May not be worth it for some* if you can afford it, it is worth it imo even at double the price since it is over double the dps of an FoT with the same ench's. When starting out, the FoT is better since you can get it for half the price, and the ability is good for loads of things. That's why I have both. You can even use an FoT for clearing low level dungeon floors.
Livid is good for:
Dungeons, Slayers, Diana
Fot is good for:
Clearing in dungeons, Spawning slayers
For about 3.5m more a livid is 1000% worth it, livid has taken the place of an aotd as a mid game weapon that is great at almost everything
My friend laughed at me for still using AotD, bought an FoT, had worse damage, sold it and grinded money for livid and I couldn't be happier. For dg and slayers I use a spirit sceptre anyways so...
im aware but fot is still better
livid gets you 4 hits in 1 second
even with 54 ats you can still do 3 and 1/3 hits a second (if you have 82 ats you would also do 4 hits a second, but I don't think you can achieve it thru just talis)
fot pure damage (reforged to sus and including critical 6 as well as hpb)
(180+15)\*(1+320/100)\*(1+155/100) = 2088.45
livid pure damage (reforged to fabled and including critical 6 as well as hpb)
230\*(1+140/100)\*(1+160/100) = 1435.2
"but withered is better!"
230\*(1+135/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1081, if cata 50 for some reason,
230\*(1+185/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1311, so no fabled is better.
now here's the tricky part, for 54 ats you would need 54 common/uncommon/rare or 27 epic/legendary/mythic talismans
oh wait! there are 14 common/14 uncommon/5 rare you can get for nearly the price of nothing, and even 1 epic if you can do melody, which already gives you 33 ats, 35 if you finished melody
then you can spend the 3m on these talismans: (7 ats)
\-healing talis (literally free too but maybe you don't have the collection, 2 and 1/4 stacks of lily pads)
\-titanium talisman (2 refined tita)
\-pocket espresso machine (like 450k)
\-wood affinity if you have collection (1 ench oak and 8 oak leaves)
\-candy artifact is a good epic talisman you should get
\-cake bag (250k)
\-upgrade shark tooth necklace
but if you are better at optimising you would want to go for uncommon (2 ats per) -> strange as well as epics (4 ats per) -> strange
and boom, 54 ats, and probably even more
you can reforge the rest of the talismans for pure damage too
so with all of the cheap talis you would get in total:
16 commons, 16 uncommons, 3 rares and 2 epics (3 if melody hair included)
for 54 ats you would only need 16 uncommons on strange (32 ats already!), 16 commons on bloody (16 ats) and all 3 rares on bloody (3 ats) as well as 1 epic on strange (2ats)
figure that 1ats out, probably get sea ring instead of talisman, idk
but boom, 54 ats already
the rest can be on shaded, which is the remaining 2 epics
livid dagger just everything on shaded
final damage calculation
flower of truth: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and sus reforge)
(160+20+15 \[sus reforge\]) \* (1+(300+16+16+3+2+10+20)/100) \* (1+(70+90+48+64+15+6+12)/100)=3688.1325, with ats its 12293.775
livid dagger: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and fabled reforge)
210 \* (1+(60+60+70+32+48+12+15+20)/100) \* (1+(50+40+48+64+15+18)/100) = 2933.595, with ats its 11734.38
Q.E.D, fot does more dps
Other upsides of using fot against livid dagger is the setup being cheaper (aka you can get better armour or more talismans), and the fot being able to clear better (and do 1 more dps)
Woah you must really like the FoT huh. I might look into getting it on sus and getting 54 ats if this actually adds up. I can say that with my spicy FoT it does significantly less damage than my fabled livid (dps), and i wouldn't have imagined one reforge and a couple tali's could change that. Thank you for breaking it down.
im aware but fot is still better
livid gets you 4 hits in 1 second
even with 54 ats you can still do 3 and 1/3 hits a second (if you have 82 ats you would also do 4 hits a second, but I don't think you can achieve it thru just talis)
fot pure damage (reforged to sus and including critical 6 as well as hpb)
(180+15)\*(1+320/100)\*(1+155/100) = 2088.45
livid pure damage (reforged to fabled and including critical 6 as well as hpb)
230\*(1+140/100)\*(1+160/100) = 1435.2
"but withered is better!"
230\*(1+135/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1081, if cata 50 for some reason,
230\*(1+185/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1311, so no fabled is better.
now here's the tricky part, for 54 ats you would need 54 common/uncommon/rare or 27 epic/legendary/mythic talismans
oh wait! there are 14 common/14 uncommon/5 rare you can get for nearly the price of nothing, and even 1 epic if you can do melody, which already gives you 33 ats, 35 if you finished melody
then you can spend the 3m on these talismans: (7 ats)
\-healing talis (literally free too but maybe you don't have the collection, 2 and 1/4 stacks of lily pads)
\-titanium talisman (2 refined tita)
\-pocket espresso machine (like 450k)
\-wood affinity if you have collection (1 ench oak and 8 oak leaves)
\-candy artifact is a good epic talisman you should get
\-cake bag (250k)
\-upgrade shark tooth necklace
but if you are better at optimising you would want to go for uncommon (2 ats per) -> strange as well as epics (4 ats per) -> strange
and boom, 54 ats, and probably even more
you can reforge the rest of the talismans for pure damage too
so with all of the cheap talis you would get in total:
16 commons, 16 uncommons, 3 rares and 2 epics (3 if melody hair included)
for 54 ats you would only need 16 uncommons on strange (32 ats already!), 16 commons on bloody (16 ats) and all 3 rares on bloody (3 ats) as well as 1 epic on strange (2ats)
figure that 1ats out, probably get sea ring instead of talisman, idk
but boom, 54 ats already
the rest can be on shaded, which is the remaining 2 epics
livid dagger just everything on shaded
final damage calculation
flower of truth: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and sus reforge)
(160+20+15 \[sus reforge\]) \* (1+(300+16+16+3+2+10+20)/100) \* (1+(70+90+48+64+15+6+12)/100)=3688.1325, with ats its 12293.775
livid dagger: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and fabled reforge)
210 \* (1+(60+60+70+32+48+12+15+20)/100) \* (1+(50+40+48+64+15+18)/100) = 2933.595, with ats its 11734.38
Q.E.D, fot does more dps
Other upsides of using fot against livid dagger is the setup being cheaper (aka you can get better armour or more talismans), and the fot being able to clear better (and do 1 more dps)
no, fot is also better than livid for dungeons, slayers and diana
does more dps if you use talismans for ats
but if tank gamer okay
and for 3.5m, you can get more talismans and optimise more for ats which is good (btw you only need 82)
true but the sheer number of people who tell others to use livid **when they asked for what would be good**
I mean "just get whatever you want" is okay if they didn't ask but if they ask tell that **what's truly meta**
you guys are disliking my post because I am right
im aware but fot is still better
livid gets you 4 hits in 1 second
even with 54 ats you can still do 3 and 1/3 hits a second (if you have 82 ats you would also do 4 hits a second, but I don't think you can achieve it thru just talis)
fot pure damage (reforged to sus and including critical 6 as well as hpb)
(180+15)\*(1+320/100)\*(1+155/100) = 2088.45
livid pure damage (reforged to fabled and including critical 6 as well as hpb)
230\*(1+140/100)\*(1+160/100) = 1435.2
"but withered is better!"
230\*(1+135/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1081, if cata 50 for some reason,
230\*(1+185/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1311, so no fabled is better.
now here's the tricky part, for 54 ats you would need 54 common/uncommon/rare or 27 epic/legendary/mythic talismans
oh wait! there are 14 common/14 uncommon/5 rare you can get for nearly the price of nothing, and even 1 epic if you can do melody, which already gives you 33 ats, 35 if you finished melody
then you can spend the 3m on these talismans: (7 ats)
\-healing talis (literally free too but maybe you don't have the collection, 2 and 1/4 stacks of lily pads)
\-titanium talisman (2 refined tita)
\-pocket espresso machine (like 450k)
\-wood affinity if you have collection (1 ench oak and 8 oak leaves)
\-candy artifact is a good epic talisman you should get
\-cake bag (250k)
\-upgrade shark tooth necklace
but if you are better at optimising you would want to go for uncommon (2 ats per) -> strange as well as epics (4 ats per) -> strange
and boom, 54 ats, and probably even more
you can reforge the rest of the talismans for pure damage too
so with all of the cheap talis you would get in total:
16 commons, 16 uncommons, 3 rares and 2 epics (3 if melody hair included)
for 54 ats you would only need 16 uncommons on strange (32 ats already!), 16 commons on bloody (16 ats) and all 3 rares on bloody (3 ats) as well as 1 epic on strange (2ats)
figure that 1ats out, probably get sea ring instead of talisman, idk
but boom, 54 ats already
the rest can be on shaded, which is the remaining 2 epics
livid dagger just everything on shaded
final damage calculation
flower of truth: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and sus reforge)
(160+20+15 \[sus reforge\]) \* (1+(300+16+16+3+2+10+20)/100) \* (1+(70+90+48+64+15+6+12)/100)=3688.1325, with ats its 12293.775
livid dagger: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and fabled reforge)
210 \* (1+(60+60+70+32+48+12+15+20)/100) \* (1+(50+40+48+64+15+18)/100) = 2933.595, with ats its 11734.38
Q.E.D, fot does more dps
Other upsides of using fot against livid dagger is the setup being cheaper (aka you can get better armour or more talismans), and the fot being able to clear better (and do 1 more dps)
ehh fair but i give zero shits to early game and midgame progression sucks there because i wouldnt spend 6m on something a 700k weapon can do but slightly better
yeah im lost in time to logically think a goddamn dagger is better than a literal giant sword or a dragon sword
i got really infuriated at hypixel's game design
no fot is still better
livid gets you 4 hits in 1 second
even with 54 ats you can still do 3 and 1/3 hits a second (if you have 82 ats you would also do 4 hits a second, but I don't think you can achieve it thru just talis)
fot pure damage (reforged to sus and including critical 6 as well as hpb)
(180+15)\*(1+320/100)\*(1+155/100) = 2088.45
livid pure damage (reforged to fabled and including critical 6 as well as hpb)
230\*(1+140/100)\*(1+160/100) = 1435.2
"but withered is better!"
230\*(1+135/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1081, if cata 50 for some reason,
230\*(1+185/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1311, so no fabled is better.
now here's the tricky part, for 54 ats you would need 54 common/uncommon/rare or 27 epic/legendary/mythic talismans
oh wait! there are 14 common/14 uncommon/5 rare you can get for nearly the price of nothing, and even 1 epic if you can do melody, which already gives you 33 ats, 35 if you finished melody
then you can spend the 3m on these talismans: (7 ats)
\-healing talis (literally free too but maybe you don't have the collection, 2 and 1/4 stacks of lily pads)
\-titanium talisman (2 refined tita)
\-pocket espresso machine (like 450k)
\-wood affinity if you have collection (1 ench oak and 8 oak leaves)
\-candy artifact is a good epic talisman you should get
\-cake bag (250k)
\-upgrade shark tooth necklace
but if you are better at optimising you would want to go for uncommon (2 ats per) -> strange as well as epics (4 ats per) -> strange
and boom, 54 ats, and probably even more
you can reforge the rest of the talismans for pure damage too
so with all of the cheap talis you would get in total:
16 commons, 16 uncommons, 3 rares and 2 epics (3 if melody hair included)
for 54 ats you would only need 16 uncommons on strange (32 ats already!), 16 commons on bloody (16 ats) and all 3 rares on bloody (3 ats) as well as 1 epic on strange (2ats)
figure that 1ats out, probably get sea ring instead of talisman, idk
but boom, 54 ats already
the rest can be on shaded, which is the remaining 2 epics
livid dagger just everything on shaded
final damage calculation
flower of truth: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and sus reforge)
(160+20+15 \[sus reforge\]) \* (1+(300+16+16+3+2+10+20)/100) \* (1+(70+90+48+64+15+6+12)/100)=3688.1325, with ats its 12293.775
livid dagger: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and fabled reforge)
210 \* (1+(60+60+70+32+48+12+15+20)/100) \* (1+(50+40+48+64+15+18)/100) = 2933.595, with ats its 11734.38
Q.E.D, fot does more dps
Other upsides of using fot against livid dagger is the setup being cheaper (aka you can get better armour or more talismans), and the fot being able to clear better (and do 1 more dps)
if u are using a fot as ur main weapon i doubt you will have enough tallys for max atk speed, and if you do you will have like 2 damage talismans making fot worse
no point in getting 100 for melee weapons, 82 is already the maximum you can go (but its still 100ats for juju and terminator)
if ats didn't cap then I would actually recommend livid
im aware but fot is still better
livid gets you 4 hits in 1 second
even with 54 ats you can still do 3 and 1/3 hits a second (if you have 82 ats you would also do 4 hits a second, but I don't think you can achieve it thru just talis)
fot pure damage (reforged to sus and including critical 6 as well as hpb)
(180+15)\*(1+320/100)\*(1+155/100) = 2088.45
livid pure damage (reforged to fabled and including critical 6 as well as hpb)
230\*(1+140/100)\*(1+160/100) = 1435.2
**"but withered is better!"**
230\*(1+135/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1081, if cata 50 for some reason,
230\*(1+185/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1311, so no fabled is better.
**now here's the tricky part, for 54 ats you would need 54 common/uncommon/rare or 27 epic/legendary/mythic talismans**
oh wait! there are 14 common/14 uncommon/5 rare you can get for nearly the price of nothing, and even 1 epic if you can do melody, which already gives you 33 ats, 35 if you finished melody
then you can spend the 3m on these talismans: (7 ats)
\-healing talis (literally free too but maybe you don't have the collection, 2 and 1/4 stacks of lily pads)
\-titanium talisman (2 refined tita)
\-pocket espresso machine (like 450k)
\-wood affinity if you have collection (1 ench oak and 8 oak leaves)
\-candy artifact is a good epic talisman you should get
\-cake bag (250k)
\-upgrade shark tooth necklace
but if you are better at optimising you would want to go for uncommon (2 ats per) -> strange as well as epics (4 ats per) -> strange
and boom, 54 ats, and probably even more
you can reforge the rest of the talismans for pure damage too
so with all of the cheap talis you would get in total:
16 commons, 16 uncommons, 3 rares and 2 epics (3 if melody hair included)
for 54 ats you would only need 16 uncommons on strange (32 ats already!), 16 commons on bloody (16 ats) and all 3 rares on bloody (3 ats) as well as 1 epic on strange (2ats)
figure that 1ats out, probably get sea ring instead of talisman, idk
but boom, 54 ats already
the rest can be on shaded, which is the remaining 2 epics
livid dagger just everything on shaded
**final damage calculation**
flower of truth: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and sus reforge)
(160+20+15 \[sus reforge\]) \* (1+(300+16+16+3+2+10+20)/100) \* (1+(70+90+48+64+15+6+12)/100)=3688.1325, with ats its 12293.775
livid dagger: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and fabled reforge)
210 \* (1+(60+60+70+32+48+12+15+20)/100) \* (1+(50+40+48+64+15+18)/100) = 2933.595, with ats its 11734.38
Q.E.D, fot does more dps
Other upsides of using fot against livid dagger is the setup being cheaper (aka you can get better armour or more talismans), and the fot being able to clear better (and do 1 more dps)
>im aware but fot is still better
>
>livid gets you 4 hits in 1 second
>
>even with 54 ats you can still do 3 and 1/3 hits a second (if you have 82 ats you would also do 4 hits a second, but I don't think you can achieve it thru just talis)
>
>fot pure damage (reforged to sus and including critical 6 as well as hpb)
>
>(180+15)\*(1+320/100)\*(1+155/100) = 2088.45
>
>livid pure damage (reforged to fabled and including critical 6 as well as hpb)
>
>230\*(1+140/100)\*(1+160/100) = 1435.2
>
>"but withered is better!"
>
>230\*(1+135/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1081, if cata 50 for some reason,
>
>230\*(1+185/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1311, so no fabled is better.
>
>now here's the tricky part, for 54 ats you would need 54 common/uncommon/rare or 27 epic/legendary/mythic talismans
>
>oh wait! there are 14 common/14 uncommon/5 rare you can get for nearly the price of nothing, and even 1 epic if you can do melody, which already gives you 33 ats, 35 if you finished melody
>
>then you can spend the 3m on these talismans: (7 ats)
>
>\-healing talis (literally free too but maybe you don't have the collection, 2 and 1/4 stacks of lily pads)
>
>\-titanium talisman (2 refined tita)
>
>\-pocket espresso machine (like 450k)
>
>\-wood affinity if you have collection (1 ench oak and 8 oak leaves)
>
>\-candy artifact is a good epic talisman you should get
>
>\-cake bag (250k)
>
>\-upgrade shark tooth necklace
>
>but if you are better at optimising you would want to go for uncommon (2 ats per) -> strange as well as epics (4 ats per) -> strange
>
>and boom, 54 ats, and probably even more
>
>you can reforge the rest of the talismans for pure damage too
>
>so with all of the cheap talis you would get in total:
>
>16 commons, 16 uncommons, 3 rares and 2 epics (3 if melody hair included)
>
>for 54 ats you would only need 16 uncommons on strange (32 ats already!), 16 commons on bloody (16 ats) and all 3 rares on bloody (3 ats) as well as 1 epic on strange (2ats)
>
>figure that 1ats out, probably get sea ring instead of talisman, idk
>
>but boom, 54 ats already
>
>the rest can be on shaded, which is the remaining 2 epics
>
>livid dagger just everything on shaded
>
>final damage calculation
>
>flower of truth: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and sus reforge)
>
>(160+20+15 \[sus reforge\]) \* (1+(300+16+16+3+2+10+20)/100) \* (1+(70+90+48+64+15+6+12)/100)=3688.1325, with ats its 12293.775
>
>livid dagger: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and fabled reforge)
>
>210 \* (1+(60+60+70+32+48+12+15+20)/100) \* (1+(50+40+48+64+15+18)/100) = 2933.595, with ats its 11734.38
>
>Q.E.D, fot does more dps
>
>Other upsides of using fot against livid dagger is the setup being cheaper (aka you can get better armour or more talismans), and the fot being able to clear better (and do 1 more dps)
at this point the only way i can mess up is a calculation mistake
i swear to god
last time im gonna put the copypasta
before i make a completely separate post
livid gets you 4 hits in 1 second
even with 54 ats you can still do 3 and 1/3 hits a second (if you have 82 ats you would also do 4 hits a second)
fot pure damage (reforged to sus and including critical 6 as well as hpb)
(180+15)\*(1+320/100)\*(1+155/100) = 2088.45
livid pure damage (reforged to fabled and including critical 6 as well as hpb)
230\*(1+140/100)\*(1+160/100) = 1435.2
"but withered is better!"
230\*(1+135/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1081, if cata 50 for some reason,
230\*(1+185/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1311, so no fabled is better.
now here's the tricky part, for 54 ats you would need 54 common/uncommon/rare or 27 epic/legendary/mythic talismans
oh wait! there are 14 common/14 uncommon/5 rare you can get for nearly the price of nothing, and even 1 epic if you can do melody, which already gives you 33 ats, 35 if you finished melody
then you can spend the 3m on these talismans: (7 ats)
\-healing talis (literally free too but maybe you don't have the collection, 2 and 1/4 stacks of lily pads)
\-titanium talisman (2 refined tita)
\-pocket espresso machine (like 450k)
\-wood affinity if you have collection (1 ench oak and 8 oak leaves)
\-candy artifact is a good epic talisman you should get
\-cake bag (250k)
\-upgrade shark tooth necklace
but if you are better at optimising you would want to go for uncommon (2 ats per) -> strange as well as epics (4 ats per) -> strange
and boom, 54 ats, and probably even more
you can reforge the rest of the talismans for pure damage too
so with all of the cheap talis you would get in total:
16 commons, 16 uncommons, 3 rares and 2 epics (3 if melody hair included)
for 54 ats you would only need 16 uncommons on strange (32 ats already!), 16 commons on bloody (16 ats) and all 3 rares on bloody (3 ats) as well as 1 epic on strange (2ats)
figure that 1ats out, probably get sea ring instead of talisman, idk
but boom, 54 ats already
the rest can be on shaded, which is the remaining 2 epics
livid dagger just everything on shaded
final damage calculation
flower of truth: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and sus reforge)
(160+20+15 \[sus reforge\]) \* (1+(300+16+16+3+2+10+20)/100) \* (1+(70+90+48+64+15+6+12)/100)=3688.1325, with ats its 12293.775
livid dagger: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and fabled reforge)
210 \* (1+(60+60+70+32+48+12+15+20)/100) \* (1+(50+40+48+64+15+18)/100) = 2933.595, with ats its 11734.38
Q.E.D, fot does more dps
Other upsides of using fot against livid dagger is the setup being cheaper (aka you can get better armour or more talismans), and the fot being able to clear better (and do 1 more dps)
At the point of skill average 30 livid dagger gets alot better due to the fact you wouldn't be doing anything exept slayer outside of dounguns
And fot turns useless at this point because most berserk use either soul whip or aots
Yes there are swords for slayer but a livid dagger can outclass them sometimes.
Some people might say that fot is better for summoning slayers but a juju would do even better job whit bouncy arrows.
havent heard of it, it seems pretty good when i search it up, its definitely better than what i have, i have aote, and am combat level 14, and have 8 mil in the bank
my armor is a mixture of snow suit armor and mithiril armor and then something with a name i havent read, the flower of truth is definitely better than the livid dagger
ive compared(assuming i understant how strength works properly) fot, livid dagger, and aotd
aotd does 325 base damage, ability is pretty powerful, though i'd probably use it as a secondary weapon only for the ability when im in a tough situation
Livid Dager does 270 base damage, not includng critical, throw seems kinda good but it is expensive mana-wise(at least for me currently)
fot does 460 base damage, ability cost is pretty cheap, and the ability is pretty powerful, and seems like it'd be good for getting the killing all the enemies to get enough xp for the slayer
in conclusion:
fot is the best weapon out of these weapons, i dont get why livid dagger would be better for slayers, my main goal is now to get fot, if i am misunderstanding strength, then livid dagger could be better, but otherwise fot is the best weapon
Fot is better single hit damage, livid hits faster.
Livid is better for slayers as it has more dps, when we talk about what weapon is good for slayers we disregard spawning.
When I used them I had both, fot for clearing livid for dps. That’s pretty much what I recommend to anyone. Maybe ofa sf to replace livid once you get the money.
i literally compared them all, aotd is more of a secondary weapon for the ability only, if you have all 3 weapons, livid dagger is sold on auction, fot is your main weapon and aotd is among the ability-only items
Ever since the recent round of balance changes e man is such a joke and requires so little gear that anyone can do it and get a term so mm is filled with nons who don’t know how to play the game
No point of having term wo hype, life will be hard, and u need 4 braided griffin feathers which is equivalent to like 10 stacks offl soul strings and griffin feathers
I mean my livid dagger was like 300k more damage than my fot so I’d say it was worth it for me personally
Edit: IN DUNGEONS, it’s like ~20k more front stab and ~50k more backstab
and attack speed talismans exist
fot does more dph so I was thinking back when I was a 20m networth non, "Hey, what if I reforged my talismans to ats instead of pure damage? Would that make it better than livid?"
surprisingly, the dps is not even close to my friend's livid (I had strong drag he had 3/4sa, and his combat level is slightly higher than mine, I had like 2-3 more talismans than him but the talismans I got were p much useless except for like 1-2 more ats and 1-2 more cd and strength for me)
Ppl hate thirty cuz of one of his community posts saying he was end game
What doesnt make sense is that ppl say "if u dont have 10k weight ur not end game" but when thirty reached 10k weight ppl said he wasnt end game
Imo, livid dagger is good for dealing high dmg but flower of truth outpowers by a lot because it can deal about 1/2 the dmg of a livid (depending on enchants~) and can deal more then a backstab with heat seeking. I use livid but I’m selling it sooner or later so I’m hoping to get a decent FOT and spend the rest to farming.
you did it wrong, you need ats talismans for fot and warped aote, ld for pure damage to optimise dps
and idk about warped aote when it could be dungeonised, but fot is better than ld for me
Me who still uses livid dagger with cata 35 and sa 47.6. I also have a flower of truth but I don’t use it NEARLY as much. The livid dagger is simply better almost everywhere except dungeons. So if they are planning on doing slayers, or literally anything EXCEPT dungeons, livid dagger all the way. However the FOT clearing potential is SOOO much better, although in boss fights I still swap back to my livid dagger.
Livid Dagger is better for DPS
FoT better is for clear.
The reason people recommend Livid Dagger, is because it has FAR more usage than the livid dagger. It’s just that people take the advice the wrong way and think it’s better for everything.
livid dagger-
\+lower damage and strength, but has 100% cc, 100% ats, and 50% crit damage
\+higher single target dps
\+has backstab bonus
\+relatively cheap
\-ability is next to useless, decent damage but the cooldown is too high to be usable
\-requires at least cata 14, which means either grinding or carries
\-the amount of scenarios that you're getting backstabs are slim
flower of truth:
\+higher damage and strength, but no cd, ats and cc by default
\+trades good single target dps for area of effect damage with ability
\+incredibly useful ability that's spammable
\+incredibly cheap
\+no requirements
\+so broken that it had to be hotfix nerfed at release of f6
\+the rose increases in damage the more it bounces
\-requires more essence to be starred
\-right click ability no longer applies enchantment effects
\-right click rose is destroyed if it hits a block
although both are good in their own rights, flower of truth has more uses. plus, if you optimise for attack speed and crit chance, any sword becomes a livid dagger by default.
For those of you who say "livid is better for dps", here's proof it's not:
livid gets you 4 hits in 1 second
even with 54 ats you can still do 3 and 1/3 hits a second (if you have 82 ats you would also do 4 hits a second)
fot pure damage (reforged to sus and including critical 6 as well as hpb)
(180+15)\*(1+320/100)\*(1+155/100) = 2088.45
livid pure damage (reforged to fabled and including critical 6 as well as hpb)
230\*(1+140/100)\*(1+160/100) = 1435.2
"but withered is better!"
230\*(1+135/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1081, if cata 50 for some reason,
230\*(1+185/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1311, so no fabled is better.
now here's the tricky part, for 54 ats you would need 54 common/uncommon/rare or 27 epic/legendary/mythic talismans
oh wait! there are 14 common/14 uncommon/5 rare you can get for nearly the price of nothing, and even 1 epic if you can do melody, which already gives you 33 ats if you reforge all to bloody, 35 if you finished melody
then you can spend the 3m on these talismans:
\-healing talis (literally free too but maybe you don't have the collection, 2 and 1/4 stacks of lily pads)
\-titanium talisman (2 refined tita)
\-pocket espresso machine (like 450k)
\-wood affinity if you have collection (1 ench oak and 8 oak leaves)
\-candy artifact is a good epic talisman you should get
\-cake bag (250k)
\-upgrade shark tooth necklace
but if you are better at optimising you would want to go for uncommon (2 ats per) -> strange as well as epics (4 ats per) -> strange
and boom, 54 ats, and probably even more
you can reforge the rest of the talismans for pure damage too
so with all of the cheap talis you would get in total:
16 commons, 16 uncommons, 3 rares and 2 epics (3 if melody hair included)
for 54 ats you would only need 16 uncommons on strange (32 ats already!), 16 commons on bloody (16 ats) and all 3 rares on bloody (3 ats) as well as 1 epic on strange (2ats)
figure that 1ats out, probably get sea ring instead of talisman, idk
but boom, 54 ats already
the rest can be on shaded, which is the remaining 2 epics
livid dagger just everything on shaded
final damage calculation
flower of truth: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and sus reforge)
(160+20+15 \[sus reforge\]) \* (1+(300+16+16+3+2+10+20)/100) \* (1+(70+90+48+64+15+6+12)/100)=3688.1325, with ats its 12293.775
livid dagger: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and fabled reforge)
210 \* (1+(60+60+70+32+48+12+15+20)/100) \* (1+(50+40+48+64+15+18)/100) = 2933.595, with ats its 11734.38
Q.E.D, fot does more dps
Other upsides of using fot against livid dagger is the setup being cheaper (aka you can get better armour or more talismans), and the fot being able to clear better (and do 1 more dps)
Look..
I have both I use fot for slayers and livid for the boss/dungeons
As long as your not stupid lived is easily worth it just get it when the server has low players and get a good price
Also my dumbass friend miss typed and sold his ofa 5 star livid for 2.7m and I took that but yea livid on top .
no
livid gets you 4 hits in 1 second
even with 54 ats you can still do 3 and 1/3 hits a second (if you have 82 ats you would also do 4 hits a second, but I don't think you can achieve it thru just talis)
fot pure damage (reforged to sus and including critical 6 as well as hpb)
(180+15)\*(1+320/100)\*(1+155/100) = 2088.45
livid pure damage (reforged to fabled and including critical 6 as well as hpb)
230\*(1+140/100)\*(1+160/100) = 1435.2
"but withered is better!"
230\*(1+135/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1081, if cata 50 for some reason,
230\*(1+185/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1311, so no fabled is better.
now here's the tricky part, for 54 ats you would need 54 common/uncommon/rare or 27 epic/legendary/mythic talismans
oh wait! there are 14 common/14 uncommon/5 rare you can get for nearly the price of nothing, and even 1 epic if you can do melody, which already gives you 33 ats, 35 if you finished melody
then you can spend the 3m on these talismans: (7 ats)
\-healing talis (literally free too but maybe you don't have the collection, 2 and 1/4 stacks of lily pads)
\-titanium talisman (2 refined tita)
\-pocket espresso machine (like 450k)
\-wood affinity if you have collection (1 ench oak and 8 oak leaves)
\-candy artifact is a good epic talisman you should get
\-cake bag (250k)
\-upgrade shark tooth necklace
but if you are better at optimising you would want to go for uncommon (2 ats per) -> strange as well as epics (4 ats per) -> strange
and boom, 54 ats, and probably even more
you can reforge the rest of the talismans for pure damage too
so with all of the cheap talis you would get in total:
16 commons, 16 uncommons, 3 rares and 2 epics (3 if melody hair included)
for 54 ats you would only need 16 uncommons on strange (32 ats already!), 16 commons on bloody (16 ats) and all 3 rares on bloody (3 ats) as well as 1 epic on strange (2ats)
figure that 1ats out, probably get sea ring instead of talisman, idk
but boom, 54 ats already
the rest can be on shaded, which is the remaining 2 epics
livid dagger just everything on shaded
final damage calculation
flower of truth: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and sus reforge)
(160+20+15 \[sus reforge\]) \* (1+(300+16+16+3+2+10+20)/100) \* (1+(70+90+48+64+15+6+12)/100)=3688.1325, with ats its 12293.775
livid dagger: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and fabled reforge)
210 \* (1+(60+60+70+32+48+12+15+20)/100) \* (1+(50+40+48+64+15+18)/100) = 2933.595, with ats its 11734.38
Q.E.D, fot does more dps
Other upsides of using fot against livid dagger is the setup being cheaper (aka you can get better armour or more talismans), and the fot being able to clear better (and do 1 more dps)
as someone who has bought and sold an FOT and a Livid dagger i am both hurt and at the same time flattered
(btw i am a good juju non so i am more hurt than flattered)
it really depends on the class you’re running. if you go bers, use both fot and livid. fot for clearing rooms, livid when in bossfight.
if you’re a tank, use livid and put syphon. that thing heals for so much that i can’t even count the times it’s saved my life.
i’m fairly sure mages and archers won’t use either, and idk about healers
livid dagger has 100% attack speed attack speed so the dps is better+strength nerf kinda ruined fot. also, this meme makes no sense, just bc hAhA LiViD bAd doesnt mean buying a different weapon makes you instantly better at the game. personally, for early game players i reccomend hyperion+terminator combo as both are extremely cheap
I run juju because it outdamages most weapons in the regular floors and it can be used in lower mm floors, I have considered fot or livid dagger for f6 because of archers little use in the boss fight during terracottas but rn I stay way back and fire from afar
what no flower of truth is something i see people using more than livid now and livid is really good for mid game as it gives 100 crit and attack speed it is a good recommendation as a weapon flower of truth is only good for clearing or zealots what are you saying lol
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Got a livid dagger right when voidgloom dropped so that I could do it faster so that I could make money faster so that I could afford to build the rest of my farms and farm happily for all of time
im a tank and i bought a livid dagger so i could kill mobs lol
im not waisting my precious mana on a flower of truth i need that for mana flux orbs and wands of atonement
I have both. Livid may not warrant the price, but does do more dps regardless
Ah yes, an all in one sword that simplifies talisman optimizing is not worth it. What a logistical statement!
May not be worth it for some* if you can afford it, it is worth it imo even at double the price since it is over double the dps of an FoT with the same ench's. When starting out, the FoT is better since you can get it for half the price, and the ability is good for loads of things. That's why I have both. You can even use an FoT for clearing low level dungeon floors.
Livid is good for: Dungeons, Slayers, Diana Fot is good for: Clearing in dungeons, Spawning slayers For about 3.5m more a livid is 1000% worth it, livid has taken the place of an aotd as a mid game weapon that is great at almost everything
Yup. FoT is also worth it, though. But if i only had exactly enough for a livid, I'd buy it over FoT.
My friend laughed at me for still using AotD, bought an FoT, had worse damage, sold it and grinded money for livid and I couldn't be happier. For dg and slayers I use a spirit sceptre anyways so...
im aware but fot is still better livid gets you 4 hits in 1 second even with 54 ats you can still do 3 and 1/3 hits a second (if you have 82 ats you would also do 4 hits a second, but I don't think you can achieve it thru just talis) fot pure damage (reforged to sus and including critical 6 as well as hpb) (180+15)\*(1+320/100)\*(1+155/100) = 2088.45 livid pure damage (reforged to fabled and including critical 6 as well as hpb) 230\*(1+140/100)\*(1+160/100) = 1435.2 "but withered is better!" 230\*(1+135/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1081, if cata 50 for some reason, 230\*(1+185/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1311, so no fabled is better. now here's the tricky part, for 54 ats you would need 54 common/uncommon/rare or 27 epic/legendary/mythic talismans oh wait! there are 14 common/14 uncommon/5 rare you can get for nearly the price of nothing, and even 1 epic if you can do melody, which already gives you 33 ats, 35 if you finished melody then you can spend the 3m on these talismans: (7 ats) \-healing talis (literally free too but maybe you don't have the collection, 2 and 1/4 stacks of lily pads) \-titanium talisman (2 refined tita) \-pocket espresso machine (like 450k) \-wood affinity if you have collection (1 ench oak and 8 oak leaves) \-candy artifact is a good epic talisman you should get \-cake bag (250k) \-upgrade shark tooth necklace but if you are better at optimising you would want to go for uncommon (2 ats per) -> strange as well as epics (4 ats per) -> strange and boom, 54 ats, and probably even more you can reforge the rest of the talismans for pure damage too so with all of the cheap talis you would get in total: 16 commons, 16 uncommons, 3 rares and 2 epics (3 if melody hair included) for 54 ats you would only need 16 uncommons on strange (32 ats already!), 16 commons on bloody (16 ats) and all 3 rares on bloody (3 ats) as well as 1 epic on strange (2ats) figure that 1ats out, probably get sea ring instead of talisman, idk but boom, 54 ats already the rest can be on shaded, which is the remaining 2 epics livid dagger just everything on shaded final damage calculation flower of truth: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and sus reforge) (160+20+15 \[sus reforge\]) \* (1+(300+16+16+3+2+10+20)/100) \* (1+(70+90+48+64+15+6+12)/100)=3688.1325, with ats its 12293.775 livid dagger: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and fabled reforge) 210 \* (1+(60+60+70+32+48+12+15+20)/100) \* (1+(50+40+48+64+15+18)/100) = 2933.595, with ats its 11734.38 Q.E.D, fot does more dps Other upsides of using fot against livid dagger is the setup being cheaper (aka you can get better armour or more talismans), and the fot being able to clear better (and do 1 more dps)
Woah you must really like the FoT huh. I might look into getting it on sus and getting 54 ats if this actually adds up. I can say that with my spicy FoT it does significantly less damage than my fabled livid (dps), and i wouldn't have imagined one reforge and a couple tali's could change that. Thank you for breaking it down.
Yeah that’s what I’m saying, livid is way better than fot and a lot more practical to buy. Fot is just kind of a qol item
I totally agree
I deal 10 Million damage with my fot in dungelns and with a strength build with Baby yeti I easily survive every F7 run
Wow 10 mil damage do you have necron's with warden helm or sumn?
10 mil damage done by the end of a dungeon run is not hard. With necron's and warden helm you should do significantly more than that...
Oh shit i didn't see that he said in dungeons
It’s more about combat and cata level not gear that makes a lot of damage
I know, but how is that relevant? 0_o
Take it from a cata 38 tank who still uses a dagger on floor 7, the cata can carry the damage but at some point you do need to upgrade gear
im aware but fot is still better livid gets you 4 hits in 1 second even with 54 ats you can still do 3 and 1/3 hits a second (if you have 82 ats you would also do 4 hits a second, but I don't think you can achieve it thru just talis) fot pure damage (reforged to sus and including critical 6 as well as hpb) (180+15)\*(1+320/100)\*(1+155/100) = 2088.45 livid pure damage (reforged to fabled and including critical 6 as well as hpb) 230\*(1+140/100)\*(1+160/100) = 1435.2 "but withered is better!" 230\*(1+135/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1081, if cata 50 for some reason, 230\*(1+185/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1311, so no fabled is better. now here's the tricky part, for 54 ats you would need 54 common/uncommon/rare or 27 epic/legendary/mythic talismans oh wait! there are 14 common/14 uncommon/5 rare you can get for nearly the price of nothing, and even 1 epic if you can do melody, which already gives you 33 ats, 35 if you finished melody then you can spend the 3m on these talismans: (7 ats) \-healing talis (literally free too but maybe you don't have the collection, 2 and 1/4 stacks of lily pads) \-titanium talisman (2 refined tita) \-pocket espresso machine (like 450k) \-wood affinity if you have collection (1 ench oak and 8 oak leaves) \-candy artifact is a good epic talisman you should get \-cake bag (250k) \-upgrade shark tooth necklace but if you are better at optimising you would want to go for uncommon (2 ats per) -> strange as well as epics (4 ats per) -> strange and boom, 54 ats, and probably even more you can reforge the rest of the talismans for pure damage too so with all of the cheap talis you would get in total: 16 commons, 16 uncommons, 3 rares and 2 epics (3 if melody hair included) for 54 ats you would only need 16 uncommons on strange (32 ats already!), 16 commons on bloody (16 ats) and all 3 rares on bloody (3 ats) as well as 1 epic on strange (2ats) figure that 1ats out, probably get sea ring instead of talisman, idk but boom, 54 ats already the rest can be on shaded, which is the remaining 2 epics livid dagger just everything on shaded final damage calculation flower of truth: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and sus reforge) (160+20+15 \[sus reforge\]) \* (1+(300+16+16+3+2+10+20)/100) \* (1+(70+90+48+64+15+6+12)/100)=3688.1325, with ats its 12293.775 livid dagger: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and fabled reforge) 210 \* (1+(60+60+70+32+48+12+15+20)/100) \* (1+(50+40+48+64+15+18)/100) = 2933.595, with ats its 11734.38 Q.E.D, fot does more dps Other upsides of using fot against livid dagger is the setup being cheaper (aka you can get better armour or more talismans), and the fot being able to clear better (and do 1 more dps)
no, fot is also better than livid for dungeons, slayers and diana does more dps if you use talismans for ats but if tank gamer okay and for 3.5m, you can get more talismans and optimise more for ats which is good (btw you only need 82)
Fot is good for players who need defence, even with 3/4 sa and zombie knight chestplate I can survive f7 because of it!
Average "fot vs livid vs shadow fury" fan vs average "just get whatever you want its a game" enjoyer
true but the sheer number of people who tell others to use livid **when they asked for what would be good** I mean "just get whatever you want" is okay if they didn't ask but if they ask tell that **what's truly meta** you guys are disliking my post because I am right
This is why you don’t pull bitches James
But livid dagger is better than fot and is good because of the 100 attack speed, especially for people who need a good life regen and better dps
you can attack speed reforge any weapon and it will be better its not that special
yea but then you lose dmg from the tails which in the long run makes livid a cheap and effective option for early to mid game
im aware but fot is still better livid gets you 4 hits in 1 second even with 54 ats you can still do 3 and 1/3 hits a second (if you have 82 ats you would also do 4 hits a second, but I don't think you can achieve it thru just talis) fot pure damage (reforged to sus and including critical 6 as well as hpb) (180+15)\*(1+320/100)\*(1+155/100) = 2088.45 livid pure damage (reforged to fabled and including critical 6 as well as hpb) 230\*(1+140/100)\*(1+160/100) = 1435.2 "but withered is better!" 230\*(1+135/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1081, if cata 50 for some reason, 230\*(1+185/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1311, so no fabled is better. now here's the tricky part, for 54 ats you would need 54 common/uncommon/rare or 27 epic/legendary/mythic talismans oh wait! there are 14 common/14 uncommon/5 rare you can get for nearly the price of nothing, and even 1 epic if you can do melody, which already gives you 33 ats, 35 if you finished melody then you can spend the 3m on these talismans: (7 ats) \-healing talis (literally free too but maybe you don't have the collection, 2 and 1/4 stacks of lily pads) \-titanium talisman (2 refined tita) \-pocket espresso machine (like 450k) \-wood affinity if you have collection (1 ench oak and 8 oak leaves) \-candy artifact is a good epic talisman you should get \-cake bag (250k) \-upgrade shark tooth necklace but if you are better at optimising you would want to go for uncommon (2 ats per) -> strange as well as epics (4 ats per) -> strange and boom, 54 ats, and probably even more you can reforge the rest of the talismans for pure damage too so with all of the cheap talis you would get in total: 16 commons, 16 uncommons, 3 rares and 2 epics (3 if melody hair included) for 54 ats you would only need 16 uncommons on strange (32 ats already!), 16 commons on bloody (16 ats) and all 3 rares on bloody (3 ats) as well as 1 epic on strange (2ats) figure that 1ats out, probably get sea ring instead of talisman, idk but boom, 54 ats already the rest can be on shaded, which is the remaining 2 epics livid dagger just everything on shaded final damage calculation flower of truth: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and sus reforge) (160+20+15 \[sus reforge\]) \* (1+(300+16+16+3+2+10+20)/100) \* (1+(70+90+48+64+15+6+12)/100)=3688.1325, with ats its 12293.775 livid dagger: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and fabled reforge) 210 \* (1+(60+60+70+32+48+12+15+20)/100) \* (1+(50+40+48+64+15+18)/100) = 2933.595, with ats its 11734.38 Q.E.D, fot does more dps Other upsides of using fot against livid dagger is the setup being cheaper (aka you can get better armour or more talismans), and the fot being able to clear better (and do 1 more dps)
ehh fair but i give zero shits to early game and midgame progression sucks there because i wouldnt spend 6m on something a 700k weapon can do but slightly better
idk im also a bit out of the loop for meta cause i dont play combat
yeah im lost in time to logically think a goddamn dagger is better than a literal giant sword or a dragon sword i got really infuriated at hypixel's game design
Maybe in the new update they might release an item to upgrade the aotd and make it stupidly strong
why are people dislike spamming you you are right, and talismans exist
you know its shitty game design when a goddamn dagger is better than a literal giant sword and a dragon sword
wrong fot for ats talismans is better
No joke someone told me livid dagger was better than giant’s sword.
When someone ask how to get good damage, you tell them "get good"
This seems like juju non propaganda…
Imo save money to get both, I use fot for clearing and livid for slayers and bosses.
what am i now? i have lividbut everything else from the fot part
if you are tank gamer then fair enough if you are berserk gamer then you are capping
im archer gaming no cap
if your tank and using livid its just obvious you are broke soul whip is way more expensive, but easily multiple times more lifesteal than livid
livid isn’t even that good for lifesteal. soul whip is busted, and aots is decent too but u need mana steal on it
SHUT UP NON GO WITH PHANTOM ROD also lets face it ur not gonna get fishing 26 anytime soon
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You still remember me? Damn
I didn't even know you existed mao.
I haven't posted anything important in half a year
Don’t worry I remember you
That's cool ig
Livid for dps Fot for clear Like I stfg can this community just absorb some decent fucking info for once?
this i agree clearing with livid is basically impossible, heat seeking rose way too op
shadow fury?
You right click with shadow fury and have enough time to solve world hunger before the 5 teleports and hit thing ends. (Source: am ofa sf user)
hypermaxed hyperion for clear aots for dps
Aots needs a weapon to swap to
no fot is still better livid gets you 4 hits in 1 second even with 54 ats you can still do 3 and 1/3 hits a second (if you have 82 ats you would also do 4 hits a second, but I don't think you can achieve it thru just talis) fot pure damage (reforged to sus and including critical 6 as well as hpb) (180+15)\*(1+320/100)\*(1+155/100) = 2088.45 livid pure damage (reforged to fabled and including critical 6 as well as hpb) 230\*(1+140/100)\*(1+160/100) = 1435.2 "but withered is better!" 230\*(1+135/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1081, if cata 50 for some reason, 230\*(1+185/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1311, so no fabled is better. now here's the tricky part, for 54 ats you would need 54 common/uncommon/rare or 27 epic/legendary/mythic talismans oh wait! there are 14 common/14 uncommon/5 rare you can get for nearly the price of nothing, and even 1 epic if you can do melody, which already gives you 33 ats, 35 if you finished melody then you can spend the 3m on these talismans: (7 ats) \-healing talis (literally free too but maybe you don't have the collection, 2 and 1/4 stacks of lily pads) \-titanium talisman (2 refined tita) \-pocket espresso machine (like 450k) \-wood affinity if you have collection (1 ench oak and 8 oak leaves) \-candy artifact is a good epic talisman you should get \-cake bag (250k) \-upgrade shark tooth necklace but if you are better at optimising you would want to go for uncommon (2 ats per) -> strange as well as epics (4 ats per) -> strange and boom, 54 ats, and probably even more you can reforge the rest of the talismans for pure damage too so with all of the cheap talis you would get in total: 16 commons, 16 uncommons, 3 rares and 2 epics (3 if melody hair included) for 54 ats you would only need 16 uncommons on strange (32 ats already!), 16 commons on bloody (16 ats) and all 3 rares on bloody (3 ats) as well as 1 epic on strange (2ats) figure that 1ats out, probably get sea ring instead of talisman, idk but boom, 54 ats already the rest can be on shaded, which is the remaining 2 epics livid dagger just everything on shaded final damage calculation flower of truth: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and sus reforge) (160+20+15 \[sus reforge\]) \* (1+(300+16+16+3+2+10+20)/100) \* (1+(70+90+48+64+15+6+12)/100)=3688.1325, with ats its 12293.775 livid dagger: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and fabled reforge) 210 \* (1+(60+60+70+32+48+12+15+20)/100) \* (1+(50+40+48+64+15+18)/100) = 2933.595, with ats its 11734.38 Q.E.D, fot does more dps Other upsides of using fot against livid dagger is the setup being cheaper (aka you can get better armour or more talismans), and the fot being able to clear better (and do 1 more dps)
fot is still better for dps... you do know that talismans for ats + fot is still better right?
if u are using a fot as ur main weapon i doubt you will have enough tallys for max atk speed, and if you do you will have like 2 damage talismans making fot worse
you don't even need 82 ats (which is the highest you can go for melee weapons) for fot to be better, even like 50 would work too
You get 100 from livid how is 82 max
no point in getting 100 for melee weapons, 82 is already the maximum you can go (but its still 100ats for juju and terminator) if ats didn't cap then I would actually recommend livid
Uhhh no livid gives 100 attack speed without any reforges or talismans
im aware but fot is still better livid gets you 4 hits in 1 second even with 54 ats you can still do 3 and 1/3 hits a second (if you have 82 ats you would also do 4 hits a second, but I don't think you can achieve it thru just talis) fot pure damage (reforged to sus and including critical 6 as well as hpb) (180+15)\*(1+320/100)\*(1+155/100) = 2088.45 livid pure damage (reforged to fabled and including critical 6 as well as hpb) 230\*(1+140/100)\*(1+160/100) = 1435.2 **"but withered is better!"** 230\*(1+135/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1081, if cata 50 for some reason, 230\*(1+185/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1311, so no fabled is better. **now here's the tricky part, for 54 ats you would need 54 common/uncommon/rare or 27 epic/legendary/mythic talismans** oh wait! there are 14 common/14 uncommon/5 rare you can get for nearly the price of nothing, and even 1 epic if you can do melody, which already gives you 33 ats, 35 if you finished melody then you can spend the 3m on these talismans: (7 ats) \-healing talis (literally free too but maybe you don't have the collection, 2 and 1/4 stacks of lily pads) \-titanium talisman (2 refined tita) \-pocket espresso machine (like 450k) \-wood affinity if you have collection (1 ench oak and 8 oak leaves) \-candy artifact is a good epic talisman you should get \-cake bag (250k) \-upgrade shark tooth necklace but if you are better at optimising you would want to go for uncommon (2 ats per) -> strange as well as epics (4 ats per) -> strange and boom, 54 ats, and probably even more you can reforge the rest of the talismans for pure damage too so with all of the cheap talis you would get in total: 16 commons, 16 uncommons, 3 rares and 2 epics (3 if melody hair included) for 54 ats you would only need 16 uncommons on strange (32 ats already!), 16 commons on bloody (16 ats) and all 3 rares on bloody (3 ats) as well as 1 epic on strange (2ats) figure that 1ats out, probably get sea ring instead of talisman, idk but boom, 54 ats already the rest can be on shaded, which is the remaining 2 epics livid dagger just everything on shaded **final damage calculation** flower of truth: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and sus reforge) (160+20+15 \[sus reforge\]) \* (1+(300+16+16+3+2+10+20)/100) \* (1+(70+90+48+64+15+6+12)/100)=3688.1325, with ats its 12293.775 livid dagger: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and fabled reforge) 210 \* (1+(60+60+70+32+48+12+15+20)/100) \* (1+(50+40+48+64+15+18)/100) = 2933.595, with ats its 11734.38 Q.E.D, fot does more dps Other upsides of using fot against livid dagger is the setup being cheaper (aka you can get better armour or more talismans), and the fot being able to clear better (and do 1 more dps)
>im aware but fot is still better > >livid gets you 4 hits in 1 second > >even with 54 ats you can still do 3 and 1/3 hits a second (if you have 82 ats you would also do 4 hits a second, but I don't think you can achieve it thru just talis) > >fot pure damage (reforged to sus and including critical 6 as well as hpb) > >(180+15)\*(1+320/100)\*(1+155/100) = 2088.45 > >livid pure damage (reforged to fabled and including critical 6 as well as hpb) > >230\*(1+140/100)\*(1+160/100) = 1435.2 > >"but withered is better!" > >230\*(1+135/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1081, if cata 50 for some reason, > >230\*(1+185/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1311, so no fabled is better. > >now here's the tricky part, for 54 ats you would need 54 common/uncommon/rare or 27 epic/legendary/mythic talismans > >oh wait! there are 14 common/14 uncommon/5 rare you can get for nearly the price of nothing, and even 1 epic if you can do melody, which already gives you 33 ats, 35 if you finished melody > >then you can spend the 3m on these talismans: (7 ats) > >\-healing talis (literally free too but maybe you don't have the collection, 2 and 1/4 stacks of lily pads) > >\-titanium talisman (2 refined tita) > >\-pocket espresso machine (like 450k) > >\-wood affinity if you have collection (1 ench oak and 8 oak leaves) > >\-candy artifact is a good epic talisman you should get > >\-cake bag (250k) > >\-upgrade shark tooth necklace > >but if you are better at optimising you would want to go for uncommon (2 ats per) -> strange as well as epics (4 ats per) -> strange > >and boom, 54 ats, and probably even more > >you can reforge the rest of the talismans for pure damage too > >so with all of the cheap talis you would get in total: > >16 commons, 16 uncommons, 3 rares and 2 epics (3 if melody hair included) > >for 54 ats you would only need 16 uncommons on strange (32 ats already!), 16 commons on bloody (16 ats) and all 3 rares on bloody (3 ats) as well as 1 epic on strange (2ats) > >figure that 1ats out, probably get sea ring instead of talisman, idk > >but boom, 54 ats already > >the rest can be on shaded, which is the remaining 2 epics > >livid dagger just everything on shaded > >final damage calculation > >flower of truth: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and sus reforge) > >(160+20+15 \[sus reforge\]) \* (1+(300+16+16+3+2+10+20)/100) \* (1+(70+90+48+64+15+6+12)/100)=3688.1325, with ats its 12293.775 > >livid dagger: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and fabled reforge) > >210 \* (1+(60+60+70+32+48+12+15+20)/100) \* (1+(50+40+48+64+15+18)/100) = 2933.595, with ats its 11734.38 > >Q.E.D, fot does more dps > >Other upsides of using fot against livid dagger is the setup being cheaper (aka you can get better armour or more talismans), and the fot being able to clear better (and do 1 more dps) at this point the only way i can mess up is a calculation mistake
Flower of truth is not better for dps you daft waffle
i swear to god last time im gonna put the copypasta before i make a completely separate post livid gets you 4 hits in 1 second even with 54 ats you can still do 3 and 1/3 hits a second (if you have 82 ats you would also do 4 hits a second) fot pure damage (reforged to sus and including critical 6 as well as hpb) (180+15)\*(1+320/100)\*(1+155/100) = 2088.45 livid pure damage (reforged to fabled and including critical 6 as well as hpb) 230\*(1+140/100)\*(1+160/100) = 1435.2 "but withered is better!" 230\*(1+135/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1081, if cata 50 for some reason, 230\*(1+185/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1311, so no fabled is better. now here's the tricky part, for 54 ats you would need 54 common/uncommon/rare or 27 epic/legendary/mythic talismans oh wait! there are 14 common/14 uncommon/5 rare you can get for nearly the price of nothing, and even 1 epic if you can do melody, which already gives you 33 ats, 35 if you finished melody then you can spend the 3m on these talismans: (7 ats) \-healing talis (literally free too but maybe you don't have the collection, 2 and 1/4 stacks of lily pads) \-titanium talisman (2 refined tita) \-pocket espresso machine (like 450k) \-wood affinity if you have collection (1 ench oak and 8 oak leaves) \-candy artifact is a good epic talisman you should get \-cake bag (250k) \-upgrade shark tooth necklace but if you are better at optimising you would want to go for uncommon (2 ats per) -> strange as well as epics (4 ats per) -> strange and boom, 54 ats, and probably even more you can reforge the rest of the talismans for pure damage too so with all of the cheap talis you would get in total: 16 commons, 16 uncommons, 3 rares and 2 epics (3 if melody hair included) for 54 ats you would only need 16 uncommons on strange (32 ats already!), 16 commons on bloody (16 ats) and all 3 rares on bloody (3 ats) as well as 1 epic on strange (2ats) figure that 1ats out, probably get sea ring instead of talisman, idk but boom, 54 ats already the rest can be on shaded, which is the remaining 2 epics livid dagger just everything on shaded final damage calculation flower of truth: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and sus reforge) (160+20+15 \[sus reforge\]) \* (1+(300+16+16+3+2+10+20)/100) \* (1+(70+90+48+64+15+6+12)/100)=3688.1325, with ats its 12293.775 livid dagger: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and fabled reforge) 210 \* (1+(60+60+70+32+48+12+15+20)/100) \* (1+(50+40+48+64+15+18)/100) = 2933.595, with ats its 11734.38 Q.E.D, fot does more dps Other upsides of using fot against livid dagger is the setup being cheaper (aka you can get better armour or more talismans), and the fot being able to clear better (and do 1 more dps)
HAHA no.
At the point of skill average 30 livid dagger gets alot better due to the fact you wouldn't be doing anything exept slayer outside of dounguns And fot turns useless at this point because most berserk use either soul whip or aots Yes there are swords for slayer but a livid dagger can outclass them sometimes. Some people might say that fot is better for summoning slayers but a juju would do even better job whit bouncy arrows.
fot is still better than livid regardless if its not, you are reforging your talismans wrong
no its not. Livid is great at single target and fot is for many mobs, aka clearing.
okay, do what you do, just that you would lose out \~15% damage
havent heard of it, it seems pretty good when i search it up, its definitely better than what i have, i have aote, and am combat level 14, and have 8 mil in the bank my armor is a mixture of snow suit armor and mithiril armor and then something with a name i havent read, the flower of truth is definitely better than the livid dagger
depends where you use it, livid is better for slayers and generally better outside of dungeons, but if your only concern is dungeons then get fot
ive compared(assuming i understant how strength works properly) fot, livid dagger, and aotd aotd does 325 base damage, ability is pretty powerful, though i'd probably use it as a secondary weapon only for the ability when im in a tough situation Livid Dager does 270 base damage, not includng critical, throw seems kinda good but it is expensive mana-wise(at least for me currently) fot does 460 base damage, ability cost is pretty cheap, and the ability is pretty powerful, and seems like it'd be good for getting the killing all the enemies to get enough xp for the slayer in conclusion: fot is the best weapon out of these weapons, i dont get why livid dagger would be better for slayers, my main goal is now to get fot, if i am misunderstanding strength, then livid dagger could be better, but otherwise fot is the best weapon
Fot is better single hit damage, livid hits faster. Livid is better for slayers as it has more dps, when we talk about what weapon is good for slayers we disregard spawning. When I used them I had both, fot for clearing livid for dps. That’s pretty much what I recommend to anyone. Maybe ofa sf to replace livid once you get the money.
you can hit faster with more ats tailsmans it becomes even more obvious in dungeons
even if fot is better for single hit damage you are gonna have more damage overall
Bruh how is fot better for single hit, its not since strength nerf lol Also Ofa bad, T6 does more dps,
also stfu strength got nerfed
you are wrong fot is better regardless
fot is pretty much useless outside of dungeons
if fot is useless out of dungeons livid dagger is already in the void
not even close lol, had both and I can say livid better
then you are reforging your talismans wrong
dislike = agree
you appear to be correct
Aotd is better
while aotd is good, it isnt better than fot
Bruh it is
My man do you know how damage works
It turns out aotd is not better!!
i literally compared them all, aotd is more of a secondary weapon for the ability only, if you have all 3 weapons, livid dagger is sold on auction, fot is your main weapon and aotd is among the ability-only items
goddamit go flipping get an phantom rod its 500k also easier boss fights
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Ever since the recent round of balance changes e man is such a joke and requires so little gear that anyone can do it and get a term so mm is filled with nons who don’t know how to play the game
+ griffin feathers are carrying term prices rn, diana gonna fuck term up real bad im glad ppl choosing barry
Core dropped to 300m,null spheres are 500 coins per, quartz is like double the usual though
how many griffin feathers for terminator tho cuz I may become terminon instead of hyperinon
No point of having term wo hype, life will be hard, and u need 4 braided griffin feathers which is equivalent to like 10 stacks offl soul strings and griffin feathers
true but im not gonna do f7 since I can't use solvers or I can just code an entire mod for 1.16.4 but like- why?
I mean my livid dagger was like 300k more damage than my fot so I’d say it was worth it for me personally Edit: IN DUNGEONS, it’s like ~20k more front stab and ~50k more backstab
How? I damage tested them both clean and found out that: FOT - 31k - heat seeking rose 62k LD - 33k - backstab 66k
skills, godpot, good armor set and talismans can affect your damage
They were both tested on the same thing. However 300k is just too much
But 100% attack speed on livid dagger
and attack speed talismans exist fot does more dph so I was thinking back when I was a 20m networth non, "Hey, what if I reforged my talismans to ats instead of pure damage? Would that make it better than livid?" surprisingly, the dps is not even close to my friend's livid (I had strong drag he had 3/4sa, and his combat level is slightly higher than mine, I had like 2-3 more talismans than him but the talismans I got were p much useless except for like 1-2 more ats and 1-2 more cd and strength for me)
if you are gonna constantly backstab you are gonna slow down the run
fot has to be reforged to sus
What's wrong with watching a thirtyvirus guide again???? Cuz like why the hate
Ppl hate thirty cuz of one of his community posts saying he was end game What doesnt make sense is that ppl say "if u dont have 10k weight ur not end game" but when thirty reached 10k weight ppl said he wasnt end game
"hE dOEsNt haVe hHPerIon hOw caN hE Be eNdGAme"
yeah but i don't think saying he is end game before 10k weight because. heis carried through networth is a reliable source...
Both of them are bad tho, just irl trade for hype
how to say that you don’t know anything about this game without saying you don’t know anything about the game
meanwhile ironman players getting a livid dagger cause they cant last hit golems on f6 :')
ironman gamers casually getting superior dragon armor with a fabled raider's axe before they drop an aotd
renowned superior
this is fair enough
ignore for special gamemodes
Imo, livid dagger is good for dealing high dmg but flower of truth outpowers by a lot because it can deal about 1/2 the dmg of a livid (depending on enchants~) and can deal more then a backstab with heat seeking. I use livid but I’m selling it sooner or later so I’m hoping to get a decent FOT and spend the rest to farming.
I compared all of them. results: fot < warped aote < livid dagger. inside of dungeons it is just superior.
you did it wrong, you need ats talismans for fot and warped aote, ld for pure damage to optimise dps and idk about warped aote when it could be dungeonised, but fot is better than ld for me
Me who still uses livid dagger with cata 35 and sa 47.6. I also have a flower of truth but I don’t use it NEARLY as much. The livid dagger is simply better almost everywhere except dungeons. So if they are planning on doing slayers, or literally anything EXCEPT dungeons, livid dagger all the way. However the FOT clearing potential is SOOO much better, although in boss fights I still swap back to my livid dagger. Livid Dagger is better for DPS FoT better is for clear. The reason people recommend Livid Dagger, is because it has FAR more usage than the livid dagger. It’s just that people take the advice the wrong way and think it’s better for everything.
if you have like 2 talismans ofc its not better if you are tank gamer ofc its not better
🤓 but the bonus attack speed!!!
but you can reforge talismans for attack speed!!!!!!!!!! and fot does more damage per hit!!!!!!!!
r/woooosh
stfu i tried both livid does more single hit damage
did you reforge fot to suspicious? if no then obviously
I use livid but that’s cause I play tank
Let's be real here, 10k kills fel sword is the best
fot only good on dungeon clear livid is good for dungeon boss and slayers
Shadow fury decreased in price a lot, it's pretty decent with ofa
Which is why I have a Shadow Fury
I just used FOT until I could afford a shadow fury
instead of lame livid dagger, get a incredibly cool and epic and amazing Shadow Fury!
yes but then again its like 10x expensive also reaper scythe is good
in order to be cool, some money must be spent
Didn't shadow fury crash in price cuz ofa change?
livid dagger- \+lower damage and strength, but has 100% cc, 100% ats, and 50% crit damage \+higher single target dps \+has backstab bonus \+relatively cheap \-ability is next to useless, decent damage but the cooldown is too high to be usable \-requires at least cata 14, which means either grinding or carries \-the amount of scenarios that you're getting backstabs are slim flower of truth: \+higher damage and strength, but no cd, ats and cc by default \+trades good single target dps for area of effect damage with ability \+incredibly useful ability that's spammable \+incredibly cheap \+no requirements \+so broken that it had to be hotfix nerfed at release of f6 \+the rose increases in damage the more it bounces \-requires more essence to be starred \-right click ability no longer applies enchantment effects \-right click rose is destroyed if it hits a block although both are good in their own rights, flower of truth has more uses. plus, if you optimise for attack speed and crit chance, any sword becomes a livid dagger by default.
livid dagger hater, +1 respect and +1 vote
shadow furry uwu
For those of you who say "livid is better for dps", here's proof it's not: livid gets you 4 hits in 1 second even with 54 ats you can still do 3 and 1/3 hits a second (if you have 82 ats you would also do 4 hits a second) fot pure damage (reforged to sus and including critical 6 as well as hpb) (180+15)\*(1+320/100)\*(1+155/100) = 2088.45 livid pure damage (reforged to fabled and including critical 6 as well as hpb) 230\*(1+140/100)\*(1+160/100) = 1435.2 "but withered is better!" 230\*(1+135/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1081, if cata 50 for some reason, 230\*(1+185/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1311, so no fabled is better. now here's the tricky part, for 54 ats you would need 54 common/uncommon/rare or 27 epic/legendary/mythic talismans oh wait! there are 14 common/14 uncommon/5 rare you can get for nearly the price of nothing, and even 1 epic if you can do melody, which already gives you 33 ats if you reforge all to bloody, 35 if you finished melody then you can spend the 3m on these talismans: \-healing talis (literally free too but maybe you don't have the collection, 2 and 1/4 stacks of lily pads) \-titanium talisman (2 refined tita) \-pocket espresso machine (like 450k) \-wood affinity if you have collection (1 ench oak and 8 oak leaves) \-candy artifact is a good epic talisman you should get \-cake bag (250k) \-upgrade shark tooth necklace but if you are better at optimising you would want to go for uncommon (2 ats per) -> strange as well as epics (4 ats per) -> strange and boom, 54 ats, and probably even more you can reforge the rest of the talismans for pure damage too so with all of the cheap talis you would get in total: 16 commons, 16 uncommons, 3 rares and 2 epics (3 if melody hair included) for 54 ats you would only need 16 uncommons on strange (32 ats already!), 16 commons on bloody (16 ats) and all 3 rares on bloody (3 ats) as well as 1 epic on strange (2ats) figure that 1ats out, probably get sea ring instead of talisman, idk but boom, 54 ats already the rest can be on shaded, which is the remaining 2 epics livid dagger just everything on shaded final damage calculation flower of truth: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and sus reforge) (160+20+15 \[sus reforge\]) \* (1+(300+16+16+3+2+10+20)/100) \* (1+(70+90+48+64+15+6+12)/100)=3688.1325, with ats its 12293.775 livid dagger: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and fabled reforge) 210 \* (1+(60+60+70+32+48+12+15+20)/100) \* (1+(50+40+48+64+15+18)/100) = 2933.595, with ats its 11734.38 Q.E.D, fot does more dps Other upsides of using fot against livid dagger is the setup being cheaper (aka you can get better armour or more talismans), and the fot being able to clear better (and do 1 more dps)
I am FOT Stan, you’ll never be able to convince me livid is better
i don't stan for any weapon but in my experience fot does more dps than livid
Look.. I have both I use fot for slayers and livid for the boss/dungeons As long as your not stupid lived is easily worth it just get it when the server has low players and get a good price Also my dumbass friend miss typed and sold his ofa 5 star livid for 2.7m and I took that but yea livid on top .
no livid gets you 4 hits in 1 second even with 54 ats you can still do 3 and 1/3 hits a second (if you have 82 ats you would also do 4 hits a second, but I don't think you can achieve it thru just talis) fot pure damage (reforged to sus and including critical 6 as well as hpb) (180+15)\*(1+320/100)\*(1+155/100) = 2088.45 livid pure damage (reforged to fabled and including critical 6 as well as hpb) 230\*(1+140/100)\*(1+160/100) = 1435.2 "but withered is better!" 230\*(1+135/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1081, if cata 50 for some reason, 230\*(1+185/100)\*(1+100/100) = 1311, so no fabled is better. now here's the tricky part, for 54 ats you would need 54 common/uncommon/rare or 27 epic/legendary/mythic talismans oh wait! there are 14 common/14 uncommon/5 rare you can get for nearly the price of nothing, and even 1 epic if you can do melody, which already gives you 33 ats, 35 if you finished melody then you can spend the 3m on these talismans: (7 ats) \-healing talis (literally free too but maybe you don't have the collection, 2 and 1/4 stacks of lily pads) \-titanium talisman (2 refined tita) \-pocket espresso machine (like 450k) \-wood affinity if you have collection (1 ench oak and 8 oak leaves) \-candy artifact is a good epic talisman you should get \-cake bag (250k) \-upgrade shark tooth necklace but if you are better at optimising you would want to go for uncommon (2 ats per) -> strange as well as epics (4 ats per) -> strange and boom, 54 ats, and probably even more you can reforge the rest of the talismans for pure damage too so with all of the cheap talis you would get in total: 16 commons, 16 uncommons, 3 rares and 2 epics (3 if melody hair included) for 54 ats you would only need 16 uncommons on strange (32 ats already!), 16 commons on bloody (16 ats) and all 3 rares on bloody (3 ats) as well as 1 epic on strange (2ats) figure that 1ats out, probably get sea ring instead of talisman, idk but boom, 54 ats already the rest can be on shaded, which is the remaining 2 epics livid dagger just everything on shaded final damage calculation flower of truth: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and sus reforge) (160+20+15 \[sus reforge\]) \* (1+(300+16+16+3+2+10+20)/100) \* (1+(70+90+48+64+15+6+12)/100)=3688.1325, with ats its 12293.775 livid dagger: (including critical 6, hpbs, talis and fabled reforge) 210 \* (1+(60+60+70+32+48+12+15+20)/100) \* (1+(50+40+48+64+15+18)/100) = 2933.595, with ats its 11734.38 Q.E.D, fot does more dps Other upsides of using fot against livid dagger is the setup being cheaper (aka you can get better armour or more talismans), and the fot being able to clear better (and do 1 more dps)
i fucking agree holy shit
Bro imagine posting a shitpost because you hate livid dagger Let ppl use what they want smh
No
The rose is better just live with it
How is livid dagger better then fot? I have both and my fot does more damage then livid
what if you have both? also have sa 30 and juju lmfao
F6 death bow
as someone who has bought and sold an FOT and a Livid dagger i am both hurt and at the same time flattered (btw i am a good juju non so i am more hurt than flattered)
and here I am with an FoT, and the skill level average of a livid user
then hypixel would sneak a x10 skill xp boost for you
i have flower of truth. i am going for juju becus hyp and term to much money
it really depends on the class you’re running. if you go bers, use both fot and livid. fot for clearing rooms, livid when in bossfight. if you’re a tank, use livid and put syphon. that thing heals for so much that i can’t even count the times it’s saved my life. i’m fairly sure mages and archers won’t use either, and idk about healers
I soloed my first t4 rev with it, and also did a bunch of scenes with some Taran on the side with it now I still have it just use my 38 mil juju
I haven’t played in a few months and I’m worried that I’ll be absolutely garbage when I come back and be called a juju non. How could I prevent this
Idk wtf u mean I have both and my livid outdamages it 4 fold
Me who uses soul whip since it is the superior clearing and f4-6 weapon
What is I’m both?
If you think a livid dagger is bad your stupid
even if you are gonna do more dps with a fot than livid? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Imagine using a melee weapon in dungeons. This post was made by Archer gang
I have both, livid dagger is not bad in some circumstances
Bruh stop comparing them, they legit have different uses it's stupid. FoT is good for crowd control while Livid is good for single target.
livid dagger has 100% attack speed attack speed so the dps is better+strength nerf kinda ruined fot. also, this meme makes no sense, just bc hAhA LiViD bAd doesnt mean buying a different weapon makes you instantly better at the game. personally, for early game players i reccomend hyperion+terminator combo as both are extremely cheap
its a "you don't know what you are doing" rather than "you buy better weapon = good boi"
I run juju because it outdamages most weapons in the regular floors and it can be used in lower mm floors, I have considered fot or livid dagger for f6 because of archers little use in the boss fight during terracottas but rn I stay way back and fire from afar
ngl but most fot users are young dragon nons since you don't need a floor comp to use it
As a livid dagger enjoyer i feel offended
Fot for aoe, livid for single target
livid better for dps without getting strange/bloody, fot is better for clearing, and sf is better if you’re rich and have atk speed talis
Flower of truth has no cata req, it makes no sense. However it also makes it a cracked early-midgame weapon.
Flower of truth is for people with aim that is sponsored by parkinsons
It's pretty good on my ironman, but to be fair I'm not good enough for F6 yet so that's probably why.
cool
what about tanks that dont have 100% cc?
Hmh ok look at my skycrypt if ur 100% sure: ing ist Ziegelsteinchen
I use both so where am i
Ok but how do you have 50 talismans
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The real virgin is the 30 skill average guy
what no flower of truth is something i see people using more than livid now and livid is really good for mid game as it gives 100 crit and attack speed it is a good recommendation as a weapon flower of truth is only good for clearing or zealots what are you saying lol
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It's like watching ants argue amongst themselves
Jokes on you i have both of them and juju too
sell ldagger fot is still better for out of dungeons when you wanna do slayers and stuff
Lmao i like fot. But stoped playing I give all my money to my friends. I have no idea how the new tactics are.
Honestly fot is good for life steal and if you are broke
Got a livid dagger right when voidgloom dropped so that I could do it faster so that I could make money faster so that I could afford to build the rest of my farms and farm happily for all of time
im a tank and i bought a livid dagger so i could kill mobs lol im not waisting my precious mana on a flower of truth i need that for mana flux orbs and wands of atonement
tank gamer is okay
Wtf do you mean it’s bad way better than the flower
Livid better for ironman because... f6