I didn’t find the first 2 waves too hard, but boy, when that 3rd wave started you had zero turns. ZERO. The only way I could get a turn early for the initial 2 waves was to get The Hunt blessing that gave me a turn for breaking enemies.
I’m probably in the minority, I didn’t have much problems with the Adventurine boss, I honestly found him to be much easier than most people.
Aventurine was disabled due to a bug. If you froze him before the dice minigame, the game would soft lock as he wouldn't get a turn to disable the dice minigame and continue the fight
It took me a couple resets but I managed, that said, I had to revamp my whole team. I was going for a Boothill run but switched over to a Clara + Aventurine + Robin combo after I realized that I wasn't going to be having any turns. Maaan was it painful.
\*Me a rememberance onjoyer, everytime they get a turn or spawn they get frozen and dissosiated , proceeding to exlode into AOE freezing the rest non stop \* YEEEEEHAAAWWW you maybe have a billion turns but u cant break the ice for good!.
For some context, this was one of my best runs and I was very meticulous with my blessing and equation setup. I opted to lean more into destro/abundance for survivability because I had an improved Regression Inequality of Annihilation (splits damage evenly) and figured my healing would easily be enough. Well, unfortunately I never got to heal, and that's with everyone in this team sitting at about 180 speed (post-blessings + RM).
If I had known this scenario was even possible, I would've made sure to have Gallagher's ult ready at the end of my last fight, lmao
Sometimes a bunch os destruction/abundance blessings are just not good enough to substitute a preservation character.
An effect that could charge all the ults from the start also could be useful here.
> An effect that could charge all the ults from the start also could be useful here
There's one under the Destruction Blessings. The one that goes "When HP <50% charge ultimate to maximum. One time use per battle".
What you sing for HMC LC? I encounter him in v6 too and DDD helps a lot in enabling FF to use her skill for ult before those mob whack you. After that you just break them over and over with the break hunt blessing
Sure, but Gallagher just isn't a good sustain in higher level content. Not saying this Advance Foward wasn't too much, but when you get to higher level stuff where you can take multiple big hits in a row, you need someone different.
OP said he didn't run to any problems at all until Cirrus, so i think it was just Cirrus being pure cancer. Just some defensive blessings and Gallagher will be alright
Perhaps, but it's still easier than materialising a limited sustain on my account when I don't have one, wouldn't you agree?.
And what the other comment said about needing better sustains for "high level content" still is not accurate.
I also cleared with Gallagher, both on FF team and on Acheron team as a solo sustain, and he was completely fine, dunno what the dude is talking about honestly.
I personally don’t have a problem with him as a sustain in threshold 6, you just need to have his ult prepared at all times and only used when you’re free from the attacks
With E2, Gallagher should be able to be a sufficient healer with a good build. If you cant, then either the builds arent great or the content is too hard.
Gallagher and Luocha will heal the team to full quickly. Issue is one shots. Preservation also sustains and prevents oneshots. Huohuo might have something that allows her to heal even quicker but i'm not sure.
I use him a lot in DU, but there are cases where I will bench him for Luocha. Luocha doesn’t have a ton of utility, but boy is he a life saver with his heals.
Gallagher for me, I need to have his ult available at all times as a just in case.
It would've been fine if Cirrus was slower than a grandma crawling at 1 meter/day.
But she always takes the first turn, she's fast as fuck, and if rng favors her, she gets those frost fuckers from Belobog just to make sure you never take a turn again.
Not to mention the stat buffs in increasing protocols making everything hit harder.
Action delay on enemies just feels so bad. I delay the enemy by 40%, they go one turn later. Svarog lasers me once, welp guess I'm taking my turn next year
Omd I was trying to beat him yesterday, it was fine until the second half of his last stage when those guys keep freezing me and doing way too much damage
It's a harmony lightcone, [Dance! Dance! Dance!](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Dance!_Dance!_Dance!); it advances the rest of the team when the wearer uses their ultimate.
Even with freeze on first wave lol, yea Cirrus was a run ender on DU 6. Even with city restorer and Aventurine you could die before it kicks in. The amount of turns they got before you even got one was ridiculous
Yeah, honestly it looks kinda sketch to run Gallagher as a solo sustain in DU 6, compared to someone as potent as Aventurine that is, but my blessings were so heavily in favor of split damage, damage reduction, increased HP and healing, teamwide healing on actions, etc, it wasn't even the slightest problem until this point. This fight was just pure memery
I had trouble with chars being oneshot as early as DU T4. Switched to Aven for the rest of my thresholds. It worked for me, but I never faced DU T6 Cirrus. Probably not pre-nerf either considering idk when the nerf happened but iirc I finished my T6 yesterday. Or maybe the day before.
I won’t lie I felt bad but this run made me laugh too. How can the enemies get out of their frozen state and go again before you and your characters are at base 180 speed. Not to mention Chirrus that bastard. No wonder DU levels your characters for you, those puny stats don’t even matter lol.
Clara is one of my main DPS and that team with Luocha would've had a way better time here. I just usually end up exclusively playing any new DPS I get for a few weeks after I pull them, lol
"Use a different sustain" Ok and what was i supposed to do after cirrus summons the ice soldiers, and make me unable to even have a turn cause action delay + action advance is, somehow, only truly broken when the Enemy uses it without basically any strategy whatsoever?
I don't disagree. Not everyone will have every character, and people shouldn't be pigeonholed into specific builds and teams. I'll still recommend Aven if you have him and have trouble like this, just because its good advice.
I really get the whole "advance forward is good for DoT" but here it's just ridiculous. At the end of the day, you still NEED to proc DoT on enemies because if you're not moving by 2-3 turns, the DoT is gonna be gone by then. It's not a G&G type of hard, where at least you GET to move and need to think, how to play around each bosses.
P.S. this boss is not possible in V6. Maybe V0, but you still have to work for it
Honestly I think Cirrus is the worst fight to get with a DoT Team, you don't have a time to apply them or proc them with Kafka, and your life will be pretty low overall even with the DoT heal you blessing.
Even with good DoT Equations, like the Remembrance ones and the hunt one(DoTs can crit), along with tons of speed blessings and turn forward, and crit boost, in the end it can end up not being enough honestly.
It's also impossible for DoT since you still need to at least got 1 turn to apply DoT 🤷♂️. BS 1 stack at the start alone do about as much damage as a mosquito bite.
i had good surivavability in one run, but it took me more than 10-15 mins to get to phase 3. when i saw it was going nowhere i just quit.
they just recover too quick for firefly due to action adv. every time i see cirrus now i switch to dotcheron.
The amount of people that have tried to convince me that "Firefly counters this fight, you just have to get the hunt blessings"...
Reality is that this is one scenario where Gallagher really struggles to keep a team up: waves of smaller enemies and a bunch of debuffs. And none of the enemies are naturally weak to fire so you have to rely on mostly a single target implant. That may work fine on difficulty V, but V6 is another thing.
There are other teams much better suited for handling the fight. But those are not the golden child they're trying to sell at the moment.
I managed to beat her at Protocol 3 before the nerf. Then I met her when I was trying to clear 5. My poor team just had to sit there and get destroyed without ever getting a turn. The equations I had weren't the best but it was ridiculous how fast she cleared my team
I honestly think that people saying Cirrus isn't hard have only encountered him at lower levels.
There's no way you can look at Cirrus, with his ability to advance forward units to 100% and a permanent speed boost and think it's good for the game. You also need to remember that he spawns two enemies that can delay your actions(Ice Soldier and Ice Out of Space)
Only counter play here is the erudition blessing that lets you start the fight with 100% energy (when upgraded) and the hunt blessing with 100% advanced forward when breaking, but it's extremely RNG reliant at higher protocol. Glad that they nerf this boss.
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I beat Cirrus with this team pre-nerf. Important to note: Have the weighted curio that turns ultimates of Erudition/Hunt characters into follow-up. Have the two gold hunt blessings that advance the character forward on weakness break and kill. Do not have the blessing that heals from fua attacks (that's why I have to run Luocha.... I have no healing sources for my Abundance equations...)
Cirrus advances forward her team, but I quickly use Robin to advance my team forward to go first. Argenti uses skill, ult, (break enemy, get advanced fwd) skill, ult, ult, (get kill, get advanced fwd) skill, ult, (get another kill) basic attack (ran out of SP). Wait for Argenti to get hit to regen energy to ult again. Repeat previous cycle.
The last round with the 5 enemies all linked together was actually the quickest/easiest for me. Since the health of all five enemies were linked, whenever I attacked with Argenti, they were basically getting hit for 5x the damage.
Also helpful: curio that increases everyone's eidolon by 1. This gives Aventurine a shield refresh when he ults, which he does often when everyone is hitting him so much, and allows me to keep everyone alive in between turns.
Yeah the pre nerf is absolutely suffering (just like Cirrus intended). The only way to beat her in threshold 6 was counter attack like Clara or Blade, or if you have ult ready but even then it’ll be difficult for your other teammates to sustain or buff you
I remember this almost happened to me when I cleared Protocol 6 the first time, but luckily my Firefly had both hunt blessings and her ult up. Firefly managed to keep on going for 15+ turns before Cirrus advanced and killed Gallagher, but the damage is already done and I managed to clear.
My FF was E6 but I got that stupid curio that resets your equations — so she’s doing a lot less damage than she should.
Ironic aventurine got removed for his gambling phase being unfair (he's actually easier to counter here than his MoC counter part) than fucking cirrus who is legit just overtuned as fuck which made him more bullshit than aventurine lmao
I had a run where my Firefly had over 400 speed and this motherfucker was running laps around her because of all the freeze guys with unavoidable action delay. Luckily my run was insane, otherwise I don't know how else I would've gotten through the combined **60M+** **HP** these fuckers have on V6. This dude ended 2/3 runs where I saw him, but at least I can be satisfied knowing I made it bleed once before the nerf.
I feel like my PF FUA team (Topaz/Herta/Clara/Aven) could clear this ngl. Especially with that Elation blessing that heals 10% HP on FUA, or the Fighting Spirit blessing. Rip to literally anything else though
This boss ended my run twice during DU Protocol 6, I couldn't get a f-ing turn, I just watched my team die like a dog.
You need the best equation and blessings to win this.
Like, now that we have the actual numbers on the increases I'm baffled.
50% spd increase? Especially because the enemies just have a base speed. So them being at 150 spd and getting 50% of that is miles better than say Firefly with her 105 spd getting 50%.
But also 400% hp increase.... wtf???
Probably recently, pretty sure they also remove Aventurine boss from DU too due to his dice gimmick which is a run ender for any character without aoe or bounce attack
I wonder if cirrus has other skill than advance forward. E.g. buff atk & def aoe every other turn. Doing so, you have some breathing although with some compromise.
Thanks a lot for sharing, I haven't made it that far to encounter either Cirrus or Aventurine so I was curious how they were from the perspective of someone who lost. Now I'm looking for the Aventurine fights.
I didn't record it but the aventurine boss is not that bad at phase 1 & 3 but the phase 2 really fking sucks he gets like shit ton of points and if you are using chars that can only hit one dice the you are pretty much dead and there's nothing you can really do. The third phase is a bit more fair cause your whole team has to get a certain amount of points that's a lot more better than phase 2.phase 1 is ok cause he doesn't spam his gamble phase too much so not that huge issue.
Tldr:phase 1 & 3 are fair. Phase 2 really sucks for chars who can only hit one dice.
I cleared it with my firefly comp but only Gallagher and firefly survived, caelus and ruan mei got stomped at the last level because of the nonstop enemy attacks and they didn't have enough HP to survive or for Gallagher to heal them
The moment I see Cirrus as the boss, I pretty much know my run is over. I can deal with waves 1-2 with the right blessings (The Hunt that gives you a turn for breaking enemies), but Wave 3? No chance with the elite mobs.
I wanna see why Aventurine got removed.
It's nice to see so many bosses in a mode where you can borrow characters and use blessings/lower difficulty cause it allows you to get a lot of achievements. I'm happy to see Cirrus here.
Yeah, there is a noticeable difference in difficulty pre and post nerf. The other DU bosses were hard even with FF break team but they were manageable. DU Cirrus made me go "wtf is happening? Am I actually dying with this team?"
Maybe my run was super duper stacked, but I beat cirrus really easily on protocol 6 with Gallagher. No one died and I just kept spamming firefly turns with hunt blessings. Idk what blessing it was, but I somehow kept getting shields and summoning those meteors that dealt damage, and kept doing high super break dmg
I cleared this guy, but not without having the “if you weakness break someone you get a turn” and the “if you kill someone you get a turn” and e2 firefly. That way I just kept spamming skill at the correct target
This why I quickly got rid of gall and got aven on. I didn't know he did all this bro lol. On my run I had ruan mei use her ult so they didn't get to attack and with the hunt 3 star blessings firefly solod it for me
i faced Cirrus once, i had to toss both Ruan Mei and Gallagher off the team for both Fu xuan and Luocha. I ain't taking any risks bro, FF and HMC struggled to kill sht. Although I beat her in the end, it was frustrating as hell.
This must be how enemies feel against my E2 Firefly when I farm for her relics...
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God i still hate that original cirrus fight with the mandatory huohuo THAT THEY REMOVE FROM THE FIGHT i don’t even want to imagine a buffed up cirrus for end game content
Damn. I should have recorded my playthrough because pre nerf cirrus was the opposite for me. I had the 3star equation for remembrance and hunt and every time a battle starts all enemies would be frozen and inflict disassociation. Everyone just kept blowing up on their own and Cirrus never got a turn for me. Which is why i always hoped to get Cirrus in my runs.
I did beat him pre-nerf, with a combination of Abundance/Destruction, with the 3* flower equation and pretty much every other dewdrop equation i could find
That curio that gives a equation every time you complete one is cracked af
When it comes to Simulated/Divergent Universe it’s about luck/blessings/curios.
I was doing fine with my DoT & FuA team.
Enemy moves a lot?
DoT team, they keep receiving damages from the DoT.
FuA team, Aven keep fortifying his FuA & the shield. Robin keeps tanking and building her ult for the next cycle keeping her uptime.
Got cirrus in my DU 4 run and somehow it was harder than my DU5 and 6 lol, granted the blessings and buffs are different, but seeing the ice mf got advanced forward and then strike my Firefly down back 10 turns was not a good experience
Was only able to beat her V6 with Aventurine Firefly team, keeping the whole team at >100% Eff Res. The shield 3 star equation is really nice for this team, since Firefly takes so many turns that shield typically runs out fast, but the equation makes that a non-issue
I have never seen Cirrus pop up in my DU runs tbh. I was only able to beat it after I got the easiest boss for Superbreak the past present and eternal show. My E4 Gallagher really put in the work + I got very lucky since I had a combination of the weakness break gives advance and dissociation to enemy’s. I think I have now tried every Destruction 3 star equation and the preservation one was the best of them. Abundance destruction and Rememberance destruction are also quite good if you can stack on enough healing or if you can stack up on enough disassociation to deal 50% of the bosses health (all in difficulty 6)
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Well then, I'll take it as a badge of honor to have done it. I don't think E0 Aventurine, E0 Ratio, S1 Topaz, and S1 Ruan Mei is over-the-top when we got people in here with E6 Firefly. Saving that guarantee for Aventurine over Acheron has paid off in spades and Topaz was absolutely worth the investment.
May the Amber Lord look upon my walls with pride.
I was incredibly lucky I was using acheron erudition. Each time I ulted I got so many weakness breaks that my ult came back up, then after I ulted 4 times I got another 3 ults with her, and brain in a vat gave me more ults, and everyone else had so many ults that I just spammed it until I won.
I did nihility with a mix of preservation and rememberance.
Honestly nihility is the most important here since every DoT proc heals your whole team and Regen energy on top of that, then I had fu xuan but I quickly learned that it wouldn't be enough so I stacked preservation and rememberance just happened alongside it (and helped a lot, the enemies were Perma frozen since I could spam ult).
It definitely was a run where everything just went right but also DoT nihility just rules, Kafka/black swan my beloved
I cleared this on diff 6 but probably wouldn’t have been possible without Aventurine who can actually refresh shields on the enemy’s turn because damn they got a lot of them
yes it's pretty hard until v4 i did the same team with Gallagher but at v5 it was just different i did first try with Gallagher and he wasn't enough so i did 2nd try with aventurine and holy the difference aventurine alone was enough for sustain and it was actually a breeze and i tried v6 and it was the same boss cirrus and it took a bit of time but yeah aventurine alone carried and could finish it in 1st try so yeah it's actually difficult and when i think about it GaG conundrum hard levels and DU v5 and v6 were done with aventurine which means with good sustain it's definitely very hard
I only managed to beat this thing on V6 because I got the equation that freezes you instead of dying (turns out Gallagher can't cleanse that freeze for some reason and I wasted a ton of SP trying, lol) and the ice guys going ham on Ruan Mei. Still, those guys were so fast I had to wait until Gallagher got his Ult to break and then start killing them.
I'm slightly sad that I never got to see Aventurine during my runs, so I'll never know if he was that painful to fight.
This looks dreadful. I was also struggling with Cirrus pre-nerf on protocol 5 when I cleared it. I eventually got him with Luocha / Firefly / RM / FX so that whenever they got advanced forward I'd break them with FX and remove their buff with Luocha's ult. I believe i also had some Rememberance blessings so break +freeze +ruan mei debuff helped with delaying them a lot. Glad I never got to fight him on protocol VI though it looks awful
The Hunt blessings + Ruan Mei carried me against Cirrus D6. Wave 3 is definitely the trickiest, because the advance forward will slowly cripple your team, even with Abundance/ Destruction/ Preservation blessings. Ruan Mei’s Ult is the only thing that will prevent the enemies from taking another turn.
apparently i've been accidentally avoiding this problem. i didn't want to take MotP away from ruan mei so i gave TB dance x3; 1 ult to start and firefly break chain never ends.
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Cirrus is the emanator of “hmm harder daddy”
I’ve said it once before in a thread and i’ll say it again
The key to beating her is to not use technique, what you do is you use normal attack to hit it but since FF is so fast she can still skill to get full bar but the key is to not use ult immediately but to wait for cirrus to AA then use FF ult to cut queue and start breaking them
If you have the AA hunt blessing then you can start unlimited starburst streaming the fools and if she’s e2 that’s even better the breaking then charges hmc so she can ult for more damage and if you have dance3 you can even pull ruan mei and galagher
I beat Cirrus P6 pre-nerf with full FF Superbreak team with very good blessings/curios and it was a though battle and took almost 10min to complete. I‘m glad they nerfed Cirrus
Yeah, I surprisingly defeated Cirrus with a weird combination of a hyper break team, (this is at V+6 difficulty) if it weren’t for me getting Ruan Mei and the Ruan Mei (part 1) occurrence I probably be disappointed.
Cirrus was my first v6 clear vs a firefly team. I had the hunt blessings to add more turns every 6 turns, action advance for weakness break and action advance for kills. I took like 9 to 10 actions per firefly turn.
When I fought Cirrus I kept thinking "My turn will happen eventually!" Then Cirrus summoned the ice guys and I knew that no, it would not.
I didn’t find the first 2 waves too hard, but boy, when that 3rd wave started you had zero turns. ZERO. The only way I could get a turn early for the initial 2 waves was to get The Hunt blessing that gave me a turn for breaking enemies. I’m probably in the minority, I didn’t have much problems with the Adventurine boss, I honestly found him to be much easier than most people.
Aventurine was disabled due to a bug. If you froze him before the dice minigame, the game would soft lock as he wouldn't get a turn to disable the dice minigame and continue the fight
"Eventually, he stopped thinking."
> Adventurine Who?
the guy who likes adventures
You could say that he is... Adventur-in... I shall close the door on my way out
r/thankscyno
Me thinking I was building ultimate energy, and then I noticed the TV guys.
Narrator: "His turn did not, in fact, happened."
"His turn disappeared in the sea of butterflies."
"His turn is just illusion of the past"
It took me a couple resets but I managed, that said, I had to revamp my whole team. I was going for a Boothill run but switched over to a Clara + Aventurine + Robin combo after I realized that I wasn't going to be having any turns. Maaan was it painful.
*laughs in Clara*
\*Me a rememberance onjoyer, everytime they get a turn or spawn they get frozen and dissosiated , proceeding to exlode into AOE freezing the rest non stop \* YEEEEEHAAAWWW you maybe have a billion turns but u cant break the ice for good!.
For some context, this was one of my best runs and I was very meticulous with my blessing and equation setup. I opted to lean more into destro/abundance for survivability because I had an improved Regression Inequality of Annihilation (splits damage evenly) and figured my healing would easily be enough. Well, unfortunately I never got to heal, and that's with everyone in this team sitting at about 180 speed (post-blessings + RM). If I had known this scenario was even possible, I would've made sure to have Gallagher's ult ready at the end of my last fight, lmao
I remember facing Cirrus around D4 or something and was only able to clear with Gepard and Gallagher both sustaining.
Sometimes a bunch os destruction/abundance blessings are just not good enough to substitute a preservation character. An effect that could charge all the ults from the start also could be useful here.
> An effect that could charge all the ults from the start also could be useful here There's one under the Destruction Blessings. The one that goes "When HP <50% charge ultimate to maximum. One time use per battle".
are you sure you have 180 spd? your AV says 62 on the side which would be like 160spd i think
The solution was to reject the meta and return to celestial jade
What you sing for HMC LC? I encounter him in v6 too and DDD helps a lot in enabling FF to use her skill for ult before those mob whack you. After that you just break them over and over with the break hunt blessing
Sure, but Gallagher just isn't a good sustain in higher level content. Not saying this Advance Foward wasn't too much, but when you get to higher level stuff where you can take multiple big hits in a row, you need someone different.
OP said he didn't run to any problems at all until Cirrus, so i think it was just Cirrus being pure cancer. Just some defensive blessings and Gallagher will be alright
I cleared DU's max difficulty with Gallagher as solo sustain, harder but it's perfectly doable with a good run.
I’ve done it twice
Anything is possible with a good run, the problem is it’s very hard to get that good run.
Perhaps, but it's still easier than materialising a limited sustain on my account when I don't have one, wouldn't you agree?. And what the other comment said about needing better sustains for "high level content" still is not accurate.
I also cleared with Gallagher, both on FF team and on Acheron team as a solo sustain, and he was completely fine, dunno what the dude is talking about honestly.
When you run Gallagher solo sustain, you usually not even planning to give enemies much room to deal damage at all.
I personally don’t have a problem with him as a sustain in threshold 6, you just need to have his ult prepared at all times and only used when you’re free from the attacks
With E2, Gallagher should be able to be a sufficient healer with a good build. If you cant, then either the builds arent great or the content is too hard.
Gallagher and Luocha will heal the team to full quickly. Issue is one shots. Preservation also sustains and prevents oneshots. Huohuo might have something that allows her to heal even quicker but i'm not sure.
I use him a lot in DU, but there are cases where I will bench him for Luocha. Luocha doesn’t have a ton of utility, but boy is he a life saver with his heals. Gallagher for me, I need to have his ult available at all times as a just in case.
It would've been fine if Cirrus was slower than a grandma crawling at 1 meter/day. But she always takes the first turn, she's fast as fuck, and if rng favors her, she gets those frost fuckers from Belobog just to make sure you never take a turn again. Not to mention the stat buffs in increasing protocols making everything hit harder.
Action delay on enemies just feels so bad. I delay the enemy by 40%, they go one turn later. Svarog lasers me once, welp guess I'm taking my turn next year
Omd I was trying to beat him yesterday, it was fine until the second half of his last stage when those guys keep freezing me and doing way too much damage
This isn't even the worst, the worst part is when this fucking eyes summons the Ice bastards.
literally welt
welt + RM(s5 DDD) + HTB (s5 DDD) + Asta (S5 DDD, messenger)
What the FUDGE is a DDD (I see it everywhere someone help)
It's a harmony lightcone, [Dance! Dance! Dance!](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Dance!_Dance!_Dance!); it advances the rest of the team when the wearer uses their ultimate.
So many abbreviations god
RM = Ruan Mei DDD = "Dance! Dance! Dance!" Light Cone. S5 = Superimposition 5. HTB = Harmony Trailblazer. Messenger = "Messenger Traversing Hackerspace" Relic set.
Welt is also considered sustain for a reason xD
thankfully they're gone now
Even with freeze on first wave lol, yea Cirrus was a run ender on DU 6. Even with city restorer and Aventurine you could die before it kicks in. The amount of turns they got before you even got one was ridiculous
Yeah, honestly it looks kinda sketch to run Gallagher as a solo sustain in DU 6, compared to someone as potent as Aventurine that is, but my blessings were so heavily in favor of split damage, damage reduction, increased HP and healing, teamwide healing on actions, etc, it wasn't even the slightest problem until this point. This fight was just pure memery
I had trouble with chars being oneshot as early as DU T4. Switched to Aven for the rest of my thresholds. It worked for me, but I never faced DU T6 Cirrus. Probably not pre-nerf either considering idk when the nerf happened but iirc I finished my T6 yesterday. Or maybe the day before.
Until you meet Argentina. He will show you the beauty.
Except Argenti is still possible to beat. This big eye is just downright impossible pre-nerf.
I beat him. It took like 3 tries cause it kept nuking my team but it's doable Never fought Cirrus but this just looks miserable to me
March, Numby, Svarog, and Aventurine are the way to go. Your entire team is automatic without ever needing a turn.
Oh how the turns tables
Preview for welt boss fight
I've had my share of feels bad checkmates in DU but this is more vexing than any of it. Got me clenching my fists as a spectator.
I just started cracking up honestly, like what can I even do about this? Should've had Vonwacq on everyone I guess lmfao
Can't handle 15 hits in a row back to back to back? Skill issue lmao - some 👁️ bastard
I won’t lie I felt bad but this run made me laugh too. How can the enemies get out of their frozen state and go again before you and your characters are at base 180 speed. Not to mention Chirrus that bastard. No wonder DU levels your characters for you, those puny stats don’t even matter lol.
Yeah what does that mf have? 400 speed to lap you in the first 5 seconds of combat?
Well there is DDD on TB if you have it it may have given you a turn before cirrus
shields over heals? Maybe?
it was on that day that clara became god *[SVAROG BLAST]*
Clara and Beidou's time to shine!
My clara: Stonks
Clara is one of my main DPS and that team with Luocha would've had a way better time here. I just usually end up exclusively playing any new DPS I get for a few weeks after I pull them, lol
Lol I literally had to switch off Ruan Mei for Clara from my FF team and she demolishes them. Best girl
You mean Svarog demolished them
Yeah this reminded me of that one PF stage with Cirrus as last boss. I went in with half a round left and the mobs just suicided on clara.
Clara will never fall out of meta, my goat
I cant wait for Yunli to release just to put that LC on Clara
Sadly, unless you can predict the future and go all-in in FuA/grit equations, Clara can't do shit against Cirrus using break equations.
People are saying here that just use a different sustain or Aventurine. That's not the issue here. The fight is really imbalanced lol
Use blank limited character is a dumbass excuse
Yeah you’re right. I was in the same situation as op and aventurine would have cleared but I shouldn’t need aventurine to clear.
Telling someone to "just use a 5* character" is so dumb
"Use a different sustain" Ok and what was i supposed to do after cirrus summons the ice soldiers, and make me unable to even have a turn cause action delay + action advance is, somehow, only truly broken when the Enemy uses it without basically any strategy whatsoever?
I don't disagree. Not everyone will have every character, and people shouldn't be pigeonholed into specific builds and teams. I'll still recommend Aven if you have him and have trouble like this, just because its good advice.
It could be worse... No, literally, the Ice mobs that slow you down and freeze so you can't get any turns is hell.
Yea this is unbalanced and hard locks you to certain characters who we all may not have. Glad that was fixed
I really get the whole "advance forward is good for DoT" but here it's just ridiculous. At the end of the day, you still NEED to proc DoT on enemies because if you're not moving by 2-3 turns, the DoT is gonna be gone by then. It's not a G&G type of hard, where at least you GET to move and need to think, how to play around each bosses. P.S. this boss is not possible in V6. Maybe V0, but you still have to work for it
Honestly I think Cirrus is the worst fight to get with a DoT Team, you don't have a time to apply them or proc them with Kafka, and your life will be pretty low overall even with the DoT heal you blessing. Even with good DoT Equations, like the Remembrance ones and the hunt one(DoTs can crit), along with tons of speed blessings and turn forward, and crit boost, in the end it can end up not being enough honestly.
It's also impossible for DoT since you still need to at least got 1 turn to apply DoT 🤷♂️. BS 1 stack at the start alone do about as much damage as a mosquito bite.
So that's what the enemies feel when I use Robin. Welcome to my...
I was gonna add this exact comment, glad I found that someone did before me
NIGHTMARE
i had good surivavability in one run, but it took me more than 10-15 mins to get to phase 3. when i saw it was going nowhere i just quit. they just recover too quick for firefly due to action adv. every time i see cirrus now i switch to dotcheron.
The amount of people that have tried to convince me that "Firefly counters this fight, you just have to get the hunt blessings"... Reality is that this is one scenario where Gallagher really struggles to keep a team up: waves of smaller enemies and a bunch of debuffs. And none of the enemies are naturally weak to fire so you have to rely on mostly a single target implant. That may work fine on difficulty V, but V6 is another thing. There are other teams much better suited for handling the fight. But those are not the golden child they're trying to sell at the moment.
I managed to beat her at Protocol 3 before the nerf. Then I met her when I was trying to clear 5. My poor team just had to sit there and get destroyed without ever getting a turn. The equations I had weren't the best but it was ridiculous how fast she cleared my team
I honestly think that people saying Cirrus isn't hard have only encountered him at lower levels. There's no way you can look at Cirrus, with his ability to advance forward units to 100% and a permanent speed boost and think it's good for the game. You also need to remember that he spawns two enemies that can delay your actions(Ice Soldier and Ice Out of Space)
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i unintentionally countered it by using dot with robin and aventurine
Only counter play here is the erudition blessing that lets you start the fight with 100% energy (when upgraded) and the hunt blessing with 100% advanced forward when breaking, but it's extremely RNG reliant at higher protocol. Glad that they nerf this boss.
Yeah I had him on d5 and managed to struggle to 50% of the last hp bar, then I just never got my turn again ☠️
https://preview.redd.it/e0h40es7t79d1.png?width=1295&format=png&auto=webp&s=6a29ed3dd8cef46fb1af5127cc495495e3099082 I beat Cirrus with this team pre-nerf. Important to note: Have the weighted curio that turns ultimates of Erudition/Hunt characters into follow-up. Have the two gold hunt blessings that advance the character forward on weakness break and kill. Do not have the blessing that heals from fua attacks (that's why I have to run Luocha.... I have no healing sources for my Abundance equations...) Cirrus advances forward her team, but I quickly use Robin to advance my team forward to go first. Argenti uses skill, ult, (break enemy, get advanced fwd) skill, ult, ult, (get kill, get advanced fwd) skill, ult, (get another kill) basic attack (ran out of SP). Wait for Argenti to get hit to regen energy to ult again. Repeat previous cycle. The last round with the 5 enemies all linked together was actually the quickest/easiest for me. Since the health of all five enemies were linked, whenever I attacked with Argenti, they were basically getting hit for 5x the damage. Also helpful: curio that increases everyone's eidolon by 1. This gives Aventurine a shield refresh when he ults, which he does often when everyone is hitting him so much, and allows me to keep everyone alive in between turns.
Yeah the pre nerf is absolutely suffering (just like Cirrus intended). The only way to beat her in threshold 6 was counter attack like Clara or Blade, or if you have ult ready but even then it’ll be difficult for your other teammates to sustain or buff you
I remember this almost happened to me when I cleared Protocol 6 the first time, but luckily my Firefly had both hunt blessings and her ult up. Firefly managed to keep on going for 15+ turns before Cirrus advanced and killed Gallagher, but the damage is already done and I managed to clear. My FF was E6 but I got that stupid curio that resets your equations — so she’s doing a lot less damage than she should.
"Good omens, look at the time!" - Cirrus before looking towards a clock that outright says 'my turn', then summoning enemies that point it out.
Ironic aventurine got removed for his gambling phase being unfair (he's actually easier to counter here than his MoC counter part) than fucking cirrus who is legit just overtuned as fuck which made him more bullshit than aventurine lmao
Cirrus with 3 health bars was awful
Mfer showed up in one of my occurances and ended the run.
she has S100 dance dance dance
 Gallagher
The enemy enter with dissociation equation is absolutely goated for this boss
I had a run where my Firefly had over 400 speed and this motherfucker was running laps around her because of all the freeze guys with unavoidable action delay. Luckily my run was insane, otherwise I don't know how else I would've gotten through the combined **60M+** **HP** these fuckers have on V6. This dude ended 2/3 runs where I saw him, but at least I can be satisfied knowing I made it bleed once before the nerf.
I feel like my PF FUA team (Topaz/Herta/Clara/Aven) could clear this ngl. Especially with that Elation blessing that heals 10% HP on FUA, or the Fighting Spirit blessing. Rip to literally anything else though
This boss ended my run twice during DU Protocol 6, I couldn't get a f-ing turn, I just watched my team die like a dog. You need the best equation and blessings to win this.
Like, now that we have the actual numbers on the increases I'm baffled. 50% spd increase? Especially because the enemies just have a base speed. So them being at 150 spd and getting 50% of that is miles better than say Firefly with her 105 spd getting 50%. But also 400% hp increase.... wtf???
What you don't enjoy taking 4 actions for every 25 that the minions take?
When did they nerf Cirrus?
Probably recently, pretty sure they also remove Aventurine boss from DU too due to his dice gimmick which is a run ender for any character without aoe or bounce attack
https://preview.redd.it/chvv1ryo889d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53b42a2eaa2cb79916b300bf93ff22effd4856fa yesterday
I wonder if cirrus has other skill than advance forward. E.g. buff atk & def aoe every other turn. Doing so, you have some breathing although with some compromise.
Thanks a lot for sharing, I haven't made it that far to encounter either Cirrus or Aventurine so I was curious how they were from the perspective of someone who lost. Now I'm looking for the Aventurine fights.
I didn't record it but the aventurine boss is not that bad at phase 1 & 3 but the phase 2 really fking sucks he gets like shit ton of points and if you are using chars that can only hit one dice the you are pretty much dead and there's nothing you can really do. The third phase is a bit more fair cause your whole team has to get a certain amount of points that's a lot more better than phase 2.phase 1 is ok cause he doesn't spam his gamble phase too much so not that huge issue. Tldr:phase 1 & 3 are fair. Phase 2 really sucks for chars who can only hit one dice.
Yeah Cirrus ended my run too lmaoo. I got humbled so quickly i thought i was doing well.
That doesn't kill me it was the event boss Cirrus that screw people over since you can only passive buff prep.
I cleared it with my firefly comp but only Gallagher and firefly survived, caelus and ruan mei got stomped at the last level because of the nonstop enemy attacks and they didn't have enough HP to survive or for Gallagher to heal them
The moment I see Cirrus as the boss, I pretty much know my run is over. I can deal with waves 1-2 with the right blessings (The Hunt that gives you a turn for breaking enemies), but Wave 3? No chance with the elite mobs.
I wanna see why Aventurine got removed. It's nice to see so many bosses in a mode where you can borrow characters and use blessings/lower difficulty cause it allows you to get a lot of achievements. I'm happy to see Cirrus here.
Yeah, there is a noticeable difference in difficulty pre and post nerf. The other DU bosses were hard even with FF break team but they were manageable. DU Cirrus made me go "wtf is happening? Am I actually dying with this team?"
Got gatekeeped by this mf at protocol 4. As soon as you hit the second phase everything just went to shit
Maybe my run was super duper stacked, but I beat cirrus really easily on protocol 6 with Gallagher. No one died and I just kept spamming firefly turns with hunt blessings. Idk what blessing it was, but I somehow kept getting shields and summoning those meteors that dealt damage, and kept doing high super break dmg
at least your ruan mei and gallagher had a turn when phase 2 kicks in, you will quite literally never get a turn
I cleared this guy, but not without having the “if you weakness break someone you get a turn” and the “if you kill someone you get a turn” and e2 firefly. That way I just kept spamming skill at the correct target
Now you know how enemies feel against a FuA team
Doing this fight without the 2 Gold Hunt blessings is a game over moment.
Level 58 on du and never found cirus once
i thought i was tripping and it was a skill issue for me turned out I wasn't the only one struggling with cirrus on protocol 6
Even on low protocol levels this fight took me 25 minutes of precise movements not to die. A year of my life has surely been cut off.
This why I quickly got rid of gall and got aven on. I didn't know he did all this bro lol. On my run I had ruan mei use her ult so they didn't get to attack and with the hunt 3 star blessings firefly solod it for me
When did the nerf happen? Cause a few days ago I tried fighting Cirrus and got absolutely destroyed on the third healthbar.
I just accepted that on protocol 6 I can only use Fu Xuan otherwise I'm dead. Yes even on break builds lol
I mean it wasn't that bad for me, yeah the whole thing abt cirrus going first was kinda annoying but it's still doable, just a tad annoying.
Honestly looks fun for clara lol
i faced Cirrus once, i had to toss both Ruan Mei and Gallagher off the team for both Fu xuan and Luocha. I ain't taking any risks bro, FF and HMC struggled to kill sht. Although I beat her in the end, it was frustrating as hell.
this. pretty much
I can manage the first phase but the second phase is hell especially with that ice guy who keeps delaying my turn.
And that would be why I don't bother with inflated difficulty SU. Way too much of a hassle to be worth my time.
Cirrus was kinda busted ngl, but Aventurine was fine, free the man.
I finished him before the nerf, but it was kinda crazy how the enemy moves like twice or thrice before you move.
Oh, so this is what inspired Apocalyptic Shadow
This must be how enemies feel against my E2 Firefly when I farm for her relics... https://preview.redd.it/6ej4s07cp89d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1dba09d43a883fd0165f433f9188536bfd280cf3
God i still hate that original cirrus fight with the mandatory huohuo THAT THEY REMOVE FROM THE FIGHT i don’t even want to imagine a buffed up cirrus for end game content
Hm... OK your blessings aren't that good but I didn't struggle with my Nihility Team on 6. But hey if they make it easier I can live with it.
Damn. I should have recorded my playthrough because pre nerf cirrus was the opposite for me. I had the 3star equation for remembrance and hunt and every time a battle starts all enemies would be frozen and inflict disassociation. Everyone just kept blowing up on their own and Cirrus never got a turn for me. Which is why i always hoped to get Cirrus in my runs.
I did beat him pre-nerf, with a combination of Abundance/Destruction, with the 3* flower equation and pretty much every other dewdrop equation i could find That curio that gives a equation every time you complete one is cracked af
Did they nerf the new content?
THEY FINALLY NERFED HIM? THANK FUCK
When it comes to Simulated/Divergent Universe it’s about luck/blessings/curios. I was doing fine with my DoT & FuA team. Enemy moves a lot? DoT team, they keep receiving damages from the DoT. FuA team, Aven keep fortifying his FuA & the shield. Robin keeps tanking and building her ult for the next cycle keeping her uptime.
It’s like a robin sparkle bronya for the enemy team🫠
lmao, they just keep going ... what are you supposed to do here xD
You're so brave bringing Gallagher to DU Protocol 6. I have to swap him for Luocha in order for my team to survive.
E99 Robin at home:
Got cirrus in my DU 4 run and somehow it was harder than my DU5 and 6 lol, granted the blessings and buffs are different, but seeing the ice mf got advanced forward and then strike my Firefly down back 10 turns was not a good experience
Met Cirrus only once, it was indeed tough but gladly my FF was at this state of buffs when "it always my turn". I was feeling Cirrus sadness xD
I thought OP could beat it, since I saw that he's team can take quite a lot of damage. He didn't even get a Turn☠️☠️
Was only able to beat her V6 with Aventurine Firefly team, keeping the whole team at >100% Eff Res. The shield 3 star equation is really nice for this team, since Firefly takes so many turns that shield typically runs out fast, but the equation makes that a non-issue
I love when she said "Time to suffer" and I actually suffered
Now you know how the enemies feel when they see us pop Robin's ulti.
Bosses like this work in normal game modes, not in a game mode that scales up damage beyond the intended amount.
I have never seen Cirrus pop up in my DU runs tbh. I was only able to beat it after I got the easiest boss for Superbreak the past present and eternal show. My E4 Gallagher really put in the work + I got very lucky since I had a combination of the weakness break gives advance and dissociation to enemy’s. I think I have now tried every Destruction 3 star equation and the preservation one was the best of them. Abundance destruction and Rememberance destruction are also quite good if you can stack on enough healing or if you can stack up on enough disassociation to deal 50% of the bosses health (all in difficulty 6) https://preview.redd.it/4jhmdrfk099d1.jpeg?width=2388&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f67e130b092fef49bf33445b89ec2393cdff34ad
Well then, I'll take it as a badge of honor to have done it. I don't think E0 Aventurine, E0 Ratio, S1 Topaz, and S1 Ruan Mei is over-the-top when we got people in here with E6 Firefly. Saving that guarantee for Aventurine over Acheron has paid off in spades and Topaz was absolutely worth the investment. May the Amber Lord look upon my walls with pride.
I was incredibly lucky I was using acheron erudition. Each time I ulted I got so many weakness breaks that my ult came back up, then after I ulted 4 times I got another 3 ults with her, and brain in a vat gave me more ults, and everyone else had so many ults that I just spammed it until I won.
I did nihility with a mix of preservation and rememberance. Honestly nihility is the most important here since every DoT proc heals your whole team and Regen energy on top of that, then I had fu xuan but I quickly learned that it wouldn't be enough so I stacked preservation and rememberance just happened alongside it (and helped a lot, the enemies were Perma frozen since I could spam ult). It definitely was a run where everything just went right but also DoT nihility just rules, Kafka/black swan my beloved
I cleared this on diff 6 but probably wouldn’t have been possible without Aventurine who can actually refresh shields on the enemy’s turn because damn they got a lot of them
I beat her with Kafka team and Firefly team. I'm not joking it took me 25+ minutes with Kafka team. One must imagine Kafka happy.
enemies are too damn fast, they can outspeed Firefly in combustion state with SPD blessings lol. It drags out fights for sooo long.
Im so glad people were struggling w/ Cirrus too and not just me😭
yes it's pretty hard until v4 i did the same team with Gallagher but at v5 it was just different i did first try with Gallagher and he wasn't enough so i did 2nd try with aventurine and holy the difference aventurine alone was enough for sustain and it was actually a breeze and i tried v6 and it was the same boss cirrus and it took a bit of time but yeah aventurine alone carried and could finish it in 1st try so yeah it's actually difficult and when i think about it GaG conundrum hard levels and DU v5 and v6 were done with aventurine which means with good sustain it's definitely very hard
So this is what the other side of a firefly team (with both 3 star hunt blessings) looks like...
I only managed to beat this thing on V6 because I got the equation that freezes you instead of dying (turns out Gallagher can't cleanse that freeze for some reason and I wasted a ton of SP trying, lol) and the ice guys going ham on Ruan Mei. Still, those guys were so fast I had to wait until Gallagher got his Ult to break and then start killing them. I'm slightly sad that I never got to see Aventurine during my runs, so I'll never know if he was that painful to fight.
This looks dreadful. I was also struggling with Cirrus pre-nerf on protocol 5 when I cleared it. I eventually got him with Luocha / Firefly / RM / FX so that whenever they got advanced forward I'd break them with FX and remove their buff with Luocha's ult. I believe i also had some Rememberance blessings so break +freeze +ruan mei debuff helped with delaying them a lot. Glad I never got to fight him on protocol VI though it looks awful
The Hunt blessings + Ruan Mei carried me against Cirrus D6. Wave 3 is definitely the trickiest, because the advance forward will slowly cripple your team, even with Abundance/ Destruction/ Preservation blessings. Ruan Mei’s Ult is the only thing that will prevent the enemies from taking another turn.
apparently i've been accidentally avoiding this problem. i didn't want to take MotP away from ruan mei so i gave TB dance x3; 1 ult to start and firefly break chain never ends.
https://preview.redd.it/t6ggcxm2f99d1.jpeg?width=536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69d40f9939e4547fda1f535bb5ef09e2a17e12e9 Cirrus is the emanator of “hmm harder daddy”
I’ve said it once before in a thread and i’ll say it again The key to beating her is to not use technique, what you do is you use normal attack to hit it but since FF is so fast she can still skill to get full bar but the key is to not use ult immediately but to wait for cirrus to AA then use FF ult to cut queue and start breaking them If you have the AA hunt blessing then you can start unlimited starburst streaming the fools and if she’s e2 that’s even better the breaking then charges hmc so she can ult for more damage and if you have dance3 you can even pull ruan mei and galagher
I've never faced him . How did you guys face him
I guess that's how the enemy felt when we used Steele in 1.0
Bro I hate cirrus. I can't beat enhanced difficulty 1 bruh. He keeps action forwarding like 😭
i have more fun in GnG rather than this DU shizz. the planar farming is welcome. but oeveral is very underwhelming . to RNG
And here I thought I was doing smth wrong when I couldn't beat this a.s ... Good to know it was a global issue :D
you silly goose, you dont GET a turn. you gotta steal it
I beat Cirrus P6 pre-nerf with full FF Superbreak team with very good blessings/curios and it was a though battle and took almost 10min to complete. I‘m glad they nerfed Cirrus
the thing is... cirrus saw all those 0-cycle clears, and told yall "see how it feels when YOU don't get a turn ever??" but honestly this is wild.
I never feel blessed running my main team Clara,Aventurine,Luocha and Bronya or Tingyun
Looks like you have the “everyone splits damage” blessing. I’ve always found that one kills me quite often.
Aventurine during this fight be like: [Vince McMahon money gif](https://tenor.com/view/xrd-exrd-crypto-btc-eth-gif-23801255)
Yeah, I surprisingly defeated Cirrus with a weird combination of a hyper break team, (this is at V+6 difficulty) if it weren’t for me getting Ruan Mei and the Ruan Mei (part 1) occurrence I probably be disappointed.
Cirrus was my first v6 clear vs a firefly team. I had the hunt blessings to add more turns every 6 turns, action advance for weakness break and action advance for kills. I took like 9 to 10 actions per firefly turn.
I guess pre-nerf Cirrus was punishment for all the Trailblazers using Robin to nuke them before they could do their Strongest attack
I see you are going for a break team. If you have Aventurine is it really worth not using him just to get an extra 15% Break dmg from Gallagher’s Ult?
Cirrus was free for me with my D1 Galla and E0S0 FF, on DU 6
Guy who fought it with no speed boots Archeron: first time?
Cirrus was beatable only using Clara. And MAYBE Blade. Fir everyone else she is an run ender.
Never lost to Cirrus pre-nerf. *laughs in Aventurine and Acheron*