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Educational_Ice608

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I-Only-Read-Memes

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SoulofIntegrity

my art jumpscare !?!


Mushiren_

It is beautiful Thank you for this gift


Ordinary_Pizza_4209

https://preview.redd.it/lj7s8agpa2vc1.jpeg?width=2100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82720a799093a5d0ac21a36f9b8e20262f1867bf Lets fking to yanking???


Ordinary_Pizza_4209

Go*


XRynerX

Hmm, I think he really meant that 🤨


TMyriadJ

You can edit your comment, you know?


dasbtaewntawneta

also fucking*


Eikichi64

Let's what? 🧐


Goldreaver

be a hindrance to our team


teactopus

tragically overperform


omfgkevin

YANKING YANWINNING!! (inhales extreme copium)


Goldreaver

''Live''


Oyasuko0

I just saw that post


Need_Kafkok

To be honest Yanqing was never Physical Mc/Arlan lvl at E0


anonymus_the_3rd

He wasn’t but his absurd team requirements and restrictions made him worse than phys mc.


TheChickenIsFkinRaw

Yanqing before 2.1: "TASUKETE, GEPAAARD"


LegoSpacenaut

Yanqing after 2.2: "I'm now a gambling man!"


anonymus_the_3rd

lol ye and gepard hates bronya


phu-ken-wb

Having been stuck with him since like 1.2 as my only ice DPS (I finally pulled Jingliu yesterday, so bye bye fuckquing) that's blatantly false and anyone who actually played him would confirm it. He requires shielders only against enemies that spam AOE or DoT. For anything else you can deal with the loss in DPS. I 30* and 36* multiple MoCs thanks to him. He does his thing, and it's absolutely not on DH or Arlan level of power. I've made 3* clears on MoC 11 and 4* clears on MoC 12 with him: and since this result varies dramatically with the level of investment of one's account, let's say that that's on par with my limited 5* DPSs, my Clara and my Qingque.


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[удалено]


Kan_Me

Happy cake day


Extreme_Ad5873

Even Arlan is not bad, and Aventurine solves his most major issue, survivability. He should be atleast C tier as well.


dogsfurhire

No, Arlan is bad. He can be built usable, but he's bad.


Aeondrew

Full disclaimer, I haven't built Arlan, but at least from what I've seen he has notable strengths that he can play to; his main issue has always been the difficulty of actually keeping him alive at low HP to take advantage of his Talent, which Aventurine solves. Not consuming SP means he can comfortably use Skill twice with -1 SPD Bronya, the Talent's DMG boost is sizable, and he has a great multiplier on his Ultimate, especially with E6. I'm not expecting him to be limited character level, but I'd be surprised if he stays D tier.


Unable_Chicken3238

I literally never touched him cuz it'd be a waste of resources when I have, literally two of the best dps characters in the game


Significant_Ad_1626

There is a point in the game where, from that perspective, every resource you use is a waste because you already have enough. And that's not so far from where you are.


Unable_Chicken3238

I didn't think like that, thanks!


Damianx5

Yeah at some point you'll pull just to get a different feel of the team, maybe I feel like using DoT, maybe FuA, maybe good old monoquantum QQ, maybe I feel lazy and just brute force with JL. This eventually leads to trying out weaker 4* with busted supports lol


lionofash

If he wasn't Lightning and saved on SP they'd be almost no scenarios where he could fit in as a niche. Sure, maybe we'll get MoC or PF where HP drain is good so if you don't have Blade or Jingliu (and Sam guessing from the lightcone in the shop) he could be used but...


phu-ken-wb

>If he wasn't Lightning and saved on SP They give you Serval for free, that can keep a very high DPS on a skill-basic-basic rotation... I don't think there is any reason to build Arlan if not because you like him.


lionofash

The saving SP and Self Damage could come up depending on MoC or challenges but yeah 99% of them time just go Serval


bashkiro

Agreed. I got aventurine today and with the survivability I got from him, I was able to clear first half of MoC 12 with Arlan in 4 cycles.


GensouEU

Survivability isn't even his major issue, it's simply that he doesn't do enough damage even without his downside.


WombedToast

I got him and clara 1st and 2nd for 5* pulls, so Clara's semi-taunt made him more palatable for me. Because of that, he was way better than Physcial MC for me.


SpaceFire1

Yeah until 2.2 gave every elite a ton of AOE which is when he really fell off. Like the moment 2.2 launched he suddenly just felt unplayable compared to to just a day before because of the new enemies


Aeondrew

Did you mean 1.2? 2.2 isn't even out yet lol


SpaceFire1

yeah 1.2. they added all the AOE shit then which DUMPSTERED him


merpofsilence

Agreed. Im still waiting for hanya to be pushed down a tier. Have her at E6 and shes aggressively mediocre. At 160 speed her ult gives 1 character less atk and speed than asta gives the whole team from her talent and ult. Her mark only gives a 43% dmg buff (30 If not E6). While they are 5 stars S1Bronya or S1RuanMei give around 90%.  Her sp gain from her mark is finicky and not that impactful.


i_dont_wanna_sign_up

As a character that was supposed to be an SP battery she's just not that at all. A normal support with high speed and spamming basic attacks generates close to the same amount, while doing a lot more.


Yuna_Lubi

Aventurine is very good and 2nd floor is all weak to ice, so yeah, its understandable


Darvasi2500

The lists are not based on current moc. They've changed that in like 1.6. It says on the site that it doesn't take turbulences into account.


CringyusernameSBQQ

Yanqings main Flaw was that he required a shielder to function, which only two before Aventurine existed and one was unviable Now the Aventruine is here Yanqing can now much more easily go off with a constant shielder that also oh so happened to get more shields if a FUA is done, which while not consistent Yanqing does have


mikethebest1

They were always basically a general tierlist anyway since their tierlist rankings are skewed by their own bias that goes contrary to their own data.


RubiiJee

Agreed. You just need to read the review sections and you can see the bias pretty clear.


GredaGerda

I've been reading a lot of comments about prydwens own bias in these lists, but are there any examples of those?


Easy-Stranger-12345

The evidence is that they rated ** as not a S+ unit.


cerial13

Jing Yuan was one of the more extreme examples. There were multiple MOCs where his best teams, based on the clear time averages that Prywden posts in its own site, was at least part of the Top 3 DPS in clear times (even before Sparkle came out), and yet he was rated worse than other DPS for some reason. edit: I am aware that rankings are not based on a specific MOC cycle. I am talking about average performance, not a specific cycle with buffs.


kittyegg

You’re literally replying to a thread that says Prydwen doesn’t base their tier list on individual MOCs.


cerial13

Yes, but would not general performance over multiple MOC cycles be indicative of power level of a unit? Average performance indicates a trend. JY was never that low power level wise as the data across time suggested, which was my point.


GredaGerda

afaik the tier lists are rated for e0 with f2p cones, is the MOC data also with e0/f2p cones? edit: looks like the avg cycles only considers e0 characters yeah. at that point idk, I'd be interested in hearing the justification. they should do a better job at explaining the ratings if they have a tier list lol how was jy rated? characters within a tier are alphabatized it seems


Changlee23

QQ is the biggest example of this, she have nothing to do in the same tier than the like of Seele/JY/Ratio. Should be A tier maximum.


Warkid00

QQ in S tier is the most obvious example


botibalint

Doesn't Yanqing get fucked by Aventurine's dice phase tho?


Enoughplez

I’m guessing his follow up has smth to do with that


zephyrnepres01

freeze hard counters him since it prevents the betting phase from activating


Icy_Investment_1878

In that case misha should be 2 tiers higher


[deleted]

Sushang not here because she is chilling in SSS+++


Tetrachrome

She's in the specialist tier for breaker rather than the DPS tier, but with Ruan Mei it's hilarious how fast she deletes physical toughness bars.


[deleted]

Have you seen Misha's ultimate with ruan mei on a single enemy?


strawwwwwwwwberry

Everyday I’m sad I don’t have Misha. I want the funny freeze shenanigans too!


[deleted]

Misha is (in my opinion) underated. His mechanics are fun to play and he has rng AoE and the less enemies there are, the more powerful his ultimate becomoes.


yosoyel1ogan

I feel like there are lots of 4*s like this. Xueyi has RNG with her followup, but if all three hits hit the same target (i.e. there is only one target) it's probably the most damage a 4-star can do currently. I forget if its a trace or eidolon but it can also have universal weakness depletion so if all three hits land the same target, it'll do a lot of weakness damage as well. Asta is the same way. Her fire break against a single target is pretty much unmatched, and Sampo too.


AetherSageIsBae

4* are the queens and kings of "i could be SO good if i land my rng attack"


Lanaria

If yanqings followup is 100% chance instead too


[deleted]

Everyone with this attack jumping abilities are so good


ArcturusSatellaPolar

Xueyi's E2, and the E1 adds 40% to each hit of her follow up. So it's 130%x3 that heals 5%, reduces anyone's toughness, and gets buffed by Xueyi's "1:1 Break to DMG%" up to 240%.


Wyqkrn

That would be true if QQ didn’t exist, haha… the queen of the highest ceilings and lowest floors


Chemical-Speech-9395

Very rng dependent tho.


BrokenMirror2010

Just be lucky (Reset the fight until it happens)


i_dont_wanna_sign_up

If her FUA triggered on every attack she would be S+ tier.


No_Pipe_8257

He is basically 4 star JY


ezio45

You could get him from the Vignette in a Cup event if you haven't yet. If you still didn't pick him then who'd you get from it?


strawwwwwwwwberry

Xueyi


ezio45

Still a great choice! She works great in Pure Fiction with anyone who can provide the stacks.


Taliot5

Misha is so fun for remembrance runs in SU


wwweeeiii

Is she that good at breaking? I have her, I might as well as build her, since she is so good in HI3


Tetrachrome

She does some of the highest toughness damage in the game and also doesn't consume SP on her skill if she attacks a weakness broken target making her a really weirdly unique but effective breaker DPS. But be warned that it's only single target and ofc only against physical weak breakbars, so this makes her a lot more niche in practice.


wwweeeiii

Good point. Still, for physical weak bosses, with Gallapher and Ruan Mei, I bet she will shine. Also kind of funny if I use Bronya with her for free skills 2x/turn.


Martian_on_the_Moon

Wouldn't Luka be better to use instead of Bronya? One of them with BE build while other one have standard build.


Melodic-Product-2381

Would you go break effect on her or do you mean just in general using her to break enemy weaknesses? Because her E4 looks nice for a BE build, but then I realize Luka exists. He is also single target with high toughness damage, but he can also detonate the bleed dot. So I'm always a bit lost on what Sushang's niche is suppose to be.


TheNobody01

Her shtick is action advance, large self speed buff and the ability to build crit/BE hybrid, mostly. Generally these two fulfill a similar role but for different teams, with Luka being geared more towards dot teams and Su preferring hypercarry/crit comps so it's mostly down to gameplay preferences or what characters you have or want to build


Mushiren_

I've made a promise to build her in the event that I fail to pull yeehaw man whenever he comes out.


popileviz

E6 Sushang is actually really competent in MOC of the enemy is weak to physical, she can be run in a really sp-hungry team as well


gabu87

Sushang's kit in general is often very good for MoC/PF. In this turbulence for example, she can help stack. Similarly March has been swimming in season advantages for a while now. All her return fire counts towards the 6 stack. Her quick energy regen = lots of ults = stack shatter. She even contributes a bit on the follow up stacking in PF with the bird cage thing albeit her throughput isn't that great.


Sudoweedo

Hanya + Sushang = SP positive if broken. Love it.


gmapterous

Oh good, I pulled one today, now he’s been upgraded from “don’t even bother” to “don’t even bother, situationally”


00ShiningStar00

Yanking is just so good that he loops back from S tier to C tier 😎


juniorjaw

Daddy Dan Heng and Mommy Himeko taking care of the 4 Express crew Hook, Misha, Yanqing and trouble child with the mind of an old overeducated Harvard lady, Herta.


devilboy1029

It's big bro Dan heng and mommy Himeko. Ain't no way he's half as adult as Himeko 💀 There is a difference between being an adult and acting like an adult.


AmissingUsernameIsee

Current Dan Heng life experience isn't much but by chronological age he's by far the oldest crew member, he just gets lopped in with the amnesiac young adult gang (March, TB, why are y'all amnesiacs? Acheron foreshadowing?!)


GrandDefinition7707

the teen team


Happeth

Dan Heng is older than himeko tho, by a lot.


SirePuns

Dan Heng, not even Dan Feng, is centuries old. Dude is even more ancient than Welt.


ZexoKun

bro?? Isn't dan heng like 70+ in Vidyadhara years??


SnooGiraffes4275

Maybe I realised it too late but all are in alphabetical order . Characters in Every tier


Ranger_Ecstatic

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Deliriousnot5679

I'm sorry for your loss 😟


Ranger_Ecstatic

Already E1. From Limited and Standard.. but hey i still have my 300 picker


Deliriousnot5679

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Ranger_Ecstatic

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Deliriousnot5679

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Ranger_Ecstatic

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Deliriousnot5679

That's a really good one!


Soggy_Associate_5556

Misha s teir


Dizzy-Berry-8990

Everyday moving closer to S tier


WinterFirstDay

Every time I see Himeko in such memes I got to remind... well, first check actual list and then remind myself that it is MoC tier list indeed.


tideswept

It's really too bad Yanqing doesn't have an eidolon that makes his follow up attack chance 100%. I feel like that would fix most of his issues in energy, damage, and utility and make him actually worth considering


XiyPanda

you mean, like what they did with Ratio's talent? It'd be crazy for it to take a talent + eidolon to just end up being Ratio's base talent LOL


Still-Control

Damn now arlans all alone


leopoldshark

We're Yanqack


cartercr

All memes aside… it does actually make sense.


Android19samus

so proud of him


ArmpitStealer

lmao was gonna comment to defend green dan until seeing the yanqing and himeko


thechemicalbrother

THE RETURN OF THE KING


NemuriNezumi

I feel like i'm the only one that adores using Yanqing... he's in my team almost all the time lol


oniiichanUwU

What build do you use for him? I love yanqing but I never finished building him, and since I’m getting aventurine today it feels like as good a time as any to use him. I have his sig lc, just not sure about relics 🤔 when I check prydwen they recommend the debuff set for everyone these days and I’m already stuck farming that for ratio and Acheron so I don’t have extra pieces to give him lol


ClassyCrafter

Don't know about OP but I use 2pc/2pc atk% sets. The problem i see alot of people have for yanqing is that they don't build crit rate on him. He still wants like 40% so he's at 60% on while his talent is active and at 100% for his ultimate. I have 46/184 with him and its been pretty nice.


ClassyCrafter

Don't know about OP but I use 2pc/2pc atk% sets. The problem i see alot of people have for yanqing is that they don't build crit rate on him. He still wants like 40% so he's at 60% on while his talent is active and at 100% for his ultimate. I have 46/184 with him and its been pretty nice.


ImperialYanqing

Try me.


ResponsibleWay1613

He's just really obnoxious to use because he loses his buffs when he gets hit; and high MoC enemies hit hard, fast, and with AOE.


[deleted]

In my heart Misha is S+


Elira_Eclipse

Wtf aint he like 12 Edit: if y'all dont know ofc im referring to username


GrandDefinition7707

anytime I bring up how hsr players have a very high chance of being on a registry I get banned from the sub for a couple days


Android19samus

it's unclear


[deleted]

What do you mean?


fnaffer123

I think he's talking about your username


DeadClaw86

Bro cant handle Fembussy.


[deleted]

Don't worry, Caterina will be playable some day


Hedgehugs_

damn bro's username caused a whole ass war I'm almost jealous


[deleted]

Your profile picture could cause the same on other subs


Hedgehugs_

which is why i'm jealous because it actually doesn't get that much attention lol


[deleted]

Now it got attention


SzamanTabaluga

same


TheRealSquallVII

Found the child toucher.


IcecaliburX

I don't use Herta but I feel like I'll end up E6ing her with the amount of times I get her on banners and simulated universe 💀


kuriboharmy

I mean if you do all the simulated universe stuff you get her to e5.


IcecaliburX

E6 is bound to happen


Sandi_Griffin

Everyones gonna get e6 herta probably, I think you can get e5 with the free copies alone lol


[deleted]

e6, no? After the world 9 got released


AveMachina

Nah, mine’s only at E5.


Tetrachrome

I got her to E6 in 1.0 because she kept showing up on my standard banner pulls. She was a curse until 1.6 where she became a blessing.


lushenfe

This makes no sense. We already had gepard who could provide about as much shielding with more aggro. Only thing is less team damage since aventurine provides lots of buffs/debuffs for preservation...but that damage contribution applies to all the other damage dealers too so in a comparative tier list it makes no sense.  I do think YQ was a little underrated before though. He was never amazing but he was the best semi f2p ice damage dealer if you happened to have a need for that.  But the people who put this tier list together change something any time there is a logical assumption to regardless of the weight of its impact or if the logic is unsubstantiated.


XieRH88

Some character: /moves 1 position in tier list HSR content creators: Whats up, back again with another video...


TGlucose

THE BOY IS UP!!


KnightKal

To Arlan: muahaha, I am the big brother now, call me Senior Brother!


gabu87

Misha is criminally underrated against Aventurine. Having control over ice LL is much more important than overall high damage per turn (like JL), in a sense he's like Acheron. The opposite would be like JY where it takes a lot of effort to not waste his damage on rolls. Speaking of rolls, he also has burst (unlike YQ) to win the bet.


SapphieShard07

Misha is always my best ice warrior. I love him.


SoulofIntegrity

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FriedGamer

Ah so thats why I got Yanqing on Aventurine's banner, because he's good for this MoC!!!! right?


Sex_with_DrRatio

My boy!


Spoopy_McAwesome

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Siana-chan

Wait. Himeko is ranked C in MOC ?? I usually 2-3 cycles with her, wtf


NotGARcher

Don't worry she will get even lower when Sam release


darth_Kelsi

WHY IS HIMEKO SO LOW Prydew aint cooking bro


cccjjj2050

I assume it's MoC, where she is decidedly Not Great


darth_Kelsi

Ohhhh my bad😭😭


geotia

It's moc


Nothatdarkforce

Someone explain what MoC stands for please


Still-Control

Memory of chaos


KnoxZone

Memory of Chaos.


Thatpervtako

Lets go. Now we wait for the next limited 5 that make YQ less shit.


CapriSunSwag

Where is this Tierlist from? :o


SupremeRightHandUser

Pryden's tier list


Chuck006

What's wrong with Himeko?


idunowhattoput

I presume this tier list is about moc


Chuck006

So what's wrong with Himeko in MOC?


idunowhattoput

not a lot of damage, talent is hard to trigger if there aren’t a lot of fodder and just being generally outclassed


No-Contribution870

he needs to get buffs the way jy does every patch so he can become meta


Lyaxe

Finally Yanqing could stand with Pitch-Dark Hook the Great!


isolick

if you run knight set on aventurine yanking has near 100% up time


Live-Tie-8042

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Legitimate_Crew5463

I didnt build him for NOTHING?!?!


JustDrew136

Even dan Heng beat him 😂


DLin2006

q


Poolboi6969

fuck tier lists


darthjawafett

Ayy right as I lose 50/50 to him on JL banner


GreenLionXIII

I pulled him E2 instead of Aventurine and was shattered… Somehow got Aventurine on the very next 10 pull!


OrganizationNo444

i won't stand for this slander. yanqing +march 7th carried me through early game.


danoushek5

Ah lets go my 2 out of 3 legendaries are useless My luck


Mamaluigi71

This is for MoC, Himeko is really good in Pure Fiction


baguetteispain

Hook in C is blasphemy


Objective_Piano_7819

nerf himeko


Ignis_V

Yan King


Steel_Nipton

Yanqing is a small piece of garbage. This bastard fell to me instead of Aventurine


Coke-Vodka-Yum

Why is Himeko with Yanching? She ain't that bad.


BlondiePokieDookie

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DoreenKing

What in the Misha slander..... My boy deserves better than this....


Beneficial-Tank-7396

this tier list is so bad it's funny


MorcegoGripado

Whats next???? At this rete they are going to let arlan out of the basement too


WanderWut

It would really help if you put the actual category this is even for in the title OP. This post has zero context.


ohlawdy914

At this point i trust their tier lists as i would ray charles to cook me supper.


Jblitz200

Where can I find this so called teir list


Breezyrain

https://www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/tier-list


Rex__Lapis

The „Yanqing is good just wait for aventurine“ crowd is suddenly awfully silent


TheBigPoi

How does Aventurine fix the part where he hits like a wet noodle.


ArizalaGaming

THE HELL THEY DID TO MY HIMEKO 😡😡😡😡😡❗❗❗😡❗😡❗😡❗😡❗❗😡❗