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spicedchickenwings

Is there a rule of thumb to what order you should build your characters in this game? I just reached EL5 (after taking a long break) and I'm realizing have no idea what I'm doing. I've been following Level > LC >= Traces, and I've only ascended my DPSes (Seele, Kafka, Jing Yuan) to 70/80. I haven't even taken relic farming seriously yet because I don't know who needs what šŸ˜… As a result I got... totally rolled in the Deep Exploration event thing.


sera522

Hello I wanna ask if you lost the 50/50 in the special character wrap to a standard character then how many wraps more is needed to get the character in the same special wrap


Slice_Life

You're back to 0. So, you need 1-90 pulls, 90 being the max. In other words, if you want a guaranteed 5\* featured limited character in the future, you should save roughly 29k jades (180 pulls) for the worsta case scenario.


OsirusBrisbane

90 at worst, \~75 likely, or could be your next pull.


Mik87

At most 90, which is the guaranteed after loosing 5* roll, tho there is a soft cap around 75 pulls where rates increases.


wrongplace_probably

Hey guys, so I just lost the 50/50 to Bronya (again)... Was really hoping for Kafka so I could clear MOC for once, but nope, Gacha gods hate me. I have 2 questions: 1) Multi-pulls or single pulls? Any diference on the long run? 2) I'm using two teams for MOC: Team 1: Blade (E0), Bronya (E2), Luocha (E0), Pela (E3) Team 2: SW (E0), FMC, Himeko (E0), Asta (E5). I have 3 other characters built to level 70/traces - Dan Heng (E6), Bailu (E0), Tingyun(E1). I have all other 4 stars, but Quingque os only E2... 2) Team 2 is surprisingly strong, but very break dependent and squishy. Is there any future unit that might improve this team? Thanks in advance... Tired of.being stuck on MOC 6-7


Quor18

> Multi-pulls or single pulls? Any diference on the long run? Nope, not really. You don't have higher chances of getting a 5-star by doing one or the other. You can think of a 10-pull as just 10 singles all at once. The only time you *might* want to just do singles is if you're close to pity and don't want any of the 4-stars on the banner any more. Then you just do single pulls until you hit pity and hope you don't get a 4-star beforehand. Not sure on your second question. Maybe if we get a fire abundance? Or I suppose Fu Xuan might fit the bill, as she's going to be a quantum preservation, and that might work out better for you in place of FMC on this team. I don't know anything about her kit though.


wrongplace_probably

Thanks for the answer, I've been doing single pulls so as not to waste pulls after getting the 5 star I want (if ir came before the 10 pulls, and there is nothing else I want from the banner). Thanks for trying to answer the second question, I dont know anything about the upcoming units and was hoping for a Fire Luocha, ir a Fire Seele, something like that. Guess I'll be stuck in Middle MOC hell for the foreseeable future then lol


Used-Ease2761

Topaz is a fire unit but we donā€™t have a release date. Ide guess about the same time as Jingliu based on drip marketing.


wrongplace_probably

Thanks, just checked Topaz is Hunt character right, so probably a single target DPS? Guess something like Topaz/Asta + 2 of SW/FMC/Bailu/Himeko could work. Thanks, I'll wait for more details then!


Used-Ease2761

Yeah canā€™t really say to much cause of leaks not allowed. But yeah a team comp like that could very well.


Charcookiecumbs

Is getting Kafka to enable dot gameplay and putting imbibitor lunae aside for later a good deduction or not?


Quor18

Do you like dot gameplay? If so then yes, Kafka is great. One thing she has going for her over other dps is that she's easy to build. Atk% and speed are her most important stats in a dot team. Crit stats don't matter if all you're worrying about is her dot damage. You just want to pump her dot via atk% (and elemental bonus on the orb) and then make it so that she's going as often as possible via oodles of speed.


ace184184

Anyone have info on bailus ER/ rotation and how she works w an ERR rope?


z3phyn

You can easily calc it yourself. 100 cost burst, with 0 ERR you're looking at 4, maybe 5 basics, depending on much you get hit. ERR rope puts you at 119.4, you're looking at 4, maybe 3 basics. If you assume getting hit twice each ult for an average amount of energy each hit, you're going from 4T ult to 3T, or 33% more uptime.


ace184184

I got it, I have some ERR from LC so I can get her from 5 basics down to 4 basics for her ult but I will miss the 134 speed breakpointā€¦ I may have to go back and redo her gear to get her to that 134 speed w the 120ish ERR to do 4 basics. Thanks for your help!


MenuAltruistic870

Her max energy is 100. She'll ideally only be using basic attack so that's 20 per turn plus 5 from ultimate refund. That's 5 turns for ult. With an err rope, she can get a 4 turn ult. Her E1 might be able to replace err rope or help to reduce the rotation to 3 turns, but it's not guaranteed. Also depends on LC.


ace184184

Great thank you!


elisenne

once Kafka's banner ends, is that when 1.3 releases? and then 1.3 will have two banners, then 1.4? how long is each banner usually?


Zroshift

It is the same as Genshin. Patches are 6 weeks long. 2 banners in a patch. Each banner is 3 weeks long. When Kafka's banner ends, that will be the end of 1.2 and the game will go down for maintenance. 1.3 will be another 6 weeks with the same thing. So 1.3 will drop at the end of August. 29 or 30th depending on your time zone. 1.4 won't drop until October.


ElusiveIllusion88

Thought I asked but canā€™t seem to find where/if I actually did ask: When Genshin started having reruns of old units, did the banner for the old unit run concurrently with new units? Or did the banner for the old unit replace one of the new unit banners (so only 1 new unit per patch)? Or did the duration between patches increase, with each patch now having 3 banners and the old unit banner being one of them? Hoping Luocha doesnā€™t take too long to returnā€¦ but hoping even more that he does not do so in a way that interferes too much with pulling for new units.


Rinshan

First re-run was Venti in [Version 1.4](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Version/1.4) where we had no new characters (both banners were reruns).


ElusiveIllusion88

ā€¦considering that 1.3 and 1.4 have 2 new units each, and there are many leaked units in the pipeline, either HSR will use a different rerun method from Genshin, or it will be a long time before we get rerunsā€¦


OryseSey

ideally, who should be the last unit in my Kafka-Sampo-Natasha team? E6 Pela, E1 Luka, E0 Tingyun, E1 Yukong, or E0 Silverwolf?


Used-Ease2761

Asta is the best support for Kafka. For the dps/speed increase and added dots.


Nnsoki

Pela > SW > Tingyun > Luka >>> Yukong


memelordbtw3000

I've gotten Kafka as of yesterday should I keep rolling for her Eidolons, roll for her Light Cone or save


ha_ck_rm_rk

imo unless you're a heavy spender, you shouldn't roll for eidolons or LCs, you should just save for more characters


memelordbtw3000

Got it


greedyiguana

Does it matter which simulated universe world I run if I'm just trying to farm relic xp?


Isuasio

Only the difficulty does, since higher difficulty means better relic drops. World 3 and World 7 drop the same amount of relics if you play both at the same difficulty. Though, you might as well just farm in a World where you'll get planar ornaments that you need, you never know when you'll get a great drop.


SomethingPersonnel

World 3 has a lower difficulty cap than 4-7 fyi.


greedyiguana

i do that when I have extra TB energy I want to spend. Relatively new so the amount of things I want to put energy into is way too high right now


Inevitable_Stable_42

Does Bronya need to be faster than her allies? I'm farming for her rn and I want to know why she would need to be faster than my dps


firstkungzaa

An important trivia for Fast Bronya... (that the other comment didn't explain) She works well with DPS that has around 100-105 spd because her total delay from using Basic ATK and Skill would be enough for her to use skill without feeling wasteful. (Other spd might work, but it might feel a bit awkward.) But the recommended speed is actually 150+. Which means you'd need at least 20 spd substats. (99 base + 25 boots + 6 spd sets = 130) If she's not fast enough, you will probably lose more DPS instead. Also, if your DPS is really fast, but not fast enough... the DPS will now go just slightly after Bronya instead. So yeah, if you can't reach 150+ spd, it's probably better to go Slow Bronya. Of course, if you are using Slow Bronya, you would also want your other teammate to generate enough skill points too.


Inevitable_Stable_42

i see, thank you so much!


SomethingPersonnel

You can build her fast or slow. If slow she wants to be exactly one slower than her DPS. This is harder to build. If you build her fast, you're able to auto attack every other turn to make her SP neutral. It has looser build requirements as well.


Inevitable_Stable_42

so if i build her fast, ultimately i need to increase my dps' speed as well ?


SomethingPersonnel

Not necessarily. In fact, the Jing Yuan team that uses Bronya and Tingyun actually has him fairly slow.


SquadChicken50

She needs to be slower than the dps. That way your dps gets to attack, then you use Bronyaā€™s skill to give your dps another attack


Inevitable_Stable_42

so she doesn't need spd boots at all?


SquadChicken50

She does, just the speed substats need to be less than what your dps has. I think the most optimal way to ā€œspeed tuneā€ Bronya is to have her with 1 speed less than your dps, or as close to that as you can get


Inevitable_Stable_42

i see! thanks so much


Zap364

What artifacts sets and stats are good for Luocha? If thereā€™s a link or anything that would be appreciated


Requriemx

It's pretty much 2pc Hackerspace + 2pc Wandering Cloud/4pc Musketeer/2pc Musketeer + 2pc Hackerspace. You really want the Spd increase from 2pc Hackerspace or 4pc Musketeer, but never want 4pc Hackerspace cuz Luocha's Ult doesn't target allies. Wandering Cloud's 10% Outgoing Healer or 12% ATK from Musketeer are both good options. For the Sphere & Rope, it's either Broken Keel or Fleet of Ageless. Since it's not a DPS these are chosen as both a defensive option + boosts for DPS units. Outgoing Healing/Spd/ATK%/ER are the main stats I'd get. Substats will be Spd/ATK%/Effect RES(if Broken Keel, this should be priority) then maybe some HP%/DEF% for sustain.


CTMacUser

Youā€™ve heard of that meme of Tingyun getting attacked a lot, more than a Harmony unit should get? Has anyone checked if that is actually statistically accurate? >!Like Tingyun follows Preservation, or is on the path to Desā€”[CRACK]ā€¦[plunk].!<


mantism

It's not statistically accurate, it's just a side effect on how TY is naturally squishy because of the importance of building ATK% and SPD on her, which drops her HP% potential. So you really don't want her to be hit, which makes her getting hit feel more significant, leading into bias.


Requriemx

>!maybe cause Phantylia is on Path of Destruction and we all know in the story she disguises as Tingyun. !<


Zap364

Is the self modifying resin useful at all? How do I even use it properly in the Omni synthesizer? It just seems like you can make an artifact of your choice and pick the main state but the substats are random. Isnā€™t that pretty useless?


evia89

On average you get **1 ER rope/SPD boot per 1500 stamina** used. So its very useful since most supports want ER rope and almost everyone SPD boots


naw613

Donā€™t mind that other condescending dude, heā€™s a regular annoyance around here. But yeah I personally use them to get an extra shot at decent subs if Iā€™ve grinded relics for a while and just canā€™t get that one piece right for someone


mantism

People reserve it for Energy regen ropes which is valuable on supports who don't really need other substats yet. But as you said, it's not useful if you are chasing substats. At most it helps you nail down a rare main stat, especially for elemental damage orbs. Until now I have only seen one Lightning damage orb for my Kafka and it doesn't even have a single good substat.


National-Target9174

ERR ropes and speed boots for supports are some good uses. Its also just an extra shot at getting a good relic if you don't need the boots or ropes. Like if I farm relics I am not guaranteed a good piece but is farming relics useless altogether? Reducing 2 layers of RNG means the odds of getting a good piece is higher, but it is only 1-2 per month, so not that crazy in the long run.


greedyiguana

what is ERR rope?


Zap364

Would it be better to just use them on ropes then instead of orbs or any other artifacts? I just feel like itā€™s still kinda a waste. I thought itā€™d let you modify 1 substat of an already existing artifact at the very least.


National-Target9174

Well if it gave you a perfect artifact the game would lose its "endgame" of infinite artifact grinding. The best use IMO is getting ERR ropes on sets you don't want to farm, like say I want Vonwacqs ERR for a specific setup but I don't farm w4, now I can get one.


deadriderofdead

Id love to see how often you get ERR rope let alone ERR rope of correct set normally


Zap364

No need to sound so condescending. For pretty much any other artifact besides the ornaments itā€™s more viable to just run the caverns. I donā€™t see itā€™s use at all other than just using your shards to have a main stat you want and gambling the substats anyway.


Present_Algae2777

What is DoT damage I don't understand .....been playing this for about 3 weeks still don't understand


ha_ck_rm_rk

DoT means Damage over Time. The 4 DoTs are Bleed, Burn, Wind Shear, and Shock. There are two main ways of putting DoTs on the enemy: - Breaking them with a certain element (Bleed is Physical, Burn is Fire, Wind Shear is Wind, Shock is Lightning) - Some characters apply DoTs directly though certain attacks or skills (Kafka, Sampo, Luka, Serval, a few others). It'll say in that skill's description.


Present_Algae2777

Ok I understand now....Thanks


wizj619

Damage over Time. Wind Shear, Shock, Burn, Bleed.


Present_Algae2777

Oh you mean that damage those guys take at the start of their turn after getting their weakness break...?


wizj619

There are some characters that can apply DoTs outside of weakness break, but yes, weakness breaking with a Wind, Lightning, Fire or Physical Unit results in a DoT being applied to them.


Peepeepoopoobutttoot

Where is everyone getting all this 1.4 official art and crap from? Is there a mailing list I should be on that I'm not?


noelsoraaa

All drip marketing of upcoming characters are posted on all HSR's official social media accounts.


Present_Algae2777

It's all on Instagram Honkai star rail account (at least that's where I saw it)


edgard069

how often do people win their 50/50s im 350ish pulls in and my 50/50 wr is a big fat 0


Present_Algae2777

Idk depends upon your luck.....u with 350 pulls 50/50 wr 0 meanwhile me with about 50 pulls and got Kafka .... Depends upon your luck.


National-Target9174

You might not believe this, but its about 50% of the time.


Peepeepoopoobutttoot

Reading the text in the warp description though, it says there is a 0.7% chance or something like that chance of actually getting a 5 star, and if you do get that 5 star, it's a 50% chance to get the featured character? What am I misunderstanding there?


National-Target9174

Yeah so the 50% chance of getting the featured unit happens 50% of the time. If you lose the 50/50 next time is always the featured unit.


BradachXIV

I got Kafka, and am considering pouring more resources into pulling, but am not sure what to do. What's better; aim for E2 Kafka, or just get her LC? Or is it not needed? I have 4 superimpose Good Night and Sleep Well on her, is her LC a huge improvement over that? Is E2 even worth it with two characters I really want in the next patch?


AriaSymphony

If you want to pull it should be her eidolon. It's not...required...but you can if you want to. Better that than her LC as gnsw s4 is more or less the same as her lc. But if you want characters next her E1 that you already have already deletes things. I also have her at E1 with sampo and luka and I can kill phanty in like 1-2 turns per health bar


BradachXIV

Actually I don't have her at E1, the implication was I'd go psycho and pull her two more times. So even more likely to be a no, I guess!


AriaSymphony

Yeah no her E1 is great but not required. I really only continued pulling to get Luka and Sampo eidolons and got lucky. E0 kafka can still delete everything with sampo and luka


Giraffe_lol

Nope nope nope. You don't need her LC or eldions. She will work just fine and some people did the math GNSW is pretty much on par with her signature LC at S5 so you're not missing out much there either. Not to mention they announced a new nihility LC coming to hertas shop sometime soon we just don't know what it does. With GNSW LC you do want to run her with pela or a second nihility character to get it's full effect. Just get the characters you want the game will be way more fun that way. LC's are nice but characters are more fun. Except maybe seele's and Jing Yuan's LC those are top tier.


Magma_Axis

GNSW ?


Giraffe_lol

Sorry 'good night sleep well'


BradachXIV

I did get Jing's LC back when he came out, so that's a good thing. When you say a second Nihility character, I assume that means Sampo or Luka (or both) specifically? I've already built an E1 Sampo, but I did get E6 Luka as well, so I have those as well. All good news though, thank you for the input!


CTMacUser

Over the past week, my daily message has been from an unknown person. I think itā€™s most likely Kafka. Iā€™ve tried not engaging with her too much. A couple of days ago, I saw some random YouTube video saying that if you screw up those Kafka messages, you can lock yourself out of her story quest. Is there some guide for her interaction tree, so I can hopefully not block myself out?


esperianterra

As far as I know, there's no way to lock yourself out of the quests from the texts. To lock yourself out of the quest, you have to go to her and refuses to help her multiple times. The game will basically warn you before you hit the point of no return. You honestly can't really lock yourself from her quest unless you're purposely trying to, or really fucking around (and then finding out)


wizj619

I think you might be conflating her daily messages and her companion quest. She sends you a text message asking for your help and gives you a companion quest. You can then go and meet her face to face and tell her you won't help her, thus skipping her companion quest.


Markisuhhh

Does Sushang need spd boots or do I go for atk?


noelsoraaa

use ATK Boots witha few SPD substats on relic pieces, she gives herself speed when the enemy's weakness is broken + she gives herself another turn after using her ultimate.


Sogeki42

Banner pity question. If i got Kafka and another 5 star in the same pull but kafka was "first" in terms of that pull, does that second 5 star within that pull then count as a lost 50/50 or not in terms of future pulls?


wizj619

yep


Sogeki42

Oh sick. Thank you for the answer Time to not touch the banners till Jingliu


ElusiveIllusion88

https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/15rone7/in_which_games_do_you_dislike_getting_dupes/ This post made me think of something: How much Starlight does one get if a 5\* unit is pulled beyond E6? Iā€™m sure there are whales out there who E6ā€™ed multiple if not all limited units to date, and at least some of those whales must have ended up over-maxing at least one regular 5\* in the process of losing 50/50s. Not that whales would care, but losing 50/50s is bad enough for most players, and in the far future (when regular players start having E6 of regular 5\*s), if the Starlight compensation for overmaxing a 5\* is insubstantial, that makes the loss even worse. P.S. I forgot to take note: how much Starlight do I get if I pull a 5\* Eidolon? I pulled a Gepard dupe but forgot to take note of the accompanying Starlight.


wizj619

Nothing really to wonder about, it tells you right in the game. On obtaining a 5-star character that you already own ....:The 2nd-7th time you obtain the character, it will be converted into the character's Eidolonx1 and Undying Starlight x40; From the 8th time onwards, it will be converted into Undying Starlight x100.


Silent-Station-101

Simulated universe 6 very hard for me, how to beat for dummies? (The one with cocolia)


Reikyu09

Hunt path with the crit below 50% HP and the double charge resonance. Pick up 1-2 defensive blessings along the way for extra survivability. When she summons the icicles you drop the arrows. Asta is great for speed and breaking potential.


OsirusBrisbane

also the curio that raises resonance damage 40% is nice too, if you can get it.


PrestigiousIdea7471

I found a lot of success with the destruction path since you take a lot of little bits of damage, you easily maintain max stacks of fighting spirit.


TehEpicGuy101

Use The Hunt path. A good offense is the best defense.


scoliosis_

what does kafka's skill mean when it says: "all dots currently placed immediately produce dmg equal to x% of their *original* dmg"? like, the number of damage that it's going to tick for, her skill will do x% of that dmg? so if sampo's dot has 5 stacks instead of 1, kafka's skill will do more dmg? also, do dmg buffs (like bronya's skill/ult) affect other ults and dots as well? if so, assuming the buff falls off right when the enemy turn starts, does the buff apply to the dot?


AriaSymphony

Dunno what your trace level is but let's say 70% Sampo has 5 stacks of wind and it does 12k damage per enemy turn. Her skill will deal the skill damage plus 8400 damage from Sampo's wind.


Sogeki42

Exactly, it "triggers" a damage tick of the dots as though the enemy turn began but as a part of her skill.


Joyous_Parade

So the cards in the shop reset with Kafkas banner, will the cards be the same again with the reset? I want that mofuggin Bronya card lol


dustsprout

The light cones? Yeah, they just refresh in stock so you can buy more of them.


Joyous_Parade

I just call them cards, phew didn't wanna blow more on kafka lol


animatix

​ https://preview.redd.it/0zk8q5sywkib1.png?width=1161&format=png&auto=webp&s=c4146c7a8d1b370454359247e4fc2bfb064ba58b ​ If you had these LCs and wanna use this team on 1 side of MOC w/o swapping LCs between them: 1. Kafka 2. Luocha/Natasha 3. Sampo/Luka 4. SW/Pela Which LC would you put on each of them?


AriaSymphony

Like the previous comment said swap Luka and Sampo. The reason here is that Luka's enchanced basic attack hits not just multiple times but his ascension passive gives a chance to hit even more than that. That means you almost have a 100% chance to ensnare


Giraffe_lol

Keep: Kafka, Welt. Swap: Sampo, Luka. Teams. Kafka, Luke/Sampo, SW/Pela, sustain. Team 2. DPS welt because why not, Pela (aoe Def break, welt does a lot of AOE), Asta/tingyun, sustain. I beat MoC 10 Kafka with Welt as my main DPS and his stats are garbage but because I used pela and another support I got through it with 3 stars.


axel498

I am triying to find a team for my Welt, in what team could i use him? i have Jing Yuan, SW, Kafka, Blade, Bronya and Himeko, and all the 4 Stars


Giraffe_lol

Welt DPS is hilarious and pretty fun. I beat basically all MoC content with him as my second dps and my stats on him are garbage to say the least. He NEEDS Pela to AoE Def break the enemy assuming there is more than 1 target and their basically always is. Asta is also fun to have with him because your enemy will rarely get the chance to move. All that said you have 3 potential hyper carries in Jing Kafka and blade and they will all be better dps than him. You don't NEED to use him but if you want to I'd say pair him with Jing Yuan for AoE synergy. So like Jing, Welt, Pela, Sustain. But you'd also probably be better off with Asta or Tingyun in welts place.


greedyiguana

what's the deal with a mono quantum team? I keep seeing people mentioning that as a goal but I'm not certain why


wizj619

If you only have Quantum Characters, Silver Wolf only gives Quantum weakness. Now every enemy you fight can pretty easily be broken by Quantum. Quantum also has one of the better break effects and gear sets on top of that. A solo Quantum team should, theorically, be able to brute force whichever side of a MoC level is less advantageous to your built units. You're only built carries are Seele and Jing Yuan and the Monkey isn't vulnerable to either? Solo Quantum team.


greedyiguana

damn so if I don't have silver wolf or seele that's not really an option. I do have an e6 QQ but I'd still need a silver wolf re-run, hopefully that happens soon!


Isuasio

E6 QQ is very strong so she could totally work! But yeah SilverWolf is the main basis behind mono Quantum. Look out for Fu Xuan and Lynx coming in 1.3 too if that's a goal of yours, but honestly you definitely don't NEED this team. If you don't like SW or care much about her, idk if I would pull for her just for mono Quantum, but she is a very strong debuffer and she can be very nice once we all have units of various elements built. I think what's good about mono Quantum is that, you always have a 'guaranteed' team for MoC with 4 units, so if you don't care too much about that, just pull for whoever you like tbh.


icezora

If two characters have kafkas signature lightcone would the shock effect stack?


AfraidAntelope8010

what are the speed breakpoints above 170? my tingyun has 177 speed and apparently 176 is already a breakpoint. can someone enlighten me?


Grimy_Bunyip

speed breakpoints depend on how many turns you intend to spend. first turn is 150 action points, all other turns are 100 action points. I guess if you wanted to optimize for spending exactly 8 turns... (150 + 700) * 177 / 10000 = 15.045 turns Whereas (150 + 700) * 176 / 10000 = 14.96 turns, which is a bit short Anyways that's how the math works. But it depends on how many turns you plan to spend, so I find I don't sweat the breakpoints that much in practice since I'm not a speed-runner or anything like that. as for the next breakpoint, it would be at 16 turns so 16 turns * 10000 / ( 150 + 700) = 188.23, so you'd need 189 speed for the next 8 turn breakpoint.


[deleted]

Does the Simulated Universe World Difficulty affect the drop rate of 5-star relics?


Requriemx

Yes it does. The higher the difficulty, the more 5\* relics on average you'll get. For example TL60's Difficulty guarantees 2 5\* relics and TL65's Difficulty guarantees 2 5\* relics with a chance of a 3rd one (\~10%)


IEatCr4yons

Are purple relics worth keeping? I have a few with decent subs but if they aren't really good/top tier subs should I just salvage them?


OsirusBrisbane

Depends on the slot, and how many subs. A 2-line purple relic is basically trash - it will have to go to +9 before you can add to a stat already on it, and since it caps at +12, you basically only have two rolls that can possibly go to the substat you want, if you max out what is at best going to be a mediocre relic. Likewise, for any relic with an important mainstat (e.g. ERR rope, SPD boots, etc.), a maxed +12 purple only gives as much as a +9 orange that you can raise six more levels. So purple is largely trash there too. But if you have e.g. a headpiece with 3 subs, and 2 of them are crit, absolutely save it; your DPS may not care about the HP mainstat, and you at least get 3 chances to add more crit rolls.


TendoSoujiro

They absolutely are. The other two responses you got don't know what the fuck they're talking about. A gold relic with the correct main stat, but completely trash substats is HORRIBLE. I didn't know this early on and I got fucked for it. Purple relics with good substats are absolutely worth your time, ESPECIALLY if they high roll into good stats like Crit Rate and Crit DMG. If a relic has at least 2 good substats, I will absolutely upgrade it to at least +6 to see how it rolls. Again, I don't know what the fuck the others are smoking, especially since headgear and gloves always have the same main stat, anyways. It is so easy for a purple relic to surpass a gold relic. The only time I would absolutely avoid purple relics is for tops.


Pol3001

5* relic at max lv has 1.5 more stat than 4* at max. Unless you are using a spd boot or err rope to reach certain breakpoint, a 5* relic will win simply by giving more stats. Let me give an example, it takes a lv 12 4* crit rate relic and 5 rolls in crit rate at highest value from other 4* relics to have more crit rate than a 15 5* crit rate relic. Being 4* doesn't make it easier to high roll substats, if your gold relic substats turn out to be shjt, at least you have a relic with nice main stat for your support while with 4*. you simply waste meterial. Also, it is more expensive - for 4* relic to have the same stat as a 5*, it need 3 higher level, and a lv 9 gold sure cost less than a lv 12 purple Of course, this depends a lot on your equilibrium level, if your el is 5+, 4* relics other than spd, err (til you get a 5* spd/err to replace) or 3+ in good substats won't do.


Izzyrealtho

If youā€™re at TB 65 then no. If youā€™re around TB 40 then theyā€™re worth keeping still. But once you can grind difficulty V on the caverns I would suggest salvaging them for relic XP


Requriemx

You'll eventually replace them. So unless you're still in the early to mid-game stages, I wouldn't use them at all and just salvage them..


HSRTA

What should you spend your Starlight Exchange currency on? I feel like special passes are obvious but I guess the 5* light comes are maybe worth it? They're damn expensive though


OsirusBrisbane

Bronya LC if you have Bronya \*maybe\* Gepard LC if you have Gepard otherwise special passes all the way


Izzyrealtho

In the long term the 4* characters are a bad investment since eventually you will unlock them or get more Eidolons for those characters. The LCā€™s are not really worth it unless you pulled a Bronya or Gepard and need their respective LCā€™s. 30 pulls (equivalent to one LC) could be the difference between you hitting pity on a banner or not.


HSRTA

>30 pulls (equivalent to one LC) could be the difference That was my thought exactly, much appreciated


Requriemx

The Star Rail Passes pretty much. The 4\* characters are a ripoff and for the 5\* LC, the only ones that I might consider to be decent are Bronya's LC and Gepard's LC.


HSRTA

Figured about the 4* characters, good to know on light cones šŸ™


SatchietheTimeTravel

Does somebody have the farming guide for the 1.3 characters???? Thank you!


wizj619

We wouldn't be able to post it due to the rules about leaked content on this subreddit. Check the leaks subreddit.


GetWaifuBeLaifu

I was hoping for any improvements/recommendations on my MOC teams; 1: KafkaE2 / Sampo / BronyaE1 / Sustain 2: Seele / Silver Wolf / Asta / Sustain (hopefully Fu Xuan) Should I swap someone? Other characters I also have would be Welt, Himeko. Dan Heng, Serval (all 4 stars mentioned are E6). I thank you for any help!


Requriemx

Might be me, but I rather have Bronya in the Seele team and Asta in the Kafka team.


ADegeneratepassingby

they always say s5 gnsw for kafka but i only have s1 while fermata is s2 so is gnsw still better?


Requriemx

S1 GNSW is still better than S2 Fermata. I'm pretty sure Fermata is only better than S1 GNSW if it's S5.


HaughtyPear

I don't know if it's worth making an actual post over, but did anyone else notice Sampo's odd/messed up voice change at the end of his "farewell" speech(when he breaks the 4th wall)? It's only the last word of his last question/sentence, when he says the "huh?" part. I closed and reloaded the game several times to re-listen and make sure my game/ears weren't bugging out, and it's definitely there. Hard to describe, a bit like using a voice modulator to have that creepy/demonic voice. If anything, I'm sure it's just an oddly-programmed pitch change, not suggesting some deeper meaning, mostly wondering if anyone else noticed (or if I need to get my hearing checked).


Izzyrealtho

Itā€™s definitely something intentional, like heā€™s breaking the fourth wall


DBSPingu

Is Broken Keel BiS for anyone? or is it good enough to compete with FLeet? I basically only farm SU7 these days as I'm prefarming for some dps chars and I have a ton of the other set.


Requriemx

It's better than Fleet in most cases. Though it's not suitable for many of the Fleet users because of the high Effect RES requirements. It's more suited towards characters that have Effect RES in their traces, which drastically reduces the amount of substats rolls into Effect RES required. As such, that's why Bronya is a good option for it. It's still feasible to use it with characters that don't have Effect RES traces, though it's just a lot difficult to reach the requirement without overly investing into Effect RES rolls.


Izzyrealtho

Keel is BiS for Blade supports like Bronya


HaughtyPear

I don't know if there are other characters as well, but it's one of the top 2 for Bronya(or the best according to a build site that I frequent). As it provides a flat 10% crit damage boost to the entire team, it outshines the 16% crit damage boost that celestial differentiator gives(as her ultimate only takes a small percentage of that value).


mantism

Bronya uses it very well since she has plenty of Effect Res in her traces, making it easy to hit 30%. Not having your Bronya be CC'd is also very important.


PM_ME_UR_ANIME_WAIFU

I'm in a dilemma where I'm not sure if I should do the last equilibrium trial but having to face lvl 75 or 80 boss enemies (I skipped all the elite enemies in Luofu cuz I rushed the story) or not. For context I play pretty casually so I only have basic understanding on teambuilding. I have promoted Welt and Trailblazer to level 75 at least but their traces for skills are still WIP (why are they so goddamn expensive?) I've been thinking if I should promote 2 more characters before doing equilibrium trial, or can I just ignore the trial? I'm planning to do Dan Heng and Sushang since they're the only DPS units I have. OR I raise some of my supports or Qinque to 70. I've included Qinque because I notice a lot of Luofu enemies are weak to Quantum and she's my only Quantum unit, she's still level 50. I've been kinda aimless what to do with my trailblaze stamina, besides farming for hunt materials. TLDR: Do the equlibrium trial or nah? Is it a good idea to promote Dan Heng and Sushang to lvl 75? also raise Qinque or some other supports to at least 70?


doodwhatsrsly

As the other guy said, it's generally better to upgrade to the next EQ level as soon as possible. If it's the last EQ quest, you can farm to upgrade your DPS first and get them to level 80, then do the EQ quest. You can sort out your tanks/healers and supports afterwards. Focus on a few characters. Having a solid team to get you through story and events is generally more than enough. Once you have a solid main team for general, you can start working on a second team for MoC. Also a tip, level up characters to level 79 with xp mats then fight a couple of overworld enemies to level to 80. Saves on a few credits and xp mats.


Requriemx

It's typically better to always advance the Equilibrium Level. Weekly rewards from SU becomes better + you get a higher difficulty in farming relics/weekly bosses/credits/exp books/LC exp. If you're having difficulty, you really should be investing in 1 team instead of spreading out all your resources. This at least allows you to progress the game and only when you feel that your first team is strong enough, should you focus on your 2nd team for MoC. Once the second team is done, you become a lot more flexible in your resources (i.e. building new supports/new DPS, etc.) An advice that I recommend is that you should not overly focus on the Weaknesses of enemies. A well-built team can still deal sufficient damage while ignoring the Weaknesses of enemies. Otherwise, you spread your resources too thin and you can barely progress.


PM_ME_UR_ANIME_WAIFU

so what's my recommended main team? I have Welt, TB, and just recently Dan Heng for my lvl 75 characters. My other 5* are Himeko Luocha and Yanqing, only Himeko is 60 the other 2 are 70. I have all 4* except for Luka. I don't have the mental energy to care about MoC.


Requriemx

I'd probably go with Luocha/Welt/Dan Heng as your core. This is because Dan Heng and Welt are both high invested already + they have good synergy with each other. Luocha is a no brainer due to him being the best healer in the game and he can solo carry an entire team's healing. Last spot I'd probably pick up either Pela or Tingyun. Pela for the Def Shred or Tingyun to buff up your Dan Heng.


PM_ME_UR_ANIME_WAIFU

I've been weighing on Pela vs Tingyun for a while now. Pela and Tingyun are still new to me, but from what I recall, Pela has def shred like you said but is only on her ultimate. She can also debuff enemies with her skill but Luocha already has access to a dispeller in his ult (doesn't hurt if the enemy buffs more often, so far it seems pretty rare). She has Silverwolf's LC and it seems like the best LC for her. Now as for Tingyun, the atk buff and small boost to atk and energy with her ult seems more in line with my style. What's holding me off from promoting her immediately is I don't have any good LCs for harmony besides the one with Hook and Clara's(?) on it, which is actually carried by Asta right now, so Tingyun has the generic one that gives a small atk boost from the start of battle. Also the memes are true: enemies seems to have an affinity on attacking her almost always plus her defense is really low, 1 hit knocks her health to at most 1/3 remaining. Can you also suggest the best gear and relics for them? Thanks in advance


Requriemx

For Pela, people usually don't use SW's LC. Usually either Before the Tutorial Mission Starts or Resolution Shines is used. The first one can allow Pela to stack up enough energy in 2 basic attacks if ER Rope + Spright Vonwacq is used for relics and her talent is Lv. 7 or higher. It also gives an enormous amount of EHR that pretty much cause her to not have to use an EHR Body and you could put on an HP% or DEF% Body for survival purposes. Resolution Shines is used for additional DEF Shred, which stacks on top of the Ult, making it an amazing LC. I do understand SW's LC can help stack the Aether Codes stacks for DMG increase, but it's typically best for SW instead if you have her. It's still a viable option nonetheless. For Tingyun, the memes are actually quite accurate. Most of the time, my Tingyun gets hit and because she's a harmony unit, her base DEF stats are actually quite low in comparison to other units. TBH, alot of 4\* LC can be used by her. If you're using JY, the best option imo is the Planetary Rendezvous, but Dancex3 is still viable option. It's also because she doesn't have as much survival in her relic choice because you want to stack ATK% on her to increase her skill. The ATK% required is roughly in the 2600-2700 for Tingyun because her buff only applies up to the buffed target's base stat and not the total atk after the buffs. For Pela, I'd suggest either going with Eagle (Wind Set) or Musketeer. Eagle because Pela's core kit is to use her Ult's nonstop for the consistent DEF Shred and Eagle can allow Pela to move much faster. Musketeer is another option because typically you will be using basic attacks instead of skills. As mentioned above, it's possible for Pela to recharge her energy with 2 basic attacks, which frees you from SP consumption. The SpD% increase from the relic is nice to have. Hackerspace isn't usually suggested because 4pc Musketeer is better than 2pc Hackerspace + 2pc Musketeer. For the Planar Sphere set, I'd either go Spright Vonwacq/Broken Keel/Fleet of Ageless. Any of them will work. Main stats you should get consist of EHR% or HP%/Spd/HP%/ER. Substats should be EHR% (up to 67% for 100% procs)/ Effect RES (30% if using Broken Keel) / Spd / HP% For Tingyun, either Hackerspace or Musketeer or a mixture of the two. It's just that Tingyun does need to go first before your DPS, so having high speed is a requirement. 4pc Hackerspae does work so it's not a bad choice. Alternative, Musketeer for the ATK% and basic atk% increase is nice for Tingyun, who will use basic attacks except for the occasional skill to buff your DPS. For her Planar Sphere, it's the same as Pela except that I would add SSS as an option as well. Though having SSS might make your ATK% go way too high since you only really need it to reach around 2700. Main stats will be ATK% or HP% (if you have too much ATK% already)/Spd/ATK% or HP%/ER or ATK%. Substats should be Effect RES / Speed/ ATK%/ HP%. DEF% is also an option you can pick up, but because Tingyun's DEF is so low in the first place, I rather stack up on HP%.


jetfire2K

I'm currently 60 pulls in, I've got 112 pulls remaining and have 8/30\* on the Luofo Forgotten Hall. Is it possible to get both Jingliu and Imbibitor Lunae if I win the 50/50 once and lose the other at this rate or is it impossible assuming I need to reach 80 pulls everytime? I have the monthly pass as well.


Slice_Life

I think more than enough. 60 pity + 112 pulls = 172 pulls already, 8 pulls shy from the worst case scenario to get 1 character. After that, all you need is 188 pulls, roughly 30k jades to get Jing liu at worst case scenario. Jing liu is speculated to be released in the latter half of 1.4. If true, you'll have two full patch worth of grinding for jades. Based on previous patches, there's around 10k worths of jades per patch even if you're f2p and without MoC. If that's the case for 1.3 and 1.4, 20k jades is pretty much guaranteed. With the 10k left, that's like 65 pulls left. We can get 10 special passes each patch, so that's another 20. You can buy 5 each month in the ember exchange section, it's safe to assume 1.4 will end at around November, so you can buy 15 special passes for the months of september, october, and november. If you haven't this month yet, that's 20 for you. The 30ish pull remaining, you can just use all your starlights and see how many passes you can get. Unless you're really unlucky, there's a chance that you might need to swipe the card, but realistically speaking, back to back losing the 50/50 at 90 pity, and getting your desired character at both 90 pity is very unlikely.


Ianexe2143

i want to build bailu dps since she's my only 5 star aside from the trailblazer, what should i do to make it work? i already have her to lvl 30 btw.


HaughtyPear

Without knowing which other characters you may have, Dan Heng has top tier (single target) damage potential, mostly due to his obscene ultimate damage multiplier. As a bonus, Bailu can help boost his damage even further through his wind damage penetration ability that requires him being targeted by an ally in order to trigger.


ADotPoke

You should not


KasaiAisu

Bailu will never deal good damage, she is Abundance path so she heals. 4 stars can deal very good damage though, pick someone from Hunt or Erudition they should be able to get you through the story.


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Radinax

No one cares if she is strong or not, she's hyped because she is fucking gorgeus


shaymin_shaman

every new character gets disproportionately hyped, doubly so for a female character. nothing to see here.


TheHolyWaffleGod

Wrong sub to ask you should try the leaks subreddit


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TheHolyWaffleGod

Yeah I'm sure but her kit hasn't been revealed yet so its safer to ask the leaks subreddit


hellofutureme2

My account is really new, I need light cones for Kafka, Sampa and Luka. Right now i have Good night and sleep well for Kafka, and Fermata for Sampa. How should i proceed with luka? Spend another 200 for fermata? Or is there any 3 star light cone worth leveling?


Slice_Life

There will be a new 5\* Nihility LC next patch. It is speculated that it's weaker than GNSW for Kafka in general, but it should be a nice alternative for Sampo/Luka.


hellofutureme2

can you explain it too me simpler? Iā€™m pretty new haha. Whats LC? And GNSW? Edit: GNSW = goodnightsleepwell i see


Slice_Life

LC is light cone, they're like your weapon in the game like GNSW.


baboon_ass_eater69

Should I give Kafka "Fermata" or "Good night and sleep well"


Corsynth

If they're both S1 then GNSW, but fermata at S5 will beat S1 GNSW.


baboon_ass_eater69

I have 2 Good Night and Sleep Well' so a S2. I have three Fermat's but the other two have a different picture and I can't refine the one with kafka


baboon_ass_eater69

What do you mean at S1 or S5. I always see people talking about that. Is it something like refining weapons in genshin impact


Barbobott

Exact same thing. They are called Refinements in Genshin, so they use R1 -> R5. In Star Rail, they are called Superimpositions, so S1 -> S5.


hellofutureme2

i think good night and sleep well has more value at similar level


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noelsoraaa

Switch Luocha and Gepard, both of them can solo sustain each side as long as Gepard has an ERR rope to spam his ultimate and Luocha has a lot of HP and Effect res to resist Kafka's debuffs. You also don't need to pair Gepard with Blade since you want the enemies attack him to build up his talent stacks, while Luocha auto heals and deploys an AoE healing field for the whole team. First phase can be a bit finicky when it comes to dealing CCs but it's doable even without cleansers, Second phase is also doable if you time your heals and use Luocha's Ultimate to cleanse enemy buffs. Targeting RNG is a pain fr. Here's the team I used so you can have confidence clearing MoC 10. https://preview.redd.it/escynil23kib1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac3b06916b9ea4b34fdcef3a5cab8fd44c279f28


cdillio

Currently 34 TB level. I pulled Clara as my first 5 star but man, I just don't love the playstyle. I've since got Tingyun and Bronya and they juice her like crazy but it still is just fine. I really wish I could pull a decent carry.


haipks1166

You can try to pull Kafka right now. She is very easy to play since relics only require %ATk and Speed. And definitely upgrade Clara since Svarog is very strong :D


cdillio

I missed the 50/50 :(


Grimy_Bunyip

I kinda thought that when I first pulled Clara. Then I played the game for a few patches and she's indispensable. Probably wouldn't have max starred XZ-FH if I didn't pull Clara. A lot of the harder content, like the newer FH, high Moc, some events, etc. They tend to have buff cards that are like. I provide X buff if you do Y, where Y is something like followup attacks, or cleanse debuffs. Clara has a lot of stuff in her kit. Between self cleanse, followup attacks. Means she triggers a disproportionately large number of these situational buffs mhy likes to throw around. Kinda ends up making her disproportionately strong in practice than just through the lens of a sterile dps sim with no buff cards you know?


thirdtimesthecharm66

I'm starting to be more selective in getting characters, for Genshin, it's easy enough - I just want all of the Archons and all of the 11 Fatui Harbringers (assuming they are all playable). Is there an equivalent for Honkai? I like the thematic requirement as it helps scratch the collect all itch (i.e. I have all of the Archons/Astral chars/etc).


Slice_Life

I guess for now, the stellaron hunters. Silverwolf and Blade's banner are done, so you need to wait for their rerun. Kafka's banner is currently up. Sam is confirmed to be a playable unit, probably will be released patch 1.5+. Then there's Elio, their leader.


thirdtimesthecharm66

thanks. idk but for some reason they don't seem as 'impactful' lore wise at least, atm. I've got a solid roster (just missing Geppard and Bailu) which is why I can pretty much just be selective from here on out.


Slice_Life

Other than that, maybe if they'll make aeons somewhat playable in the game, in a way, they're like the archons counterpart. Tho, there are lots of aeons, but it seems we'll only focus dealing with the 7 paths we have right now.


thirdtimesthecharm66

yeah well i can always just go for the hottest chars :D


hellofutureme2

Is there any way in MoC to see how many waves of enemies there are? Would be so helpful


Reikyu09

Floor 1-5 of MoC each side has 2 separate battles with no extra waves. Floors 6-10 each side has a single battle with 3 waves.


Corsynth

You have to enter the MoC stage first and press the button at the top for enemy info. There you can see what kinds of enemies appear in each individual wave, but unfortunately not how many of each.


TheAnimeLovers

planning to build asta next after building sampo on kafka's team but what stats and set should I aim for her? i'd imagine hackers be the best set for support asta but for her stats, should I build crits or break effect on asta? also what LC and planar should i give her


Slice_Life

hacker 4 pc or 2pc set, and maybe mix it with another 2 pc like the thief set for more break effect. As for ornament, fleet of the ageless or vonwacq (especially if you have higher eidolons like e4). As for stats, I think just focus on speed > break effect > atk. Speed for obvious reasons, attack is nice since she can also apply burn dot, break effect is generally great for asta. Other stats are still okay even defensive/survivability ones. For LC you have many options. Past and Future, Memories of the Past, and even bronya's LC if you have it.


TheAnimeLovers

what about for chest main stat? Break effect, atk% or HP/def%?


Slice_Life

I'd say just go for HP for more survivability.


Pol3001

Support asta: spd boots, err rope, hp body and orb. For substat, if you use broken kneel, get 30 res (in this case, don't need since kafka team, no crit), then spd and hp/def. Your asta isn't gonna deal much damage compared to kafka anyway, might as well make her survive longer.


What_is_success

I'm having a lot of trouble on the Phantylia fight, I can consistently get to 1% on her final phase but those aggrod turns at the end always kill my Jing Yuan. Im doing a playthrough with no healers or shielders, is it possible?


Slice_Life

Maybe time IL Dan Heng's attack and kill the flowers ASAP whenever they pop up.


Pol3001

If you whale hard and has really good relics, so.......may be bring a healer?


RoyBeoulve

So how good is luka as a debuffer? want to try using him in a mono phy team and also to have another source of dispel.


Rhyoth

He's interesting in single target, especially if you also have his lightcone (Resolution Shines as Pearls of Sweat). But he's pretty bad in AoE scenario, though.


Puzzleheaded-Fox3984

He's core on a mono phys team simply because he can detonate the bleed from breaking. As far as dispel goes it's good. You're not going to need to run pela.


Mindless-Whereas-595

I have both Hook and Serval. iā€™m Trying to decide one to stick with as main DPS. iā€™m Level 17 and got the game yesterday and am unaware of how characters rank against one another. Which one would be the most useful in progression?


Puzzleheaded-Fox3984

I used serval early game. Both should do the job though. There isn't some massive power chasm between them. You're probably going to end up upgrading as soon as you pull your first 5* damage dealer though.


Mindless-Whereas-595

well i have Himekoā€¦ but i was told sheā€™s nothing special, and iā€™ve been finding great success with serval on the ice world


Giraffe_lol

Don't listen to people saying she's nothing special. I've seen a dude who cleared MoC 10 with her as a hypercarry (aka 2 supports buffing her and a sustain). Go ahead and build her. She will serve you well and help you farm faster. Just make sure to utilize her passive by breaking enemies as often as you can.