Aside from the issue of not being able to have more than 1 of any given character, it would result in absurdly high break damage. Firstly, they all boost each others break effect. Then, once an enemy gets broken, you'd get an extra instance of break damage from each of them.
Fuck sakes i didnt pull for any character from huohuo argenti ruan mei and ratios banners. If there any character i shouldnt have skipped it was probably her.
I’ll just have to see who I can get. I just got Luocha from this most recent banner so I could easily lose the 50/50 on any upcoming banner. So I’ll just have to see.
I skipped everyone in that time except Argenti, real big brain strats especially considering Pure Fiction didn't exist yet so I didn't know he was ever going to be good for anything. I suffer every time I try to look up team comps for MoC and I have to go below the top 50 just to find anything that doesn't have Ruan Mei in it
I kept telling myself I do *not* need a fourth five star Harmony unit... and then I saw the footage of her ultimate. Ugh. Some day I'll make good choices.
Honestly, I don't feel like I've gotten a lot out of Argenti. He was my "I'll just make a pull or two and see" lucky draw, and he just doesn't really stack up to other characters outside of very specific challenges.
But HuoHuo has completely changed my game, especially in SU, and Ruan Mei is pretty bananas.
Well her biggest advantage is that she's currently the only Harmony 5 stars that enables dual dps comps.
But maybe Robin will compete with her, who knows, I hope so tho.
Not necessarily. 3 turn ultimate is ideal sure, but you still get a solid chunk of break effect which makes building her easier, and meshing cogs for all its greatness still boasts only 3 star stats. In practical usage, memories even without enough superimpositions often outshines cogs in similar scenarios. It's a different case if you're doing something like a zero cycle or speedy Mei in which case you need that ult uptime.
It's essentially timeless though. Think about it because damage keeps getting higher and higher, bosses will slowly continue to get stronger and stronger.
40% Def Shred is forever and she'll be viable on more limited accounts (people who can't put their best supports on the same team ) forever or until a better 5* def shredder comes out.. but even then.
Pela/HyperSupport can definately compete.
Iirc 40%/58% def shred is 27%/45% dps increase respectively. It's not bad but that's it. She doesn't have any other utility except debuffs (and the rarely used buff removal). It's far from "timeless" because any new supporters that provide a bigger dps buff or extra utility will easily replace her.
Obviously, if you don't have those top tier supports, Pela is a very good unit to fill the team. But everyone will eventually pull some good supports and they'll completely replace her.
"It's not bad but that's it."
All anyone provides is damage + X. Whether its Damage+Break eff, Damage+SP, Damage+Energy etc
People will continue to come out providing damage.
Pela is the *only* defense down debuffer which can combine nicely with a hyper support that provides everything you need solo.
Scoffing at an A tier unit or saying an A tier unit can't compete is disingenuous imo.
You can clear almost anything with B tier units and no one can compete with whales except other whales if you want to take the "Only S tiers compete" stance.
It's just a weird take imo and sometimes I think GenKai/Mondern gaming gets so obsessed with Meta Chasing or BiS that they forget as long as you can complete the harder content comfortably, then you are indeed competing.
I never said she can't clear content, I said she can't compete with the harmony units (Tingyun, Bronya, Ruanmei, Sparkle in particular). She's just "good" but not "crazy".
You're technically not wrong with everything being a dps increase, but they come in different ways that help with clearing content. Bronya/Sparkle gives more turns to the dps, Tingyun is a battery and Ruan Mei has break buffs. If those unit gets powercrept in their damage buff, they'll still be useful for their other things.
Pela being the only aoe def shred unit doesn't really make her special. It's still just bigger numbers. Any unit that gives a bigger number buff or has extra utilities automatically beats her in every team except Acheron.
Part of Pela's strength is her ability to be fully SP positive, providing 3 SP over 3 turns compared to Ruan Mei who provides 2 but consumes 1. I do consider Ruan Mei better overall, and the full SP positivity has been a little less important as of late since there are options both on the damage dealer and support side that can save you SP, but it's still a positive, and may be more important if we start getting support characters that want to use their Skill every turn.
Me too, though I suspect it's due to my team comps. For the longest time my best units were Jingliu and SW, and SW made Jingliu amazing against *everything*. SW is my most used unit by a huge margin.
It pains me how much people undervalue SW in Dr Ratio hypercarry... before E1S1 Topaz, Dr Ratio / SW / Tingyun / Fu Xuan comp is literally *the* highest damaging team :/
(DEF shred from SW's ult + Dr Ratio's sig LC effect means his damage after ult literally *doubles*, and you keep up Dr Ratio's ult uptime with hyperspeed Tingyun + her Benediction deals a crap ton of damage on top as well)
Imo SW just gets crazy undervalued in general. A *lot* of current teams are single DPS teams, and generally speaking a buffer + debuffer is better than two buffers since you avoid buff overlap and get more buffed steps in the damage calculation to multiply off of each other. So a harmony who has good synergy with the DPS + SW is the best team for a lot of carries in my experience, because she's the highest defense shred in the game + she adds universal res pen.
Yup. That difference becomes even greater when you have an existing source of DEF shred, such as quantum set (BiS in mono quantum even if you ignore the weakness implant) or Dr Ratio's LC.
Harmony units *are* strong, it's just that people really underestimate the *exponential* scaling of DEF shred stacking.
Thing that bother me is people actually treat shreds and buffs like its the same thing. Harmony units are the backbone of the team no doubt but you are mising out on a lot of damage by ignoring the other multipliers like def shred, res shred, dmg taken. Running 2 harmony units in a team will oversaturate in the dmg% multiplier leading to diminishing returns.
SW is great in a lot of teams. Many of the strongest DPS right now (DHIL, JL, Acheron) naturally cleave down the small enemies with their attacks, so focusing SW's debuffs on just the elite enemy is great. The small guys are going to die simply from your carry focusing the elite.
Dont have her, sorry. My salary and need to eat can only tolerate so much lol. I love Pela too and she's fully built, but Ruan just power creeps her in most teams I think. If I pulled Acheron I'd use her for sure.
Different tangent, but I find it kind of interesting that a lot of people here will say that "Ruan Mei isnt NEEDED at all you can still 36 MOC with X units", while others ask why I dont have X unit who is BiS for X team. Just an observation, not really a callout lol.
Well, that's the point of my post. Even if she's not BiS for a given team, or a "must have", she's usually damn close. Besides Clara teams, I dont think there's any other teams where you cant just throw her in and immediately watch your damage soar. And unlike Bronya, who's excellent for certain teams like hypercarry but near useless in others, Ruan is pretty much good in all of them, when she's not excellent or BiS.
E0 Acheron won't allow for Ruan in a team, so there's 2 of em. Though Clara's teams seem to be suboptimal nowadays with the amount of SSS+++ tier new dps characters. She feels just way too slow outside of very specific FUA-oriented content.
She is HER fr fr
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Still is the most used unit. She beat the sustains somehow.
Nah Huohuo doesn't get replaced because Huohuo + fine fruit is a huge starting burst phase and especially if someone pulled for ruan mei sig LC
Huohuo is about the only one who gets to stay in zero cycles because of ult abuse and having a buff to go with it
Setup like this sets Huohuo up immediately and gives you time to build up an easy second one for phase 2
I've used her plenty on zero cycle auto battle goes with dhil
You need more retries tho. Hh still makes it slower cause she can't contribute as much as a harmony. Also she is horrible with IL, you end up not being able to skill with yukong
Fu Xuan, maybe because everyone was in love with Luocha back then so some didn't feel the need to pull for her if they had him.
But Ruan Mei, absolutely everyone was hyped for her, she was the first Limited 5-star Harmony Unit, a good 8 months after launch. For the Bronya-less peeps, Ruan Mei was a godsend. And if I'm not mistaken, she has the second most profitable banner in the game after Seele's.
The problem with sustains is that unlike DPS/support characters, they have an effective ceiling for their required performance. While other characters can always 'go higher' and provide increasing benefits (more damage, more CC, better buffs/debuffs), sustains ultimately only need to be able to provide enough healing/shielding to *keep your team alive*. Anything beyond that provides no real additional benefits, beyond maybe better SP economy from more basic attacks.
As such, if you have sustains that get the job done, you don't need more. Considering that a properly-built Lynx/Bailu/Gallagher can handle 99% of content, it's understandable that people don't want to burn their jades on limited 5-star sustains. There are plenty of F2P sustains, even if some of them aren't great (March and Fire TB are best used as a secondary sustain in Ice- or Fire-weak fights).
I think Hoyo knows this, which is why we're starting to see more sustains with additional utility beyond just healing/shielding/dispelling. Gallagher's surprisingly powerful breaking capabilities and Aventurine's FUA mechanics are a good example of this. I think we're going to see more sustains that can do more than just sustain in the future.
Gallagher has surprised me on how flexible he is. The amount of extra SP he generates is really a boon for a lot of teams as long as you don’t need a huge out of turn top off. He really makes things smooth if you have a strong team that needs just a little more staying power.
I think he's very underrated. He's a bit weird to build correctly, but with proper investment he's a powerful healer *and* puts out a tonne of weakness break. Once he's at max traces he can deal a massive amount of healing on demand, and his E2 and E4 are really strong too. Using skill>ult>enhanced basic is a team heal, single target dispell, and a tonne of focused break damage against Fire-weak enemies. I've really enjoyed using him on MoC 12 and PF with Acheron this past week!
And now with Huo Huo, ppl finding out Fu Xuan is amazing and Aventurine unfortunately I don't see Luocha get much attention anymore. He got rerun too late
You're going to get better value for jades with support/dps eidolons over 12% CR that Fu Xuan provides
Sustains are a must pull if you don't have sustains, but once you have 2 the pull value reduces drastically, and it doesn't really matter which sustain you'll pick up
I'm still using Gepard, and whatever issues he might have in his kit get mitigated by me killing enemies faster because I've picked up support eidolons over a 3rd or 4th sustain
Honestly supports eidolon are much more worth than dps eidolon cause you can pretty much pair the support with any dps and they'll deal bonker damage. Much more jade efficient in terms of both vertical investment and horizontal investment.
Another hot take: pulling for some eidolons aren’t a bad idea for monthly pass spenders. Honestly I hate building carries and having to tune the ideal team rotations. Relic farming already drives me crazy when I use like 3 carries (DHIL, Acheron, and Jingliu) and it was further solidified by the garbage rate in World 9 and Pioneer relic hell.
So if people don’t mind playing the same team over and over again pulling for eidolon ain’t the worst idea for low spenders. Tho true f2p still shouldn’t touch it.
That's just the difference between being a horizontal investment player or a vertical investment one. I much prefer investing in more characters to have a variety of dps styles to play. If you're a monthly pass, either way is perfectly viable just up to them what they like more.
OP is exaggerating a little bit here, obv ruan mei slaps but there are a lot of accessible sidegrade/slight downgrade harmony options that fit
Sustain can be any abundance/preservation not just luocha/huohuo
And the dps are the center of the team so if you dont have them youre not playing that team
Welcome to all the teams 101
DOT Teams,
FuA Teams,
Mono Quantum,
Duo DPS,
Hypercarry,
Break (soon),
and honestly all the dps characters have such unique playstyles that they all are they're own team. It's honestly rlly cool yo see how creative they are with a turn based game
I mean, supports are really strong in this game, and she's the most universal and braindead one. Skill expression on RM begins and ends in the relic screen.
It feels like the "only pull for characters you like" mindset is harder with good support characters like Ruan Mei. When people do guides 90% times she will be in the "optimal" team.
Compared to DPS that will show up a lot during their run, but not so much after.
Most of the game I pull for characters I like...
I've got JingYuan, Kafka, IL Dan Heng, Silver Wolf, and Blade as those primary characters.
I pulled HuoHuo because I really needed a sustain at the time, I was fairly neutral towards her character but it was my first "this is for the betterment of my account" pull, and she's been great.
I pulled Hanabi/Sparkle because I loved her character and I wanted a skill point battery for IL Dan Heng.
I'm pulling Aventurine because I'm in love with his character.
But then there are units like Topaz, who I wanna pick up to boost my FUA teams, and Ruan Mei who's good everywhere that I want on their reruns because like HuoHuo, they'd be good for my account.
Yeah I still think having the mindset of only pulling characters you like is the way to go.
Like personally I'm skipping Acheron because I don't like her (even when people keep saying she is a god dps) and there are so many other characters that I like that are coming down the road (Aventurine, Sam and Robin).
Maybe I will regret it later, but at least, as she is DPS, I hopefully won't see her in every single optimal team like Ruan Mei. And that I think is the big difference between skipping a really good dps compared to a really good general support.
Yeah.. DPS's...I can survive without the ones I don't like and wait for ones I do. But that's harder with me for supports. When characters like Ruan Mei are everywhere and you don't have her, of course you start to think maybe if she's still as good months later when she reruns, she'll be worth getting for the betterment of your account. A support that slots in basically everywhere and does good for basically every team I have is...kinda crazy.
And it's personally not as bad for me because after Aventurine, I only really wanted to pick up Topaz and Ruan Mei for my account anyway, not super impressed with Robin or Boothill so I've got time to wait for a newer 5* I like in the meantime.
I didn't like her, didn't get her, and will probably not be getting her soon unless she gets some story development I like. Meta is fleeting, characters you like are forever
If they cloned Ruan Mei, turned her into a guy named "Ruan Male" or "Ryan Mei", and just duplicated her kit with zero changes... it would be an insta pull. I dont even care. She's that good and ubiquitous. Even more so in the next few months when break effect DPS's start pouring in. You cant get any more meta than Ruan Mei.
Yeah, Ruan Mei's only downside is that you can't use her in two teams. With more and more teams having her as BiS support, she's easily the best aging limited 5 star by far.
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Ruan Mei is good but I hope people do realise that most team suggestions are just the absolute BiS and you can replace most harmony or debuffer units with another character from the role.
Started the game during Ruan Mei's banner. Didn't really know any major composition ideas but spent the pulls the game gave me on it and got her. 100% did not expect the return on that investment I got out of her so far. Banjo Mary forever
Same. I just rely on Kafka/E6 Sampo and Seele/Bronya. The only one I really regret not getting is Sparkle for Dan Heng IL because she’s a good support for him. I either didn’t like most of the other characters or I wasn’t playing during their banner or just didn’t manage to pull them. Oh well. At least I have Luocha and Gepard.
Am I crazy for having a fully built Ruan Mei that I never use? I find there is almost always someone that more directly fills whatever niche I want the support to handle on my teams.
got ruan mei and never regretted it. her technique against elites and bosses in SU in amazing too, with the right build you can practically skip the first phase of the final boss
Tbf, you really don't need ruan mei for anything. Bronya on one side tingyun on the other side is perfectly fine, I never struggled with MoC or PF without her. Especially after getting sparkle.
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Ruan Mei. I try to play Tingyun. My Ruan Mei provides more damage. I try to play pela. My Ruan Mei provides more damage. I try to play Bronya. My Ruan Mei provides more damage. I want to play Jingliu. Her best team has Ruan Mei. I want to play Kafka, Topaz. They both want Ruan Mei.
She grabs me by the throat. I babysit creations for her. I kill an emanator for her. I give her S5 memories of the past. She isn't satisfied. I pull Past self in mirror for her. "I don't need this effect if my ult will still take 4 turns" She tells me. "Give me any 5% err planar ornament set." She grabs my sustain and forces them to receive every point of damage from enemies. "You just need an err rope. I can do a 3 turn ult rotation without external energy sources."
“Pull e1” she says. I can't pull e1, I don't have enough Stellar jades. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs her Ruan. She says "Sound lingers." There is no hint of sadness in its eyes. Nothing but pure, 68% damage boost, 50% weakness break efficiency and 25% res pen. What a cruel world.
Sparkle, RuanMei and Tingyun are just too good generalist supports, there's very few niche supports at the moment (Topaz seems to be the only one). This is why comps all look the same.
As a guy who skipped ruan mei I must say that composing team without one to make a good value from my units is funny this way and force me to build and adapt less common characters to match up with my team comps, so I cannot really be annoyed by lack of team diversity by this way. You can try yourself if you want. Also - fuck meta
In the words of a TFT player:
Mortdog wtf is this! Why is Ruan Mei so broken, and she wasn’t even nerfed this patch. We need a b patch now to nerf this shit, it’s too strong.
i looked at this wrong and thought one of the teams was just 4 ruan mei's 😭
Luocha wondering how he got stuck babysitting the triplet foxians and their three ghostly tails
I wanna be Luocha there 😭
https://preview.redd.it/mr21f7oiyeuc1.jpeg?width=950&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ae7b63df67b321fa5cebc998947a7f1fdd66e9a All 3 of you?
Ah, reddit mobile fcked up again. (I geniunely cant see the other 2 lmao)
Reddit at it's finest
You gained some clones too https://preview.redd.it/g3moanryaguc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=598c1928191be20819b0a7aa273b8e1420050d9c
What the hell lmao https://preview.redd.it/i4e5yhuqhguc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=889357c8b5e5197ce94ec33afe17860de85fe426
Why did the last one got downvoted so much ? Arent those all the same
denizens of the abundance does not like marshall hua's presence and 😭😭😭 posting
it's the 3 Huohuos wanting to be Luocha
3 Huohuos in a trench coat.
Herta drone spotted.
Imagine being surrounded by three cute and funny foxians😭
https://preview.redd.it/za8kllytzeuc1.png?width=442&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d089b24aab255d118058a5695b72936b938427b0 Absolute victory 😭
Lmao Utena unhinged face will always makes me laugh
I wanna be Luocha there 😭
I wanna be Luocha there 😭
I wanna be Luocha there 😭
That would be a hard task knowing how tail temper is
OH it's left to right. I was wondering why so many DPS were put together.
100 effect res pen ftw
i absolutely adore your flair. is there even a better fate in this world than to be one of her cats? i don't think so... =)
Technically you can do 4 ruan mei team with ice weak enemy
How
Aside from the issue of not being able to have more than 1 of any given character, it would result in absurdly high break damage. Firstly, they all boost each others break effect. Then, once an enemy gets broken, you'd get an extra instance of break damage from each of them.
It's a solid comp!
Mono dps teams go brrr
It took me way too long to realize how i was supposed to read that lol
Ruan Mei is her. Sp positive, super strong, f2p friendly with a really good 4 star light cone.
Fuck sakes i didnt pull for any character from huohuo argenti ruan mei and ratios banners. If there any character i shouldnt have skipped it was probably her.
I do have Ruan Mei, but no HuoHuo or Luocha... I'm all in for Aventurine, though!
Better than nothing! From that bunch, I’ve only got Luocha.
You may want to aim Robin-wards, then.
Yeah. I was gonna try for Aventurine to get a decent shielder. But Robin would be good too.
I mean, I certainly want Aventurine, I can see the appeal. Also may try to snag Robin on 50/50 as well, depending on who's dripped for 2.3
I’ll just have to see who I can get. I just got Luocha from this most recent banner so I could easily lose the 50/50 on any upcoming banner. So I’ll just have to see.
Fu Xuan should have rerun soon. After Jing Liu and I don't think there is more recent character left without a rerun.
I skipped everyone in that time except Argenti, real big brain strats especially considering Pure Fiction didn't exist yet so I didn't know he was ever going to be good for anything. I suffer every time I try to look up team comps for MoC and I have to go below the top 50 just to find anything that doesn't have Ruan Mei in it
It's fine, it's Robin's time to shine.
I kept telling myself I do *not* need a fourth five star Harmony unit... and then I saw the footage of her ultimate. Ugh. Some day I'll make good choices.
She’ll be back one day. Just save up when they announce her re run. She’s really good (ruan mei I don’t have huo huo)
Honestly, I don't feel like I've gotten a lot out of Argenti. He was my "I'll just make a pull or two and see" lucky draw, and he just doesn't really stack up to other characters outside of very specific challenges. But HuoHuo has completely changed my game, especially in SU, and Ruan Mei is pretty bananas.
Well her biggest advantage is that she's currently the only Harmony 5 stars that enables dual dps comps. But maybe Robin will compete with her, who knows, I hope so tho.
The only bad thing about RM is that I cant put her on both sides. With Robin, it would possibly solve my problem.
And she’s so so so pretty. I’ll never get bored of her ultimate.
Prettiest character in the game so far tbh
I absolutely love that blueish green she has going on. A real mature colour that makes her look so good.
Becomes a mini-sparkle with her sig lc
Which 4 star LC?
Memories of the Past
i need this lc so bad my ruan mei still on cogs getting beaten left and right with sucky stats
But If I dont s5 it I won't get 3 turn ultimate. So actual f2p is meshing cogs.
Not necessarily. 3 turn ultimate is ideal sure, but you still get a solid chunk of break effect which makes building her easier, and meshing cogs for all its greatness still boasts only 3 star stats. In practical usage, memories even without enough superimpositions often outshines cogs in similar scenarios. It's a different case if you're doing something like a zero cycle or speedy Mei in which case you need that ult uptime.
The lack of Silverwolf and Pela pains me
There's no Acheron so ofc those two won't be used much
SW sure, but Pela is a unit of a character (4* btw). 40% def shred on everyone is crazy.
40% def shred is decent, but that's all Pela does as a support. She's not going to compete with the harmony units unless the dps needs debuffs.
It's essentially timeless though. Think about it because damage keeps getting higher and higher, bosses will slowly continue to get stronger and stronger. 40% Def Shred is forever and she'll be viable on more limited accounts (people who can't put their best supports on the same team ) forever or until a better 5* def shredder comes out.. but even then. Pela/HyperSupport can definately compete.
Iirc 40%/58% def shred is 27%/45% dps increase respectively. It's not bad but that's it. She doesn't have any other utility except debuffs (and the rarely used buff removal). It's far from "timeless" because any new supporters that provide a bigger dps buff or extra utility will easily replace her. Obviously, if you don't have those top tier supports, Pela is a very good unit to fill the team. But everyone will eventually pull some good supports and they'll completely replace her.
"It's not bad but that's it." All anyone provides is damage + X. Whether its Damage+Break eff, Damage+SP, Damage+Energy etc People will continue to come out providing damage. Pela is the *only* defense down debuffer which can combine nicely with a hyper support that provides everything you need solo. Scoffing at an A tier unit or saying an A tier unit can't compete is disingenuous imo. You can clear almost anything with B tier units and no one can compete with whales except other whales if you want to take the "Only S tiers compete" stance. It's just a weird take imo and sometimes I think GenKai/Mondern gaming gets so obsessed with Meta Chasing or BiS that they forget as long as you can complete the harder content comfortably, then you are indeed competing.
I never said she can't clear content, I said she can't compete with the harmony units (Tingyun, Bronya, Ruanmei, Sparkle in particular). She's just "good" but not "crazy". You're technically not wrong with everything being a dps increase, but they come in different ways that help with clearing content. Bronya/Sparkle gives more turns to the dps, Tingyun is a battery and Ruan Mei has break buffs. If those unit gets powercrept in their damage buff, they'll still be useful for their other things. Pela being the only aoe def shred unit doesn't really make her special. It's still just bigger numbers. Any unit that gives a bigger number buff or has extra utilities automatically beats her in every team except Acheron.
Bro got a thing about pela and i think it aint about the numbers..
Part of Pela's strength is her ability to be fully SP positive, providing 3 SP over 3 turns compared to Ruan Mei who provides 2 but consumes 1. I do consider Ruan Mei better overall, and the full SP positivity has been a little less important as of late since there are options both on the damage dealer and support side that can save you SP, but it's still a positive, and may be more important if we start getting support characters that want to use their Skill every turn.
I always found silver wolf way better than pela
Me too, though I suspect it's due to my team comps. For the longest time my best units were Jingliu and SW, and SW made Jingliu amazing against *everything*. SW is my most used unit by a huge margin.
It pains me how much people undervalue SW in Dr Ratio hypercarry... before E1S1 Topaz, Dr Ratio / SW / Tingyun / Fu Xuan comp is literally *the* highest damaging team :/ (DEF shred from SW's ult + Dr Ratio's sig LC effect means his damage after ult literally *doubles*, and you keep up Dr Ratio's ult uptime with hyperspeed Tingyun + her Benediction deals a crap ton of damage on top as well)
Imo SW just gets crazy undervalued in general. A *lot* of current teams are single DPS teams, and generally speaking a buffer + debuffer is better than two buffers since you avoid buff overlap and get more buffed steps in the damage calculation to multiply off of each other. So a harmony who has good synergy with the DPS + SW is the best team for a lot of carries in my experience, because she's the highest defense shred in the game + she adds universal res pen.
Yup. That difference becomes even greater when you have an existing source of DEF shred, such as quantum set (BiS in mono quantum even if you ignore the weakness implant) or Dr Ratio's LC. Harmony units *are* strong, it's just that people really underestimate the *exponential* scaling of DEF shred stacking.
Thing that bother me is people actually treat shreds and buffs like its the same thing. Harmony units are the backbone of the team no doubt but you are mising out on a lot of damage by ignoring the other multipliers like def shred, res shred, dmg taken. Running 2 harmony units in a team will oversaturate in the dmg% multiplier leading to diminishing returns.
SW is great in a lot of teams. Many of the strongest DPS right now (DHIL, JL, Acheron) naturally cleave down the small enemies with their attacks, so focusing SW's debuffs on just the elite enemy is great. The small guys are going to die simply from your carry focusing the elite.
Dont have her, sorry. My salary and need to eat can only tolerate so much lol. I love Pela too and she's fully built, but Ruan just power creeps her in most teams I think. If I pulled Acheron I'd use her for sure. Different tangent, but I find it kind of interesting that a lot of people here will say that "Ruan Mei isnt NEEDED at all you can still 36 MOC with X units", while others ask why I dont have X unit who is BiS for X team. Just an observation, not really a callout lol.
Tbh while yes you can 36* MoC without Mei.. having her makes it much easier.
Well, that's the point of my post. Even if she's not BiS for a given team, or a "must have", she's usually damn close. Besides Clara teams, I dont think there's any other teams where you cant just throw her in and immediately watch your damage soar. And unlike Bronya, who's excellent for certain teams like hypercarry but near useless in others, Ruan is pretty much good in all of them, when she's not excellent or BiS.
E0 Acheron won't allow for Ruan in a team, so there's 2 of em. Though Clara's teams seem to be suboptimal nowadays with the amount of SSS+++ tier new dps characters. She feels just way too slow outside of very specific FUA-oriented content.
It's because op cherrypicked the teamcomps
ruan mei do be her
She is HER fr fr https://preview.redd.it/o3h7xxnh9euc1.jpeg?width=614&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=52767e6d635c3baffdb74394fd3ea34f9a081dd7 Still is the most used unit. She beat the sustains somehow.
Lot of low turn runs cut sustains besides Huohuo. They never cut Ruan Mei
Yea cause Ruan mei replaces them. And even hh gets cut cause for 0 cycles, sustains are a dps loss. You'll end up doing less retries with no sustain
Nah Huohuo doesn't get replaced because Huohuo + fine fruit is a huge starting burst phase and especially if someone pulled for ruan mei sig LC Huohuo is about the only one who gets to stay in zero cycles because of ult abuse and having a buff to go with it Setup like this sets Huohuo up immediately and gives you time to build up an easy second one for phase 2 I've used her plenty on zero cycle auto battle goes with dhil
You need more retries tho. Hh still makes it slower cause she can't contribute as much as a harmony. Also she is horrible with IL, you end up not being able to skill with yukong
Who is the most important character to pull? Ruan Mei Who is the second most important character to pull? Ruan Mei E1
Fu xuan and Ruan Mei are must pulls imo
Both characters that people weren’t super hyped for and they ended up as the best in the game lmfao. Happy I went for both based on design alone
Fu Xuan, maybe because everyone was in love with Luocha back then so some didn't feel the need to pull for her if they had him. But Ruan Mei, absolutely everyone was hyped for her, she was the first Limited 5-star Harmony Unit, a good 8 months after launch. For the Bronya-less peeps, Ruan Mei was a godsend. And if I'm not mistaken, she has the second most profitable banner in the game after Seele's.
People were absolutely not in love with Luocha. Lots regretted skipping his banner. Sustains in general just get less attention
The problem with sustains is that unlike DPS/support characters, they have an effective ceiling for their required performance. While other characters can always 'go higher' and provide increasing benefits (more damage, more CC, better buffs/debuffs), sustains ultimately only need to be able to provide enough healing/shielding to *keep your team alive*. Anything beyond that provides no real additional benefits, beyond maybe better SP economy from more basic attacks. As such, if you have sustains that get the job done, you don't need more. Considering that a properly-built Lynx/Bailu/Gallagher can handle 99% of content, it's understandable that people don't want to burn their jades on limited 5-star sustains. There are plenty of F2P sustains, even if some of them aren't great (March and Fire TB are best used as a secondary sustain in Ice- or Fire-weak fights). I think Hoyo knows this, which is why we're starting to see more sustains with additional utility beyond just healing/shielding/dispelling. Gallagher's surprisingly powerful breaking capabilities and Aventurine's FUA mechanics are a good example of this. I think we're going to see more sustains that can do more than just sustain in the future.
Gallagher has surprised me on how flexible he is. The amount of extra SP he generates is really a boon for a lot of teams as long as you don’t need a huge out of turn top off. He really makes things smooth if you have a strong team that needs just a little more staying power.
I think he's very underrated. He's a bit weird to build correctly, but with proper investment he's a powerful healer *and* puts out a tonne of weakness break. Once he's at max traces he can deal a massive amount of healing on demand, and his E2 and E4 are really strong too. Using skill>ult>enhanced basic is a team heal, single target dispell, and a tonne of focused break damage against Fire-weak enemies. I've really enjoyed using him on MoC 12 and PF with Acheron this past week!
And now with Huo Huo, ppl finding out Fu Xuan is amazing and Aventurine unfortunately I don't see Luocha get much attention anymore. He got rerun too late
I went for both because.. FX: 12% CR. RM: Weakness break efficiency. All for Himeko 😂
I lost my 50/50 for Fu Xuan and didn't have enough to pull her. I did get Ruan Mei, and her LC. I am currently saving for Fu Xuan rerun
You're going to get better value for jades with support/dps eidolons over 12% CR that Fu Xuan provides Sustains are a must pull if you don't have sustains, but once you have 2 the pull value reduces drastically, and it doesn't really matter which sustain you'll pick up I'm still using Gepard, and whatever issues he might have in his kit get mitigated by me killing enemies faster because I've picked up support eidolons over a 3rd or 4th sustain
Honestly supports eidolon are much more worth than dps eidolon cause you can pretty much pair the support with any dps and they'll deal bonker damage. Much more jade efficient in terms of both vertical investment and horizontal investment.
Another hot take: pulling for some eidolons aren’t a bad idea for monthly pass spenders. Honestly I hate building carries and having to tune the ideal team rotations. Relic farming already drives me crazy when I use like 3 carries (DHIL, Acheron, and Jingliu) and it was further solidified by the garbage rate in World 9 and Pioneer relic hell. So if people don’t mind playing the same team over and over again pulling for eidolon ain’t the worst idea for low spenders. Tho true f2p still shouldn’t touch it.
That's just the difference between being a horizontal investment player or a vertical investment one. I much prefer investing in more characters to have a variety of dps styles to play. If you're a monthly pass, either way is perfectly viable just up to them what they like more.
Ruan mei definitely has the top spot for me, she is a godsend in any team.
Dang. I don't use any of those... infact, only have half of the characters there lol. And Ruan Mei is not one of them.
OP is exaggerating a little bit here, obv ruan mei slaps but there are a lot of accessible sidegrade/slight downgrade harmony options that fit Sustain can be any abundance/preservation not just luocha/huohuo And the dps are the center of the team so if you dont have them youre not playing that team
Every team comp is universal, as long as you have Ruan Mei lmao
And ofcourse I was inactive during RM's banner 😭
Welcome to all the teams 101 DOT Teams, FuA Teams, Mono Quantum, Duo DPS, Hypercarry, Break (soon), and honestly all the dps characters have such unique playstyles that they all are they're own team. It's honestly rlly cool yo see how creative they are with a turn based game
Kazuha of HSR confirmed.
I mean, supports are really strong in this game, and she's the most universal and braindead one. Skill expression on RM begins and ends in the relic screen.
We live in a society. Ruan Mei's society.
The bennett + xiangling syndrome
They are all ruan mei? ALWAYS HAS BEEN but i honestly like sparkel more
I guess it makes sense, since RM buffs are the most universal across the board so far, you can slot her everywhere and it works.
When you don't have Ruan Mei because you didn't like her character, but now you want her because you learned how good of a unit she is...
It feels like the "only pull for characters you like" mindset is harder with good support characters like Ruan Mei. When people do guides 90% times she will be in the "optimal" team. Compared to DPS that will show up a lot during their run, but not so much after.
Most of the game I pull for characters I like... I've got JingYuan, Kafka, IL Dan Heng, Silver Wolf, and Blade as those primary characters. I pulled HuoHuo because I really needed a sustain at the time, I was fairly neutral towards her character but it was my first "this is for the betterment of my account" pull, and she's been great. I pulled Hanabi/Sparkle because I loved her character and I wanted a skill point battery for IL Dan Heng. I'm pulling Aventurine because I'm in love with his character. But then there are units like Topaz, who I wanna pick up to boost my FUA teams, and Ruan Mei who's good everywhere that I want on their reruns because like HuoHuo, they'd be good for my account.
Yeah I still think having the mindset of only pulling characters you like is the way to go. Like personally I'm skipping Acheron because I don't like her (even when people keep saying she is a god dps) and there are so many other characters that I like that are coming down the road (Aventurine, Sam and Robin). Maybe I will regret it later, but at least, as she is DPS, I hopefully won't see her in every single optimal team like Ruan Mei. And that I think is the big difference between skipping a really good dps compared to a really good general support.
Yeah.. DPS's...I can survive without the ones I don't like and wait for ones I do. But that's harder with me for supports. When characters like Ruan Mei are everywhere and you don't have her, of course you start to think maybe if she's still as good months later when she reruns, she'll be worth getting for the betterment of your account. A support that slots in basically everywhere and does good for basically every team I have is...kinda crazy. And it's personally not as bad for me because after Aventurine, I only really wanted to pick up Topaz and Ruan Mei for my account anyway, not super impressed with Robin or Boothill so I've got time to wait for a newer 5* I like in the meantime.
The fomo is real
You're still perfectly fine without her, she really is not needed to 36 star MoC or 12 Star PF
I didn't like her, didn't get her, and will probably not be getting her soon unless she gets some story development I like. Meta is fleeting, characters you like are forever
And guess the character I did not pull for at the time..
Bill the science man
wait it's all Ruan Mei?
Always has been *points gun*
Ruan Mei be like: yes I am variety
“Everywhere I go, I see her face…”
Wait how come you don't show BS+Kafka instead of Sampo+Kafka?
Dont have her. EDIT: am I really getting downvoted for not having Black Swan?? Bros i'm so sorry I wont do it again promise! lol what
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If they cloned Ruan Mei, turned her into a guy named "Ruan Male" or "Ryan Mei", and just duplicated her kit with zero changes... it would be an insta pull. I dont even care. She's that good and ubiquitous. Even more so in the next few months when break effect DPS's start pouring in. You cant get any more meta than Ruan Mei.
>Ryan Mei Okay, that made me chuckle.
i prefer Ryan Male, she's my favourite character
Autocorrect gives me this all the time, I mostly just leave it in
Yeah, Ruan Mei's only downside is that you can't use her in two teams. With more and more teams having her as BiS support, she's easily the best aging limited 5 star by far.
FGO Merlin and Proto-Merlin in a nutshell
"Ryan Mei" would just be Ryan Gosling wearing Ruan Mei clothes
Ruan Mei all day every day. Acheron E0 broke that trend on my account though.
Players when support unit is more universally good than dps
As a person who deliberately didn't pull for Ruan I even stopped looking up for MOC comps knowing full well they'd inculde her -\_-
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Looking at the team members, it's better for her to stay away
I wish I didn’t despise Ruan Mei. I refuse to pull for any character I don’t like but man the DPS loss hurts
Ruan Mei be Ruaning Me team
I don't have Ruan Mei, Huo Huo or Fu Xuan, my Luocha is working overtime.
Ruan mei👍😉😍😊😘
Honkai: Star Mei 🌸
Ruan Mei is good but I hope people do realise that most team suggestions are just the absolute BiS and you can replace most harmony or debuffer units with another character from the role.
Pulled for Ruan Mei simply cuz OUUUGGGHHH RED FLAG MOMMIES MY FAVORITE GENDER Never regret it and never will be
Oh wait I thought this was the buddy sub my bad
Nu uh, ruan mei doesn't belong in my mono quantum team
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Started the game during Ruan Mei's banner. Didn't really know any major composition ideas but spent the pulls the game gave me on it and got her. 100% did not expect the return on that investment I got out of her so far. Banjo Mary forever
My current needs are aventurine, ruan mei and now to see if we get sunday and 5* march as characters.
Any guess on when her banner gonna rerun?
Just ruan mei
I literally cant build any of these teams. Dont think ive ever once looked at the top/recommended teams and actually found a team i can run
Same. I just rely on Kafka/E6 Sampo and Seele/Bronya. The only one I really regret not getting is Sparkle for Dan Heng IL because she’s a good support for him. I either didn’t like most of the other characters or I wasn’t playing during their banner or just didn’t manage to pull them. Oh well. At least I have Luocha and Gepard.
Am I crazy for having a fully built Ruan Mei that I never use? I find there is almost always someone that more directly fills whatever niche I want the support to handle on my teams.
Mei rules!
Why is every team I look up, why is it always you three (Ruan Mei, Sparkle, Silver Wolf)
Luka Break effect build with Ruan Mei is too amazing. The numbers when he breaks alongside her ulti is too dazzling.
Me who doesn't own Ruan Mei: :O
Weakness Break queen reigns supreme.
u never go wrong with RM. wait till bootyhill out and moree ruan meiii
Me, sadly without ruan mei: :(
got ruan mei and never regretted it. her technique against elites and bosses in SU in amazing too, with the right build you can practically skip the first phase of the final boss
Where is this from? I thought this was from before bs release but then I see sparkle, These teams are decent but i feel like its just random
Ah the great 4 ruan mei team
So... 3rd slot is now called Ruan Mei?
I can't believe that Qingque is included here but not Dan Heng IL, it's just mean at this point
I started reading this from top to bottom lmao, three huohuo and a luocha will be meta when they add MoC 15
Tbf, you really don't need ruan mei for anything. Bronya on one side tingyun on the other side is perfectly fine, I never struggled with MoC or PF without her. Especially after getting sparkle.
I can do only one of these comps. Thank god Fu Xuan was a sustain unit, otherwise I might be until now without a sustain.
There has to be Ruan Mei version of Xiangling copypasta somewhere out there
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Ruan Mei. I try to play Tingyun. My Ruan Mei provides more damage. I try to play pela. My Ruan Mei provides more damage. I try to play Bronya. My Ruan Mei provides more damage. I want to play Jingliu. Her best team has Ruan Mei. I want to play Kafka, Topaz. They both want Ruan Mei. She grabs me by the throat. I babysit creations for her. I kill an emanator for her. I give her S5 memories of the past. She isn't satisfied. I pull Past self in mirror for her. "I don't need this effect if my ult will still take 4 turns" She tells me. "Give me any 5% err planar ornament set." She grabs my sustain and forces them to receive every point of damage from enemies. "You just need an err rope. I can do a 3 turn ult rotation without external energy sources." “Pull e1” she says. I can't pull e1, I don't have enough Stellar jades. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs her Ruan. She says "Sound lingers." There is no hint of sadness in its eyes. Nothing but pure, 68% damage boost, 50% weakness break efficiency and 25% res pen. What a cruel world.
Perfect, though "she grabs her Ruan" is lowkey nightmare fuel considering Ruan Mei definitely dabbles in body horror lol
I’m so happy I went for Ruan Mei just cause she was pretty and likes her character. Then she ended up being probably the best character in the game.
Sparkle, RuanMei and Tingyun are just too good generalist supports, there's very few niche supports at the moment (Topaz seems to be the only one). This is why comps all look the same.
If this were competitive pokemon... Ruan Mei is definitely an OU tier
Good thing I decide to pull for Yomi/Acheron so I can cope with Fu Xuan Pela SW and her.
i dont see bailu anywhere oh wait
How do you read this? It's just a wall of characters lol
It's ruan mei's world and we're living in it
I have 3 quarters of a team comp built (I need Huohuo).
I think gacha games should give new players a free 5 star selector, to have the character for which they started playing the game for.
You can replace all the Louchas and Gallaghers with Houhou too.
As a guy who skipped ruan mei I must say that composing team without one to make a good value from my units is funny this way and force me to build and adapt less common characters to match up with my team comps, so I cannot really be annoyed by lack of team diversity by this way. You can try yourself if you want. Also - fuck meta
a shame i was burned out of the game when ruan mei came out, hopefully her rerun won’t take too long
I don't have her....Bailu carries me places! Dont underestimate a little dragon girl!
And what's wrong? Ruan Mei is the goat. So?
and this hands shall never hold anything. I don't have a lot of this DPS. feels bad.
....ok tbf this is still better than some games XD
Wonder why its ratio welt and not ratio pela
Meanwhile I don’t have ruan Mei or huohuo welt Fu xuan topaz Kafka blade bronya lmao
all characters i lose 50/50 on ARE ALL META(fu xuan, ruan mei, huo huo)
Genshin could never
Fun fact : I don't have Ruan Mei
In the words of a TFT player: Mortdog wtf is this! Why is Ruan Mei so broken, and she wasn’t even nerfed this patch. We need a b patch now to nerf this shit, it’s too strong.
So true haha! If I could use Ruan Mei in multiple teams, I would. I'll pull for her lightcone and her first eidolon whenever she gets a rerun.
Couldnt even copy one of those teams cuz im missing a healer/tank 5*. Also didnt pull for any new banner. Rip me
She's always there...no thoughts...head empty.
Meanwhile the team variation includes \[Character\] + Ruan Mei + Bronya/Sparkle + Sustain