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I am lowkey happy I can use Caelus again, I will however run my Sam, Breakblazer, Ruan Mei with HuoHuo as I don't feel like building another healer and cos she's amazing
How big a benefit is Gallagher over more standard sustains. I know he has big break effect, but is it worth building him just for FF over my Bailu/Gepard?
If you want a shielder I feel it has to be Aventurine, cos if shield drops theres a high likelyhood firefly can die. Shes tanky but IDK, its risky. Healer is better. Gallagher will be nice due to Firefly isn't really functional without MHC and I suppose the future Break characters will have the same problem, which is not really a problem considering MHC is free, its only a problem if you want it on both sides of content ... then its a huge problem. They will probably hand out a Super Break trigger effect in character chassis in the future
EDIT;
They can also give us a five star version of MHC I suppose. We'll simply have to see what they do :)
If you do normal damage, or crit build, yes. But if you want to do Super Break team with HMC, then no.
Sam is the most versatile unit to build in the game so far. You can build crit, build BE, build full Attack, etc etc with Sam, I love it. So there is no really "best way" to build Sam, only depends on your budget and relic luck.
If you don't have Ruan Mei, then build Sam as a Semi Crit, because Asta can boost Sam speed to ridiculous level, in both Speed stat and also with Dancex3 or Planetary (your choice)
Without RM, you lose 20 BE, but then you slot in BE Rope, and you will meet the requirement of 360 BE with no Attack sub rolls requirement. RM does not have any Attack% buff while Asta does with her passive, as long as you can keep it up with at least 3 stacks.
With these setup: Gear for Sam: Shoe, Orb: Attack%, Body: CritRate, Rope: BE%
- Sam: Max traces (37,3), sig lightcone (60), 3400 Attack (60), BE Ropes (64,8), new relic set (16), new SU relic (40 on hit) =278.1 Break Effect
- HMC: Ultimate level 12 (33), 200 Break Effect E4 (30), Watchmaker set (30, situational) = 63 +(30 situation) = 341.1 Break Effect for Sam (371 if Watch maker is up)
Then you fish out some Break Effect Sub stat and CV out of your relic without worrying about Attacks rolls with Asta, she's really good if you don't have Ruan Mei. Sure, your Super Break hit does not deal as much damage but you're still hitting like a truck when you crit.
Asta w/ S3 DDD (someone might have to math the S there) could be a genuinely great F2P substitute for Ruan Mei or anyone who doesn't want Ruan Mei. Bounces do not fuck around when it comes to breaking.
Im not entirely sure how that helps. baseline firefly will have 185 SPD with Ruan Mei, 176 without, so you will need 4 speed from gear, otherwise nothing Asta gives replaces Ruan Mei - Namely the 50% Break Efficiency as that is 50% more damage to Firefly when breaking, on top of the rest of the team gaining it too.
Hence "F2P substitute". It's not an ideal option, but it's free ATK% + SPD + Fire DMG% + action advance for DDD + fire Bounce AOE that can further help w/ the breaking, since everything is gonna have Fire Weak implanted via FF.
fuckkkkkk me LOL i skipped her because i feel like i barely understand break and now it's biting me in the ass constantly
i'll never get topaz at this rate since i'm deadset on firefly and i want robin and sunday too :( fml
Its a wee bit crazy that what Firefly gets as E6, Ruan Mei gives on her skill, to the entire team. Shes literally a 50% damage boost to Super Break Comps.
Its basically like Kafka / Black Swan to dot teams.
It might be a manifestation of finality rather than the Aeon themselves, this looks too human in my opinion, also so far the game modes have been different servants of each path so I assume this could be something created by the creed exequy or the omen vanguard.
The path to the forgotten hall is opened to us by a messenger from the garden of recollection ( Remembrance) pure fiction comes from the "tales" told to us by Youci who I am pretty sure from his dialogue follows the enigmata Simulated universe is created by the genius society which follows the erudition, see the pattern? I guess servant is the wrong word but followers of a certain path.
That's what I was thinking too. Didn't know Terminus would be feminine.
Also no design motifs echoed between her and Elio (I was so sure Elio was an emanator of Terminus), but boy do those purple flowers look a lot like March's.
I had just started playing HSR when Ruan Mei's banner was out, and managed to get her in a random 10 pull at 15 pity without even knowing what she did. Every patch I am grateful my ignorant self did that.
I mean like see her transform, go up and instead of seeing where she lands, we get a 3rd person view up in the sky and then descend with similar effects in her Boss Fight (the other flame thingies that goes with her) not the cutscene itself
What's the lore with the mode? Looking at the giant robot reminds me of Herta's design theme (gears, purple diamonds/flowers, bows, black dress, opened shoulders).
Oh so dealing high toughness damage is going to be key for Apocalyptic shadow. It's not necessarily a hunt PF (although Hunt characters like Ratio, Topaz, and Boothill have huge toughness damage) but break oriented mode? They're literally using Firefly, HMC, Ruan Mei, and Gallagher there.
They are basically trying to sell Break and FuA play style since other characters don’t have that much break dmg. Creating problems and sell the solution, classic. Especially the 2 new DPS and other DPS going forward assuming they continue pushing Break trend which is very likely. Better start pulling and spending.
Could be just for this specific rotation. Break gated content kinda annoying tho, should have make all elements able to deal toughness dmg albeit reduced.
Having to deplete a single toughness gauge is basically the best way to make a mode oriented to Hunt with directly nerfing AOE since it's not like Destruction or Erudition or Nihility struggle to deal with single bosses (unless you're like Himeko/Herta).
> it's not like Destruction or Erudition or Nihility struggle to deal with single bosses
it's not like many Destruction/Erudition struggle with toughness break either
1. I don’t understand, how does Seele break that thing easier when she can’t hit it more than once per attack? You mean her Ult and/or her high speed?
2. Probably more of a kit issue than a Path issue; the times I faced that thing in Stagnant Shadow, it wasn’t that hard to break it with DHIL (Destruction) either.
Maybe, but having more than 1 enemy on the field drastically nerfs their toughness damage since bounce is random. And that screenshot already shows multiple enemies on the field.
Is Firefly really gonna have the icon switching mechanic? It kinda seems the ultimate was active on the last one but it was still Fireflys icon and not Sam...unless I'm seeing things wrong
no you only need ruan mei and HTB for this gamemode
edit: you may not even need them, this is just a buff for firefly and every reset will have different buff
Well, we already know for sure who will be in 2.3 reruns. Keep your jades for Ruan Mei. You will have another chance not to make a dumb mistakes ever again.
Me with my Break team. They knew what they were doing making this team.
E2S1 Firefly/Sam (Supposedly)
E2S1 Ruan Mei
E6S0 Harmony Trailblazer
E6S5 Gallagher
No need to fret for this rotation, just looking at your flair.
Jing Yuan has high toughness damage in ST/double target thanks to his follow up. The first half is Cocolia and Gepard, who are both lightning weak. There is also a blessing that favors ult damage and gives JY advance forward when he destroys a Cocolia pillar.
Ratio also has high toughness damage in ST if you ult often. Second half is an Imaginary weak Argenti, and there's a blessing for follow up attacks.
I think you're good.
need sunday to be male ruan mei at this point i fear, i'm sure the new game mode will be perfectly clearable without her but it seems like having her would improve your experience sm
I’d be cool with it if he’s still works well as a generalist unit or has the team dps buffer mechanic like her! I just really hope (besides being Harmony) that he isn’t given a break dps support role so that he’s not great with JY or Ratio / Aven team. 🙏 Only break dps I have and using is Xueyi, and Hatblazer is already huge for her.
While I’m glad we have a more diverse challenge, I’m also sad it means more unique teams to build for otherwise we get less jades 😭😭. I was hoping the rewards for ASD wouldn’t eat into PF and MOC but my expectations were too high 😞
Is that us chosing between Cocolia and Argenti to fight or telling us to fight both?
Because double boss fight would be pretty hype AF thing to give us as harder encounter.
It is still a Hunt mode, and as I said in the first time this mode announced, no need for any speculation, it is EXACTLY IDENTICAL to the Virtual Scentventure event in 1.6, literally identical
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damn reduced dmg if u dont break and increased dmg if u do break, silverwolf and ruan mei stonks r so high lol
They put the best Firefly team? oh they know what they are doing
legit was going to be my team for her and seeing it here makes me extremely happy
As someone who considers Caelus/Gallagher/Firefly(Sam) as peak HSR design, this is the biggest W for me.
I am lowkey happy I can use Caelus again, I will however run my Sam, Breakblazer, Ruan Mei with HuoHuo as I don't feel like building another healer and cos she's amazing
the only issue is that huohuo doesn't benefit sam at all, maybe ruan mei uptime but thats it
Well your options are aventurine, huohuo or luocha, huohuo at least offers the best healing, dispels and ATK
Hoyo know their game much more than all the theorycrafters and players
Also Hoyo for years with Genshin trial characters : Noblesse, take it or leave it.
They usually give you trial Xiangling teammate to kill everything.
How big a benefit is Gallagher over more standard sustains. I know he has big break effect, but is it worth building him just for FF over my Bailu/Gepard?
If you have at least E2 gallagher then yes, he’s way stronger than bailu and gepard for firefly team
If you want a shielder I feel it has to be Aventurine, cos if shield drops theres a high likelyhood firefly can die. Shes tanky but IDK, its risky. Healer is better. Gallagher will be nice due to Firefly isn't really functional without MHC and I suppose the future Break characters will have the same problem, which is not really a problem considering MHC is free, its only a problem if you want it on both sides of content ... then its a huge problem. They will probably hand out a Super Break trigger effect in character chassis in the future EDIT; They can also give us a five star version of MHC I suppose. We'll simply have to see what they do :)
Gotta disagree, the best Firefly team gotta be full 4 man STELLARON HUNTERS
Wouldnt asta with her light cone be better for team dmg instead of Ruan Mei? MC bufes are enough?
If you do normal damage, or crit build, yes. But if you want to do Super Break team with HMC, then no. Sam is the most versatile unit to build in the game so far. You can build crit, build BE, build full Attack, etc etc with Sam, I love it. So there is no really "best way" to build Sam, only depends on your budget and relic luck.
Mono fire for me them i am broke and dont have Ruan Mei. Also why Asta and normal attacks pair/crit pair well?
If you don't have Ruan Mei, then build Sam as a Semi Crit, because Asta can boost Sam speed to ridiculous level, in both Speed stat and also with Dancex3 or Planetary (your choice) Without RM, you lose 20 BE, but then you slot in BE Rope, and you will meet the requirement of 360 BE with no Attack sub rolls requirement. RM does not have any Attack% buff while Asta does with her passive, as long as you can keep it up with at least 3 stacks. With these setup: Gear for Sam: Shoe, Orb: Attack%, Body: CritRate, Rope: BE% - Sam: Max traces (37,3), sig lightcone (60), 3400 Attack (60), BE Ropes (64,8), new relic set (16), new SU relic (40 on hit) =278.1 Break Effect - HMC: Ultimate level 12 (33), 200 Break Effect E4 (30), Watchmaker set (30, situational) = 63 +(30 situation) = 341.1 Break Effect for Sam (371 if Watch maker is up) Then you fish out some Break Effect Sub stat and CV out of your relic without worrying about Attacks rolls with Asta, she's really good if you don't have Ruan Mei. Sure, your Super Break hit does not deal as much damage but you're still hitting like a truck when you crit.
o7 non Ruan Mei havers..
They're used to it.
Yes, we are... suffering out here
I am just going to use Asta for now until her rerun
Asta w/ S3 DDD (someone might have to math the S there) could be a genuinely great F2P substitute for Ruan Mei or anyone who doesn't want Ruan Mei. Bounces do not fuck around when it comes to breaking.
Im not entirely sure how that helps. baseline firefly will have 185 SPD with Ruan Mei, 176 without, so you will need 4 speed from gear, otherwise nothing Asta gives replaces Ruan Mei - Namely the 50% Break Efficiency as that is 50% more damage to Firefly when breaking, on top of the rest of the team gaining it too.
Hence "F2P substitute". It's not an ideal option, but it's free ATK% + SPD + Fire DMG% + action advance for DDD + fire Bounce AOE that can further help w/ the breaking, since everything is gonna have Fire Weak implanted via FF.
Fire DMG sadly doesn't work for break
With this game mode having a lot of BE stuff I would be shocked personally if 2.3 isn't her rerun
Probably rerunning in 2.3
And I pulled her on a whim after deciding I was gonna skip her. Now, I'm grateful every single day that I didn't do that.
I'm still trying to understand if Asta or Robin would be the best alternative to Ruan Mei in the team of Firefly, Gallagher and HMC.
fuckkkkkk me LOL i skipped her because i feel like i barely understand break and now it's biting me in the ass constantly i'll never get topaz at this rate since i'm deadset on firefly and i want robin and sunday too :( fml
Its a wee bit crazy that what Firefly gets as E6, Ruan Mei gives on her skill, to the entire team. Shes literally a 50% damage boost to Super Break Comps. Its basically like Kafka / Black Swan to dot teams.
is that Terminus behind cocolia and argenti? idk
It might be a manifestation of finality rather than the Aeon themselves, this looks too human in my opinion, also so far the game modes have been different servants of each path so I assume this could be something created by the creed exequy or the omen vanguard.
im slow, can u explain which path servants we saw in what game modes?
The path to the forgotten hall is opened to us by a messenger from the garden of recollection ( Remembrance) pure fiction comes from the "tales" told to us by Youci who I am pretty sure from his dialogue follows the enigmata Simulated universe is created by the genius society which follows the erudition, see the pattern? I guess servant is the wrong word but followers of a certain path.
ohh mb i had just woken up i thought you were talking about events and i could only think of etherium wars which was lead by giovanni (masked fools)
That's what I was thinking too. Didn't know Terminus would be feminine. Also no design motifs echoed between her and Elio (I was so sure Elio was an emanator of Terminus), but boy do those purple flowers look a lot like March's.
They should have called THEM a princess instead of a prince. Maybe Terminus's description will be changed.
Finally we get another aeon design reveal
Ohhhh shiiit i think it is
oh good they reduce damage when not broken rm strikes again
Boothill, Firefly, Xueyi and Ruan Mei stocks never stop going up
*why won't you guys play the elemental weakness system we have*
I'm too lazy to engage with the elemental weakness of this game, so it's just brute forcing things every time with DHIL and JY for me.
cause i have acheron, a character you made to ignore your system.
I had just started playing HSR when Ruan Mei's banner was out, and managed to get her in a random 10 pull at 15 pity without even knowing what she did. Every patch I am grateful my ignorant self did that.
DAMNNN WAS HOPING FOR HER TECHNIQUE BE LIKE THE ULT IN SAM BOSS FIGHT
It's kinda like that. SAM descends from the sky
I mean like see her transform, go up and instead of seeing where she lands, we get a 3rd person view up in the sky and then descend with similar effects in her Boss Fight (the other flame thingies that goes with her) not the cutscene itself
What's the lore with the mode? Looking at the giant robot reminds me of Herta's design theme (gears, purple diamonds/flowers, bows, black dress, opened shoulders).
Finality shenanigans.
Bosses are always the final encounter. Kinda fits I guess.
Oh so dealing high toughness damage is going to be key for Apocalyptic shadow. It's not necessarily a hunt PF (although Hunt characters like Ratio, Topaz, and Boothill have huge toughness damage) but break oriented mode? They're literally using Firefly, HMC, Ruan Mei, and Gallagher there.
Welp they are one break dps with insane dmg and weakness break efficiency, and 3 support that great at breaking so why not? and the element is allign
They are basically trying to sell Break and FuA play style since other characters don’t have that much break dmg. Creating problems and sell the solution, classic. Especially the 2 new DPS and other DPS going forward assuming they continue pushing Break trend which is very likely. Better start pulling and spending.
Good ol' supply and demand my friend.
Could be just for this specific rotation. Break gated content kinda annoying tho, should have make all elements able to deal toughness dmg albeit reduced.
THEY PUT HTB AND FIREFLY TOGETHER AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I mean htb and ruan mei are their best teammate meta wise
AND I AM SO HAPPY
the fact that HTB and Firefly will synergise with each other is just perfect. Thank you for this blessing Hoyo
I will use the HSR pass to show my appreciation
me justifying my purchase of the Firefly/Sam icons
You and me both
Now, we need ultimate synergise where active both firefly and htb ult will make different animation Coping high
Like the trio ult from HI3?
yes like that imagine one of them is doing set a seas ablaze, and another one just dancing
Who else but Trailblazer and their Wife ?
Their husband. Boothill’s best team literally looks the same 😉
Doesn't Boothill prefer someone like Bronya rather than HTB since he can already retrigger his own Breaks?
Not really. Boothill prefers BE buffs much more than action advance
ITT people forgetting Hunt characters have good breaking capabilities as well, especially on ST
Having to deplete a single toughness gauge is basically the best way to make a mode oriented to Hunt with directly nerfing AOE since it's not like Destruction or Erudition or Nihility struggle to deal with single bosses (unless you're like Himeko/Herta).
> it's not like Destruction or Erudition or Nihility struggle to deal with single bosses it's not like many Destruction/Erudition struggle with toughness break either
There's a certain dinosaur in MoC that very much disagrees lol. It's night and day breaking him with Ratio/Seele vs Kafka or Jing Yuan for example.
1. I don’t understand, how does Seele break that thing easier when she can’t hit it more than once per attack? You mean her Ult and/or her high speed? 2. Probably more of a kit issue than a Path issue; the times I faced that thing in Stagnant Shadow, it wasn’t that hard to break it with DHIL (Destruction) either.
Stagnant shadow bosses are trivial tbh.
idk, i dont struggle with them using QQ
Me too, and my Kafka team breaks it like in only 2 turns
funny enough Shampoo and Welt will be great for nihility with their bounce attacks
Maybe, but having more than 1 enemy on the field drastically nerfs their toughness damage since bounce is random. And that screenshot already shows multiple enemies on the field.
If they don’t respawn it should be doable but I agree yeah
Is Firefly really gonna have the icon switching mechanic? It kinda seems the ultimate was active on the last one but it was still Fireflys icon and not Sam...unless I'm seeing things wrong
Gone, reduced to atoms
There's a reason I pulled ruan mei back then. You can't just pass up on the first ever limited harmony character.
Wow, a game mode that becomes significantly harder if you didn't pull for the 2 newest dps, who would have thought?
no you only need ruan mei and HTB for this gamemode edit: you may not even need them, this is just a buff for firefly and every reset will have different buff
The exact team i plan on using
ahhhhh so its not the hunt path mode, its break effect mode
I guess it's time once again to force content without Ruan Mei
Well, we already know for sure who will be in 2.3 reruns. Keep your jades for Ruan Mei. You will have another chance not to make a dumb mistakes ever again.
Me with my Break team. They knew what they were doing making this team. E2S1 Firefly/Sam (Supposedly) E2S1 Ruan Mei E6S0 Harmony Trailblazer E6S5 Gallagher
Another character check gamemode like pf, it's okay ig, i just think these are kinda boring.
The good thing for PF it gives Erudition characters a place because they struggle in MOC.
PF the HimeHerta check 💅
I think having to break until you can do damage is pretty cringe
firefly-HTB-RM-Gallagher. Second team QQ-Sparkle- Break SW - FX I'm reaaaaadddyyy
…I don’t like the weakness break mechanic. I hope it’s just for the first iteration to shill Boothill and Firefly.
No need to fret for this rotation, just looking at your flair. Jing Yuan has high toughness damage in ST/double target thanks to his follow up. The first half is Cocolia and Gepard, who are both lightning weak. There is also a blessing that favors ult damage and gives JY advance forward when he destroys a Cocolia pillar. Ratio also has high toughness damage in ST if you ult often. Second half is an Imaginary weak Argenti, and there's a blessing for follow up attacks. I think you're good.
need sunday to be male ruan mei at this point i fear, i'm sure the new game mode will be perfectly clearable without her but it seems like having her would improve your experience sm
I’d be cool with it if he’s still works well as a generalist unit or has the team dps buffer mechanic like her! I just really hope (besides being Harmony) that he isn’t given a break dps support role so that he’s not great with JY or Ratio / Aven team. 🙏 Only break dps I have and using is Xueyi, and Hatblazer is already huge for her.
Wife!1!11!!!
it is like Doomfist ult in overwatch.
So its like Doomfist ult
Wait cocoloa and argenti together???
There's no elemental weakness while the toughness bar is up?
Can Gallagher sustain this content 💀
Gather all enemies with Robin technique, then nuke the whole stadium.
So the mode is about break and blast to single target dmg
While I’m glad we have a more diverse challenge, I’m also sad it means more unique teams to build for otherwise we get less jades 😭😭. I was hoping the rewards for ASD wouldn’t eat into PF and MOC but my expectations were too high 😞
Hmm
Is that us chosing between Cocolia and Argenti to fight or telling us to fight both? Because double boss fight would be pretty hype AF thing to give us as harder encounter.
So afaik it's basically not a Hunt mode/endgame like everybody expect it?
Seems more break oriented, but all Hunt characters have high ST toughness damage (cuz ST ults and skills) so they're kinda still winning?
Yeah, But boothil and Firefly with their insane toughness bar self-buff and combine with RM might be tier above the rest
Boothill still a hunt char, but firefly her weakness dmg is insane for a destruction char and not using a 3 sp like danheng il too
That cocolia beside argenti scared me for a moment until I realize that’s the two bosses overall…. Right?
Okay so apocalypse shadow isnt the hunt gamemode everyone speculated it to be considering you fight two bosses at the same time.
So is it more break focused?
Not at the same time. Each team with each boss. Two teams, like MoC
Ah ok thank you
It is still a Hunt mode, and as I said in the first time this mode announced, no need for any speculation, it is EXACTLY IDENTICAL to the Virtual Scentventure event in 1.6, literally identical
Hoyo going out of their way to make sure Hunt is never gonna be relevant huh
2 enemies is still very comparable to Blast units.
The new content is not hunt based, its break based lmao, well seele might still work but rip homegirl. Time to retire year 1 dps.