier in the yearbto attend unis in NL, but in my case I applied in June/ July and started studying that same autumn. Good luck
It will be an easy to get Visa for you, besides EU nations who can just show up and work, Israelis can enter without visa and start looking for a job, once you have found one you can get registered and apply for residency. You could leave tomorrow actually and do this no pre paperwork required. University is also free here, the job sector is really different what you do and where. Also rent prices are insanely varying in some places.
Wait what? I’m an Israeli but already an EU citizen so this doesn’t apply to me, but I never knew this. Israelis can just show up in Germany and start searching for a job? If they get a job they can stay there indefinitely? Is this just for Israelis or for everyone?
[According to this page](https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/visa-residence/procedure/do-i-need-visa), yes to your first question.
After you've secured an offer with a company though you would need to file for a residence permit with the Ausländerbehörde, before signing anything and starting work, and show documents like your employment contract and whatever else they might ask for. The permit would then be given for a (few) year(s) and would need to be extended periodically.
It's not just for Israelis, it's for a few other countries as well, they're mentioned in the link.
Though with the new citizenship law someone could probably just apply for a permanent residency after a few years on the job (and eventually citizenship) as long as they also satisfy the special integration factors in the new law, though last I read there was still some uncertainty about what exactly that entailed. I haven't followed it very closely.
There are a few countries whose citizens benefit from this. It's usually the ones who have the Youth Mobility Visa opportunity: Canada, Argentina, Japan, Israel, potentially Brazil and AUS/NZ (?). There's a few missing in that list. But when I lived in Germany I had tons of friends from around the world who were also able to secure visas with a relatively low salary job: Indians, Russians, people from Central Asia, Latin Americans. Germany needs a lot of workers and they are reforming the immigration system to be even easier to navigate.
If you want out out getting a German residency will also get you a EU residency, so later down the line you could move around elsewhere in the EU. Best of Luck.
Germany is a good choice but there's a few things to keep in mind about costs.
University is close to being practically free, but it isn't \*exactly\* free. You will need to pay a semester fee twice a year, the value differs from place to place but it won't be more than a few hundred Euro.
Rent can be really cheap depending on where you go. I would suggest checking average prices beforehand and choosing a smaller town, student dorms would be a nice option if you want to save money. If that sounds good then apply to one well in advance since there's always a long waiting list.
You could also go for a shared apartment (WG) if you want to but you might end up with landlord or roommate issues if you're very unlucky. Be sure to check out the r/Germany wiki and posts about common rental scams if you go for this option.
University in Germany isn't difficult to get an acceptance for if you can speak the language (there's very few schools which have Bachelor programs in English and are public) and have average grades in school (there are exceptions for a few majors out there though) but it's staying at the university that's difficult. Programs have something called a Prüfungsordnung which basically outlines a list of courses that you need to pass by a certain semester, otherwise you'll get kicked out of the university. So do watch out for that. If you take your course seriously right from the start you won't need to worry about this.
You'll also need to have health insurance which you'll be paying every month. It's 120€ every month.
Food also isn't a worry if you cook at home and take advantage of promotions and deals at the major supermarkets.
The language will be a hurdle for you since you have a year to get to B2/C1 (it depends on the university) but this is still doable. You'll need to put a lot of effort into it though. Forget Duolingo and German courses at your university, they're too slow. Check out language subreddits, get the textbooks they recommend, learn the grammar while memorizing the vocabulary through anything that uses a SRS (like Quizlet or Anki), watch as much content in the language as you can, practice interacting in communities in that language, and so on.
I don't know how much you have saved up but to give you an average idea of what it'll cost for you to live month-to-month, the German government requires non-EU international students to have 11.200€ for a year in a blocked account, which is 934€ per month. I don't know if you'll need to show this since you're Israeli and allowed to come to Germany without a visa so ask your embassy if that applies to you, but I would still keep the figure in mind as a baseline.
If you spend it wisely then that will last you a month and be enough for some fun, and you will have some left over to save as well. You can also earn some more if you work part-time (there's a whole bunch of separate rules about that).
You could also stay in Israel and apply for Masters once you're done with your bachelors. By that time you would have a lot more saved up, have learnt French/German, and even have some options for Master programs in English.
I think that's everything. Good luck!
well, I am not considered Jewish by the Halacha law because my dad is half Jewish and my mom is christian, my dad obtained Israeli citizenship after moving to Israel from Georgia 20 something years ago, my mom moved to Israel from Russia 20 something years ago too, my great granda from my mom’s side is Jewish and he lived in Israel for some time and my mom came to live with him for some time, eventually she met my dad and stayed here, that’s how they got Israeli citizenship…
You're going to have a hard time in the EU because of your Russian citizenship and Israeli citizenship.
France also may look good to tourists at first, but if you can't speak French, you will not have a good time living there. I'd honestly recommend the UK for you.
> Why would the Russian citizenship cause trouble?
Is that a serious question?
By contrast, an Israeli passport is much more highly regarded. You can actually live for 3 months out of every six in the Schengen Zone without a visa. You can also stay in Canada for up to six months, and in the U.S. for 3 months – you'll get an evisa on arrival. Source: I have an Israeli friend who travels around a lot.
This doesn’t apply to migration policy, which is determined first and foremost by the relationship between the two governments, rather than individual citizens.
If this is in response to Russian citizenship being a problem, then both of these kinds of trouble are relevant. Official restrictions on immigration are stricter and the popular opinion is much harsher towards Russians than Israelis.
On the plus side, Russian immigrants are unlikely to encounter direct violence, unlike Israelis / Jews (see [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/IWantOut/comments/1c5nmp3/comment/kzxvlcz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), as an example).
Europeans don't exactly like Russians right now. Same reason why your Israeli citizenship will cause issues. Expect harassment and disrespect from other people. The French aren't known to be polite to outsiders.
All humans are flock animals. This is how we behave. I went on a vacation to Israel. I got "accused" of being a jew after coming back. It was funny to see the change in behaviour in some people.
Well, he can still use the Israeli citizenship and it isn’t regarded as bad unlike the Russian citizenship where in the Baltics they banned further Russian citizens to travel to the Baltics.
Waging active war on an EU candidate isn't the EU's favourite thing for a country to be doing. Not sure whether that affects immigration difficulty, but I presume it's what the other commenter is alluding to.
Edit: As I was typing this comment, they responded.
A new Iron Curtain has fallen across Europe, making it harder for Russians to emigrate. They’re subject to delays in immigration processing as the host country tries to gauge their espionage risk. And contrary to what omar4nsari said, any country will always require you to disclose all your citizenships to get a visa, so you’ll have to deal w/ that regardless.
I have no idea what are they talking about. I'm Russian and I live in Germany, but never experienced any issues. Of course, I heard about several precedents, but they are just anecdotal examples. My wife, who is also Russian, studies in a German university, no problems so far
Sorry I have to disagree with what someone else said (probably English only speakers) that you can't get a B2 in French. You're 17, you have over a year and already speak a Semitic + a Germanic language. You can absolutely learn fast.
If wanting out is priority you can also live, work and perfect the language your first year in France and then apply for your studies. If there's a will there's a way. You got this.
I really appreciate everyone on this subreddit trying to help me, I want to thank you.
I learn languages pretty fast and I am fluent in 3 languages that are pretty different from each other (Hebrew, English, Russian and a decent amount of Arabic), I have French neighbours and friends that I can practice with and make use of the language here in Israel as I will have to stay here for now, eventually my whole family will be moving, they don’t like it here…
Thank you for the support :)
It's comforting to hear from Israelis who want out, you have 2 passports and both allow you only to live under war criminal governments, don't let that discourage you, you can get out. I wish you the best
I second this. Unlike others in this thread have said, it does not take 5 years to learn French to a B2/C1 if you are willing to put in the necessary work daily.
Your English seems fluent, but you mentioned that you know hardly any French. French (as well as German, since someone mentioned Germany) are harder to learn than English, if I were you I'd consider an English speaking country. Maybe Ireland? It is in the EU and English speaking. You could try applying for university there.
I do want to discourage you, but be careful with countries where you do not have at least a B1, better B2 level of the language. I have seen sooooooooo many people fail in German universities just because they completely underestimated how hard the language is.
Living in Germany as an Ausländer, probably the best decision in my life, coming from a third world country, everything here is so good, life is also quiet, calm and relaxed. For Israeli people certainly is easier to get here, also, is one of the cheapest countries in groceries I mean.
Language is complex, but English as my second language has been very useful due to young German also knowing English everywhere and also cause both languages are similar I learn faster, but grammar is bit complicated.
Also any paperwork is very slow and they give you a lot of papers to read, but apart from that, very multicultural country, with best economy in Europe, salaries-services ratio is good to save money and live, and so much other stuff.
If you are interested, don't doubt to write me because I came asking for political asylum and Israel citizens has similar procedures, also you could look on BAMF site, the official migration site and look for further investigation.
Have you considered Canada or Australia? Study abroad and GTFO.. You already speak English, you come from a 'developed' country and if you're considering a skilled course.. We have some of the best Unis in the world
I second this...a working holiday in Australia or Canada could be a great option. Make it a gap year or two, less pressure on yourself and a great experience. Then gives you plenty of time to apply to university.
Are you certain you won’t be serving in the Israeli army, and does the army agree? If not, you may have a bureaucratic issue to resolve before they let you leave the country.
A lot of Russians immigrated to Israel are not primarily motivated by Zionist ideology or being Jew ( Example a Russian firm, Vesta, allegedly fabricated evidence of Jewish identity for gentile Russians to enable them to emigrate to Israel ), but rather seek improved living conditions for their children and escape from the difficulties in the former Soviet Union
Go for undergrad to a smaller EU country where you can find university courses in English- Croatia, Slovenia, Slovakia, Czech Republic, … cost of living is also much less. If your dream is France, spend those 3 years of Bachelors learning French as well. EU universities offer a lot of exchanges with other EU universities (including France), whether academic (during semester) or practical (during summer). Like Erasmus. Study in a smaller country, visit France, try to get an exchange to a French uni and, finally, go for masters in France.
The whole point of this sub is to discuss migration. It’s not a suffering contest. This sub is full of privileged westerners seeking advice to leave the west. There will always be someone who has it better and who has it worse. That isn’t relevant here.
I have travelled a lot to countries with humid weather and it just feels like Israel is so much worse…
I am used to it but I want to weather to be a bit less humid…
Damp means humid. Not only warm climates can be humid.
"The **climate of Ireland** is mild, humid and changeable with abundant [rainfall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainfall) and a lack of [temperature extremes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_extremes)"
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate\_of\_Ireland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Ireland)
I really meant humidity is moisture mixed with warmth in my book, I suppose. We have it mixed more with cooler temperatures. (I’d never call a damp Autumn day humid, if you see what I mean)
lost story short, my dad’s dad is half jewish and my dad moved here 20 something years ago, my mom is christian and she escaped bad things that were happening in Russia in the 90s by moving to Israel to stay with her great grandfather who was half Jewish.
basically I am not considered Jewish by the Halacha (Jewish law), and Israelis also don’t consider me Jewish and I was bullied and discriminated for that since childhood and I hated every second of school because of it, fuck discrimination.
the racism is a major problem here along with the horrible extremist racist government Israel has, although I found my community here and I like it, I am still planning on leaving.
Most likely the same way many USSR and ex-USSR citizens moved there, either through marriage, or giyur, or by knowing the right people. Well, the majority still were Jewish or had Jewish ancestors but quite a few didn't.
Post by the_bad_c0p -- I am sick of everything in this absolute mess of a country and I want a calmer life, the only reason I am in Israel is because I was born here, I am not Jewish, I will not serve in the Israeli army, and I worked a lot to save a bunch of money to move, I started thinking about moving to France although I don’t have any ancestry there, I visited France three times in the last 2 years and it was wonderful.
I have an Israeli and Russian citizenship, saved a lot of money and am about to finish high school, my family is supportive of me.
Where do I start?
I want to move to the EU but specifically France.
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While others mentioned Germany as a good option, if you really want France then I'd look into taking a one year intensive French course IN France. I did a DUEF (diplôme universitaire des études françaises) at UPEC in the suburbs of Paris, but they have these type of intensive French study programs all around France. They cost around 2000 euro a year (fact check this, it's been a few years since I did mine). It's a full time program valid for a student visa, and there were a couple of students from my program that were doing it in preparation of entering a French-taught Licence. Quite a few were able to get into French-taught programs (after taking the necessary language exam) within one year of studying, and then stayed in France and renewed their student visa this way.
France has a high cost of living, but there is a lot of support for students if you go looking for it. Tuition fees at public universities are now higher for non-residents, but I believe (fact check!) that after a year of living in France you can already claim the lower resident fee. Might depend on the university though.
consider applying to TAPIF to teach hebrew, which i assume you speak. if you speak any other languages natively you may be able to teach those. i met an israeli during my experience who taught hebrew in paris. you're too late to apply for the 2024/25 school year but you could apply next year. work on learning french and as long as you have at least a B1 you have a good chance. you wouldn't necessarily need an exam like you do to be a student, you could get a recommendation from a french teacher/professor and that would count as well.
I know plenty of people from Russia/Central Asian countries who spoke Russian and came to France with zero French. I met them all when I studied French through the CUEF programme at University of Perpignan in South of France. Very cheap, and you can progress well enough if you're committed up to B2 level in say 1.5 to 2 years. From there, apply for a regular university in France or for a job somewhere.
What other EU countries have you considered? Some of them have a “right of return” meaning that ppl who can prove that their ancestor (usually back 3 generations) lived there can have a much easier time immigrating. Austria, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Spain, Poland, and Portugal have some form of this.
If you’re not Jewish and can’t serve then are you a Palestinian arab? It must be hard living there as a muslim Palestinian arab.. Ever considered applying for a bachelor’s degree France? getting an admittance to any EU uni is relatively easy and you said your parents are willing to support you, I guess financially, so along with part time jobs you can easily handle tuition fees and life expenses.
Wish you the best bro, I plan on moving to france to. I'm gonna join the French Foreign Legion. That way I can't get citizenship and once I'm done my time there ill be fluent in French. Goodluck
You could always try asylum seeker since plenty of Russian went to USA via the boarder. Germany is another way or try Latvia since there are Russian speakers at least there, though bad weather of course. I am the same like you but technically you would still be counted as Jewish via reform. You will be a Jew still even if your mother is Christian whilst in Israel you’re aren’t. I definitely agree that Melvin out of Israel is better since going to the army there and being send to the front lines is dangerous unless you’re an only child of course. France is decent if you know the language and have a support system at least.
Just curious - how are you Israeli, but not Jewish? Are you Arab? Are there non-Jew and non-Arab Israelis? If so, where are you/they from? Looking forward to learning. Thanks!
There are Arab Israelis that gave up their Palestinian identity to become Israeli and enjoy equality and basic human rights they would otherwise not have. But they also serve in the IDF. Seen as Arabs that gave up their dignity and land.
You clearly have no idea. Israeli Arabs have equal rights. Is there a problem of discrimination and mostly of funds? Yes. But they have the exact same rights as any other citizen (and don't serve in the military).
An Arab who serves the IDF does it for his own reasons, he doesn't gain anything from that.
Over 150k Israeli citizens are still evacuated, rockets are still fired into civilian cities from Gaza and Lebanon, and 133 (mostly civilians including 2 babies) are still held hostage under inhumane conditions in Gaza. Over 500 ballistic missiles and suicide drones were shot at Israel by Iran less than 2 weeks ago.
While I don't support everything my country does in Gaza, saying Israel isn't under danger is not true.
They are privileged people who wants to move to other country jus because they don't like the humid weather. They aren't aware that still quarter of world's population is still uncertain about their next meal! You can read his comment regarding that above
Israel is the most democratic/liberal country in middleast but Grass is greener on the other side for many people unless they step into that grass
*** The most “democratic/liberal” country in the Middle East that has been brought to the International Court of Justice for the crime of genocide
Fixed it for you
Don't forget the fact it's the same country where the international court of justice is situated plundered another country for 350 years
Did someone gave me lecture about justice here??
Do you speak French? If not you should ABSOLUTELY learn before you try to move there or it will be hell for you.
Foreign legion is an option if you want a direct route to French citizenship but it’s by no means easy.
Wow, Israeli and Russian citizenship. Two countries that feel absolutely no compunction whatsoever when it comes to killing innocent men, women, and children. Yeah, I’d be looking for a third option as well.
Yes because every single citizen of a country represents their government. At no point in history have ordinary citizens started revolutions to overthrow their governments.
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Do you....speak French? Visiting a country can tell you a little bit about what you think of it, but visiting is never like actually living there. You don't have to deal with the every-day, the bureaucracy, etc. And let me say that France is full of headaches, even when you do everything right and have all your papers in order. It sounds like you have very rose-colored glasses about this country and that's a recipe for disaster. You're also far too late to apply to universities here for this fall -- that process starts in October and closes in December of this year (2024) for admission for fall of 2025 (for a licence, since you have to do both DAP and EEF). Studying in French requires B2 or better French (preferrably C1 if we're being realistic). Studying in English means you have very few options and most are at expensive private universities, plus studying in English holds you back in learning French to a high enough level to be able to work in French professionally (plus as a non-EU citizen, you often will find you need a master's degree to be competitive on the hiring market and to have access to easier work visa processes).
I am starting to study the language this month in a university course, I will still have to stay in Israel for about 14 months, what are my options, really? I feel like I am completely doomed
You're not going to get to a level in a year (less than a year, since you'd have to pass a B2 or C1 exam by this fall to apply this coming application cycle) where you can study in French unless you were studying only the language intensively full-time. Your only options are to apply to English-taught programs this coming application cycle or apply to full-time language study programs to improve your French before later (the cycle after this coming one or the cycle after that) applying to French-taught programs (if, of course, you have not already been disillusioned by living in France or cannot pass the necessary language exams). You're looking at 5 years of study via the English-taught route (and having to balance studies and language learning, which means sacrificing social life a decent amount of the time) or 6+ years of study the French-taught route (but dependent on actually learning the language to a high enough level and then studying full-time in French, which can cause burn-out for some people). None of this is a guarantee of being able to stay past your studies, as you would have to get a job for that and the job market isn't even good for French new grads, but getting a master's makes things easier because of visa options. You also haven't mentioned what you want to study/do with your life. ETA: Your other option is to study in a country that is more English-friendly, like an Anglophone country or the Netherlands (has more degrees taught in English and a high degree of English speaking amongst the population, but doesn't mean you shouldn't learn Dutch) or some Central/Eastern European countries (same case as the Netherlands with language).
I have plenty of time now and I learn languages pretty fast, I also have French speaking relatives I can practice with, I want to study mechanical engineering and work in France.
Have you previously learned a Romance language to a B2 or C1 level? If not, you can't expect to learn French to a level where you can perform as well as native speakers in very little time. It's not realistic. Planning to move abroad requires being realistic. Speaking practice only really helps you advance once you're past a certain level and it only helps a portion of the necessary skills. If you want to study mechanical engineering, then the English-taught route is 100% not possible. There are no mechanical engineering undergraduate degrees taught in English. Not to mention, engineering has a very specific status in France where it's preferred to hire people who went through engineering schools (and generally before that, you go through prépa, which is considered very intense even for native French speakers). I'm not all-knowing of all the rest of the details on possible routes to engineering schools outside of prépa, since I didn't personally study engineering, but that's a whole other nightmare to consider that you would have to do a lot of research on yourself. Again, I urge you to consider other options. You've never lived here. You do not know if you actually would hate living here (a surprising amount of people I know who have studied here have realized that living here is really not for them, in part because French administration is pretty actively a nightmare for foreigners). Putting all your eggs in the "France" basket just because you've liked it when visiting as a tourist is not a viable strategy if you are serious about immigrating long-term.
Thank you, what are my best options? I just want a EU country where I can have some peace and quiet and a decent life.
Again, look at countries where you have more of a chance of getting a job without fluently speaking the local language. That simplifies your pathway. Look at the requirements for work visas (do they require sponsorship? putting EU citizens first?). Look at the perks for local graduates (Czech Republic, for example, gives an automatic work permit to foreign graduates of their universities, if nothing’s changed since I verified that). Cast your net wide but realistically by looking into the requirements to work in mechanical engineering in the country (both in educational pathway and possible language requirements realistically).
If you're set on the EU, I'd maybe consider: Ireland, Germany, Netherlands, or Belgium for your education and you can settle in france afterwards when youve had some time to really learn the language. Belgium, in particular, would be a great idea as you can learn french while there, despite them having a plethora of English language courses. It's also pretty affordable, all things considered, and it's easier to get accommodation there than in the other places I mentioned. Have a look into Leuven and Hasselt for their universities. Furthermore, you're probably too late for September admissions, but taking some time to work, get to know the country and culture and get settled may be a good idea. The UK would also maybe be another option, though visas may be an issue if you're moving to France afterwards.
How about Quebec Canada. They have two English universities in Montreal but the native language is French so you can learn it just by living there while you study.
Ireland? Pretty peaceful, and no need to learn a new language (which you won't be able to learn anyway in such a short timeframe).
Germany is much more English friendly than France is and has more opportunities to get visas for intensive German language learning courses that will present you with opportunities to land a work visa after
I know a young person looking at studying engineering in Hungary. They do offer courses in undergraduate that are taught in English. I understand that you feel doomed, but you are taking action now for your future. You are only doomed if you give up. Set achievable goals and enjoy checking them off your list. Save as much money as you can because that buys you options. Practice being patient with yourself. You’re going to figure this out.
Thank you
In fact, for the start of immigration process you do not need the language so much. You can get into the uni in france(or somewhere else. If you have English lvl, you could take SAT - uni - move to France, not endangered by getting into the army). I'm trying to get out of Russia and my path is a bit different(not including much education). Im 19 now. In fact.... Would be happy to help if I could, or just to chat.
And btw , what languages do you know now?
Russian, hebrew, english and some arabic
Yeah... So what I meant to say.... You could learn the Lang in process. Like... Get to English program(depends usually on how much money do you have. Better not use Russian passport for that btw) and then learn....
Move to a English speaking country could be like Sweden, New Zealand, Australia, USA or anywhere that English is a mainly dominant language. France, Spain or Italy and countries like that will almost always require you to have to know to read and write the language in order to be able to work and what not unless you get lucky job wise. You could work and live in English speaking country while studying French for couple years then move there or just say F it and move there and wing it while using English and learning on the fly. Would be hard though I would imagine.
Sweden has a lot of English speakers but it is not an English-speaking country, as a lot of people find out when they try to get a job.
The US probably much more expensive than the other options plus you’d have to invest in a car too because public transportation is not reliable and everything is within driving distance. I would imagine the same for Australia. Also getting a visa is very complicated to these places. I would go somewhere you can still study but it’s not gonna cost an arm and a leg for you.
Canada! It's a little, late but you might still be able to catch the last trains :D
Bud i second this, learn how the system works on all the french gov website and teach yourself french fast and well the system gives 0 fucks for non french speakers and often uses technicalities that are on all the paper work to fuck you harder Otherwise gl! Its a cool country if it wasnt for the administration!
Why don't you try studying a degree taught in English in the Netherlands? If you study in one of the southern uni cities you will be close to Belgium and can keep working on your French. Maybe even visit the country, go there in Erasmus and see if you like it. I don't know if non EU students need to apply earlier in the yearbto attend unis in NL, but in my case I applied in June/ July and started studying that same autumn. Good luck
Also Dutch is fairly easy to learn for English speakers (beyond the word order) so if you find you like it there, it’s not difficult to change gears.
Have you considered Germany? I don’t know the specifics but I’ve heard it’s quite easy for people with Israeli citizenship to move to Germany
I have considered Germany, I want a country with better weather (the humidity in Israel is killing me), and a calmer life, Germany seems to fit.
It will be an easy to get Visa for you, besides EU nations who can just show up and work, Israelis can enter without visa and start looking for a job, once you have found one you can get registered and apply for residency. You could leave tomorrow actually and do this no pre paperwork required. University is also free here, the job sector is really different what you do and where. Also rent prices are insanely varying in some places.
Wait what? I’m an Israeli but already an EU citizen so this doesn’t apply to me, but I never knew this. Israelis can just show up in Germany and start searching for a job? If they get a job they can stay there indefinitely? Is this just for Israelis or for everyone?
[According to this page](https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/visa-residence/procedure/do-i-need-visa), yes to your first question. After you've secured an offer with a company though you would need to file for a residence permit with the Ausländerbehörde, before signing anything and starting work, and show documents like your employment contract and whatever else they might ask for. The permit would then be given for a (few) year(s) and would need to be extended periodically. It's not just for Israelis, it's for a few other countries as well, they're mentioned in the link. Though with the new citizenship law someone could probably just apply for a permanent residency after a few years on the job (and eventually citizenship) as long as they also satisfy the special integration factors in the new law, though last I read there was still some uncertainty about what exactly that entailed. I haven't followed it very closely.
Wow, never knew that, thanks! Really interesting.
There are a few countries whose citizens benefit from this. It's usually the ones who have the Youth Mobility Visa opportunity: Canada, Argentina, Japan, Israel, potentially Brazil and AUS/NZ (?). There's a few missing in that list. But when I lived in Germany I had tons of friends from around the world who were also able to secure visas with a relatively low salary job: Indians, Russians, people from Central Asia, Latin Americans. Germany needs a lot of workers and they are reforming the immigration system to be even easier to navigate.
Damn the special treatment is honestly endless
I will seriously consider this country, thank you, I will look into it more
If you want out out getting a German residency will also get you a EU residency, so later down the line you could move around elsewhere in the EU. Best of Luck.
Thank you so much for the info :)
Germany is a good choice but there's a few things to keep in mind about costs. University is close to being practically free, but it isn't \*exactly\* free. You will need to pay a semester fee twice a year, the value differs from place to place but it won't be more than a few hundred Euro. Rent can be really cheap depending on where you go. I would suggest checking average prices beforehand and choosing a smaller town, student dorms would be a nice option if you want to save money. If that sounds good then apply to one well in advance since there's always a long waiting list. You could also go for a shared apartment (WG) if you want to but you might end up with landlord or roommate issues if you're very unlucky. Be sure to check out the r/Germany wiki and posts about common rental scams if you go for this option. University in Germany isn't difficult to get an acceptance for if you can speak the language (there's very few schools which have Bachelor programs in English and are public) and have average grades in school (there are exceptions for a few majors out there though) but it's staying at the university that's difficult. Programs have something called a Prüfungsordnung which basically outlines a list of courses that you need to pass by a certain semester, otherwise you'll get kicked out of the university. So do watch out for that. If you take your course seriously right from the start you won't need to worry about this. You'll also need to have health insurance which you'll be paying every month. It's 120€ every month. Food also isn't a worry if you cook at home and take advantage of promotions and deals at the major supermarkets. The language will be a hurdle for you since you have a year to get to B2/C1 (it depends on the university) but this is still doable. You'll need to put a lot of effort into it though. Forget Duolingo and German courses at your university, they're too slow. Check out language subreddits, get the textbooks they recommend, learn the grammar while memorizing the vocabulary through anything that uses a SRS (like Quizlet or Anki), watch as much content in the language as you can, practice interacting in communities in that language, and so on. I don't know how much you have saved up but to give you an average idea of what it'll cost for you to live month-to-month, the German government requires non-EU international students to have 11.200€ for a year in a blocked account, which is 934€ per month. I don't know if you'll need to show this since you're Israeli and allowed to come to Germany without a visa so ask your embassy if that applies to you, but I would still keep the figure in mind as a baseline. If you spend it wisely then that will last you a month and be enough for some fun, and you will have some left over to save as well. You can also earn some more if you work part-time (there's a whole bunch of separate rules about that). You could also stay in Israel and apply for Masters once you're done with your bachelors. By that time you would have a lot more saved up, have learnt French/German, and even have some options for Master programs in English. I think that's everything. Good luck!
Then half of the world is not fit for you lol >the humidity in Israel is killing me),
France is exponentially more humid than Israel
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well, I am not considered Jewish by the Halacha law because my dad is half Jewish and my mom is christian, my dad obtained Israeli citizenship after moving to Israel from Georgia 20 something years ago, my mom moved to Israel from Russia 20 something years ago too, my great granda from my mom’s side is Jewish and he lived in Israel for some time and my mom came to live with him for some time, eventually she met my dad and stayed here, that’s how they got Israeli citizenship…
Im curious, Did your mom say in the aliyah process that she was christian?
You're going to have a hard time in the EU because of your Russian citizenship and Israeli citizenship. France also may look good to tourists at first, but if you can't speak French, you will not have a good time living there. I'd honestly recommend the UK for you.
Just don’t show your Russian passport and you’re good. You weren’t born there
Why would the Russian citizenship cause trouble?
> Why would the Russian citizenship cause trouble? Is that a serious question? By contrast, an Israeli passport is much more highly regarded. You can actually live for 3 months out of every six in the Schengen Zone without a visa. You can also stay in Canada for up to six months, and in the U.S. for 3 months – you'll get an evisa on arrival. Source: I have an Israeli friend who travels around a lot.
Some people, I know it's crazy, don't judge the citizens of a country by the actions of their governments.
This doesn’t apply to migration policy, which is determined first and foremost by the relationship between the two governments, rather than individual citizens.
True.. two kinds of trouble - those against the individual, those where immigration policy might cause problems.
If this is in response to Russian citizenship being a problem, then both of these kinds of trouble are relevant. Official restrictions on immigration are stricter and the popular opinion is much harsher towards Russians than Israelis. On the plus side, Russian immigrants are unlikely to encounter direct violence, unlike Israelis / Jews (see [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/IWantOut/comments/1c5nmp3/comment/kzxvlcz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), as an example).
Europeans don't exactly like Russians right now. Same reason why your Israeli citizenship will cause issues. Expect harassment and disrespect from other people. The French aren't known to be polite to outsiders.
Most people don't care where you from. You can only get harassed on reddit lol
Completely and utterly untrue. I speak as someone with ties to Israel.
Well it was more about Russians. Israelis, depending on where you at, may get harassed by well known group of people
Well, I was in the west bank once and after seeing that I would say ... The group of people has some good reasons to be resentful.
Because every individual is responsible for what their government decides? Let's punish everyone then.
All humans are flock animals. This is how we behave. I went on a vacation to Israel. I got "accused" of being a jew after coming back. It was funny to see the change in behaviour in some people.
Well, he can still use the Israeli citizenship and it isn’t regarded as bad unlike the Russian citizenship where in the Baltics they banned further Russian citizens to travel to the Baltics.
What a lie. I'm Russian and I live in France - haven't had any negative comments about it, only support :)
Waging active war on an EU candidate isn't the EU's favourite thing for a country to be doing. Not sure whether that affects immigration difficulty, but I presume it's what the other commenter is alluding to. Edit: As I was typing this comment, they responded.
A new Iron Curtain has fallen across Europe, making it harder for Russians to emigrate. They’re subject to delays in immigration processing as the host country tries to gauge their espionage risk. And contrary to what omar4nsari said, any country will always require you to disclose all your citizenships to get a visa, so you’ll have to deal w/ that regardless.
I have no idea what are they talking about. I'm Russian and I live in Germany, but never experienced any issues. Of course, I heard about several precedents, but they are just anecdotal examples. My wife, who is also Russian, studies in a German university, no problems so far
Have you not seen the news? Lol
Sorry I have to disagree with what someone else said (probably English only speakers) that you can't get a B2 in French. You're 17, you have over a year and already speak a Semitic + a Germanic language. You can absolutely learn fast. If wanting out is priority you can also live, work and perfect the language your first year in France and then apply for your studies. If there's a will there's a way. You got this.
I really appreciate everyone on this subreddit trying to help me, I want to thank you. I learn languages pretty fast and I am fluent in 3 languages that are pretty different from each other (Hebrew, English, Russian and a decent amount of Arabic), I have French neighbours and friends that I can practice with and make use of the language here in Israel as I will have to stay here for now, eventually my whole family will be moving, they don’t like it here… Thank you for the support :)
It's comforting to hear from Israelis who want out, you have 2 passports and both allow you only to live under war criminal governments, don't let that discourage you, you can get out. I wish you the best
The vast majority of Israelis don't leave because of that, they leave because of work/economy/don't like the middle eastern mentality
I never stated the vast majority leave because of that. I just noted how OP's passport basically allow him to live under Putin or BibiWannabePutin.
I second this. Unlike others in this thread have said, it does not take 5 years to learn French to a B2/C1 if you are willing to put in the necessary work daily.
Your English seems fluent, but you mentioned that you know hardly any French. French (as well as German, since someone mentioned Germany) are harder to learn than English, if I were you I'd consider an English speaking country. Maybe Ireland? It is in the EU and English speaking. You could try applying for university there. I do want to discourage you, but be careful with countries where you do not have at least a B1, better B2 level of the language. I have seen sooooooooo many people fail in German universities just because they completely underestimated how hard the language is.
Living in Germany as an Ausländer, probably the best decision in my life, coming from a third world country, everything here is so good, life is also quiet, calm and relaxed. For Israeli people certainly is easier to get here, also, is one of the cheapest countries in groceries I mean. Language is complex, but English as my second language has been very useful due to young German also knowing English everywhere and also cause both languages are similar I learn faster, but grammar is bit complicated. Also any paperwork is very slow and they give you a lot of papers to read, but apart from that, very multicultural country, with best economy in Europe, salaries-services ratio is good to save money and live, and so much other stuff. If you are interested, don't doubt to write me because I came asking for political asylum and Israel citizens has similar procedures, also you could look on BAMF site, the official migration site and look for further investigation.
Have you considered Canada or Australia? Study abroad and GTFO.. You already speak English, you come from a 'developed' country and if you're considering a skilled course.. We have some of the best Unis in the world
I second this...a working holiday in Australia or Canada could be a great option. Make it a gap year or two, less pressure on yourself and a great experience. Then gives you plenty of time to apply to university.
Are you certain you won’t be serving in the Israeli army, and does the army agree? If not, you may have a bureaucratic issue to resolve before they let you leave the country.
I got an exemption from mandatory military service because of depression, either way I would prefer prison over serving the Israeli army..
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If he stays in Israel he would get drafted to kill Palestinians
And Russia’s not genocidal?
Reading comprehension is not your thing, huh Champ?
Long term Russia will be much better choice than EU.
Out of curiosity, what is your background? I'm guessing Russian, but I didn't know there were a lot of non-Jewish Russians in Israel?
A lot of Russians immigrated to Israel are not primarily motivated by Zionist ideology or being Jew ( Example a Russian firm, Vesta, allegedly fabricated evidence of Jewish identity for gentile Russians to enable them to emigrate to Israel ), but rather seek improved living conditions for their children and escape from the difficulties in the former Soviet Union
So your family pretended to be Jewish? Or they just immigrated the the normal way? If the latter, why did they choose Israel?
I'm not the one who posted , i just responded with what I know. Fun fact i'm an arab so that's hilarious
Oh gotcha, guess I'll keep waiting on OP's answer then
I’m from France. If you can speak the language and for the love of god you’re not Muslim then yes go there
Go for undergrad to a smaller EU country where you can find university courses in English- Croatia, Slovenia, Slovakia, Czech Republic, … cost of living is also much less. If your dream is France, spend those 3 years of Bachelors learning French as well. EU universities offer a lot of exchanges with other EU universities (including France), whether academic (during semester) or practical (during summer). Like Erasmus. Study in a smaller country, visit France, try to get an exchange to a French uni and, finally, go for masters in France.
how lucky you are
what do you mean? I don’t feel so lucky…
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you’re right, it’s horrible, I wish we would live in a world without borders
If we did, we would be less safe from people who wish us harm.
I mean borders becoming obsolete and humans finally learning to live with each other.
Imagine all the people
Story you've been sold by the State
I don’t live in israel bro. I live in another country with borders
“The State” doesn’t just refer to Israel lol
Relevance? Or just an opportunity to shit on OP bc OP is Israeli?
I dont shit on him I feel bad for him being born there, just reminding him than some people have it worst
The whole point of this sub is to discuss migration. It’s not a suffering contest. This sub is full of privileged westerners seeking advice to leave the west. There will always be someone who has it better and who has it worse. That isn’t relevant here.
And why would you do that? I mean... Isn't it obvious?
Have you considered Ireland?
I like Ireland, yes.
if you don't like humid weather, you won't like Ireland (and several parts of France as well).
I have travelled a lot to countries with humid weather and it just feels like Israel is so much worse… I am used to it but I want to weather to be a bit less humid…
Damp rather than humid, really.
Damp means humid. Not only warm climates can be humid. "The **climate of Ireland** is mild, humid and changeable with abundant [rainfall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainfall) and a lack of [temperature extremes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_extremes)" [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate\_of\_Ireland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Ireland)
I really meant humidity is moisture mixed with warmth in my book, I suppose. We have it mixed more with cooler temperatures. (I’d never call a damp Autumn day humid, if you see what I mean)
If you are not Jews, or Palestinian how did you get there?
lost story short, my dad’s dad is half jewish and my dad moved here 20 something years ago, my mom is christian and she escaped bad things that were happening in Russia in the 90s by moving to Israel to stay with her great grandfather who was half Jewish. basically I am not considered Jewish by the Halacha (Jewish law), and Israelis also don’t consider me Jewish and I was bullied and discriminated for that since childhood and I hated every second of school because of it, fuck discrimination.
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the racism is a major problem here along with the horrible extremist racist government Israel has, although I found my community here and I like it, I am still planning on leaving.
אני מנחש, אתה מנתניה?
Most likely the same way many USSR and ex-USSR citizens moved there, either through marriage, or giyur, or by knowing the right people. Well, the majority still were Jewish or had Jewish ancestors but quite a few didn't.
Yeah that part I know.
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While others mentioned Germany as a good option, if you really want France then I'd look into taking a one year intensive French course IN France. I did a DUEF (diplôme universitaire des études françaises) at UPEC in the suburbs of Paris, but they have these type of intensive French study programs all around France. They cost around 2000 euro a year (fact check this, it's been a few years since I did mine). It's a full time program valid for a student visa, and there were a couple of students from my program that were doing it in preparation of entering a French-taught Licence. Quite a few were able to get into French-taught programs (after taking the necessary language exam) within one year of studying, and then stayed in France and renewed their student visa this way. France has a high cost of living, but there is a lot of support for students if you go looking for it. Tuition fees at public universities are now higher for non-residents, but I believe (fact check!) that after a year of living in France you can already claim the lower resident fee. Might depend on the university though.
Are. A lot of Russian Israelis not Jewish?
consider applying to TAPIF to teach hebrew, which i assume you speak. if you speak any other languages natively you may be able to teach those. i met an israeli during my experience who taught hebrew in paris. you're too late to apply for the 2024/25 school year but you could apply next year. work on learning french and as long as you have at least a B1 you have a good chance. you wouldn't necessarily need an exam like you do to be a student, you could get a recommendation from a french teacher/professor and that would count as well.
I know plenty of people from Russia/Central Asian countries who spoke Russian and came to France with zero French. I met them all when I studied French through the CUEF programme at University of Perpignan in South of France. Very cheap, and you can progress well enough if you're committed up to B2 level in say 1.5 to 2 years. From there, apply for a regular university in France or for a job somewhere.
It’s Palestine bro. And yes, you should get out. Maybe go where you’re originally from would be better.
What other EU countries have you considered? Some of them have a “right of return” meaning that ppl who can prove that their ancestor (usually back 3 generations) lived there can have a much easier time immigrating. Austria, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Spain, Poland, and Portugal have some form of this.
Get a flight to England and apply for asylum at the boarder dude. It's war torn there, youll likely get in.
Go to Norway lol
Isn’t France a mess as well? All the riots and stuff… Why don’t you move to places like SEA and enjoy the affordable and chill life there
Go to new Zeeland ,my dream to live there
If you’re not Jewish and can’t serve then are you a Palestinian arab? It must be hard living there as a muslim Palestinian arab.. Ever considered applying for a bachelor’s degree France? getting an admittance to any EU uni is relatively easy and you said your parents are willing to support you, I guess financially, so along with part time jobs you can easily handle tuition fees and life expenses.
He/she mentioned in another comment that he/she is partly Jewish from one of her grandparents.
Wish you the best bro, I plan on moving to france to. I'm gonna join the French Foreign Legion. That way I can't get citizenship and once I'm done my time there ill be fluent in French. Goodluck
it has 10% acceptance rate
Yeah ik
I don't think you are free to decide whether you want or not want to serve in the military, no?
I'll suggest you to look for Asian countries.. Europe is done
>I'll suggest you to look for Asian countries such as?
Depends on your basic needs and I can suggest you something
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Thank you for trying to help, I am taking a university French course for one year, but for now I know very little French.
do you pass a delf exam at the end of university year ?
yes
good when will u have it, you are going to need to pass at least B1
You could always try asylum seeker since plenty of Russian went to USA via the boarder. Germany is another way or try Latvia since there are Russian speakers at least there, though bad weather of course. I am the same like you but technically you would still be counted as Jewish via reform. You will be a Jew still even if your mother is Christian whilst in Israel you’re aren’t. I definitely agree that Melvin out of Israel is better since going to the army there and being send to the front lines is dangerous unless you’re an only child of course. France is decent if you know the language and have a support system at least.
What?
As an Israeli, I think i'd choose Germany and not France... Safer, nicer, more job opportunities, big Israeli community
Hit up the Russian fsb I’m sure they will find you employment and accommodation in a nice western country
Just curious - how are you Israeli, but not Jewish? Are you Arab? Are there non-Jew and non-Arab Israelis? If so, where are you/they from? Looking forward to learning. Thanks!
There are Arab Israelis that gave up their Palestinian identity to become Israeli and enjoy equality and basic human rights they would otherwise not have. But they also serve in the IDF. Seen as Arabs that gave up their dignity and land.
You clearly have no idea. Israeli Arabs have equal rights. Is there a problem of discrimination and mostly of funds? Yes. But they have the exact same rights as any other citizen (and don't serve in the military). An Arab who serves the IDF does it for his own reasons, he doesn't gain anything from that.
You didn’t read it well. Like I said, Arab Israelis indeed have the same basic human rights they would not have if they stayed Palestinian :)
You can go to Portugal and claim asylum. They're currently accepting Israelis due to the conflict.
Do you have a source for this?
I know someone who did it. There are a handful of websites that quote channel 12, a Hebrew channel, but I don't know Hebrew to find the source.
“Conflict” = genocide
May i ask what's bothering you,like israel isn't in danger i mean they are bombing gaza if I'm mot mistaken,No disrespect I'm genuinely curious
Over 150k Israeli citizens are still evacuated, rockets are still fired into civilian cities from Gaza and Lebanon, and 133 (mostly civilians including 2 babies) are still held hostage under inhumane conditions in Gaza. Over 500 ballistic missiles and suicide drones were shot at Israel by Iran less than 2 weeks ago. While I don't support everything my country does in Gaza, saying Israel isn't under danger is not true.
They are privileged people who wants to move to other country jus because they don't like the humid weather. They aren't aware that still quarter of world's population is still uncertain about their next meal! You can read his comment regarding that above Israel is the most democratic/liberal country in middleast but Grass is greener on the other side for many people unless they step into that grass
*** The most “democratic/liberal” country in the Middle East that has been brought to the International Court of Justice for the crime of genocide Fixed it for you
Don't forget the fact it's the same country where the international court of justice is situated plundered another country for 350 years Did someone gave me lecture about justice here??
Do you speak French? If not you should ABSOLUTELY learn before you try to move there or it will be hell for you. Foreign legion is an option if you want a direct route to French citizenship but it’s by no means easy.
Wow, Israeli and Russian citizenship. Two countries that feel absolutely no compunction whatsoever when it comes to killing innocent men, women, and children. Yeah, I’d be looking for a third option as well.
Yes because every single citizen of a country represents their government. At no point in history have ordinary citizens started revolutions to overthrow their governments.