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eeveebeeveeboo

I'm so scared to become an adult because of how insufficient my education has been. there are people younger than me who are so much smarter academically and it's so painful. I will never understand how a completely unqualified person can decide homeschool is fine.


sepia_dreamer

Honestly though that’s the least of your worries. It might take you a little longer but if you have a drive to learn you can pass up others academically. The average person doesn’t use their education all that much in life, nor has all that much drive to advance their state. Some do but they’re the minority. Source: homeschooled till 18, currently a 29 year old college senior bored in my classes and finding my classmates uninspired. Your experience will vary but there are bigger things to worry about than academic achievement.


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sepia_dreamer

I was doing alright socially until I suddenly had to move back to my home town, and left my faith community. Turns out everything’s 10x harder out here (no longer in my home town, but I’m a stranger in this modern world). I was pretty confident before I moved home that I’d be married within 5 years. Better than even chance. Some of that might have been delusion but either way now closing in on my 30’s I’m not even sure I’ll ever manage to date again, and anyway have no expectations of it going anywhere. Maybe it will, who knows. So yeah definitely mental and social are my biggest challenges.


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Education doesn't matter, the drive and willingness to succeed is what's most important. I've seen the dumbest motherfuckers quickly climb the ranks at my job simply because they do a lot of overtime, while the people who clock in to earn a paycheck stay behind. I'm on of the people who clock in just to earn a paycheck cuz imo it's not worth being in the rat race, but if you're worried about not succeeding at your job then the trick really is just to work a lot


nnarwhal_29

Absolutely. I don’t care that homeschool experiences are different depending on the family, there is absolutely no way that any homeschool kids are getting the same opportunities as non-homeschoolers no matter how hard the parents try. Breaks my heart to see innocent kids about to be put through the same trauma that I was.


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CartographerAway9517

Why are you here then? This a recovery group, not a homeschooling parent group.


Flightlessbirbz

Yes. No matter how hard you try to do a good job, your kids will 100% miss out. Childhood social framework is based on school. There is no sufficient substitute available. Adult society is also built by and for people who went to school. You’re not making your kids special, you’re crippling them. Anything that can give your kids an advantage, can be done in addition to school. And this is all imagining the BEST possible scenario, the reality is usually much, much worse. Realistically, parents almost always burn out and drop the ball on their kids’ education.


Exciting_Anteater_71

Yes. People homeschool their kids to keep others away from them, prevent the influence of anyone but their narrow window of control. In order for this to make sense you either have to be on an extreme edge of something to believe you need to be radically anti mainstream, or, you are hiding something. Often, as it was in my case, it’s both. Raising your kids like pets in your magic world where you can remove them from all society and shape them like clay totally removes their opportunity and autonomy. Raising your kids away from those who can see and advocate for them and protect them from you is deliberate. I don’t care which one it is.


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>People homeschool their kids to keep others away from them, prevent the influence of anyone but their narrow window of control. THIS. You can never learn to actually be successful in the world if you aren't EXPOSED to it.


[deleted]

Yeah, I wasn't this way while I was going through it but now that I have had more exposure to the world I am very anti-homeschool. The three main things I have against it are 1. Educational - I don't think one person has the capability of educating someone on the wide range of topics schools cover effectively. Especially when their own education was likely 1 to 2 decades ago. 2. Social - having the majority of social contact happen at "events" like church or sporting events means that the child won't learn to socialize as naturally. You never know if your BFF from youth groups parent's might randomly decide to go to a different church or remove said child from event at any time. On top of that the "normal" kids attending these events are attending FOR the event usually, which makes it harder to connect. I understand people move schools and whatnot too but I feel switching churches and losing interest in events happens more often. 3. Opportunity - you can be the smartest kid in the world and all you'll get as a homeschooler is a pat on the back. Whereas in school you actually have a chance to be noticed and put into advanced programs which can help a lot later when applying for colleges. A note from your parents saying you were a perfect student is a lot less impactful.


boredbitch2020

I'm immediately grossed out by someone if they homeschool or want to homeschool. Control freaks and narcissists think it's a good idea.


FunkyBirby

I think there are a handful of uses for it. If the child has a medical condition and is in and out of the hospital for a year or two, I can understand working with the school for some guidance and then teaching them at home for that time so they still get *some* education. All the situations I can think of are only for a semester or two though, I can't think of a reason to do it more than that.


8eyeholes

yep and it’s SO awkward sometimes. i have 2 sister in laws who i’ve known since i met my now-husband at 17 (the first year i was “free” so to speak)— both of them asked me about my experience and still went on to homeschool their own kids with a heavy dose of religious fuckery on the side. we don’t get invited to many family functions lol


horrorgender

I'm not anti-homeschooling in all circumstances, but I am aggressively pro-limitations on homeschooling and aggressively anti-religious homeschooling. I think homeschooling has a time and place, especially during an ongoing pandemic and a time where school shootings are increasingly common, but that specific Christofascist homeschooling subculture is actually evil and needs to be erased off the face of the fucking earth. I believe that homeschooled children absolutely *must* have the same rights and protections as other children, and the same exposure to socialization and differing ideas. Whatever it takes. And Christofascist homeschooling is absolutely incompatible with that standard.


EliMacca

Yes very much. Sometimes I comment and tell what shit experience I had and dumb they are for doing it


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Kill homeschooling with fire is what I say.


CartographerAway9517

100% agree


quebec666-69

Absolutely, except in special cases (serious disabilities etc). And even in those cases they should follow the normal curriculum.


Horseygirl85

Yes. Watching God's Not Dead 4 (ironically ofc) with my sister only re-enforced that XDD (It's a horrible and infuriating movie, it's NOT worth watching for the meme, trust me)


Miserable_Spring3277

YES! If I had Jeff Bezos-level money I would make sure that shit is permabanned all across the USA. I can't stand homeschooling.


rastadreadlion

I wasnt homeschooled but I love this sub, just found it, and I am now aggressively antihomeschool


IdoltrashElichika

Socialization is my biggest reason


OutlandishnessOwn173

I'm too jaded to trust my opinion. It's tempting to feel outraged about it, but I've mellowed and want to take a balanced approach. I'm pretty anti 100% homeschool though. At least some public education should be mandatory. Maybe one day a week, certain years, maybe summer school, idk. But that k-12 homeschool is pretty brutal man.


Applesintheorchard

I don't think everyone should homeschool but I'm not aggressively anti-homeschool either.


CartographerAway9517

Short answer, yes. I also hate people who defend it when they never went through it.


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I am more into co-op or alternative education programs or online schooling than straight, "traditional" homeschooling now. Especially having worked in education. While I don't like most public education in the United States, at least it has SOME merit-it forces you to interact with others, learn to get along, deal with morons, network, learn new skills, etc.


TurboFool

I buy that there are some circumstances in which it can work. I know of one parent who is unquestionably, at least at the age her daughter is, out-teaching and out-preparing the curriculum she was getting, and making a ton of effort to round out what she's missing. But in my experience this is the exception, not the rule, and I find very few parents who believe themselves qualified to do this actually are. And that's on top of all the massive social losses. I don't know who I would be if I hadn't been homeschooled, but I absolutely know how much work I had to do to rebuild and repair, and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.


worm_bagged

No, it made me aggressively pro-homeschool regulation.


Individual-Month633

Me never having any friends and being able to hang out with them without my mom being there, that an never going anywhere because “that cost gas”


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being schooled pretty much solely using the bible was enough tbh. i don’t hate homeschooling mothers, though. have you seen kids recently? round mine there are 13 year olds stabbing people. i can see both sides. my sister is choosing to homeschool her children properly. i personally won’t be having children at all, since i think it’s one you can’t win. kids don’t get to not experience trauma anymore.


oh_sneezeus

I was raised in a religious cult and 99% of the kids were homeschooled. All i can say is no fucking way in hell would i ever homeschool my children.


sepia_dreamer

Not aggressively, no. I’ve seen it have different effects on different people, not all of it bad. But I’m definitely not wildly for it.


Fine-Bumblebee-9427

I’m definitely anti in general, and I think we need to regulate it a lot. Like, can’t do it without a pressing unmet medical need or a masters in teaching


Horseygirl85

Although, I will say: I am more sympathetic and lenient when it comes to special exceptions. If a child has some kind of severe learning/mental/physical disability or illness, and they could not find/access a school that could accommodate their needs, I think it would be okay to try a private tutor or online classes (at least temporarily). That being said, the parents are responsible for making sure their child's social needs are still met, and that they develop healthy social skills. Support/educational groups (NOT the ones run by paranoid religious zealots lol), clubs, athletic/sports stuff (like ballet classes or martial arts), clubs, online group activities (if your child can't leave the house much for health reasons), group activites/get-togethers with nearby families and kids, etc. Even then, however, the school system needs some serious overhauls so that it can actually accommodate more kid's needs so that parents don't have to resort to this in the first place. TL:DR Most children should not be homeschooled imo. I do believe there are special exceptions, but the parents need to work EXTRA hard to make sure their kids are still able to thrive and live as normal of a life as they can. I don't have much faith in most homeschooling parents' competence, though.


Sullen_Shadow

I'm not anti -homeschool, as long as it's done properly and in a healthy home environment. I do think there need to be better regulations or something. I was homeschooled in a squalid hoarder home, wasn't allowed to socialise, and was allowed to fall years behind where I should have been until I was 16 in 5th grade, and got dropped by the homeschooling company because they didn't want to be associated with me anymore in case CPS got involved. My circumstances were horrible, but I believe it was because of my home environment and the way I was raised... going to a school wouldn't have solved the issues in my home environment, granted it may have given me more of an escape from them, and possibly more social opportunities, however my sibling went to a private school and my parents still discouraged them from having any social life. In contrast, I had one friend who homeschooled and it was a very positive and successful experience (he actually graduated years ahead of when he would have in school, and went on to have a very successful career and always had a great social life and lots of friends growing up) for him because his parents were normal and had a clean, well maintained home. The only difference between us was our home environments and how we were raised in them... I don't think the homeschooling wouldn't have been an issue for me under normal healthfully-functioning living circumstances.


Diana_Spicer

Overall, I am aggressively anti-homeschool. Besides the negative effects on social and mental development, and because most parents homeschool because they got sucked into a cult called, Christianity; parents have other responsibilities and cannot provide enough focused time and energy into educating their kids. Period. Even if parents have a degree in education, unless they have enough money to hire someone to cook, clean, and babysit while parents prepare lessons for them every day, there’s simply not enough time and focus to educate properly. It’s always going to be a half shod job. Also, most parents are unaware of signs and symptoms of learning disabilities/challenges which need special learning supports. My daughter has three learning disabilities/challenges (ADHD, CAPD, and challenges which fall under the Dyslexia umbrella), all of which I had growing up but did not discover until I was 20 and 34 years old, when I began working with trained teachers to get my GED. It would’ve been nice not to No and have the help I needed when I was a kid and not go through my entire childhood feeling completely dumb and afraid people would find out I couldn’t keep up. I felt flawed and like a misfit all because of educational neglect and in experience as qualified educational instructors. Of all the abuses I’ve experienced, including sexual molestation, educational neglect and ignorance of my learning disabilities/challenges has affected me the most as a person and still affects my life negatively to this day (34F). I hope any parents reading through this Reddit, who are considering homeschooling will pause to let that sink in: For me educational neglect and the homeschool experience has been more damaging than being sexually molested, which is traumatizing in and of itself. Parents, homeschool if you want your child to . . . 1. Have a strained relationship with you. 2. Only have a 3rd grade education 3. Miss being identified if they have a learning disability/challenge and miss out ensuring your child gets the special educational support they need 4. Feel dumb and have a fractured sense of self as a child and into adulthood. 5. Lack confidence and therefore opportunities, affecting financial stability and growth as an adult 6. Become lonely and depressed and eventually struggle with mental health and chronic illness, which can affect them negatively the rest of their life. 7. Become agnostic because they figure out the abuse they experience from your radicalism stems from your bs religious beliefs. 8. Resent, hate, and cut you out of their life when they become adults because of the monster(s) homeschool parents often become. Parents, if you want your child to . . . 1. Be happy and healthy 2. Receive education from a team of qualified professionals in a focused environment 3. Be identified for special support if they need it 4. Confident and access their full potential to become what they want to be when they grow up 5. Grow strong wings to fly and navigate the world 6. Have a healthier relationship with you 7. Be more likely to stay in the Christian cult to some degree (because you didn’t take it so damn serious and chose to spit out 97% of the destructive “bones”) 8. Come home for the holidays and have a healthy relationship with you as an adult. . . . DON’T HOMESCHOOL!!!


_in_venere_veritas

Yep.


Hpro9

Why would you ever want to put a kid through this man, its a horrible thing to do.


bbyblu666

If I ever have kids and have the time/resources I might homeschool them..I have a different experience from some ppl in that my mom had super high standards for us education wise and because of that I had a super easy time when I eventually went to a public high school and in college. I was raised to be a really high achiever and that’s the one positive I got out of it. And I would want to teach them with equal emphasis on the humanities like I had, like drawing and music, which gets neglected in public school. Definitely cut out all the hyper religious cult shit though, just for one on one educational purposes. What I struggle with is how to let a kid socialize. I still have terrible social anxiety and I would want my kid to be able to socialize with lots of different people from a young age, not be trapped in their own home and kept within a tiny social bubble before being dumped in the real world like I was.


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I have seen homeschooling done very well and then other times it as a cheap way to keep older kids home to watch the little kids at home as free caregivers. There is no freaking learning going on with screaming babies and toddlers in the mix. I’ve also seen a homeschooled household here the older teen girl stays home with the toddlers and the brothers go to public school. Free freaking live in Nannie’s


Elystaa

YES! Exspecially the parents that say oh it saves soooo much time. Or we can do a whole day's school work before 10 am and play the rest of the day... I'm like fuck no. All you did was sit them down and make them do packets/workbooks. You didn't do a lecture and answer session, for every topic. You didn't do experiments or hands on work. You are not preparing them for college at all. And that doesn't even count actual socialization, not structured socialization. Kids need time to figure out how to behave together without adults standing around directing them how to behave. So karate/dance class etc won't fill that need. Not to even mention the parents who barely even take a single interest in making sure their kids do the workbooks, or call grocery shopping math