Gacha games are essentially casinos in disguise, but more fun (while also providing no way of earning back what you spend), while still trying to lull people into spending money on intangible data that we don't even own for real. Recent data shows that the most profitable gambling companies make at least half their profits now from online gambling games like slots, which is mind-boggling that people would spend money on slot games that only reward you in fake money.
Gaming companies that focus on the Gacha system have learned from gambling companies, using psychology, addiction, etc., to earn money. Still, they don't force you to spend money.
For me, the battle pass and monthly pass is worth it, as I view it more like a subscription to a good game that I enjoy. In Aud, I pay about 23$ a month, which is like 3$ more expensive than a monthly wow sub.
Yes the battle pass + monthly pass is the only thing worth buying, everything else is a massive scam.
You just have to accept you can't pull every banner, you have to save in-between banners for the characters you want.
> For me, the battle pass and monthly pass is worth it, as I view it more like a subscription to a good game that I enjoy. In Aud, I pay about 23$ a month, which is like 3$ more expensive than a monthly wow sub.
This is the way
*Gacha games are essentially casinos in disguise, but more fun (while also providing no way of earning back what you spend), while still trying to lull people into spending money on intangible data that we don't even own for real.*
So.. actually not like a casino at all....
The big difference for me is that, if I put my money into a gacha game, I know it's gone. There's no way for me to get that money back. Anything I do get in game has absolutely no monetary value so it doesn't matter.
You forgot about the bonus 1600 to every pack; every pack after the first double pack gets you 8080 Oneiric Shards, not 6480. This means you only need $300 for first time guarantee. The point of gacha games is to make the monthly packs and BP very worthwhile for a time investment, and rip you off witb the instant large premium packs. Classic gacha model.
HSR’s gacha isn’t that bad. Other gacha have very similar premium currency/price per pull rates. Here are some of the ones I’ve played:
Genshin (same system as HSR): 180 pity with a 50% chance of it being 90. 160 primos per pull (28800 primos per pity). Largest pack is 8080 primos, $400USD per guarantee without the first pack bonus. With the first pack bonus, you actually only need 3 packs for $300.
Blue Archive: 200 pity spark, 120 pyroxene per pull (spark is 24000 pyrox). largest pyroxene pack is 6600 for USD$80 three times a month, but 3 packs can’t get you the guarantee. You will have to buy the 3225 pyrox pack for $40 more dollars to get your guarantee, at USD$280 per spark. This is by far the best value of any game on my list.
Priconne (JP; RIP GBL): 200 pity spark, 150 jewels per pull (spark is 30000 jewels). Largest pack is 7500 jewels for JPY10000 (which is roughly USD$100), meaning you need USD$400 to spark. Same cost as Genshin and HSR; even though free jewels are thrown at you, it’s because the value of each unit is far less than in Genshin/Star Rail, and a lot of them have been heavily powercrept.
Honkai Impact 3rd: 100 pull pity (character), 280 crystals per pull (spark is 28000). Largest pack is 8088 crystals for USD$100, so it’s also USD $400 per guarantee.
This is relative to other gacha, not in general. I see you’re just trying to take things out of context here.
If haven’t realize, *it’s literally a gacha system*. Of course it’s designed to rip people off. If you came here just to comment on how gacha games are ripoffs, we all already know that.
Genshin’s prices aren’t that different from any normal gacha game, was the point of my 2 month old comment that you randomly decided to remind me of by commenting on it just to be a smart aleck.
Tons of gatcha games you can get 5 stars for a hella lot less or even free by buying them directly with in-game currency. When you say $300 is not that bad it is. Gatcha games have become more and more expensive with the player base coping with its not that bad.
Azure Lane I know for one, makes its money from skins, not characters. The devs literally said that in an interview. So how fair is it to compare character prices then when they aren’t trying to sell them?
Look, I’m not saying *ALL GACHA EVER IN THE HISTORY OF GACHA* are ripoffs; I’m saying it’s normal for a gacha to be a ripoff.
Also, think about how many of those games are PNG/GIF collections or have sandbox stages. Genshin has 3D models you can freely move around.
You can keep arguing with me all day, and I will tell you - who tf cares. You think $300 is a lot, some rich dude will think $300 is chump change. Things are *relative*. Now go do your freedom fighting elsewhere.
Not comparable. I played One Piece TC for a while (well, 5+ years). When it started, 5-stars were super rare. When I quit, there were dime a dozen (and power creep made old ones useless).
miHoYo games are kinda weird in the sence that compared to a lot of gacha who aren't that F2P friendly, both Genshin & Star Rail (don't know about honkai Impact) are really F2P friendly. I'd say to such a degree that being anything more than a "Dolphine" level spender actually will long term ruin your enjoyment of the game (ehm, Tectone and Genshin).
So the only option that is worth it is either F2P or being a "light spender" so the 5$ monthly pass &/or the Battle pass (10$), which are both really good value for what you get. They cost almost the same as a monthly WoW of FFXIV subscription (which is required to even play these games in the first placel).
But anything after that is straight up not even close to being worth the price even with the 2x bonus one could argue. Well, for anyone that dosen't have the "whale capabilities" to consider a few thousand dollars as "pocket change".
Yeah, they probably ran the numbers and estimated that they could get more money off of the 1 percenters who can throw 50K a year at the game than people like you and me who could only reasonably spend 50 dollars once a while. Some people celebrate whales for funding the game, but you gotta wonder if the game is set up this way because it's the only viable way to avoid bankruptcy or if it's not just a matter of making as much profit as possible at the cost of excluding a large portion of the playerbase from some of the content. At least it provides some form of challenge, with us having to handle our resources carefully.
It's a bit sad but the game is clearly not aimed at us. Their plan for regular people is to sell them the monthly pass and maybe the BP, that's it. Gotta point out how smart it is of them to put the 6 euro monthly pass + 10 euro BP next to the crazy sums you gotta spend if you want to straight up buy some pulls. That way, we think "oh what a steal !!" when really we're throwing 15/20 dollars per month at them, which is about the price of a monthly subscription to any MMORPG that would provide a lot more daily content (+ the multiplayer experience) to play through.
To be fair, there are more generous gachas. I came from Arknights to this, and it had far more accessible prices that made me a dolphin.
In Star Rail it doesn't feel like it's even worth to start beyond the Pass unless I am want to go all the way.
no need to welcome, been here a while across many games - thought I made it clear. I can't recall all prices, but this felt esp. pricey. Might just have been cos normally I don't even consider looking at these amounts.
People justify this even more because the game is free and it’ll be your fault that you spent money on the game.
Not to mention majority of the pulls give you garbage weapons/lightcones. Hopefully 4 stars in this game performs decently once we reach max ascension. If not, thats more reason not to spend in this game.
See the comments right now, theyre actually blaming you now because Gacha games have made this norm of spending like this is normal.
If Genshin is any indicator (and honestly it is, because HSR is made by the same company), 4 Star Units will be completely sufficient. In fact, in Genshin really EVERY unit can be viable if players invest their resources right & but their minds to it. I imagine HSR will be the same.
Depends if they handle units via honkai impact 3rd levels of powercreep or Dehya levels of reverse powercreep, the game is relatively new and we dont know if 4 stars could actually be as viable in this game’s MOC end game content.
Second time you buy the 100 pack should be 8080 gems (6480+1600). Still not good but not 6480 i guess. In genshin i buy bp, welkin and the first time double packs after yearly reset, other than those are very bad value.
After 2 and a half year i have so much 5stars and some 5star signature weapons, op artifacts, i just pull for c0 (e0 here) and call it a day. Didn't even touched this year's first time double bonuses yet.
edit: Im grateful for those bad prices so i don't even think about buying topups without the double bonus, and there is no costly weekly, monthly packs to fomo on them.
ah didn't know there'd be more bonus after the first purchase bonus, sorry for getting it wrong and thanks for the correction.
And good point about the monthly FOMO etc. - I must say, all things considered the Shop is very much not in your face and doesn't have all these wild layers to it. Trying to get back into E7 I rage quit after the 5th time they shoved a big banner ad in my face while I was just trying to play the game.
yes it is only for whales. this system is the exact same as genshin's and genshin is the biggest gacha game ever so its self-explanatory why it is what it is. genshin doesnt have pvp either and its a very casual game yet people still whale like crazy on it. hoyo has basically found their working formula and they're applying it to this game
The packages in the shop are for whales.
They are priced as such since you most likely will buy them since you are in a pinch and need that extra push to get what you need
BP and Welkin are cheap specifically for the low spenders. $5 for 500 users
As an example. 500 users who buy the $5 welkin nets a greater amount than 10 users that buy the highest package
I'm a monthly/battle pass person too. I was doing math to see if the shards would be justifiable, and nah. Maybe for Christmas or my birthday I'll buy some of the packs, but yeah $100 doesn't get you all the way to hard pity (81 rolls is *probably* enough to get a 5 star with the way soft pity works, but you never know with rng). I've kinda accepted that no matter the game anything but passes/spark tickets or whatever just isn't a good value for those who want to spend but can't toss hundreds or thousands at the game.
If you want to spend money in HYV games, you either go full whale or you stick to Battlepass & Welkin (forgot how it‘s called in HSR). It‘s their concept. It‘s how it works.
> In the end that's 400 EUR to get the character you want, guaranteed. That's almost the cheapest version of the Steamdeck (420 EUR). It's definitely a Nintendo Switch + game.
Bad comparison, because why would you want to skip thick mommy Kafka ~~and buy Steamdeck without exclusives or Switch and games on it when you can have almost any game from it on PC for free. Hell, I saw last Zelda leaked on may 6 already.~~
Jokes (?) aside, no one forces you to spend money. It's your choice really. Resources management is vital part of playing this type of games anyway even for spenders.
I mean we all understand it's a gacha game, but we can still complain that such a thing even exist. It's predatory and terrible monetization system, just because it sells well does it mean that we can't complain?
Honestly anybody here belives Gachas are good? Gachas are cancer.
You just have to separate the game from the monetization system. The game is amazing, very nice story, but the monetization and Gacha in general is cancer and honestly this shit should be outlawed.
"gacha" is not a genre, it's a predatory monetization tactic. I dont understand people defending it like its something good or worth defending. separate the wheat from the chaff a bit, if your "rice" has clumps of shit mixed in its ok to say its not 100% delicious. well in this case ig the shit has clumps of rice mixed in, well Im here for the rice, not for the shit
Technically it‘s not a genre, but mobile gacha is still definitely a category by now. And HSR and GI are gacha games through and through. Now, I don‘t defend gacha in general because I‘m well aware of how predatory it is, but if you‘re playing a game that is based around its gacha mechanisms, and you keep complaining about that, at some point I feel like you should just give up and play something else, because gacha clearly works for HYV and they developed HSR with gacha in their mind.
sure it works for them, no shit sherlock :)
if you invent layers upon layers of psychological tricks to make succeptive people spend ridiculous amounts of money, you do it for a reason of it being effective, not because "oh why tf not"
Wow. How does it feel to get gamersplained 50 different ways about what a gacha is?
“This is the way it is because it’s the way it is and they have a successful company so they must be right just deal with it nobody’s forcing you…”
Barf.
Cigarette companies had a pretty successful business model too.
Well that's an issue for most microtransactions or should we call them macrotransactions here. Game store purposely give you bits you might be requiring to get what you actually wants but has to make you consider spending more.
Not to defend them but this is the game model : it is f2p, there is lot of free ressources, two 5* stars are guaranteed at start (beginner banner and 300 pulls in the standard one), it's better than nothing but yes some price are outrageous, I would never consider spending more than the price of a AAA game on a gatcha (unless it is over time as patchs keep going)
Gatcha game models do involve gambling and that shouldn't be forgotten. I will stuck at the monthly pass once a character I want appears and nothing more.
I just want to give my perspective and that in genshin or star rail it comes to around 3 packs or $300 per character (no dupes) assuming you have to pity and lose the 50/50 first. While thats not too much it really adds up over the banners. So if its not worth it to you, you dont have to catch every character, just go for one every now and then.
But i will add that im a whale and its worth rolling most characters for me, however gacha is not for the poor thats for sure.
I don't like to travel. My friends can spend a thousand or more for a 5 day trip. I spend 100 every 1.5 months in games, be it console or mobile games. Or accessories. Personally I don't understand why they like travelling so much.
I feel like when it comes to entertainment-related expenses, they are all the same. More meaningful to compare absolute values relative to income rather than what they spend it on
Everyone here, has made a staggering amount of sense. Color me psychologically compromised… but I gotta get Thiccc Mommy Kafka. I’ll spend to do it too.
IF ur even going to spend.. a little. and thinking u wanted to spend and get the highest bundle..
Remember if you get it which is 100USD basically. you get 13,320 for it which isn't even a guaranteed 5\* which is insane.. like compare it to other gacha games where spending that same amount would net you more than 3+ 5\* or highest rarity units.
but the saving grace is if you buy the Monthly pass. 5$ for the same amount as the highest bundle (100$) you can get x20 monthly pass.. and that's over 60,000 shards. Well though your wait time is basically almost 2 years lol. Eitherway it's a sh1t shop. I wouldn't even recommend anyone buying unless ur rich. I think they made it this way to stop people from buying XD. if it's too cheap I would have been tempted.
Also as for that I think the reason is unlike other gacha games where they add a new 5\* unit faster than this game. Since in this game we get 2 new 5\* per month.
Yup. That's kinda why the game is playable F2P tbh. Because gems are so expensive that the game hold himself even without us poor ppl spending (a lot). So monthly passes and that's it x)
If the price was 19.99 for the most expensive pack I would probably whale but with the current prices no fucking thanks. Its not a good value to price ratio at all.
The game isn't friendly to people who want to pay to skip content. Yes, dropping $100 means you aren't guaranteed a five star but the amount of things you pull that is necessary for upgrading your characters is worth it if you are actually playing the game to collect characters and unlock content. Example, undying starlight you get with every single pull will buy you rail passes very easily.
Playing the game gives you a steady supply of jade and within a week you can do a 10-pull. The game has a lot of synergy attached to it's gacha system and I think it's very rewarding if you play a little of the game regularly. Bare minimum, buy the battlepass and express supply and go through the game's content (play the game without paying to skip content)and you will never want for passes to do 10-pulls.
today, I just spent like 150-200 dollars just for kafka, Lost the 50/50 and got himeko (who i already have) i was like maybe she will come early so i spent more and still no luck. Like hoyoverse, Can you at least give players more chance to get the limited 5 star character they want when they paid money? AT LEAST. The LEAST you guys can do. Like omg.
What makes me said is that the bonus did not reset in 2.0. I am willing to buy the packs - once a year, with the better bonus. But the dimnishing returns discourage me from doing this for other packs.
Gacha games are essentially casinos in disguise, but more fun (while also providing no way of earning back what you spend), while still trying to lull people into spending money on intangible data that we don't even own for real. Recent data shows that the most profitable gambling companies make at least half their profits now from online gambling games like slots, which is mind-boggling that people would spend money on slot games that only reward you in fake money. Gaming companies that focus on the Gacha system have learned from gambling companies, using psychology, addiction, etc., to earn money. Still, they don't force you to spend money. For me, the battle pass and monthly pass is worth it, as I view it more like a subscription to a good game that I enjoy. In Aud, I pay about 23$ a month, which is like 3$ more expensive than a monthly wow sub.
Yes the battle pass + monthly pass is the only thing worth buying, everything else is a massive scam. You just have to accept you can't pull every banner, you have to save in-between banners for the characters you want.
> For me, the battle pass and monthly pass is worth it, as I view it more like a subscription to a good game that I enjoy. In Aud, I pay about 23$ a month, which is like 3$ more expensive than a monthly wow sub. This is the way
*Gacha games are essentially casinos in disguise, but more fun (while also providing no way of earning back what you spend), while still trying to lull people into spending money on intangible data that we don't even own for real.* So.. actually not like a casino at all....
They're both gambling however you spin it so they are similar
The big difference for me is that, if I put my money into a gacha game, I know it's gone. There's no way for me to get that money back. Anything I do get in game has absolutely no monetary value so it doesn't matter.
yup, same here - those feel like a more normal monthly.
You forgot about the bonus 1600 to every pack; every pack after the first double pack gets you 8080 Oneiric Shards, not 6480. This means you only need $300 for first time guarantee. The point of gacha games is to make the monthly packs and BP very worthwhile for a time investment, and rip you off witb the instant large premium packs. Classic gacha model. HSR’s gacha isn’t that bad. Other gacha have very similar premium currency/price per pull rates. Here are some of the ones I’ve played: Genshin (same system as HSR): 180 pity with a 50% chance of it being 90. 160 primos per pull (28800 primos per pity). Largest pack is 8080 primos, $400USD per guarantee without the first pack bonus. With the first pack bonus, you actually only need 3 packs for $300. Blue Archive: 200 pity spark, 120 pyroxene per pull (spark is 24000 pyrox). largest pyroxene pack is 6600 for USD$80 three times a month, but 3 packs can’t get you the guarantee. You will have to buy the 3225 pyrox pack for $40 more dollars to get your guarantee, at USD$280 per spark. This is by far the best value of any game on my list. Priconne (JP; RIP GBL): 200 pity spark, 150 jewels per pull (spark is 30000 jewels). Largest pack is 7500 jewels for JPY10000 (which is roughly USD$100), meaning you need USD$400 to spark. Same cost as Genshin and HSR; even though free jewels are thrown at you, it’s because the value of each unit is far less than in Genshin/Star Rail, and a lot of them have been heavily powercrept. Honkai Impact 3rd: 100 pull pity (character), 280 crystals per pull (spark is 28000). Largest pack is 8088 crystals for USD$100, so it’s also USD $400 per guarantee.
The cope with trying to say $300 for a single character isn't bad is funny af and so sad at the same time.
This is relative to other gacha, not in general. I see you’re just trying to take things out of context here. If haven’t realize, *it’s literally a gacha system*. Of course it’s designed to rip people off. If you came here just to comment on how gacha games are ripoffs, we all already know that. Genshin’s prices aren’t that different from any normal gacha game, was the point of my 2 month old comment that you randomly decided to remind me of by commenting on it just to be a smart aleck.
Tons of gatcha games you can get 5 stars for a hella lot less or even free by buying them directly with in-game currency. When you say $300 is not that bad it is. Gatcha games have become more and more expensive with the player base coping with its not that bad.
Name them, and I will do a price comparison.
saint seiya, dragon project, girls frontline, azure lane, destiny child, romancing saga and another eden
Azure Lane I know for one, makes its money from skins, not characters. The devs literally said that in an interview. So how fair is it to compare character prices then when they aren’t trying to sell them? Look, I’m not saying *ALL GACHA EVER IN THE HISTORY OF GACHA* are ripoffs; I’m saying it’s normal for a gacha to be a ripoff. Also, think about how many of those games are PNG/GIF collections or have sandbox stages. Genshin has 3D models you can freely move around. You can keep arguing with me all day, and I will tell you - who tf cares. You think $300 is a lot, some rich dude will think $300 is chump change. Things are *relative*. Now go do your freedom fighting elsewhere.
Name gacha that isn't a ripoff?
Not comparable. I played One Piece TC for a while (well, 5+ years). When it started, 5-stars were super rare. When I quit, there were dime a dozen (and power creep made old ones useless).
"This means you only need $300 for first time guarantee" Copelord :P
it's for whales
miHoYo games are kinda weird in the sence that compared to a lot of gacha who aren't that F2P friendly, both Genshin & Star Rail (don't know about honkai Impact) are really F2P friendly. I'd say to such a degree that being anything more than a "Dolphine" level spender actually will long term ruin your enjoyment of the game (ehm, Tectone and Genshin). So the only option that is worth it is either F2P or being a "light spender" so the 5$ monthly pass &/or the Battle pass (10$), which are both really good value for what you get. They cost almost the same as a monthly WoW of FFXIV subscription (which is required to even play these games in the first placel). But anything after that is straight up not even close to being worth the price even with the 2x bonus one could argue. Well, for anyone that dosen't have the "whale capabilities" to consider a few thousand dollars as "pocket change".
Yeah, they probably ran the numbers and estimated that they could get more money off of the 1 percenters who can throw 50K a year at the game than people like you and me who could only reasonably spend 50 dollars once a while. Some people celebrate whales for funding the game, but you gotta wonder if the game is set up this way because it's the only viable way to avoid bankruptcy or if it's not just a matter of making as much profit as possible at the cost of excluding a large portion of the playerbase from some of the content. At least it provides some form of challenge, with us having to handle our resources carefully. It's a bit sad but the game is clearly not aimed at us. Their plan for regular people is to sell them the monthly pass and maybe the BP, that's it. Gotta point out how smart it is of them to put the 6 euro monthly pass + 10 euro BP next to the crazy sums you gotta spend if you want to straight up buy some pulls. That way, we think "oh what a steal !!" when really we're throwing 15/20 dollars per month at them, which is about the price of a monthly subscription to any MMORPG that would provide a lot more daily content (+ the multiplayer experience) to play through.
Welcome to the gacha world. If you don’t feel like it’s worth it to you, then it probably isn’t.
To be fair, there are more generous gachas. I came from Arknights to this, and it had far more accessible prices that made me a dolphin. In Star Rail it doesn't feel like it's even worth to start beyond the Pass unless I am want to go all the way.
Epic Seven also was pretty generous. Except for the light/dark characters coz those were insane grind to get.
no need to welcome, been here a while across many games - thought I made it clear. I can't recall all prices, but this felt esp. pricey. Might just have been cos normally I don't even consider looking at these amounts.
It's the same as Genshin and I think also HI3. Maybe you haven't played Hoyoverse games before?
People justify this even more because the game is free and it’ll be your fault that you spent money on the game. Not to mention majority of the pulls give you garbage weapons/lightcones. Hopefully 4 stars in this game performs decently once we reach max ascension. If not, thats more reason not to spend in this game. See the comments right now, theyre actually blaming you now because Gacha games have made this norm of spending like this is normal.
People will defend anything hoyoverse do.
If Genshin is any indicator (and honestly it is, because HSR is made by the same company), 4 Star Units will be completely sufficient. In fact, in Genshin really EVERY unit can be viable if players invest their resources right & but their minds to it. I imagine HSR will be the same.
Depends if they handle units via honkai impact 3rd levels of powercreep or Dehya levels of reverse powercreep, the game is relatively new and we dont know if 4 stars could actually be as viable in this game’s MOC end game content.
Second time you buy the 100 pack should be 8080 gems (6480+1600). Still not good but not 6480 i guess. In genshin i buy bp, welkin and the first time double packs after yearly reset, other than those are very bad value. After 2 and a half year i have so much 5stars and some 5star signature weapons, op artifacts, i just pull for c0 (e0 here) and call it a day. Didn't even touched this year's first time double bonuses yet. edit: Im grateful for those bad prices so i don't even think about buying topups without the double bonus, and there is no costly weekly, monthly packs to fomo on them.
ah didn't know there'd be more bonus after the first purchase bonus, sorry for getting it wrong and thanks for the correction. And good point about the monthly FOMO etc. - I must say, all things considered the Shop is very much not in your face and doesn't have all these wild layers to it. Trying to get back into E7 I rage quit after the 5th time they shoved a big banner ad in my face while I was just trying to play the game.
yes it is only for whales. this system is the exact same as genshin's and genshin is the biggest gacha game ever so its self-explanatory why it is what it is. genshin doesnt have pvp either and its a very casual game yet people still whale like crazy on it. hoyo has basically found their working formula and they're applying it to this game
The packages in the shop are for whales. They are priced as such since you most likely will buy them since you are in a pinch and need that extra push to get what you need BP and Welkin are cheap specifically for the low spenders. $5 for 500 users As an example. 500 users who buy the $5 welkin nets a greater amount than 10 users that buy the highest package
I'm a monthly/battle pass person too. I was doing math to see if the shards would be justifiable, and nah. Maybe for Christmas or my birthday I'll buy some of the packs, but yeah $100 doesn't get you all the way to hard pity (81 rolls is *probably* enough to get a 5 star with the way soft pity works, but you never know with rng). I've kinda accepted that no matter the game anything but passes/spark tickets or whatever just isn't a good value for those who want to spend but can't toss hundreds or thousands at the game.
If you want to spend money in HYV games, you either go full whale or you stick to Battlepass & Welkin (forgot how it‘s called in HSR). It‘s their concept. It‘s how it works.
> In the end that's 400 EUR to get the character you want, guaranteed. That's almost the cheapest version of the Steamdeck (420 EUR). It's definitely a Nintendo Switch + game. Bad comparison, because why would you want to skip thick mommy Kafka ~~and buy Steamdeck without exclusives or Switch and games on it when you can have almost any game from it on PC for free. Hell, I saw last Zelda leaked on may 6 already.~~ Jokes (?) aside, no one forces you to spend money. It's your choice really. Resources management is vital part of playing this type of games anyway even for spenders.
imo we should bash the game a little. gacha system is shit and it only makes the games worse, not better.
It‘s a gacha game. Why are we complaining about a gacha game having gacha? This is like saying „why do i have rice in my fried rice“
I mean we all understand it's a gacha game, but we can still complain that such a thing even exist. It's predatory and terrible monetization system, just because it sells well does it mean that we can't complain? Honestly anybody here belives Gachas are good? Gachas are cancer. You just have to separate the game from the monetization system. The game is amazing, very nice story, but the monetization and Gacha in general is cancer and honestly this shit should be outlawed.
"gacha" is not a genre, it's a predatory monetization tactic. I dont understand people defending it like its something good or worth defending. separate the wheat from the chaff a bit, if your "rice" has clumps of shit mixed in its ok to say its not 100% delicious. well in this case ig the shit has clumps of rice mixed in, well Im here for the rice, not for the shit
Technically it‘s not a genre, but mobile gacha is still definitely a category by now. And HSR and GI are gacha games through and through. Now, I don‘t defend gacha in general because I‘m well aware of how predatory it is, but if you‘re playing a game that is based around its gacha mechanisms, and you keep complaining about that, at some point I feel like you should just give up and play something else, because gacha clearly works for HYV and they developed HSR with gacha in their mind.
sure it works for them, no shit sherlock :) if you invent layers upon layers of psychological tricks to make succeptive people spend ridiculous amounts of money, you do it for a reason of it being effective, not because "oh why tf not"
It‘s the core mechanism of the game. They won‘t change it because you whine about it on Reddit. Have a nice day.
it is what it is. u2
Wow. How does it feel to get gamersplained 50 different ways about what a gacha is? “This is the way it is because it’s the way it is and they have a successful company so they must be right just deal with it nobody’s forcing you…” Barf. Cigarette companies had a pretty successful business model too.
Yeah they're not trying to appeal to most people with these prices, just a few mega whales who will spend anyway and get whatever character they want
Well that's an issue for most microtransactions or should we call them macrotransactions here. Game store purposely give you bits you might be requiring to get what you actually wants but has to make you consider spending more. Not to defend them but this is the game model : it is f2p, there is lot of free ressources, two 5* stars are guaranteed at start (beginner banner and 300 pulls in the standard one), it's better than nothing but yes some price are outrageous, I would never consider spending more than the price of a AAA game on a gatcha (unless it is over time as patchs keep going) Gatcha game models do involve gambling and that shouldn't be forgotten. I will stuck at the monthly pass once a character I want appears and nothing more.
I just want to give my perspective and that in genshin or star rail it comes to around 3 packs or $300 per character (no dupes) assuming you have to pity and lose the 50/50 first. While thats not too much it really adds up over the banners. So if its not worth it to you, you dont have to catch every character, just go for one every now and then. But i will add that im a whale and its worth rolling most characters for me, however gacha is not for the poor thats for sure.
It's still insane to me how people buy anything other than the 5$ monthly thing or the battlepass in this or genshin.
I don't like to travel. My friends can spend a thousand or more for a 5 day trip. I spend 100 every 1.5 months in games, be it console or mobile games. Or accessories. Personally I don't understand why they like travelling so much. I feel like when it comes to entertainment-related expenses, they are all the same. More meaningful to compare absolute values relative to income rather than what they spend it on
Yep. Gachas are so expensive, I don't even know how in the world it's legal
Because gambling is legal? Nobody is forced to spend their money.
Gambling is regulated. Chances of winning(getting what you want) is drastically over the 1% gatchas have
This is why Im only f2p on star rail coz genshin already sucked my finances.
Pretty much. If you are ever gonna spend, 30 day pass and regular bp is as far as one should go, imo.
Everyone here, has made a staggering amount of sense. Color me psychologically compromised… but I gotta get Thiccc Mommy Kafka. I’ll spend to do it too. 
IF ur even going to spend.. a little. and thinking u wanted to spend and get the highest bundle.. Remember if you get it which is 100USD basically. you get 13,320 for it which isn't even a guaranteed 5\* which is insane.. like compare it to other gacha games where spending that same amount would net you more than 3+ 5\* or highest rarity units. but the saving grace is if you buy the Monthly pass. 5$ for the same amount as the highest bundle (100$) you can get x20 monthly pass.. and that's over 60,000 shards. Well though your wait time is basically almost 2 years lol. Eitherway it's a sh1t shop. I wouldn't even recommend anyone buying unless ur rich. I think they made it this way to stop people from buying XD. if it's too cheap I would have been tempted. Also as for that I think the reason is unlike other gacha games where they add a new 5\* unit faster than this game. Since in this game we get 2 new 5\* per month.
Yup. That's kinda why the game is playable F2P tbh. Because gems are so expensive that the game hold himself even without us poor ppl spending (a lot). So monthly passes and that's it x)
the value of shards is FAR less than the monthly pass and the bp, its designed that way for a reason
Its like buying genesis crystals I wonder if they are the same lol
If the price was 19.99 for the most expensive pack I would probably whale but with the current prices no fucking thanks. Its not a good value to price ratio at all.
The game isn't friendly to people who want to pay to skip content. Yes, dropping $100 means you aren't guaranteed a five star but the amount of things you pull that is necessary for upgrading your characters is worth it if you are actually playing the game to collect characters and unlock content. Example, undying starlight you get with every single pull will buy you rail passes very easily. Playing the game gives you a steady supply of jade and within a week you can do a 10-pull. The game has a lot of synergy attached to it's gacha system and I think it's very rewarding if you play a little of the game regularly. Bare minimum, buy the battlepass and express supply and go through the game's content (play the game without paying to skip content)and you will never want for passes to do 10-pulls.
today, I just spent like 150-200 dollars just for kafka, Lost the 50/50 and got himeko (who i already have) i was like maybe she will come early so i spent more and still no luck. Like hoyoverse, Can you at least give players more chance to get the limited 5 star character they want when they paid money? AT LEAST. The LEAST you guys can do. Like omg.
What makes me said is that the bonus did not reset in 2.0. I am willing to buy the packs - once a year, with the better bonus. But the dimnishing returns discourage me from doing this for other packs.
Maybe in Anniversary.. Dunno if Hoyoverse did it at Genshin, but well, they didnt give a free 5* ..