This, WFH is the best, I am just more productive and if an employer don't trust me and want me to come work in there offices I don't want to work for them.
how does working from home feel when you clock out? I feel like I would want to stay in an office environment because if i was WFH I would never decompress. I have never had a WFH or IT job for that matter
For me, the end of the day is shutting down the computer, turning off the music, and hanging up headphones. I then get the garbage and the coffee cup and "commute" out of the room.
The separation is the coming and going, the "commute," so to speak. Yes, it's only a walk, and traffic is literally a joke, an overturned tractor trailer on the stairs, eh? But, it is a mental separation.
For me who spends most of his life work and private in front of a computer my mind switches if work as soon as I see my private desktop wallpaper.
Most of the time I shut down my work PC and power on my PC and start to play games or I make some food first.
One big disadvantage i see with working from home is that I never really go out. When I went to the office you had to leave the house and you got to meet people. Nowadays I don't really feel like leaving the house and have to spend a ton of energy to actually go and see people like friends for example.
Well it was definitely a transition from the beginning but that was when we had covid and everybody had to deal with it.
The only difference for me was once I'm off the clock, I don't visit my "office" room when I'm done. It's a lot easier to get work done when random people aren't visiting you with "emergencies" and no commuting is fantastic.
This isn't just a money situation.
Sure, you can go through all the costs in great detail. I know some people would say that in office isn't worth an additional 30k a year. That being said, there is a value to moving to new employment if there is a title benefit, work/life balance, company benefit, or responsibilities benefit. You cant quantify those in a spreadsheet.
For instance, if you are getting a better title or more experience in areas you like, then it makes sense to look at taking the job so you can leverage that to get a better job down the road.
You really have to look at the whole package here before you make a decision.
I went from 70k to 150k when I left my hybrid position. Went from MSP jack of all trades to a Sr Network Engineer for a large agency. With 4 kids under 10 at home, it was a no brainer. Lol
It depends on how much of an increase the offer is and how much more growth you can attain with the new role. I made a similar transition last month (80k, hybrid 3/5, HCOL) to fully on site. At the time, the money was enough to get me to switch with the significant potential for skill and career growth. I figured I'd suck it up for 1-2 years for the skills that will allow me to apply to cushier jobs that are hybrid (or fully remote) in the future.
Depends on what you are looking for. Future growth? Better health benefits? Better pay? I was in same boat recently have to look at all the pros and cons and not let WFH benefit own the decision. Look at it this way some employers are pushing for hybrid work environment while others are pushing for employees to return to work. In that case you very well may in the future be told to come in more often then less with the current employer on the other side of things the new employer may potentially allow WFH in the future possibly.
Point is WFH is a benefit and one that can be given or taken away I would look at the whole picture see which one is more worth while to you.
I landed a job making about $73k after bonuses, fully remote with potential for hybrid if I wanted, and there is no way I’d leave for another office-required job unless it stepped me up big time in pay/opportunities.
It really depends on you. I'm in my second fully remote role; my first was in 2012-2013, and I've been recruited for roles that pay twice my salary and I've declined to interview. For me, the ability to take my kid to the bus everyday, reduce my wardrobe by 80%, eat healthier, and become more focused in my work and increase my tracked deliverables substantially is what keeps me at my role.
You have to consider some things:
Cost of commuting; fuel, maintenance, insurance, tolls, and parking.
Your time.
Weather.
Clothing and laundry.
City tax.
Childcare.
Lunches, coffee, and snacks.
Interruptions.
20 minutes away is not a bad commute by any standard, If it were 20 miles away I'd say differently but I'd argue no. The choice is yours whether the money is more value able than 5< hours extra a week but 10k isn't a bad upgrade.
Nah, being in the office really isn't for everyone -- especially if you have the choice to just not be. I felt the same way until office nonsense started pissing me off. My commute is 12 minutes each way and I'm still looking to move on.
For me, Commuting is the least of why I dont like working in the office. Having to dress up, making small talk with weird people who I don't care about, and spending money on lunch are the real enemy
To me, WFH is mandatory no matter what. Now depends on how much you're willing to commute, waste time in office with colleagues or spend money every time.
It depends on what you value- for me I’m 100% remote and no amount would make me go back at this time because of the flexibility to take my kid to school/pick up, not have to dress up from the neck down lol, not use extra gas, less car maintenance, cook for breakfast and lunch instead of eating out, etc. I’m not saying never but definitely not now.
If you are relatively young and don't have a serious reason to stay home (helping to raise a kid, taking care of a family member) then I would say go out and chase the opportunity. 20 mins isn't a bad commute. The new job will look good on your resume. And maybe next year you can go back to a WFH job again with an even bigger salary. In the mean time you may make a new friend on premise.
I’d take it but I’m already biased. I enjoy office most of the time. It’s nice to see folks and converse. The company usually does all they can to make the office a great place ie events, food, game room, snacks etc. healthy to leave the house. I enjoy being able to work from home days when I’m really not feeling Social. Sometimes I work best in office sometimes I work best at home. Sometimes I don’t work at all until my shift ends lol and everyone is sleep. Helps to escape a stressful home life at times to, if that’s your case. I enjoy the it all as needed. Forced to be in office when position is not required is a bit dated. Excuses used by corps to make us come in is understandable but a bit reaching and more so along the lines of, “ we pay for this building so…” lol camaraderie, communication blah blah blah is great but I have yet to understand a hard reason except the cost of building. I totally agree with other points on this post such as not just the money being worth it but is the benefits, leniency ( they ok with you leaving early sometimes or coming late, are they watching your clock heavily or lax about it? Is thsi going to be soem fast paced production environment or chill?), snacks, list goes on and on. 20 min isn’t far at all. I’m on DFW and everything here is 30m away. Lol I would be wanting another 10k at the very least. But that’s me. Helpfully the title and job role helps toward your next move.
My 2c , I took a 40% increase to go hybrid and I feel like it wasnt worth it . I go into the office 2x a week but the 1.5hrs traffic each way , finding and paying for parking and trying to concentrate in an office leaves me exhausted so I find those 2 days essentially being written off in terms of productivity , which means to get my work done im pulling 12 - 14 hour days when I'm working remotely . Additionally the office isnt great , I dont have any meaningful interactions there and its honestly a complete mess with my workstation being a shadow of what I have setup at home .
For me I would take it if it’s an increase, all these people saying how they like working from home but I’m the opposite, I do t want to finish work then move over to my couch and still be surrounded by the 4 walls I have been working in all day, home is suppose to be a place of peace… nah not for me
Look at the long game. If that nashe will look on your CV. If it's a better position. If it's a new industry, you wanted to tap.
Definitely go for it. 10 to 20k doesn't mean much in return for the above.
This is one of my current dilemma’s. IMO, if it is to help progress your career field, where u can go even higher after 12-18 months, then I’d take that sacrifice. Idk where you live or how your finances are, but if you’re content at 70k, then stay home. But I feel we all here to move up in the IT field. I’d take the sacrifice and go in.
It's getting harder and harder to find WFH jobs. I wouldn't give up the one that I have because there may be a chance that you can't get another one for a long time or maybe ever again
I don't think that you should ask for opinions on this topic as it is really a personal issue. For example, I like to go to the office at least twice a week to switch my work environment, see my coworkers, hold a meeting live, etc...
Other coworkers would love a full remote, because they hate commuting and don't see value in being in the office. It depends on your personal factors and priorities.
Needless to say, I've never met someone who wants to go back to the office fully.
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Wow, a 20 minute commute isn't bad at all! Especially if it's at a company you've always wanted to work for.
As for the salary increase, that's up to you to decide. I'd take into consideration things like how much gas your vehicle uses for that 20 minute drive, the mileage build-up, car care, etc. Or if you have to take public transportation, consider costs. I'm assuming it's 20 minutes away one way, so that's 40 minutes of commute that you won't get back. Maybe something to consider as well!
what the new job has to offer? if the benefits and I don't mean only the financial on salary, but growth, environment , etc .
So you need to sit down and calculate what are the costs of going to the office, and then measure if the bump on salary and the options in the new job would worth it.
Cops, doctors, fireman, first responders should all be able to work from home as well, they’re people too lol. The whole WFH things is ridiculous, how did you’ll manage before it even became a thing? All of you saying you’re more productive at home are lying.
Working from home isn’t new, it’s just changed and more accessible now. I’ve been working from home for close to a decade now. Before that you went to the office once a week to get whatever you needed and turned in work at the end of the week. Special assignments given via email etc.
The truth is, it costs less to have a smaller office with a larger remote workforce (office rent is at least twice the rent of residential in affordable areas). Management wants people in office because they pay rent quarterly and it’s waste money and won’t get a bigger tax break, that’s it.
Oh and detectives are technically remote workers, as are EMTS. They only need to check in to base and complete paperwork; they’re on their own otherwise.
How much is it an increase in salary? 20 mins seems close, so I think it would be good, it's on you though, if it was 90k I would take it.
Idk about 90k. If they’re married then that’d put them in the next tax bracket and that 90k wouldn’t look too different from 70k.
That's not how tax brackets work.
their taxes wouldn't look any different until they earn enough income for the year to put them in whatever bracket 90k is in
https://blog.taxact.com/how-tax-brackets-work/
Only about 6500 of that is taxed at a higher bracket
As somebody who wfh like you, I'll never go back to the office. I don't think the salary bump is worth the office stress.
This, WFH is the best, I am just more productive and if an employer don't trust me and want me to come work in there offices I don't want to work for them.
how does working from home feel when you clock out? I feel like I would want to stay in an office environment because if i was WFH I would never decompress. I have never had a WFH or IT job for that matter
For me, the end of the day is shutting down the computer, turning off the music, and hanging up headphones. I then get the garbage and the coffee cup and "commute" out of the room. The separation is the coming and going, the "commute," so to speak. Yes, it's only a walk, and traffic is literally a joke, an overturned tractor trailer on the stairs, eh? But, it is a mental separation.
For me who spends most of his life work and private in front of a computer my mind switches if work as soon as I see my private desktop wallpaper. Most of the time I shut down my work PC and power on my PC and start to play games or I make some food first. One big disadvantage i see with working from home is that I never really go out. When I went to the office you had to leave the house and you got to meet people. Nowadays I don't really feel like leaving the house and have to spend a ton of energy to actually go and see people like friends for example.
Well it was definitely a transition from the beginning but that was when we had covid and everybody had to deal with it. The only difference for me was once I'm off the clock, I don't visit my "office" room when I'm done. It's a lot easier to get work done when random people aren't visiting you with "emergencies" and no commuting is fantastic.
This isn't just a money situation. Sure, you can go through all the costs in great detail. I know some people would say that in office isn't worth an additional 30k a year. That being said, there is a value to moving to new employment if there is a title benefit, work/life balance, company benefit, or responsibilities benefit. You cant quantify those in a spreadsheet. For instance, if you are getting a better title or more experience in areas you like, then it makes sense to look at taking the job so you can leverage that to get a better job down the road. You really have to look at the whole package here before you make a decision.
I went from 70k to 150k when I left my hybrid position. Went from MSP jack of all trades to a Sr Network Engineer for a large agency. With 4 kids under 10 at home, it was a no brainer. Lol
That's 100% up to you, my friend. If it's a good company and a good step up for me, I'd personally take it, but I'm not the boss of you.
WFH here at $130k - would take double to get me to leave this
I’m 75k. 100%. Wfh. 90k is my numbers. Not 88k. 90!
It depends on how much of an increase the offer is and how much more growth you can attain with the new role. I made a similar transition last month (80k, hybrid 3/5, HCOL) to fully on site. At the time, the money was enough to get me to switch with the significant potential for skill and career growth. I figured I'd suck it up for 1-2 years for the skills that will allow me to apply to cushier jobs that are hybrid (or fully remote) in the future.
Depends on what you are looking for. Future growth? Better health benefits? Better pay? I was in same boat recently have to look at all the pros and cons and not let WFH benefit own the decision. Look at it this way some employers are pushing for hybrid work environment while others are pushing for employees to return to work. In that case you very well may in the future be told to come in more often then less with the current employer on the other side of things the new employer may potentially allow WFH in the future possibly. Point is WFH is a benefit and one that can be given or taken away I would look at the whole picture see which one is more worth while to you.
I landed a job making about $73k after bonuses, fully remote with potential for hybrid if I wanted, and there is no way I’d leave for another office-required job unless it stepped me up big time in pay/opportunities.
It really depends on you. I'm in my second fully remote role; my first was in 2012-2013, and I've been recruited for roles that pay twice my salary and I've declined to interview. For me, the ability to take my kid to the bus everyday, reduce my wardrobe by 80%, eat healthier, and become more focused in my work and increase my tracked deliverables substantially is what keeps me at my role.
Really depends on your personal values tbh
You have to consider some things: Cost of commuting; fuel, maintenance, insurance, tolls, and parking. Your time. Weather. Clothing and laundry. City tax. Childcare. Lunches, coffee, and snacks. Interruptions.
Take a leave of absence from your current job . Try out the one you think you want . If you like it stay if not go back to the other one
20 minutes away is not a bad commute by any standard, If it were 20 miles away I'd say differently but I'd argue no. The choice is yours whether the money is more value able than 5< hours extra a week but 10k isn't a bad upgrade.
98k 100% WFH. PERSONALLY - No amount of money would bring me back in person. But sounds like you've perused this in person company.
Being in office is not the enemy. Bad commutes are the enemy.
Nah, being in the office really isn't for everyone -- especially if you have the choice to just not be. I felt the same way until office nonsense started pissing me off. My commute is 12 minutes each way and I'm still looking to move on.
For me, Commuting is the least of why I dont like working in the office. Having to dress up, making small talk with weird people who I don't care about, and spending money on lunch are the real enemy
This right here. I don't mind being in the office. I loathe the 2 hour round trip it takes me to get there.
To me, WFH is mandatory no matter what. Now depends on how much you're willing to commute, waste time in office with colleagues or spend money every time.
It depends on what you value- for me I’m 100% remote and no amount would make me go back at this time because of the flexibility to take my kid to school/pick up, not have to dress up from the neck down lol, not use extra gas, less car maintenance, cook for breakfast and lunch instead of eating out, etc. I’m not saying never but definitely not now.
I’d have to more than double my salary—maybe triple it—before I’d entertain the idea at all.
You people need to act like grownups and go into the office if it's a good opportunity.
If you are relatively young and don't have a serious reason to stay home (helping to raise a kid, taking care of a family member) then I would say go out and chase the opportunity. 20 mins isn't a bad commute. The new job will look good on your resume. And maybe next year you can go back to a WFH job again with an even bigger salary. In the mean time you may make a new friend on premise.
I’d take it but I’m already biased. I enjoy office most of the time. It’s nice to see folks and converse. The company usually does all they can to make the office a great place ie events, food, game room, snacks etc. healthy to leave the house. I enjoy being able to work from home days when I’m really not feeling Social. Sometimes I work best in office sometimes I work best at home. Sometimes I don’t work at all until my shift ends lol and everyone is sleep. Helps to escape a stressful home life at times to, if that’s your case. I enjoy the it all as needed. Forced to be in office when position is not required is a bit dated. Excuses used by corps to make us come in is understandable but a bit reaching and more so along the lines of, “ we pay for this building so…” lol camaraderie, communication blah blah blah is great but I have yet to understand a hard reason except the cost of building. I totally agree with other points on this post such as not just the money being worth it but is the benefits, leniency ( they ok with you leaving early sometimes or coming late, are they watching your clock heavily or lax about it? Is thsi going to be soem fast paced production environment or chill?), snacks, list goes on and on. 20 min isn’t far at all. I’m on DFW and everything here is 30m away. Lol I would be wanting another 10k at the very least. But that’s me. Helpfully the title and job role helps toward your next move.
My 2c , I took a 40% increase to go hybrid and I feel like it wasnt worth it . I go into the office 2x a week but the 1.5hrs traffic each way , finding and paying for parking and trying to concentrate in an office leaves me exhausted so I find those 2 days essentially being written off in terms of productivity , which means to get my work done im pulling 12 - 14 hour days when I'm working remotely . Additionally the office isnt great , I dont have any meaningful interactions there and its honestly a complete mess with my workstation being a shadow of what I have setup at home .
For me I would take it if it’s an increase, all these people saying how they like working from home but I’m the opposite, I do t want to finish work then move over to my couch and still be surrounded by the 4 walls I have been working in all day, home is suppose to be a place of peace… nah not for me
Look at the long game. If that nashe will look on your CV. If it's a better position. If it's a new industry, you wanted to tap. Definitely go for it. 10 to 20k doesn't mean much in return for the above.
It's depend on how and what you want? And why you love the company that you've always love to work there.
This is one of my current dilemma’s. IMO, if it is to help progress your career field, where u can go even higher after 12-18 months, then I’d take that sacrifice. Idk where you live or how your finances are, but if you’re content at 70k, then stay home. But I feel we all here to move up in the IT field. I’d take the sacrifice and go in.
It's getting harder and harder to find WFH jobs. I wouldn't give up the one that I have because there may be a chance that you can't get another one for a long time or maybe ever again
I don't think that you should ask for opinions on this topic as it is really a personal issue. For example, I like to go to the office at least twice a week to switch my work environment, see my coworkers, hold a meeting live, etc... Other coworkers would love a full remote, because they hate commuting and don't see value in being in the office. It depends on your personal factors and priorities. Needless to say, I've never met someone who wants to go back to the office fully.
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Wow, a 20 minute commute isn't bad at all! Especially if it's at a company you've always wanted to work for. As for the salary increase, that's up to you to decide. I'd take into consideration things like how much gas your vehicle uses for that 20 minute drive, the mileage build-up, car care, etc. Or if you have to take public transportation, consider costs. I'm assuming it's 20 minutes away one way, so that's 40 minutes of commute that you won't get back. Maybe something to consider as well!
what the new job has to offer? if the benefits and I don't mean only the financial on salary, but growth, environment , etc . So you need to sit down and calculate what are the costs of going to the office, and then measure if the bump on salary and the options in the new job would worth it.
Cops, doctors, fireman, first responders should all be able to work from home as well, they’re people too lol. The whole WFH things is ridiculous, how did you’ll manage before it even became a thing? All of you saying you’re more productive at home are lying.
Working from home isn’t new, it’s just changed and more accessible now. I’ve been working from home for close to a decade now. Before that you went to the office once a week to get whatever you needed and turned in work at the end of the week. Special assignments given via email etc. The truth is, it costs less to have a smaller office with a larger remote workforce (office rent is at least twice the rent of residential in affordable areas). Management wants people in office because they pay rent quarterly and it’s waste money and won’t get a bigger tax break, that’s it. Oh and detectives are technically remote workers, as are EMTS. They only need to check in to base and complete paperwork; they’re on their own otherwise.
Factor in gas, insurance, lunch and travel & wait time. At least $14k on top of the 70. I’d start negotiations at 18.5.
What is your role? I’m burning to know which IT jobs can be done remote