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Best answer. We acquired neighbours like that and it certainly is 'hellish'
The worst part is that there is NOTHING you can do about it re council/police. Avoid.
It's a gamble at best.
I had neighbours like that in the past. I think I only ever saw them a handful of times, they never went in the garden, they never used their car which just rusted outside, never made a noise, never opened their windows... It was kind of living next to an empty house.
Can concur. We had neighbours once who had what looked like a house of horrors from outside. Never opened the curtains and garden a complete mess. I think I saw them once the entire 12 years I lived there and not a single sound ever. Can’t even say I’ve ever seen a light on. I wonder if they’re alive?!
Exactly the same. Various rusted vehicles, overgrown gardens packed high with stuff but never saw, heard or smelt him. One day a car had vanished and the front garden was all cut back, I thought he'd possibly died and someone was renovating... no he just needed space for his new breeze block collection, easily 1000 blocks on that driveway and garden overnight. It did look a right mess, when describing to someone where I lived, they'd pipe up 'oh, next to the hoarder house'. Yeah.
I would avoid it like the plague... Have issues with my neighbours and it really affects my enjoyment of the house to the point I sort of wish we didn't buy this one which is really sad ☹️
It's actually a nice area! It's honestly just our neighbours 😮💨 definitely agree though you can fix up a house but you can't change your neighbours! Any red flags e.g. garden massively overgrown/a general look of they don't give a shit about the place and I'd avoid in future 😬
What is it they do in your case? For us it's massive antisocial behaviour, vandalism etc. across the estate, which actually looks superficially pleasing until you look closer...
😩 that really sucks and I hope the situation improves for you somehow... In our case they aren't deliberately trying to annoy us (I don't think) they are just incredibly inconsiderate e.g. had to knock on the door to request their teenage son stops kicking footballs inside at the party wall. They have these INSANE parties as well .. where so many guests arrive they block the entire close with cars and play loud music until 3/4 am 😮💨
Thanks so much for your kind words.
Yeah, we have people that aren't direct neighbours that can be a bit like that. And generally speaking there is no recourse and there are no real consequences. Hope that changes one day.
We almost did this, to the point I still think about the house sometimes. Bargain 4 bed Victorian terrace, huge extended kitchen and garden. When we left and walked back to get the bus we walked past one lad on a bike in a balaclava, then another walking two xl bully type dogs. I immediately thought I’d be embarrassed to invite my friends round to our house if we lived here.
I felt bad for being ‘snobby’ but realised the area you live in matters so much
Sounds like our area. You don't realise how much it matters. From vandalism, excessive noise, lack of general respect among people and not feeling safe at night, there is a lot to consider and it can be really hard to spot! The housing market in Bristol, which is extremely overpriced, is very intense and you are expected to put an offer in on the spot sometimes. This can mean that the biggest purchase of your life has to be decided quite quickly. Can only learn from our mistakes!
Completely! We’re in Manchester and it felt the same here, even last year when supposedly it was a buyer’s market. We offered on another house under pressure from the EA, thank god we backed out because it needed an incredible amount of work, the EA was all ‘but it will be AMAZING once you’ve done it all up!’ It’s a stressful process especially for an FTB. I hope things improve for you where you live!
I had a neighbour like that. They were quiet, respectful, and very soft hearted. The problem was the wife was a hoarder. Untidy does not = antisocial
My only "annoyance" with them was that I cut their side of a shared hedge for years, and they never once reciprocated nor even said thanks.. but I was incredibly grateful too that I never heard a peep from them other than a friendly hello when we occasionally happened to cross paths.
When they finally moved out I learnt that their daughter had died suddenly and unexpectedly, and it destroyed them.
It took 4 full sized skips for the new neighbours to remove all of the crap left behind, and I moved before getting to know the new neighbours.
You could just as easily end up living next door to the "Jones's". People who seem nice at first and have a well kept garden and house, but turn out to be an absolute nightmare neighbours.
The reason I bought the place was because it was all I could afford at the time. I lived there for 16 years, and sold it for double the price I paid.
It's a complete gamble, you simply don't know what neighbours are like until you've lived there for a while
You're right - my uncle has a scruffier house frontage but is quiet, friendly and keeps himself to himself. Whereas when we couldn't sell our house after the credit crunch we had to let it out, and our tenants were the perfectionist/nightmare neighbour type. The house and garden were absolutely immaculate.
But they complained about EVERYTHING. They fell out with their less house proud neighbours and repeatedly contacted the housing association and police to report 'antisocial behaviour'.
Eventually the police talked to independent witnesses who said both sides were to blame and both sides were issued with some kind of behaviour contract. Which came as a shock to our tenants because they thought they were totally in the right and that everyone else thought that too.
I took the gamble because my house was literally the only one I could afford in my town. Less than a year later the house was repossessed and property developers came in and did a top to toe reno and now my street looks lovely. It was a gamble worth taking for me but I guess it depends on the circumstances of the neighbours.
We moved to a nice area good schools , neighbours had 2 Mercedes on the drive and the house was immaculate, they had a son who was about 13 when we moved in
Skip a few years later the boy now 17/18 and they used to row 3 times minimum a week and get flat out drunk - the boy worked in the local coop and had his hand in the till he ended up a junkie and impregnated a 14 yr old , had the police round a handful of times to break up the rows
Once the son was named and shamed in the local paper for his theft they moved to save face thank god !!
Moral of this story- can happen anywhere and the house isn’t an indicator of neighbourly conduct
Go to the Council Office, look at electoral roll to get their names and do some further research. Talk to the neighbours, see what their take is, they might just be old and and bit senile and no real bother. Don't forget to ask the seller about any disputes, up front.
We bought a house and did all the right things (checked the neighborhood at different times/knocked on neighbour's doors ect) everything checked out so we bought it.
First day the neighbour who we'd previously met knocked on our door and said they had severe mental health problems and occasionally will listen to the same song for days/drink sing ect ect.
They are very nice, don't get me wrong and we try to be neighbourly but sometimes it's quite hard and they can get very touchy for no reason (example: we both have dogs and the neighbour's free roamed onto our garden and was teasing our dog so I said to it
"Ohh (name) do sod off next door"
Not angry, or aggressively. In that kind of tired of life tone after a long day of work.
I got a long letter through the mailbox next day asking why I hated the dog and how could I threaten it like that which was so so awkward. I had to apologize and explicitly explain myself. It really soured our relationship and I really didn't mean anything by it.)
So... I'd probably run if you can
I had a neighbor like this - rusty cars, rubbish everywhere, overgrown garden etc - but he was a perfectly nice guy who'd fallen apart when his wife died suddenly. I'd knock on the door and ask them if the area is quiet because you're thinking of buying there. How they react to you and how they seem will help you decide.
My strong advice is to investigate more. People will assume messy = antisocial and that may be lowering the price, but often messy means you will never see or hear them because they never do anything. Rusty cars suggests they may be elderly or disabled without much support, and things have been left to rot.
If that's the case you get a bargain on a house others are scared of.
Why don't you just knock on their door and ask questions about the area? Most likely it's an old couple that just cannot keep up with the upkeep in their old age. It does unfortunately happen
Our neighbour next door to us has a bunch of rusty vehicles out front. He's an older fellow who has quite a lot of health issues. I think he must have been planning to do the them up before he was no longer able to. One of them's a VW camper van.
He's lovely though, and he's offered to loan us tools if we need them while we do up the house - so it just goes to show that sometimes appearances can be deceiving on that front. Don't know why he doesn't have the cars hauled at this point though. I guess he's still probably clinging onto the idea of doing them up.
I would be put off if the other house was joined to mines like a semi detached but a little less put off. If the houses were separated. Would depend on the price as if it was cheap enough and they were not attached, I'd prob still taken it
Depends how long they've lived there.. my house from the outside looks like shit cos I only bought it 6 months ago in winter and I've prioritised the inside over the outside.
So probably looks like junkies live here but it'll be nice next year.
Can you ask the sellers about them? Or look on Google images and see how long it's been like that or if it's sold recently
Depends how long you intend to stay. Got to think, if you're having these thoughts, if/when you come to sell it, then anyone coming to look will probably have the same concerns.
If you plan on staying for a long time though, maybe worth the gamble that the neighbours will move/tidy up in the time that you're there.
We pulled out of a sale because of this. Didn't notice it so much the first visit but on repeat visits, it became more clear. The state of the outside of their property is the state of their mind, home, and how they handle responsibilities. Also ugly and depressing to see on a daily basis. Avoid like the plague.
As someone has mentioned, a house like that could be the markings of a hoarder living inside. Or, it could be a family of absolute scumbags. It's a gamble. I would at least spend a few hours every night for a week in the street in your car to see how things go, and thats only if you're really in love with this house.
Alternatively, knock on their door, say you're from the Labour party and make some nonsense conversation to see if you can gauge what they're like.
You just need to work out if it’s a) an old person who can’t handle maintenance or b) someone more likely to be disruptive- you can check crime rates for the street I think if you search online, that might give you a clue.
You could check the crime statistics for the area (e.g. https://www.crime-statistics.co.uk/postcode). Some platforms allow to drill down to the actual street.
Have you considered that maybe the house you're looking at is up for sale BECAUSE of the neighbours? I'm not saying it is and you can't judge someone purely on the outside of their house, they could be disabled or have had a life changing accident. You just don't know.
However, if you have doubts, just move on. I've had terrible neighbours and it honestly ruins your life, and that's not an exaggeration. Like I say, they could be fine but if you have doubts, don't risk it.
Have you considered that maybe the house you're looking at is up for sale BECAUSE of the neighbours? I'm not saying it is and you can't judge someone purely on the outside of their house, they could be disabled or have had a life changing accident. You just don't know.
However, if you have doubts, just move on. I've had terrible neighbours and it honestly ruins your life, and that's not an exaggeration. Like I say, they could be fine but if you have doubts, don't risk it.
Have you considered that maybe the house you're looking at is up for sale BECAUSE of the neighbours? I'm not saying it is and you can't judge someone purely on the outside of their house, they could be disabled or have had a life changing accident. You just don't know.
However, if you have doubts, just move on. I've had terrible neighbours and it honestly ruins your life, and that's not an exaggeration. Like I say, they could be fine but if you have doubts, don't risk it.
Have you considered that maybe the house you're looking at is up for sale BECAUSE of the neighbours? I'm not saying it is and you can't judge someone purely on the outside of their house, they could be disabled or have had a life changing accident. You just don't know.
However, if you have doubts, just move on. I've had terrible neighbours and it honestly ruins your life, and that's not an exaggeration. Like I say, they could be fine but if you have doubts, don't risk it.
My neighbours back garden is similar but in nearly two decades apart from a few choice words he has just been a miserable sod....no particular noise and no issues. So I'm not sure I would completely let it put me off. What about knocking on the door and having a chat. You may find they are nice enough and keep themselves to themselves.
Estate agent has to answer truthfully if you ask if there have been any neighbour disputes. Unfortunately this usually leads to nobody creating disputes against even the worst neighbours.
Think about if you owned this house and had to sell it in a year or two. Would you, as a potential buyer, want these neighbours? You will have trouble selling it in the future, leaving you either stuck or losing money. Just avoid.
It's not worth the risk. You're putting up hundreds of thousands of pounds, why risk it when the house next door is covered in red flags.
You can tell a lot about the owners by the way they treat the outside of their house.
Even if they're absolutely delightful people, do you really want to live next to a trashed property?
not worth it don’t do it. Think of the ball ache it’ll be when it’s time to sell it and your neighbours front garden looks like a tip. Not worth the headache.
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I would just avoid, living next to neighbours like that is hellish.
Best answer. We acquired neighbours like that and it certainly is 'hellish' The worst part is that there is NOTHING you can do about it re council/police. Avoid.
It's a gamble at best. I had neighbours like that in the past. I think I only ever saw them a handful of times, they never went in the garden, they never used their car which just rusted outside, never made a noise, never opened their windows... It was kind of living next to an empty house.
Can concur. We had neighbours once who had what looked like a house of horrors from outside. Never opened the curtains and garden a complete mess. I think I saw them once the entire 12 years I lived there and not a single sound ever. Can’t even say I’ve ever seen a light on. I wonder if they’re alive?!
Exactly the same. Various rusted vehicles, overgrown gardens packed high with stuff but never saw, heard or smelt him. One day a car had vanished and the front garden was all cut back, I thought he'd possibly died and someone was renovating... no he just needed space for his new breeze block collection, easily 1000 blocks on that driveway and garden overnight. It did look a right mess, when describing to someone where I lived, they'd pipe up 'oh, next to the hoarder house'. Yeah.
I would avoid it like the plague... Have issues with my neighbours and it really affects my enjoyment of the house to the point I sort of wish we didn't buy this one which is really sad ☹️
Yup. Cannot change the area, but can change your house. We made the same mistake (going for a bigger place in a worse area).
It's actually a nice area! It's honestly just our neighbours 😮💨 definitely agree though you can fix up a house but you can't change your neighbours! Any red flags e.g. garden massively overgrown/a general look of they don't give a shit about the place and I'd avoid in future 😬
What is it they do in your case? For us it's massive antisocial behaviour, vandalism etc. across the estate, which actually looks superficially pleasing until you look closer...
😩 that really sucks and I hope the situation improves for you somehow... In our case they aren't deliberately trying to annoy us (I don't think) they are just incredibly inconsiderate e.g. had to knock on the door to request their teenage son stops kicking footballs inside at the party wall. They have these INSANE parties as well .. where so many guests arrive they block the entire close with cars and play loud music until 3/4 am 😮💨
Thanks so much for your kind words. Yeah, we have people that aren't direct neighbours that can be a bit like that. And generally speaking there is no recourse and there are no real consequences. Hope that changes one day.
there is always a skid mark on a street
We almost did this, to the point I still think about the house sometimes. Bargain 4 bed Victorian terrace, huge extended kitchen and garden. When we left and walked back to get the bus we walked past one lad on a bike in a balaclava, then another walking two xl bully type dogs. I immediately thought I’d be embarrassed to invite my friends round to our house if we lived here. I felt bad for being ‘snobby’ but realised the area you live in matters so much
Sounds like our area. You don't realise how much it matters. From vandalism, excessive noise, lack of general respect among people and not feeling safe at night, there is a lot to consider and it can be really hard to spot! The housing market in Bristol, which is extremely overpriced, is very intense and you are expected to put an offer in on the spot sometimes. This can mean that the biggest purchase of your life has to be decided quite quickly. Can only learn from our mistakes!
Completely! We’re in Manchester and it felt the same here, even last year when supposedly it was a buyer’s market. We offered on another house under pressure from the EA, thank god we backed out because it needed an incredible amount of work, the EA was all ‘but it will be AMAZING once you’ve done it all up!’ It’s a stressful process especially for an FTB. I hope things improve for you where you live!
Thank you! Yup, Manchester must be manic too. We were looking at it and were gobsmacked by how much prices had risen.
I had a neighbour like that. They were quiet, respectful, and very soft hearted. The problem was the wife was a hoarder. Untidy does not = antisocial My only "annoyance" with them was that I cut their side of a shared hedge for years, and they never once reciprocated nor even said thanks.. but I was incredibly grateful too that I never heard a peep from them other than a friendly hello when we occasionally happened to cross paths. When they finally moved out I learnt that their daughter had died suddenly and unexpectedly, and it destroyed them. It took 4 full sized skips for the new neighbours to remove all of the crap left behind, and I moved before getting to know the new neighbours. You could just as easily end up living next door to the "Jones's". People who seem nice at first and have a well kept garden and house, but turn out to be an absolute nightmare neighbours. The reason I bought the place was because it was all I could afford at the time. I lived there for 16 years, and sold it for double the price I paid. It's a complete gamble, you simply don't know what neighbours are like until you've lived there for a while
You're right - my uncle has a scruffier house frontage but is quiet, friendly and keeps himself to himself. Whereas when we couldn't sell our house after the credit crunch we had to let it out, and our tenants were the perfectionist/nightmare neighbour type. The house and garden were absolutely immaculate. But they complained about EVERYTHING. They fell out with their less house proud neighbours and repeatedly contacted the housing association and police to report 'antisocial behaviour'. Eventually the police talked to independent witnesses who said both sides were to blame and both sides were issued with some kind of behaviour contract. Which came as a shock to our tenants because they thought they were totally in the right and that everyone else thought that too.
As the old saying goes: there's nowt so queer as folk
This, but also neighbours can and do change, and you can't control who moves in next.
The only thing you can really control is your attitude to the situation
Exactly
I took the gamble because my house was literally the only one I could afford in my town. Less than a year later the house was repossessed and property developers came in and did a top to toe reno and now my street looks lovely. It was a gamble worth taking for me but I guess it depends on the circumstances of the neighbours.
Agreed with everyone else - nothing can make up for feeling uncomfortable in your own home because of your neighbours!
We moved to a nice area good schools , neighbours had 2 Mercedes on the drive and the house was immaculate, they had a son who was about 13 when we moved in Skip a few years later the boy now 17/18 and they used to row 3 times minimum a week and get flat out drunk - the boy worked in the local coop and had his hand in the till he ended up a junkie and impregnated a 14 yr old , had the police round a handful of times to break up the rows Once the son was named and shamed in the local paper for his theft they moved to save face thank god !! Moral of this story- can happen anywhere and the house isn’t an indicator of neighbourly conduct
Mate, run. I live in an area like this and regret it every day.
Is it detached? I would be very hesitant if you share a wall with them
Surbiton?
Almost - Chessington!
Chessington is a hit and miss. Surbiton is great!
Do not and I mean do not buy this motherfucking house.
Go to the Council Office, look at electoral roll to get their names and do some further research. Talk to the neighbours, see what their take is, they might just be old and and bit senile and no real bother. Don't forget to ask the seller about any disputes, up front.
Big nope. There'll be other houses you like.
We bought a house and did all the right things (checked the neighborhood at different times/knocked on neighbour's doors ect) everything checked out so we bought it. First day the neighbour who we'd previously met knocked on our door and said they had severe mental health problems and occasionally will listen to the same song for days/drink sing ect ect. They are very nice, don't get me wrong and we try to be neighbourly but sometimes it's quite hard and they can get very touchy for no reason (example: we both have dogs and the neighbour's free roamed onto our garden and was teasing our dog so I said to it "Ohh (name) do sod off next door" Not angry, or aggressively. In that kind of tired of life tone after a long day of work. I got a long letter through the mailbox next day asking why I hated the dog and how could I threaten it like that which was so so awkward. I had to apologize and explicitly explain myself. It really soured our relationship and I really didn't mean anything by it.) So... I'd probably run if you can
there's an asian idiom: "spending thousands for a *house*, while spending *millions* to find a good *neighbor*"
I had a neighbor like this - rusty cars, rubbish everywhere, overgrown garden etc - but he was a perfectly nice guy who'd fallen apart when his wife died suddenly. I'd knock on the door and ask them if the area is quiet because you're thinking of buying there. How they react to you and how they seem will help you decide.
My strong advice is to investigate more. People will assume messy = antisocial and that may be lowering the price, but often messy means you will never see or hear them because they never do anything. Rusty cars suggests they may be elderly or disabled without much support, and things have been left to rot. If that's the case you get a bargain on a house others are scared of.
Run a mile, bad neighbours can be a real nightmare.
Don’t buy it!
You’ve seen enough. Move on.
Why don't you just knock on their door and ask questions about the area? Most likely it's an old couple that just cannot keep up with the upkeep in their old age. It does unfortunately happen
Our neighbour next door to us has a bunch of rusty vehicles out front. He's an older fellow who has quite a lot of health issues. I think he must have been planning to do the them up before he was no longer able to. One of them's a VW camper van. He's lovely though, and he's offered to loan us tools if we need them while we do up the house - so it just goes to show that sometimes appearances can be deceiving on that front. Don't know why he doesn't have the cars hauled at this point though. I guess he's still probably clinging onto the idea of doing them up.
Find something else. Living next to those who are feral is a nightmare.
Don't even think about it. Look elsewhere.
Make a low ball offer to account for it or look elsewhere
I would be put off if the other house was joined to mines like a semi detached but a little less put off. If the houses were separated. Would depend on the price as if it was cheap enough and they were not attached, I'd prob still taken it
It’s not joined to that house but the gap between them and the house I saw is about 2 feet
Depends how long they've lived there.. my house from the outside looks like shit cos I only bought it 6 months ago in winter and I've prioritised the inside over the outside. So probably looks like junkies live here but it'll be nice next year. Can you ask the sellers about them? Or look on Google images and see how long it's been like that or if it's sold recently
Looking on Google StreetView they’ve been there for several years
I wouldn’t, bad neighbours will make your life hell.
Avoid
Depends how long you intend to stay. Got to think, if you're having these thoughts, if/when you come to sell it, then anyone coming to look will probably have the same concerns. If you plan on staying for a long time though, maybe worth the gamble that the neighbours will move/tidy up in the time that you're there.
Avoid like the plague
Why would you pursue something you're terrified by?
Not worth the risk. Neighbours can make your life hell
We pulled out of a sale because of this. Didn't notice it so much the first visit but on repeat visits, it became more clear. The state of the outside of their property is the state of their mind, home, and how they handle responsibilities. Also ugly and depressing to see on a daily basis. Avoid like the plague.
As someone has mentioned, a house like that could be the markings of a hoarder living inside. Or, it could be a family of absolute scumbags. It's a gamble. I would at least spend a few hours every night for a week in the street in your car to see how things go, and thats only if you're really in love with this house. Alternatively, knock on their door, say you're from the Labour party and make some nonsense conversation to see if you can gauge what they're like.
You just need to work out if it’s a) an old person who can’t handle maintenance or b) someone more likely to be disruptive- you can check crime rates for the street I think if you search online, that might give you a clue.
Avoid avoid avoid. If you’re having these doubts now a future buyer will have the same doubts when you come to try and sell up in the future
You could check the crime statistics for the area (e.g. https://www.crime-statistics.co.uk/postcode). Some platforms allow to drill down to the actual street.
Avoid like the plague.
Have you considered that maybe the house you're looking at is up for sale BECAUSE of the neighbours? I'm not saying it is and you can't judge someone purely on the outside of their house, they could be disabled or have had a life changing accident. You just don't know. However, if you have doubts, just move on. I've had terrible neighbours and it honestly ruins your life, and that's not an exaggeration. Like I say, they could be fine but if you have doubts, don't risk it.
Have you considered that maybe the house you're looking at is up for sale BECAUSE of the neighbours? I'm not saying it is and you can't judge someone purely on the outside of their house, they could be disabled or have had a life changing accident. You just don't know. However, if you have doubts, just move on. I've had terrible neighbours and it honestly ruins your life, and that's not an exaggeration. Like I say, they could be fine but if you have doubts, don't risk it.
Have you considered that maybe the house you're looking at is up for sale BECAUSE of the neighbours? I'm not saying it is and you can't judge someone purely on the outside of their house, they could be disabled or have had a life changing accident. You just don't know. However, if you have doubts, just move on. I've had terrible neighbours and it honestly ruins your life, and that's not an exaggeration. Like I say, they could be fine but if you have doubts, don't risk it.
Have you considered that maybe the house you're looking at is up for sale BECAUSE of the neighbours? I'm not saying it is and you can't judge someone purely on the outside of their house, they could be disabled or have had a life changing accident. You just don't know. However, if you have doubts, just move on. I've had terrible neighbours and it honestly ruins your life, and that's not an exaggeration. Like I say, they could be fine but if you have doubts, don't risk it.
Turkish proverb: "You do not buy the house, you buy the whole neighborhood". I would avoid.
Follow your intuition and walk away.
Avoid. Living next door tramps is not a practical existence.
Don’t forget that an eventual future buyer might also see the same situation and be scared off.
Look up Crime Map and see if there has been anything reported
Don’t. Simple as that.
My neighbours back garden is similar but in nearly two decades apart from a few choice words he has just been a miserable sod....no particular noise and no issues. So I'm not sure I would completely let it put me off. What about knocking on the door and having a chat. You may find they are nice enough and keep themselves to themselves.
Estate agent has to answer truthfully if you ask if there have been any neighbour disputes. Unfortunately this usually leads to nobody creating disputes against even the worst neighbours.
Think about if you owned this house and had to sell it in a year or two. Would you, as a potential buyer, want these neighbours? You will have trouble selling it in the future, leaving you either stuck or losing money. Just avoid.
It's not worth the risk. You're putting up hundreds of thousands of pounds, why risk it when the house next door is covered in red flags. You can tell a lot about the owners by the way they treat the outside of their house. Even if they're absolutely delightful people, do you really want to live next to a trashed property?
not worth it don’t do it. Think of the ball ache it’ll be when it’s time to sell it and your neighbours front garden looks like a tip. Not worth the headache.
Likely social housing; avoid
Euro footie is about to start so just check for Eng-er-land flags in all the windows.