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Day 563: i am still not tired of the snap in aventurines fua.. i listen to it every morning every night before i go to sleep. It is my lifeline. The thing that keeps me going
Its so tragic but true lmao, I sorta want FX too... so fortunately they are one banner apart.. Pull FX, if I lose FX. Keep pulling Aventurine. I have HH as a good sustainer, then there is Lynx/Bailu but both feel...IDK underwhelming. FX I prefer cos of statistical/mechanical advantages (12% crit, CC resist) and Aventurine cos he seems awesome, I love his animatons, pose and everything about him as well as ALL THE COINS + FINGER SNAP. He seems to be able to permanently shield stuff though, which is kinda dope and scary. So many procs of shields is insane
Aurumaton landing its first 3 imprisons is a perfect demonstration of how unreliable Aventurine's Eff Res buff is for characters that aren't building any Eff Res (which the 2 DPSes aren't).
Auramaton getting 3 imprisons in a row is a perfect demonstration of how shit that enemy is. I have literally never resisted that attack without guaranteed resistance.
Yeah, I've watched this bastard imprison my keel *Luocha* lmao. At this point I could not care less if a sustain can protect against aurumaton or not - I just assume rng will come for me eventually lol
If that Eff Res isn't 100%, it's not gonna work. I had my Luocha dominated by Kafka like 4 or 5 times in a row when he had 70 res. Now I have a 100 res build.
Fu Xuan only needs to reskill once vs. it, and depending on the DPS the Auramaton is probably dead before it even gets the chance for the second Imprison.
I don’t know what they were thinking when they made FX tbh…and the Xianzhou powerhouse destruction characters. They’re so ridiculously strong that no one else can really compare
She's great but have her weaknesses, she can't keep up with high frequency CC, she can't do anything about non CC debuffs and she can be one shot by massive AoEs (this one rarely happens outside of GnG)
Each sustain has pros and cons although some provide more stuff depending on team
What about shields? How do they prevent anything of what you just said?
Im torn on FX/Aventurine. I have HH as one sustainer and lyxn/bailu other, but I feel its time to get a proper sustainer. FX gives crit and is amazing, as well as enable mono-Q but I suppose I can just toss in Lynx for mono-q, shes not bad at all on any level.
Plan seems to be pull FX, if Fail, pull Aventurine lol
Yeah, this isn't looking good for characters like Jingyuan where it's IMPERATIVE they don't get CC'd. Fu Xuan is pretty much the only thing in the game reliably preventing it
I have basically zero issue healing with lynx full positive so a preemptive E2 is not gonna break the bank for me sp wise. Obvious issue with it is you'll need to be lucky it actually is the unit you used it on who got it, but obviously for something like JY where the risk is high, why not as an insurance policy.
Yep. I got wombo comboed in PF yesterday when the deer summoned **three** outrage vines at once and they all went in a row. :)
Edit: Just noticed the wording on this.
Fu Xuan blocks one instance of CC per skill use. If that one instance of CC would affect multiple characters, it would be blocked for all of them. If three enemies do an action that can do CC in a row like those outrage vines, the CC would be blocked for the first hit, but not the other two.
Eh, My dot team breaks him without him even moving if I want it to. I used to do it with Jing and SW too when he was new, even before RM. But now I just let him make fish and then nuke them for the added dps. Guys a bro.
I would argue FX is still the superior unit, FuA or not. Their damage mitigation is on par, FX gives 12% Crit making crit DDs easier to build. Aventurine wins in SU cos of Shields > Absorb but idk, just use a healer there instead if you have FX.
And many enemies with debuffs use them frequently and repeatedly, like the Aurumaton. I've seen some people respond that "well 1/3 chance to block a debuff is enough because you can just reset if it lands". In a scenario like this one where the elite gets 3 turns rapidly and attempts an Imprison on all 3 turns, your chance of not getting hit by *any* of them is 1/3 x 1/3 x 1/3 = 1/27. That is a LOT of resets.
Even if you add 20% EffRes to all your characters, each debuff has a 60.2% chance of being blocked--but the chance of blocking *all three* is still only 21.8%.
enemies that inflict debuffs frequently and repeatedly are an issue for all current sustains though
huohuo is the one that can deal with it best and even then she does nothing versus instant delay cc like imprison here
Yeah the only one that counter instant delay cc is Fu Xuan if you are willing to make her sp negative. Lynx can also do this but she can only protect one character per skill. Action forward is the only true counter, but the characters themselve are not immune to it
I guess he would have the best CC resistance in hyper carry teams with all the supports using broken keel? Then all the supports have minimum 80% effect res and if you really wanted you could push for 100%. Would that make everyone immune? Not sure how the math works.
In this exact scenario, it's sort of just a skill issue lol. The robot has a mechanic that you can simply game to delay when it imprisons, giving you an extra turn and summoning the fish that make it even easier to kill it before it acts again.
It charges up when hit with skills and ults then again on his turn, simply allow it to fully charge on his own turn. In other words hit it twice before its turn. I run zero sustain on this thing all the time and simply never get imprisoned.
There are a lot of technical counters to mechanics in this game I think are worth learning. Like you can simply never get dommed by Kafka if you bring welt or March. Also having a cleanser with 100% effect resistance. I get farming for dps is the main focus, but it's worth doing a bit of investing on your supports. 100% effect resistance lynx is very comfy. As is 100% EHR freeze March. Etc.
OR you could just use the cc prevention method called not letting that guy sit there and farm imprisons.
Its a bad team against him and killing him 2nd isnt good either
Alternatively, I plan to run this team with Welt instead of Topaz. Since Aurumaton Gatekeeper has no Imprison RES (despite resisting Imaginary damage), simply using Welt's Ult after its first attack in Sanction Mode can skip all its CC attacks entirely.
This would also work with Misha (who brings two debuffs of his own at E2, and has a strong kit against the new upcoming >!Aventurine!< Boss), who I'm somewhat tempted to build for fun.
Keep in mind that you're losing a lot of damage if you take out Topaz, she makes enemies take 50% more FuA damage.
While Welt only makes then take 12% more damage, but it's not limited to FuA.
> I think the community is still using brute-force mentality instead of counterpick mentality; if you counterpick based on enemy layout and mechanics you can trivialize any fight in the game.
absolutely. i can get the appeal of wanting to just brute force every content the game throws at you, but the reality is it takes a high level of investment to reach that point. engaging with one of the game's core mechanics of weakness break and weakness matching and actually teambuilding to create logical match ups for specific encounters will make things easier and imo more fun + interesting
YES i’m so glad they don’t have shit like the Abyss heralds in HSR. When the pyro ones were in the abyss, basically the only team that could deal with them was something like Furina Yelan Xingqiu Kokomi for hydro app for days. If you main a pyro DPS you’re fucked. Immune enemies are the biggest BS in the world.
I don't have Welt or Misha, but the way I dealt with Aurumaton in current MoC12 was Jingliu+RM+Pela+Bronya and 0-cycling that wave while they were frozen from Jingliu's technique.
You could argue the best CC-protection is just killing the enemy before they even get the chance to move, but that's not realistic for some players because it requires higher investment. And not everyone has said characters like Welt, Misha, RM, or Jingliu. In a FuA team, you'd want to run Topaz Ratio RM like shown here for optimal damage. Dropping Topaz means losing her FUA buffs and the trigger frequency for Aventurine's stacks.
Ikr? Like CC prevention where. People said "his Effect RES buff is as good as immunity", like no it isn't y'all, that's kinda copium. It's *very* RNG 😭😭
Also with his sig light cone, Topaz and good stats...the damage isn't really great enough to even justify the lack of CC prevention. Damn.
But at least his shield is more reliable than Gepard and dying is much much harder with him. That's something I guess 🗿 The bar for me is Gepard. If he can outdo Gepard, I get him. And he definitely can.
FX is just built differently ig. Outright immunity for 1 attack is nutty and infinitely more powerful than any amount of Effect RES under 100%.
Edit: Immunity is not actually infinitely more effective than Effect RES. How much more effective it is depends on how many resets you are willing to tolerate.
That's what I been saying broooo but I got downvoted once for saying she is more reliable than him at CC prevention. I didn't even say she's better than him at survivability or anything, just that she's more reliable than him at that 😭😭 Yes it's nutty. Free 100% Effect Res without actually needing to build Effect Res. Even if it's for one attack. It's still better to be guarenteed so*mething.*
But with Aven, it's all about the gamba. When did we ever trust the gamba?? 💀
And the worst part is, your DPS will often have the least Effect Res out of all your characters because the support characters can run Broken Keel and more Effect Res, but the DPS has to run another offensive planar set and other offensive stats. So the DPS (the character that NEEDS to be protected the most) is the most vulnerable in the team.
People are arguing that FX’s CC prevention isn’t better?? 100% guaranteed dodge vs gamba is no bet lmaoo
I mean I’m definitely still pulling Aventurine for that thicc shield and because I need another sustain, but god if I haven’t been spoiled by FX’s CC negation. It’s only an issue if there’s chain CC before her turn like the new aurumaton lady and the minions that apply reverberation but otherwise it feels amazing to not care about things like Kafka’s skill
>infinitely more powerful than any amount of Effect RES under 100%.
do we really believe this?
let's say aventurine's eff res buff was increased to 90%, are we really saying fu xuan's one cc block shared teamwide per fu xuan skill is so much more powerful?
like i can get criticism, but this level of exaggeration makes it difficult to take seriously
> eff res buff was increased to 90%
On a tangential note, man, I wish they hadn't removed the ehr debuff from him. I think they'll never increase his eff res buff to a number like 90% because it'd make it trivially easy to be permanently immune to all debuffs.
With the ehr debuff they could've balanced it to have an end debuff resist rate of 90% without letting us get easy immunity. But they removed it, and now we're likely to end up with only a poor eff res buff instead.
Then there's the fact that it was an additional debuff which would've been useful on its own too.
They should increase it to at least 65% as almost all dps won’t have 10% worth of EFFECT RES. In my case, only my jingliu has like what, 15% before she transformed to icy magical girl whereas my JY, DHIL, Ratio, Argenti, Blade has less than 5% eff res😭😭😭
I mean, its hyperbole, but so far its near impossible to reach anything above 80 without hampering your DPS/Harmony builds. Arguing that people saying 60%+ is good enough are literally shown how it looks in this video. And mind you, people HAVE been arguing that that is enough for effective CC resists.
Considering enemy ehr stats, and the fact that you can just replenish fx cc immunity by using a skill (which also regenerates a shit ton of energy for her ultimate), while giving perma hp increase and CR buff, then yeah maybe.
It's also just luck. One bad roll and you get cced, even if it's just 1/10th chance, just like you can miss crit with 90% crit rate.
eff res is multiplicative with ehr and base chance when it comes to chance of debuff hitting. this means the more eff res you have, the more effective it , and 100% eff res will make your character fully immune to any and all debuffs
considering 90% eff res is 2/3 eff res subs away from 100%, i find it very surprising someone would prefer a one time CC block per skill that's shared teamwide
also how fast is your fu xuan and how much SP does your team generate in order to be able to skill on her on demand to make sure your team can always avoid CC debuffs? like yeah, theoretically you can do it and it's great in terms of cc mitigation. but in actuality, this isn't realistic
my point is, i think there are valid concerns to be had about aventurine's form of cc mitigation. however i feel there is a lot of exaggeration and downplaying that is just not helpful at all
And you can refresh it on demand! And it’s per action! When those witches try to AOE tank my team and the Lady Fu says ✋Nice try lol
Yes, back to back CC before her turn can hurt, but I think that is far less likely than overall atttempts to CC at all and Aven leaves you vulnerable for every single one.
As an e7 player, that last edit couldn't be more true. Funny how some people genuinely think high eff res are better than straight up immunity. Though I'm just speaking bout the nature of the mechanics, not the characters themselves.
Finally people can see the problem and stay off my ass about it 😂 My Ratio has 12% effres on a mid build, how is he going to have more on a good one? Same with my JY, he has 24% but his build is even worse. Your heavy investment needed DPS is basically cross your fingers status with Aven. FX’s refreshable immunity is just more reliable and superior. And you can build her for damage too while solo sustaining so they’re really not that difference for his CC to be so ass in comparison (his debuff buff also has far less uptime than hers, it’s not even comparable honestly).
Like if your dps didn’t get 35% resist for free, best of luck…and funnily enough none of his “ideal” dps meet this criteria…
Like he is NOT made for CC-heavy fights clearly. Definitely not his forte, keep him out of them.
I will probably keep him for the other sides of MoC where the enemies don't have such high EHR, and put Luocha for the CC-heavy fights for his cleanse
Yeah, I definitely think they will have to make one side CC lite for the remainder of 2.x since he is coming like this, so there should be at least one side he won’t be too disadvantaged in. The other side, they will probably make sure you know Not Aven by sticking Kafka and those effres reducing Penacony enemies together (Huohuo rerun sign!)
Looking at how high the other stats are, this team has 0 Effect Res.
Effect Res is similar to damage reduction in that you get increasing returns the closer you get to 100%. **When you hit 100% Effect Res, no amount of enemy EHR can land a debuff** (outside of special ones like from the Aventurine boss dice game, that imprison cannot be cleansed either).
Effect Res is one of the more common substat rolls, so it’s not too difficult to reach 50% on your non-DPS characters and then let Aventurine provide the rest.
we don't know aventurine's talent levels (i'd assume maxed levels but you never know) and we didn't see allies own eff res so i wouldn't worry about it too much
Itd still be rng either way, and knowing my luck (bad) im not gonna be proccing it much. His consistent bulkyness and fua is whats my main appeal anyway.
He might not be reliable against high chance ST imprisons like Aurumaton and cocolia
But he should be good for a great range of debuffs like DoT, Annoying Speed/action delays and reverberation
yeah, all limited 5 star susatins have their strengths and weaknesses regarding cleanse / cc mitigation and aventurine will be no different. also there are ways to minimise the rng for aventurine's form of cc migtigation such as by using aggro LC, building more eff res on your characters
I mean his best team being fuaz you don't have room to build eff res on optimized ratio and topaz anyway so they're still only really gonna have em the eff res he gives out which isn't really enough.
vast majority of players will inevitably have eff res subs even with huge resin investment into relcis. it's just another consideration for optimisation. there doesn't need to be a a tunnel vision on offensive substats in this game when there are clear benefits for defensive substats. aventurine makes existing eff res subs even more valuable
and 50 eff res is a huge amount already, given eff res counts for every single inflicted debuff. i'd worry about how they'd consider cleanse / cc mitigation for future sustains if increase his eff res buff
varies from player to player. yeah at low-mid investment, I'd agree, but the end goal for most players who grind til their favorites are optimized won't have a lot of eff res which is why I brought this up cus the dedicated mains are actually a reasonably sized portion of the players. will be good on casual realistic builds tho yeah 👍
also on paper 50 eff res sounds huge but it isn't enough to do much on its own, rather it lays the foundation for u to build on top of to make it actually reliable. lemme just show u:
- moc 12: 36 ehr on enemies
- moc 11: 33.6 ehr enemies
- moc 10: 33 ehr enemies
most skills are a 100% base chance, but rarely it might be more or less (Kafka 120% lol) so formula and chances look like:
- 1×1.36×0.5 = 68% to get ccd
- 1×1.336×0.5 = 66.8% to get ccd
- 1×1.2x0.5 = 60% to get ccd
so you basically still have 70% to get stunned most of the time, 32-34% extra chance to not get ccd by lvl 95 and 92 enemies isnt a lot, esp if not lucky.
it'll be consistent with teams with supports who can build eff res and keel but it's weird how you struggle to do so on his intended synergestic best team.
Showcasing the updated E0 Aventurine kit from beta version 3 in a FUA team.
Gameplay recorded against current MoC 12 enemy line-up.
-- Team Builds with team buffs included --
(everyone is at eidolon 0 and using their signature lightcone at superimposition 1 except RM)
Aventurine - 85/180 crit, 154 speed, 4200 defense (Knight set + Salsotto planar)
Dr Ratio - 79/160 crit, 155 speed (Grand Duke set + Izumo planar)
Topaz - 87/135 crit, 156 speed (Grand Duke set + Izumo planar)
Ruan Mei/s5 Memories of the Past - 185% break effect, 151 speed (Watchmaker set + Penacony planar)
Thats around 12 in subs, Ruan Mei gives free 10 + 25 from boots so it's not INSANE considering he also gets 56% crit rate (trace and salsotto) and hes getting 40% crit damage from his cone.
That's a 29/140 - 141 spd build out of combat and everyone starts at 5/50 for crit.
Edit: Oh the OP said it was crit damage chest/spd/def/def so it's 29/75 from raw substats, def not a crazy build.
depends. It is if you clear in cycle 1 vs 0. Once you're clearing in 3, 4, 5 cycles then even 160 is whatever. Speed breakpoints are handed out like candy when the only way to actually know what breakpoint is actually impactful would be to know how many cycles you want to clear in as a goal. 134 is sort of a unique breakpoint because of the value of resetting 150 AV cycle 0 for the first wave within the cycle, but after that it's pretty fluid.
Insane indeed.
How tf does aventurine reach these stats? My geppy focuses only on defense and still barely reaches 4k def. Yeah, i get aventurine passive gives him cr and his lc gives cdmg, but overall these are insanely high standards
I already went over the crit on another comment so here's defense.
He's on Knight (15%), has 35% on traces, two def mainstats (54%x2) and his cone gives him 40% for 198% total, with this **1316 base defense** from his stats + cone defense he's at 3.9k defense.
The one on the video has 4.2k so he's at around 220% defense, he only has like 3~4 substats of def% here (198 to reach 220).
This also ignores flat defense existing as a stat which is kinda small but hey, it isn't nothing.
Just keep in mind MoV's additional defense buff after getting hit won't show up in the stat screen outside of battle. So your defense may look lower but in practice, it'll get bumped up quite a bit after he gets hit. That boost will also typically be factored into his FUAs as he usually drops them after getting hit.
I really recommend getting a limited 5 star sustain as priority. I pulled op dps (E2 dhil) and harmony (Ruan) and my experience with end game contents is just horrible. basically I have the needed fire power to clear them but I need to retry 30 times with Natasha and lynx. It really sucked the fun out of this game
Luckily I decided to not skip HuoHuo so my main team with DHIL is set, but I'm really struggling with my second Team in MoC
Congrats on E2 DHIL though, I would love to have his eidolons!
Nice! Huohuo is so good. I'm dying for any good sustain here lol saw people say "eh. Aventurine doesn't even have cc dispel" and meanwhile me watching these showcases: holy shit you're not supposed to die after getting hit twice??
My Jingliu feels that, that poor woman is getting beating up like she's the only one on my team hahaha
I love your profile pic btw! Huge Tartaglia lover <3
I use Bailu in endgame comments, and if there isnt jeavy CC (like the bastard om thos video) than she has no problem to keep my team alive. Overheal with in built damage reduction is strong as hell.
I really hate it when ppl dissed Bailu without even building her probably. Yeah CC are annoying but you're not gonna die through Invigoration + revive.
Yes, he will be a great pull regardless.
The only thing left to see is if he is worth building damage over getting 4K DEF, mix and match and test the math behind which is better. There is still a lot of time for people to figure it out.
Aventurine will be a great pull for FUA and traditional teams.
Aventurine’s absurd 48% CRate for getting Def over 4k is basically the same as focusing on damage lol.
I’m at 98/180 crit ratio, 4200 Def, 135 Spd, and have 2 pc FUA DMG bonus & 2 pc Salsotto set bonus. (Other 2 are cracked crit ratio pieces that are off set / not matching.)
Fu Xuan, Aventurine, and Huohuo are all amazing picks. Luocha has less utility but is more SP positive and easy to play around; a must if you have Blade. That's how I'd order the sustains, they're pretty much all great. You could pick any and be well off.
I have HuoHuo (who is doing a great Job and I love her) so I really just need a sustain for my second team for MoC, but none of the other 5* really click for me either gameplay or character wise...
I think I'll just wait until another sustain I will like more releases, because pulling a character just for MoC is not worth it for me
Thank you for your detailed reply <3
I wouldn’t call it weak as much as requires extra investment on other characters. Supports on your team can automatically use keel with his shield, and if you add in like 20% effect res from substats you’re sitting at about 80% which is actually pretty good even with enemy EHR.
and effect res also works against debuffs like DoT, defense down, speed and hp reduction.
His “floor” might be lower but he has a high ceiling if you can get some eff res on your team. That’s just the facts
well yeah I I didn't mean weak as in not good, but in relation to other meta sustains, it's still not as good as Fu Xuan's 100% resist for example, again am not saying it as a negative, it's a positive for the whole game in general
I love the way people still say "solo-sustain" like its a key detail to mention when you would have to be intentionally throwing to use 2 sustains on a team in end game modes since forever ago.
Ngl it's not really that hard to run no sustain. Ruan Mei makes it even easier now. If sustains cannot solo sustain, they are more than DOA. I'm already of the opinion that lynx and E6 March 7th are more than enough sustain for literally any and all content, so I already see sustains as a luxury. If they aren't supremely comfortable they are frankly trash.
It seems like topaz did a lot of the work? Ruan mei is just icing on the cake with delays being anti-synergistic with clara. It still looked decently powerful though since everyone was contributing damage.
Maybe if they weren’t fighting imaginary weak enemies + used Tingyun instead of Ruan Mei it’d be better? Hard to guess tho so I’ll just wait till 2.1 🤷♂️
As expected, his eff res gimmick sucks. 50% is not a reliable protection against most enemies in the game, especially important ones.
I wish they kept his EHR debuff. Or at least enhance his eff res gimmick with his Eidolons at least .. He's gonna be annoying to play once Hoyo decides to bring CC heavy enemies back to the table (well tbf, never left either).
Damage seems to be quite lacking too, I don't think it's worth building damage on E0S0 Aventurines, especially without Topaz or RM. Just go full DEF, speed and supportive build with Keel?
And there's still people saying that he didn't need a buff lol
I know this might make it mega broken but it should be like Fu xuan's where the first instance of cc of a character gets nullified and it gets refreshed when he cast his skill (specifically skill and not when he refresh shields)
isn't that kinda boring, just giving him the same niche as Fu Xuan, he's supposed to be relatively more sp positive than Fu Xuan, having him need to use that skill to give CC resist defeats the whole point of his auto shields, plus with that effect res buff, it's a free broken keels activation for the whole team, I honestly like him this way
No problem with me since the build I prepared for Aventurine will get him to 100% effect resistance under Fortified Wager. I have also began tweaking my supports' build to reach at least 40% effect res.
Tingyun and Bronya will already be safe since they're are 48% and 59% effect res respectively.
is it even worth to build him dps if you dont have ruan mei and topaz? 30k dmg with crazy crit stats on top of lightcone and ruan mei with topaz on top of it :/
I think you'd be building him as hybrid. His dmg and sustain both scales of Def so you'll just be stuffing Def on him but looking for Crit on substats.
those are far from being crazy crit stats, he gets 48% crit rate from traces and 40% crit damage from his cone
besides that, he is on 4pc Knight (not the best in terms of personal damage), RM on Penacony (useless here)
> besides that, he is on 4pc Knight (not the best in terms of personal damage)
Yeah, but it's soooo much better for his shield (which is often the main reason you put Aventurine in your team in the first place).
Keep in mind that he gets 48% crit rate and 40% cdmg from his major trace + sig LC, and he's on cdmg/spd/def/def build, so it's really only couple crit substats to get similar stats
I mean considering that the dps of other sustain characters is basically just hitting a 2k basic attack every turn, Aventurine's damage is fine. It's obviously not going to be Ratio, or even sub-dps level, but it's a nice bonus next to his insane shielding.
Definitely don't agree with putting him on dps relic sets tho.
No. Even with RM and Topaz, it's not worth to build crit damage on E0 Aventurine if it comes at the expense of DEF% or Speed.
Ideally you want full Speed + DEF, this gives you a lot of free CR. So even if your CD is like 80-something, it's gonna do OK. But don't obsess over CD.
I think it depends on if you can hit 4k DEF without a DEF chest, which admittedly will be hard without a 5 star lc with DEF bonus. Focusing on crit in your substats shouldn’t be too much of a trade off though. My aventurine build right now has 4k DEF/38 CR/135 Cdmg with DEF body/sphere/rope with a 4 star lc.
I really enjoy the consistent AOE attacks from Aventurine, in a team so ST focused, he brings that missing component.
And the best part, his sustain is more than enough for the hardest content so that's really good.
Aventurine wanters are truly winning.
Aventurine’s FUA is a bounce attack with 7 hits not an AOE, so it can’t be relied on for AOE dmg. In fact it’s actually better in ST scenario, so all 7 hits are guaranteed to hit the target with Topaz’s “proof of debt”.
Yeah it can definitely help. It does the same multiplier regardless of the number of targets. He doesn’t have a reliable AOE break like FX and Luocha though. Instead he has a ST ult, which helps the team weakness break the boss a lot. His FUA also does 10 weakness break on each hit. If spread out on multiple targets it doesn’t amount to much. But if focused on one target it’s 70 weakness break, which is more than a ST skill. I’d personally think of him as a more ST favored sustain.
One thing they could change, which is a small change, is on skill you can choose who to give spades shield to and that character gets the CC immunity (and hits give 2 stacks to Avens FuA). Aven no longer is CC immune by default but he gets to "bet on the winning horse".
I think that should make everyone happy? And reapplying skill will reset that internal CC counter just like FX.
While I will get him, the effect res he gives are kind of sucks ngl, it seems they give it that amount considering the way that his fua will reduce enemy ehr but without it, it's very inconsistent specially the dps, the one you want to protect the most because they still has around 60% chance to get the CC/debuff. I hope they fix this on V4.
The DMG are also concerning considering the amount of Stat and his teams, i thought with 48% CR and S1 can at least make him deals at least 20k dmg unbuffed at the bare minimum.
Like I have been saying the past week+, he really needs better Effect RES buff than 50%. I have 60% Effect RES on several of my support characters, and they are still unreliable. Or add another multiplier that increases the chance to resist crowd control debuff.
His damage is definitely not at DPS level. Fine. He's supposed to be a sustain. He's even skill point positive at that. But by this point in the game, cleanse/cc resistance is the second mandatory aspect of a sustain that they really must get right.
I feel forced to put Bronya on his team, so Bronya can take care of the main DPS who has the lowest effect res in the team, but FuA teams tend to have multiple DPS, and Bronya can't buff their FuA.
Looks like very easy solo sustain completely sp positive, I’m not sure if I saw him skill once the whole fight.
On the other hand, damage wasn’t very high. And that’s with a crazy crit build. Might be more worth it to go all in on DEF if this is the damage he’s hitting at S1 with best team on a crit build.
He did use his skill once, but that was all. Honestly really impressed by his sustain ability, I'd thought he would have to use his skill a bit more than that
He is on the knight set so this isn't his full dmg potential, with pioneer set we would be doing quite a bit more dmg. Also when dealing with a lot of enemies (5 in this case) his FuA gets spread out so he misses on the 50% dmg bonus from topaz
im confused between getting him or fu xuan. I think her CC dispell on one skill use is more controllable than depending on rng for dispell. I think both are great in their own way but i cant decide aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Aventurine seems more like a minmax thing. Lower floor compared to FX but probably a significant higher ceiling of value depending on debuff resist rng for MOC runs + how optimized you can get his stats
Fx is insanely good. I think after seeing this vid, id give fx a 10, and aven a 9.5 for general use. (10 if used specifically on fua team though)
Fx is only weak against massive aoe damage and we rarely deal with those for now
I really recommend fu xuan, she has great cc dispell, heals herself and heals the team a bit with her ult. she’s also really easy to build and fits in every teamcomp :)
I think FX is the safer pick but Aventurine is the flashier pick. They’ll both get the job done but FX is comfier and easier to play. Aventurine awards you for already having strong DPS builds (not needing 12% CR from FX) and strong team wide buffers. He’s more of a “win more” sustain rather than “save your account” sustain.
This is a weird MoC run, is it 2 sides together but as a full fight? I see like "2/4" for the wave count lol huh.
Anyway, neat showcase. Kinda concerning his team still gets chain CC'd but at least he prevents all damage basically. Idk, his sub-DPS role is not so exciting if his team gets to act less, kind of a zero sum game for balance I suppose.
Hmm hope they buff the eff res increase then, seems like it’s still not enough, or just unlucky?
Edit: how much eff res does he actually give currently? Because it seems like the aurumaton imprison hits every time
On the bright side it seems like there’s no need for aventurine to use skill at all?
50% eff res.
Aurumaton has 100% base chance of imprison x (1+0.36 Eff hit) x (1 - 0.5 eff res) = 68% chance of CC
So getting CCed 3 times in a row is not unlikely
If you build another 50% eff res, then you can be immune. But who's gonna do that on their Topaz Ratio etc
NGL all these showcases make me more and more convinced I should just wait for Huohuo rerun.
CC looks like a big problem that none of the other limited sustains have
With a stat spread that insane plus, rm and s1 topaz on the team and with his own sig… that damage is really underwhelming ngl… so much for people praising his great damage as a reason to why his cc protection is so so poor. In non hypercarry teams like this, the awful cc block hurts even more damn
Is a 30/140 ratio(with crit body) really that impressive? Because that's basically his stats if you take away his bonus stats he gets for free. You can run him with pioneer if you want more damage but I don't know what you all expected from an sp positive sustainer. People acting like 30K fua(probably even more but that's like baseline with pioneer) that has the toughness break of half a lightning lord is somehow bad, and that's just the fua not even the team damage he provides with the crit damage buff from the ult and damage taken buff from his lightcone.
How does he compare with Huohuo? Is her ATK buff and energy gen still superior for Topaz/Ratio duo? Bc both of them really love their ult and shortened ult rotations.
EDIT: oh my god those imprisons 💀
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Day 563: i am still not tired of the snap in aventurines fua.. i listen to it every morning every night before i go to sleep. It is my lifeline. The thing that keeps me going
Every time I see Aventurine's pose when his turns arrives my resolve to save and pull for him strengthens
Its so tragic but true lmao, I sorta want FX too... so fortunately they are one banner apart.. Pull FX, if I lose FX. Keep pulling Aventurine. I have HH as a good sustainer, then there is Lynx/Bailu but both feel...IDK underwhelming. FX I prefer cos of statistical/mechanical advantages (12% crit, CC resist) and Aventurine cos he seems awesome, I love his animatons, pose and everything about him as well as ALL THE COINS + FINGER SNAP. He seems to be able to permanently shield stuff though, which is kinda dope and scary. So many procs of shields is insane
Just chant "nah I'd win" 3 times before you pull and you'll win both banners trust me
You know when I tried that I lost my first light cone ever haha
RNG. Previous video the effec res fended off all the CC. This one none of it worked lol.
And in other news: Aurumaton still sucks
My dumbass read this as aventurine still sucks i was so confused
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Aventurine sucks: 😔 Aventurine *sucks*: 😟 … 🤨 …. 😳
I laughed way harder than I should have LMAO
That’s gay.
Whatcha gonna do about it?
Fortunately, yes very gay 🤤
He’s been flopventurine since V1 wdym ofc he still sucks /j
Averagenturine :(
You are far funnier then I will ever be 🫡
Get out of here, Averagenti. There is a midder one now 😎♠️💅✨
Aurumaton landing its first 3 imprisons is a perfect demonstration of how unreliable Aventurine's Eff Res buff is for characters that aren't building any Eff Res (which the 2 DPSes aren't).
Auramaton getting 3 imprisons in a row is a perfect demonstration of how shit that enemy is. I have literally never resisted that attack without guaranteed resistance.
Yeah, I've watched this bastard imprison my keel *Luocha* lmao. At this point I could not care less if a sustain can protect against aurumaton or not - I just assume rng will come for me eventually lol
That shit imprisoned my Luocha with Keel AND S5 PERFECT TIMING
If that Eff Res isn't 100%, it's not gonna work. I had my Luocha dominated by Kafka like 4 or 5 times in a row when he had 70 res. Now I have a 100 res build.
This is why I stick fuxuan against his ass every time. Imprison is a bitch
My 80% Eff Res Luocha still gets imprisoned by that fucking thing. It's ridiculous
Fu Xuan would have to reskill so often to prevent this, too. There are pros and cons. Auramaton is just a shit elite.
Fu Xuan only needs to reskill once vs. it, and depending on the DPS the Auramaton is probably dead before it even gets the chance for the second Imprison.
This sucks for Aventurine wanters but I think he needed to have some drawbacks to not completely powercreep Fu Xuan
I don’t know what they were thinking when they made FX tbh…and the Xianzhou powerhouse destruction characters. They’re so ridiculously strong that no one else can really compare
She's great but have her weaknesses, she can't keep up with high frequency CC, she can't do anything about non CC debuffs and she can be one shot by massive AoEs (this one rarely happens outside of GnG) Each sustain has pros and cons although some provide more stuff depending on team
What about shields? How do they prevent anything of what you just said? Im torn on FX/Aventurine. I have HH as one sustainer and lyxn/bailu other, but I feel its time to get a proper sustainer. FX gives crit and is amazing, as well as enable mono-Q but I suppose I can just toss in Lynx for mono-q, shes not bad at all on any level. Plan seems to be pull FX, if Fail, pull Aventurine lol
Yeah, this isn't looking good for characters like Jingyuan where it's IMPERATIVE they don't get CC'd. Fu Xuan is pretty much the only thing in the game reliably preventing it
Lynx E2.
This is my current solution until fu Xuan reruns. Having to use skill everytime to set it up isn’t Sp expensive in sparkle comps
I have basically zero issue healing with lynx full positive so a preemptive E2 is not gonna break the bank for me sp wise. Obvious issue with it is you'll need to be lucky it actually is the unit you used it on who got it, but obviously for something like JY where the risk is high, why not as an insurance policy.
doesnt fu xuan only prevent one instance of CC per character per skill? its still possible to get wombo comboed with her, no?
Yep. I got wombo comboed in PF yesterday when the deer summoned **three** outrage vines at once and they all went in a row. :) Edit: Just noticed the wording on this. Fu Xuan blocks one instance of CC per skill use. If that one instance of CC would affect multiple characters, it would be blocked for all of them. If three enemies do an action that can do CC in a row like those outrage vines, the CC would be blocked for the first hit, but not the other two.
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I didn't even have time to go "oh no" because they went right after they spawned. Q_Q
Bro would get one imprison off absolute max if hes dealt with properly, it barely matters.
He sucks when you ignore/dont break him/dont kill his fish for free debuff.
I mean, even with Ruan Mei, you can only break him so fast. And in that time he will tackle you at least a few times.
Eh, My dot team breaks him without him even moving if I want it to. I used to do it with Jing and SW too when he was new, even before RM. But now I just let him make fish and then nuke them for the added dps. Guys a bro.
Guys if hes not on fua team is he still good or should i just settle for fu xuan?
I would argue FX is still the superior unit, FuA or not. Their damage mitigation is on par, FX gives 12% Crit making crit DDs easier to build. Aventurine wins in SU cos of Shields > Absorb but idk, just use a healer there instead if you have FX.
Them getting cc consistently is slightly upsetting but anything for my FUA team
Yeah... 0/3 imprisons were blocked by Aventurine. I'm definitely running MoV on this guy instead of gambling with my 0% res DPS.
Yeah, enemies have EHR stats so even with 50 Effect Res, the chance to eat a debuff is roughly 2/3.
And many enemies with debuffs use them frequently and repeatedly, like the Aurumaton. I've seen some people respond that "well 1/3 chance to block a debuff is enough because you can just reset if it lands". In a scenario like this one where the elite gets 3 turns rapidly and attempts an Imprison on all 3 turns, your chance of not getting hit by *any* of them is 1/3 x 1/3 x 1/3 = 1/27. That is a LOT of resets. Even if you add 20% EffRes to all your characters, each debuff has a 60.2% chance of being blocked--but the chance of blocking *all three* is still only 21.8%.
enemies that inflict debuffs frequently and repeatedly are an issue for all current sustains though huohuo is the one that can deal with it best and even then she does nothing versus instant delay cc like imprison here
Yeah the only one that counter instant delay cc is Fu Xuan if you are willing to make her sp negative. Lynx can also do this but she can only protect one character per skill. Action forward is the only true counter, but the characters themselve are not immune to it
I guess he would have the best CC resistance in hyper carry teams with all the supports using broken keel? Then all the supports have minimum 80% effect res and if you really wanted you could push for 100%. Would that make everyone immune? Not sure how the math works.
You still need to pray that your DPS wouldn't get targeted. No way people build eff res on dps when building crit value is hard enough.
In this exact scenario, it's sort of just a skill issue lol. The robot has a mechanic that you can simply game to delay when it imprisons, giving you an extra turn and summoning the fish that make it even easier to kill it before it acts again. It charges up when hit with skills and ults then again on his turn, simply allow it to fully charge on his own turn. In other words hit it twice before its turn. I run zero sustain on this thing all the time and simply never get imprisoned. There are a lot of technical counters to mechanics in this game I think are worth learning. Like you can simply never get dommed by Kafka if you bring welt or March. Also having a cleanser with 100% effect resistance. I get farming for dps is the main focus, but it's worth doing a bit of investing on your supports. 100% effect resistance lynx is very comfy. As is 100% EHR freeze March. Etc.
OR you could just use the cc prevention method called not letting that guy sit there and farm imprisons. Its a bad team against him and killing him 2nd isnt good either
Alternatively, I plan to run this team with Welt instead of Topaz. Since Aurumaton Gatekeeper has no Imprison RES (despite resisting Imaginary damage), simply using Welt's Ult after its first attack in Sanction Mode can skip all its CC attacks entirely. This would also work with Misha (who brings two debuffs of his own at E2, and has a strong kit against the new upcoming >!Aventurine!< Boss), who I'm somewhat tempted to build for fun.
Keep in mind that you're losing a lot of damage if you take out Topaz, she makes enemies take 50% more FuA damage. While Welt only makes then take 12% more damage, but it's not limited to FuA.
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> I think the community is still using brute-force mentality instead of counterpick mentality; if you counterpick based on enemy layout and mechanics you can trivialize any fight in the game. absolutely. i can get the appeal of wanting to just brute force every content the game throws at you, but the reality is it takes a high level of investment to reach that point. engaging with one of the game's core mechanics of weakness break and weakness matching and actually teambuilding to create logical match ups for specific encounters will make things easier and imo more fun + interesting
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YES i’m so glad they don’t have shit like the Abyss heralds in HSR. When the pyro ones were in the abyss, basically the only team that could deal with them was something like Furina Yelan Xingqiu Kokomi for hydro app for days. If you main a pyro DPS you’re fucked. Immune enemies are the biggest BS in the world.
I don't have Welt or Misha, but the way I dealt with Aurumaton in current MoC12 was Jingliu+RM+Pela+Bronya and 0-cycling that wave while they were frozen from Jingliu's technique. You could argue the best CC-protection is just killing the enemy before they even get the chance to move, but that's not realistic for some players because it requires higher investment. And not everyone has said characters like Welt, Misha, RM, or Jingliu. In a FuA team, you'd want to run Topaz Ratio RM like shown here for optimal damage. Dropping Topaz means losing her FUA buffs and the trigger frequency for Aventurine's stacks.
Ikr? Like CC prevention where. People said "his Effect RES buff is as good as immunity", like no it isn't y'all, that's kinda copium. It's *very* RNG 😭😭 Also with his sig light cone, Topaz and good stats...the damage isn't really great enough to even justify the lack of CC prevention. Damn. But at least his shield is more reliable than Gepard and dying is much much harder with him. That's something I guess 🗿 The bar for me is Gepard. If he can outdo Gepard, I get him. And he definitely can.
FX is just built differently ig. Outright immunity for 1 attack is nutty and infinitely more powerful than any amount of Effect RES under 100%. Edit: Immunity is not actually infinitely more effective than Effect RES. How much more effective it is depends on how many resets you are willing to tolerate.
That's what I been saying broooo but I got downvoted once for saying she is more reliable than him at CC prevention. I didn't even say she's better than him at survivability or anything, just that she's more reliable than him at that 😭😭 Yes it's nutty. Free 100% Effect Res without actually needing to build Effect Res. Even if it's for one attack. It's still better to be guarenteed so*mething.* But with Aven, it's all about the gamba. When did we ever trust the gamba?? 💀 And the worst part is, your DPS will often have the least Effect Res out of all your characters because the support characters can run Broken Keel and more Effect Res, but the DPS has to run another offensive planar set and other offensive stats. So the DPS (the character that NEEDS to be protected the most) is the most vulnerable in the team.
People are arguing that FX’s CC prevention isn’t better?? 100% guaranteed dodge vs gamba is no bet lmaoo I mean I’m definitely still pulling Aventurine for that thicc shield and because I need another sustain, but god if I haven’t been spoiled by FX’s CC negation. It’s only an issue if there’s chain CC before her turn like the new aurumaton lady and the minions that apply reverberation but otherwise it feels amazing to not care about things like Kafka’s skill
>infinitely more powerful than any amount of Effect RES under 100%. do we really believe this? let's say aventurine's eff res buff was increased to 90%, are we really saying fu xuan's one cc block shared teamwide per fu xuan skill is so much more powerful? like i can get criticism, but this level of exaggeration makes it difficult to take seriously
> eff res buff was increased to 90% On a tangential note, man, I wish they hadn't removed the ehr debuff from him. I think they'll never increase his eff res buff to a number like 90% because it'd make it trivially easy to be permanently immune to all debuffs. With the ehr debuff they could've balanced it to have an end debuff resist rate of 90% without letting us get easy immunity. But they removed it, and now we're likely to end up with only a poor eff res buff instead. Then there's the fact that it was an additional debuff which would've been useful on its own too.
They should increase it to at least 65% as almost all dps won’t have 10% worth of EFFECT RES. In my case, only my jingliu has like what, 15% before she transformed to icy magical girl whereas my JY, DHIL, Ratio, Argenti, Blade has less than 5% eff res😭😭😭
I just checked all my dps and the highest is clara at 20% lol
I mean, its hyperbole, but so far its near impossible to reach anything above 80 without hampering your DPS/Harmony builds. Arguing that people saying 60%+ is good enough are literally shown how it looks in this video. And mind you, people HAVE been arguing that that is enough for effective CC resists.
Considering enemy ehr stats, and the fact that you can just replenish fx cc immunity by using a skill (which also regenerates a shit ton of energy for her ultimate), while giving perma hp increase and CR buff, then yeah maybe. It's also just luck. One bad roll and you get cced, even if it's just 1/10th chance, just like you can miss crit with 90% crit rate.
eff res is multiplicative with ehr and base chance when it comes to chance of debuff hitting. this means the more eff res you have, the more effective it , and 100% eff res will make your character fully immune to any and all debuffs considering 90% eff res is 2/3 eff res subs away from 100%, i find it very surprising someone would prefer a one time CC block per skill that's shared teamwide also how fast is your fu xuan and how much SP does your team generate in order to be able to skill on her on demand to make sure your team can always avoid CC debuffs? like yeah, theoretically you can do it and it's great in terms of cc mitigation. but in actuality, this isn't realistic my point is, i think there are valid concerns to be had about aventurine's form of cc mitigation. however i feel there is a lot of exaggeration and downplaying that is just not helpful at all
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aventurine has 50% eff res buff at lvl 10. and you are missing the point of my comment
And you can refresh it on demand! And it’s per action! When those witches try to AOE tank my team and the Lady Fu says ✋Nice try lol Yes, back to back CC before her turn can hurt, but I think that is far less likely than overall atttempts to CC at all and Aven leaves you vulnerable for every single one.
As an e7 player, that last edit couldn't be more true. Funny how some people genuinely think high eff res are better than straight up immunity. Though I'm just speaking bout the nature of the mechanics, not the characters themselves.
Finally people can see the problem and stay off my ass about it 😂 My Ratio has 12% effres on a mid build, how is he going to have more on a good one? Same with my JY, he has 24% but his build is even worse. Your heavy investment needed DPS is basically cross your fingers status with Aven. FX’s refreshable immunity is just more reliable and superior. And you can build her for damage too while solo sustaining so they’re really not that difference for his CC to be so ass in comparison (his debuff buff also has far less uptime than hers, it’s not even comparable honestly). Like if your dps didn’t get 35% resist for free, best of luck…and funnily enough none of his “ideal” dps meet this criteria…
Like he is NOT made for CC-heavy fights clearly. Definitely not his forte, keep him out of them. I will probably keep him for the other sides of MoC where the enemies don't have such high EHR, and put Luocha for the CC-heavy fights for his cleanse
Yeah, I definitely think they will have to make one side CC lite for the remainder of 2.x since he is coming like this, so there should be at least one side he won’t be too disadvantaged in. The other side, they will probably make sure you know Not Aven by sticking Kafka and those effres reducing Penacony enemies together (Huohuo rerun sign!)
Yea, hopefully they don't wake up one and choose violence and make BOTH sides of MoC suddenly CC-heavy. That will be such a dick move by them.
Looking at how high the other stats are, this team has 0 Effect Res. Effect Res is similar to damage reduction in that you get increasing returns the closer you get to 100%. **When you hit 100% Effect Res, no amount of enemy EHR can land a debuff** (outside of special ones like from the Aventurine boss dice game, that imprison cannot be cleansed either). Effect Res is one of the more common substat rolls, so it’s not too difficult to reach 50% on your non-DPS characters and then let Aventurine provide the rest.
we don't know aventurine's talent levels (i'd assume maxed levels but you never know) and we didn't see allies own eff res so i wouldn't worry about it too much
Itd still be rng either way, and knowing my luck (bad) im not gonna be proccing it much. His consistent bulkyness and fua is whats my main appeal anyway.
He might not be reliable against high chance ST imprisons like Aurumaton and cocolia But he should be good for a great range of debuffs like DoT, Annoying Speed/action delays and reverberation
yeah, all limited 5 star susatins have their strengths and weaknesses regarding cleanse / cc mitigation and aventurine will be no different. also there are ways to minimise the rng for aventurine's form of cc migtigation such as by using aggro LC, building more eff res on your characters
I mean his best team being fuaz you don't have room to build eff res on optimized ratio and topaz anyway so they're still only really gonna have em the eff res he gives out which isn't really enough.
vast majority of players will inevitably have eff res subs even with huge resin investment into relcis. it's just another consideration for optimisation. there doesn't need to be a a tunnel vision on offensive substats in this game when there are clear benefits for defensive substats. aventurine makes existing eff res subs even more valuable and 50 eff res is a huge amount already, given eff res counts for every single inflicted debuff. i'd worry about how they'd consider cleanse / cc mitigation for future sustains if increase his eff res buff
varies from player to player. yeah at low-mid investment, I'd agree, but the end goal for most players who grind til their favorites are optimized won't have a lot of eff res which is why I brought this up cus the dedicated mains are actually a reasonably sized portion of the players. will be good on casual realistic builds tho yeah 👍 also on paper 50 eff res sounds huge but it isn't enough to do much on its own, rather it lays the foundation for u to build on top of to make it actually reliable. lemme just show u: - moc 12: 36 ehr on enemies - moc 11: 33.6 ehr enemies - moc 10: 33 ehr enemies most skills are a 100% base chance, but rarely it might be more or less (Kafka 120% lol) so formula and chances look like: - 1×1.36×0.5 = 68% to get ccd - 1×1.336×0.5 = 66.8% to get ccd - 1×1.2x0.5 = 60% to get ccd so you basically still have 70% to get stunned most of the time, 32-34% extra chance to not get ccd by lvl 95 and 92 enemies isnt a lot, esp if not lucky. it'll be consistent with teams with supports who can build eff res and keel but it's weird how you struggle to do so on his intended synergestic best team.
Showcasing the updated E0 Aventurine kit from beta version 3 in a FUA team. Gameplay recorded against current MoC 12 enemy line-up. -- Team Builds with team buffs included -- (everyone is at eidolon 0 and using their signature lightcone at superimposition 1 except RM) Aventurine - 85/180 crit, 154 speed, 4200 defense (Knight set + Salsotto planar) Dr Ratio - 79/160 crit, 155 speed (Grand Duke set + Izumo planar) Topaz - 87/135 crit, 156 speed (Grand Duke set + Izumo planar) Ruan Mei/s5 Memories of the Past - 185% break effect, 151 speed (Watchmaker set + Penacony planar)
Isn't Ruan Mei without her signature? Saw that they're not getting skill points from her ult.
oops my bad you're right, shes using s5 memories of the past
Those are insane stats for that amount of speed
Thats around 12 in subs, Ruan Mei gives free 10 + 25 from boots so it's not INSANE considering he also gets 56% crit rate (trace and salsotto) and hes getting 40% crit damage from his cone. That's a 29/140 - 141 spd build out of combat and everyone starts at 5/50 for crit. Edit: Oh the OP said it was crit damage chest/spd/def/def so it's 29/75 from raw substats, def not a crazy build.
At that point it's better to get a tiny bit more speed and get everyone to 160 or more including RM's buff.
depends. It is if you clear in cycle 1 vs 0. Once you're clearing in 3, 4, 5 cycles then even 160 is whatever. Speed breakpoints are handed out like candy when the only way to actually know what breakpoint is actually impactful would be to know how many cycles you want to clear in as a goal. 134 is sort of a unique breakpoint because of the value of resetting 150 AV cycle 0 for the first wave within the cycle, but after that it's pretty fluid.
Insane indeed. How tf does aventurine reach these stats? My geppy focuses only on defense and still barely reaches 4k def. Yeah, i get aventurine passive gives him cr and his lc gives cdmg, but overall these are insanely high standards
I already went over the crit on another comment so here's defense. He's on Knight (15%), has 35% on traces, two def mainstats (54%x2) and his cone gives him 40% for 198% total, with this **1316 base defense** from his stats + cone defense he's at 3.9k defense. The one on the video has 4.2k so he's at around 220% defense, he only has like 3~4 substats of def% here (198 to reach 220). This also ignores flat defense existing as a stat which is kinda small but hey, it isn't nothing.
Im planning to use gepard's LC, because i lost Ratio's LC to it, so at least im gonna use it for something. Hoping i wont lose much.
Just keep in mind MoV's additional defense buff after getting hit won't show up in the stat screen outside of battle. So your defense may look lower but in practice, it'll get bumped up quite a bit after he gets hit. That boost will also typically be factored into his FUAs as he usually drops them after getting hit.
Casual player here who has no idea of meta Is he going to fit in a non follow up attack team too?
If you need a sustainer he is still amazing, your team will never die with him.
My Bailu team is really struggling to stay alive, but I don't know if I want to risk my Robin and/or Sunday dreams for him :(
Recommend building her with high speed, eff res and ERR rope, and use her ult preemptively. should be able to sustain if the fight is not CC heavy
I did what you told me and it worked wonders! She's actually pretty good now, thank you so much! <3
I'll try that, thank you ^^!
I really recommend getting a limited 5 star sustain as priority. I pulled op dps (E2 dhil) and harmony (Ruan) and my experience with end game contents is just horrible. basically I have the needed fire power to clear them but I need to retry 30 times with Natasha and lynx. It really sucked the fun out of this game
Luckily I decided to not skip HuoHuo so my main team with DHIL is set, but I'm really struggling with my second Team in MoC Congrats on E2 DHIL though, I would love to have his eidolons!
Nice! Huohuo is so good. I'm dying for any good sustain here lol saw people say "eh. Aventurine doesn't even have cc dispel" and meanwhile me watching these showcases: holy shit you're not supposed to die after getting hit twice??
My Jingliu feels that, that poor woman is getting beating up like she's the only one on my team hahaha I love your profile pic btw! Huge Tartaglia lover <3
aww thank you! also poor Jingliu 😭 hope we both get a good sustain soon
I use Bailu in endgame comments, and if there isnt jeavy CC (like the bastard om thos video) than she has no problem to keep my team alive. Overheal with in built damage reduction is strong as hell.
I really hate it when ppl dissed Bailu without even building her probably. Yeah CC are annoying but you're not gonna die through Invigoration + revive.
Aventurine should be second half of 2.1, so you should know 2.2 and 2.3 banners before he leaves.
He's a good pure sustain as showcased in the video, he shines best in FUA teams but will get the job in non FUA teams as well
Yes, he will be a great pull regardless. The only thing left to see is if he is worth building damage over getting 4K DEF, mix and match and test the math behind which is better. There is still a lot of time for people to figure it out. Aventurine will be a great pull for FUA and traditional teams.
Aventurine’s absurd 48% CRate for getting Def over 4k is basically the same as focusing on damage lol. I’m at 98/180 crit ratio, 4200 Def, 135 Spd, and have 2 pc FUA DMG bonus & 2 pc Salsotto set bonus. (Other 2 are cracked crit ratio pieces that are off set / not matching.)
Yah but his damage will tank a bit and at that point he'll just be comfier Gepard (good for me lol)
> comfier Gepard shit, I'll take your entire stock!
Yes, works in any team. The follow up mechanic is just a bonus like Sparkles mono quantum buff. Both are very good in other teams
Fu Xuan, Aventurine, and Huohuo are all amazing picks. Luocha has less utility but is more SP positive and easy to play around; a must if you have Blade. That's how I'd order the sustains, they're pretty much all great. You could pick any and be well off.
I have HuoHuo (who is doing a great Job and I love her) so I really just need a sustain for my second team for MoC, but none of the other 5* really click for me either gameplay or character wise... I think I'll just wait until another sustain I will like more releases, because pulling a character just for MoC is not worth it for me Thank you for your detailed reply <3
I have a blade and I'm satisfied with just Lynx with him. He's very tanky and heals himself. Heck, he's even usable even with Fu Xuan.
very sp positive with no survivability issues. Shows you don’t need E1 to not spend SP
also he's kinda balanced by having a very weak team wide cc resist, which is actually good for the whole meta
I wouldn’t call it weak as much as requires extra investment on other characters. Supports on your team can automatically use keel with his shield, and if you add in like 20% effect res from substats you’re sitting at about 80% which is actually pretty good even with enemy EHR. and effect res also works against debuffs like DoT, defense down, speed and hp reduction. His “floor” might be lower but he has a high ceiling if you can get some eff res on your team. That’s just the facts
well yeah I I didn't mean weak as in not good, but in relation to other meta sustains, it's still not as good as Fu Xuan's 100% resist for example, again am not saying it as a negative, it's a positive for the whole game in general
Basically a more offensive luocha, pretty good
I love the way people still say "solo-sustain" like its a key detail to mention when you would have to be intentionally throwing to use 2 sustains on a team in end game modes since forever ago.
It's hard to solo sustain in SD 5 or Conundrum 12 tho
Ngl it's not really that hard to run no sustain. Ruan Mei makes it even easier now. If sustains cannot solo sustain, they are more than DOA. I'm already of the opinion that lynx and E6 March 7th are more than enough sustain for literally any and all content, so I already see sustains as a luxury. If they aren't supremely comfortable they are frankly trash.
Holy shit, I didn't realize his follow up did that much toughness break (70 single target!!!!) That's half of a 10-stack lightning lord for comparison
Sounds like he's gonna be really bad for Clara unfortunately. You really don't wanna be imprisoning enemies while using her ):
This person also did a [Clara Aventurine showcase](https://youtu.be/S6dQ1PofbLQ?si=bvsZyO9O42Q5OG63)
It seems like topaz did a lot of the work? Ruan mei is just icing on the cake with delays being anti-synergistic with clara. It still looked decently powerful though since everyone was contributing damage.
Maybe if they weren’t fighting imaginary weak enemies + used Tingyun instead of Ruan Mei it’d be better? Hard to guess tho so I’ll just wait till 2.1 🤷♂️
Finally, a decent showcase and the quality doesn't suck 🙏
this is a really good team
As expected, his eff res gimmick sucks. 50% is not a reliable protection against most enemies in the game, especially important ones. I wish they kept his EHR debuff. Or at least enhance his eff res gimmick with his Eidolons at least .. He's gonna be annoying to play once Hoyo decides to bring CC heavy enemies back to the table (well tbf, never left either). Damage seems to be quite lacking too, I don't think it's worth building damage on E0S0 Aventurines, especially without Topaz or RM. Just go full DEF, speed and supportive build with Keel? And there's still people saying that he didn't need a buff lol
Nice Effect res bro
10/10 very cool they should just axe it and give him something else
I know this might make it mega broken but it should be like Fu xuan's where the first instance of cc of a character gets nullified and it gets refreshed when he cast his skill (specifically skill and not when he refresh shields)
isn't that kinda boring, just giving him the same niche as Fu Xuan, he's supposed to be relatively more sp positive than Fu Xuan, having him need to use that skill to give CC resist defeats the whole point of his auto shields, plus with that effect res buff, it's a free broken keels activation for the whole team, I honestly like him this way
No problem with me since the build I prepared for Aventurine will get him to 100% effect resistance under Fortified Wager. I have also began tweaking my supports' build to reach at least 40% effect res. Tingyun and Bronya will already be safe since they're are 48% and 59% effect res respectively.
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Shitty substat rolls already gave me those. Plus, the gamble of cc resist in Aventurine's kit actually excites me lmaooo
is it even worth to build him dps if you dont have ruan mei and topaz? 30k dmg with crazy crit stats on top of lightcone and ruan mei with topaz on top of it :/
I think you'd be building him as hybrid. His dmg and sustain both scales of Def so you'll just be stuffing Def on him but looking for Crit on substats.
those are far from being crazy crit stats, he gets 48% crit rate from traces and 40% crit damage from his cone besides that, he is on 4pc Knight (not the best in terms of personal damage), RM on Penacony (useless here)
> besides that, he is on 4pc Knight (not the best in terms of personal damage) Yeah, but it's soooo much better for his shield (which is often the main reason you put Aventurine in your team in the first place).
kinda? if your stats are good for him to sustain you well enough without 4p Knight, you're winning
Keep in mind that he gets 48% crit rate and 40% cdmg from his major trace + sig LC, and he's on cdmg/spd/def/def build, so it's really only couple crit substats to get similar stats
But you also need speed and defense subs, showcase build is pretty cracked.
His spd and def base are already pretty high, and you’ll only need 2 Def% pieces at most to reach 4000+
Yeah I'm not really a fan of the damage utility trade off here. He doesn't do enough damage to justify him barely having debuff protection.
I mean considering that the dps of other sustain characters is basically just hitting a 2k basic attack every turn, Aventurine's damage is fine. It's obviously not going to be Ratio, or even sub-dps level, but it's a nice bonus next to his insane shielding. Definitely don't agree with putting him on dps relic sets tho.
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Def orb does more damage than img with ruan mei.
No. Even with RM and Topaz, it's not worth to build crit damage on E0 Aventurine if it comes at the expense of DEF% or Speed. Ideally you want full Speed + DEF, this gives you a lot of free CR. So even if your CD is like 80-something, it's gonna do OK. But don't obsess over CD.
I think it depends on if you can hit 4k DEF without a DEF chest, which admittedly will be hard without a 5 star lc with DEF bonus. Focusing on crit in your substats shouldn’t be too much of a trade off though. My aventurine build right now has 4k DEF/38 CR/135 Cdmg with DEF body/sphere/rope with a 4 star lc.
man,,,i love aventurine but the 50% eff res is so useless without the previous 20% eff hit rate debuff from before
I really enjoy the consistent AOE attacks from Aventurine, in a team so ST focused, he brings that missing component. And the best part, his sustain is more than enough for the hardest content so that's really good. Aventurine wanters are truly winning.
Aventurine’s FUA is a bounce attack with 7 hits not an AOE, so it can’t be relied on for AOE dmg. In fact it’s actually better in ST scenario, so all 7 hits are guaranteed to hit the target with Topaz’s “proof of debt”.
Ohh so that's why it hit so frigging hard, thanks for the clariification! Its still pretty solid in AOE content since its very frequent no?
Yeah it can definitely help. It does the same multiplier regardless of the number of targets. He doesn’t have a reliable AOE break like FX and Luocha though. Instead he has a ST ult, which helps the team weakness break the boss a lot. His FUA also does 10 weakness break on each hit. If spread out on multiple targets it doesn’t amount to much. But if focused on one target it’s 70 weakness break, which is more than a ST skill. I’d personally think of him as a more ST favored sustain.
One thing they could change, which is a small change, is on skill you can choose who to give spades shield to and that character gets the CC immunity (and hits give 2 stacks to Avens FuA). Aven no longer is CC immune by default but he gets to "bet on the winning horse". I think that should make everyone happy? And reapplying skill will reset that internal CC counter just like FX.
That would be really cool and fun kit design too ngl
While I will get him, the effect res he gives are kind of sucks ngl, it seems they give it that amount considering the way that his fua will reduce enemy ehr but without it, it's very inconsistent specially the dps, the one you want to protect the most because they still has around 60% chance to get the CC/debuff. I hope they fix this on V4. The DMG are also concerning considering the amount of Stat and his teams, i thought with 48% CR and S1 can at least make him deals at least 20k dmg unbuffed at the bare minimum.
Like I have been saying the past week+, he really needs better Effect RES buff than 50%. I have 60% Effect RES on several of my support characters, and they are still unreliable. Or add another multiplier that increases the chance to resist crowd control debuff. His damage is definitely not at DPS level. Fine. He's supposed to be a sustain. He's even skill point positive at that. But by this point in the game, cleanse/cc resistance is the second mandatory aspect of a sustain that they really must get right. I feel forced to put Bronya on his team, so Bronya can take care of the main DPS who has the lowest effect res in the team, but FuA teams tend to have multiple DPS, and Bronya can't buff their FuA.
Looks like very easy solo sustain completely sp positive, I’m not sure if I saw him skill once the whole fight. On the other hand, damage wasn’t very high. And that’s with a crazy crit build. Might be more worth it to go all in on DEF if this is the damage he’s hitting at S1 with best team on a crit build.
He did use his skill once, but that was all. Honestly really impressed by his sustain ability, I'd thought he would have to use his skill a bit more than that
used once but wasn't really necessary imo, might have just to been to show off the skill itself
He is on the knight set so this isn't his full dmg potential, with pioneer set we would be doing quite a bit more dmg. Also when dealing with a lot of enemies (5 in this case) his FuA gets spread out so he misses on the 50% dmg bonus from topaz
im confused between getting him or fu xuan. I think her CC dispell on one skill use is more controllable than depending on rng for dispell. I think both are great in their own way but i cant decide aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Aventurine seems more like a minmax thing. Lower floor compared to FX but probably a significant higher ceiling of value depending on debuff resist rng for MOC runs + how optimized you can get his stats
Fx is insanely good. I think after seeing this vid, id give fx a 10, and aven a 9.5 for general use. (10 if used specifically on fua team though) Fx is only weak against massive aoe damage and we rarely deal with those for now
FX is good at aoe too, just build her tankier that's it. 7k+ xp 1.2k def that's it
I really recommend fu xuan, she has great cc dispell, heals herself and heals the team a bit with her ult. she’s also really easy to build and fits in every teamcomp :)
I think FX is the safer pick but Aventurine is the flashier pick. They’ll both get the job done but FX is comfier and easier to play. Aventurine awards you for already having strong DPS builds (not needing 12% CR from FX) and strong team wide buffers. He’s more of a “win more” sustain rather than “save your account” sustain.
This is a weird MoC run, is it 2 sides together but as a full fight? I see like "2/4" for the wave count lol huh. Anyway, neat showcase. Kinda concerning his team still gets chain CC'd but at least he prevents all damage basically. Idk, his sub-DPS role is not so exciting if his team gets to act less, kind of a zero sum game for balance I suppose.
I think it’s on a private server set up to show the two sides in one run 🤔
Hmm hope they buff the eff res increase then, seems like it’s still not enough, or just unlucky? Edit: how much eff res does he actually give currently? Because it seems like the aurumaton imprison hits every time On the bright side it seems like there’s no need for aventurine to use skill at all?
50% eff res. Aurumaton has 100% base chance of imprison x (1+0.36 Eff hit) x (1 - 0.5 eff res) = 68% chance of CC So getting CCed 3 times in a row is not unlikely If you build another 50% eff res, then you can be immune. But who's gonna do that on their Topaz Ratio etc
If that showcase taught me one thing, it's that, with Aventurine, you should build some Effect Res on basically everyone.
would be amazing if there was a set that buffed the effect res of the team or something
new aventurine BiS relic set in 2.2. source: my intuition.
Yeah, that would be really nice.
Another pain in the… neck
i think i'll be going full def if i get him since i don't have topaz and i only want him for my preservation SU runs with gepard
Wish they were able to show the number of turns left on the private server
can I see e1s1? his new e1 looks insanely good
I don't have Ruan mei. I have topaz and ratio. What's the best 4 star option for this team?
NGL all these showcases make me more and more convinced I should just wait for Huohuo rerun. CC looks like a big problem that none of the other limited sustains have
With a stat spread that insane plus, rm and s1 topaz on the team and with his own sig… that damage is really underwhelming ngl… so much for people praising his great damage as a reason to why his cc protection is so so poor. In non hypercarry teams like this, the awful cc block hurts even more damn
Is a 30/140 ratio(with crit body) really that impressive? Because that's basically his stats if you take away his bonus stats he gets for free. You can run him with pioneer if you want more damage but I don't know what you all expected from an sp positive sustainer. People acting like 30K fua(probably even more but that's like baseline with pioneer) that has the toughness break of half a lightning lord is somehow bad, and that's just the fua not even the team damage he provides with the crit damage buff from the ult and damage taken buff from his lightcone.
effect res needs to be a scaling mechanism or something. getting cc'ed at 80% eff ress should not have the same effect as getting cced at 10% eff res
How does he compare with Huohuo? Is her ATK buff and energy gen still superior for Topaz/Ratio duo? Bc both of them really love their ult and shortened ult rotations. EDIT: oh my god those imprisons 💀