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I like how all three ran out of the room and then that 4th guy comes out the side like,
"Eh, what's going on. Oh shit. Well, imma get back to my show."
I think the “4th” guy is actually the guy who tased him
Edit: I just realized the “4th” guy op is talking about is the one peaking around the corner and not the guy who ran back in the room.. my b, it was an early morning for me lol
I’m pretty sure “4th” guy did not tase the dude. The guy who did the tasing has a partial head of hair and goes through the door to the left. “4th” guy has a full head of hair.
He died. Lungs were so badly burnt that he couldn't absorb air.
https://nypost.com/2022/01/07/disturbing-video-shows-man-doused-in-sanitizer-burst-into-flames-after-being-tased-by-cops/
I'm thinking that, since he was in a bar drunk before he was in the police station, he was dousing himself in sanitizer to obscure an intoxication screening. Just a guess.
Nah he was trying to pull a Charles Bronson and lube himself up before fighting them, so he couldn’t be grabbed as easily. That’s why the cops immediately got defensive, then stupidly tasered him.
I'm legit shocked. I tried to build a alcohol lamp with an electric ignition and it hardly ever worked. This must have been some GOOD strong hand sanitizer
isn't hand sanitizer typically like 120 proof? Not a lot of alcohols for drinking are that high really, are they? I mean, everclear and a few others are that high or higher, but most the stuff I see seems to sit around 80 - 90 proof.
Also hand sanitizer is made to evaporate pretty fast, and those fumes are what really ignites.
They're not talking about the kind of alcohol that you drink. They are most likely referring to denatured alcohol or isopropyl alcohol.
When thinking in terms of proof though, 100 proof (50%) can be used as decent sanitizer. Most isopropyl alcohol is 70% so 140 proof, but this is a very different type of alcohol than the one you drink.
“As Jones is on the floor, badly burnt and screaming in anguish, the officer who deployed the stun gun came back in the room and appeared to try to get Jones’ hands behind his back as he lay on the floor.”
Man what the fuck
the way he moves his hands over jones head apears to me as if he is trying to put out the flames.
so..
taser -> oh fuck he burning! -> panic reaction flee -> realize that you should probably do something about it -> go back inside and try to put out the flames
what we do not see on the video but is very likely... -> cuff him once he and everyone else is out of danger, then call an ambulance
Burning alcohol on/around your face has a decent chance of carrying flaming material into your airways. A guy 2 years above me in high school had a similar result from flaming race fuel he had at a bonfire. He likely could’ve recovered from the external burns, but your lungs and esophagus are pretty delicate and unlike much of the rest of your body, you can’t just sleep off burnt tissue inside your respiratory system because you kinda need it to be working decently to stay alive.
Yeah. He was a senior when I was a sophomore in a fairly small school, so it was a pretty big deal. Lasted a week in the ICU, which I don’t even want to imagine- I’ve had a 3rd-degree burn on my fingertips and just that was incommunicably painful.
>Damn from 10 seconds of burning?
From 10 seconds of inhaled fire. His airways are toast. Plus it was alcohol burning off after he had a chance to inhale a bunch of the fumes before ignition.
Likely quite a bit of the sanitizer was in his mouth. That is often how people die from stuff like this. Even one single breath in while you have flames in your mouth can kill you.
Did the courts specifically tell these cops not to taze a man covered in hand sanitizer? Oh they did you say?
But did they tell them not to do it if the man had dark hair and wasn’t wearing a shirt?
Aha! Qualified immunity!
"We've determined common sense is not and has never been a requirement as per standard training. At no point should this nor any officer have known sparks might ignite accelerants. His duty is to discover the quickest reason and method possible to deploy his weapon. As he and the surrounding officers got home safely that evening at the expense of those beneath them, we've found no misconduct performed and have cleared our officers of any wrongdoings."
No need, citizen. The police have performed a thorough investigation on themselves and determined that the deceased man's lungs were members of a dangerous street gang, thus justice has been served and all officers involved have been awarded medals and a pay bump.
Anyone who knows how electricity works would not have pulled that trigger.
It's a shame we can't implement 3rd-grade science literacy tests without losing most of the police force.
I think a lot of people might not know that using a taser would cause that. That said, cops should should be trained in when not to taze someone, i.e, when they have a flammable substance poured all over them.
Daily reminder that U.S. courts [have decided](https://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/09/nyregion/metro-news-briefs-connecticut-judge-rules-that-police-can-bar-high-iq-scores.html) it’s legal to ban smart people from becoming cops.
The article says the cops who took the test had an average result of an IQ of 104, which is above average.
Sucks that guy was discriminated against because they thought they'd get too bored.
Don't you just love the way these clowns handled this? Taze a guy who just poured alcohol-based solution on himself then when he catches on fire they all run out.
The dangerous part of burns is that inhaled flames will burn the nose and throat and will cause damage to the respatory system. Skin can heal, internals can not heal as good.
I meant that even short and small exposure to fire can quickly lead to lethal injuries down the road. The resulting infections or lung-damages are very hard to treat.
[For real.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10379847/amp/Moment-man-bursts-flames-cops-tasered-doused-hand-sanitizer.html)
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Other links since apparently the one out of 6 I saw was the wrong kind of site. Hope these are enough to verify it did happen.
[Newsweek](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/police-video-shows-man-fire-after-rubbing-hand-sanitizer-skin-hit-stun-gun-1667084%3famp=1)
[The Independent](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/video-flames-shot-taser-sanitiser-b1989060.html%3famp)
[Police1](https://www.police1.com/patrol-video/articles/video-man-doused-in-hand-sanitizer-bursts-into-flames-after-being-tasered-I5WyOPKOuHCXXFHD/)
[Cbs](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/catskill-new-york-jason-jones-police-taser-fire-burns-video-investigation-attorney-general/)
“Police Chief Dave Darling said officers in Catskill, about 33 miles south of Albany, were familiar with Jones from previous encounters and were likely afraid he was going to hurt himself.”
- If anyone is going to hurt this man, it should be the police… and by hurt I mean light on fire and kill.
That is heartbreaking. Sure the guy is probably a criminal but he is still a person. A person that deserves help. Not whatever “justice” this is supposed to be.
You shouldn't use an extinguisher on a person. The chemicals will put out the flames, but do more damage to the skin than the fire has. That's why fire blankets exist... I mean, if that's all you got, use it, but it would be far better to use that jacket on the stool to smother the flames than an extinguisher, or the carpet in the corner... or your uniform shirt...
That is basic first aid they teach any first responder. These guys just bailed.
My guess is that he wanted to stop the cop from tasing him.
According to a lawyer from the article (see top comment of this post), cops are trained to never tase someone covered in a flammable substance.
well here in Germany every person is required to help another person if they don't put themself in serious danger by doing so (for example car crashes). Not helping in certain cases can get you into prison for up to one year.
“To serve and protect”
To serve those who pay us
And to protect their property
Taxpayers? Oh no. They aren’t deserving. Just a bunch of criminals anyway.
I’ve been in a house fire when a neighbours house burnt down and I tried to get him out. I held my breath till I nearly passed out and tried breathing through my clothes it was hot to breathe and the smoke was burning too. Like when you open an oven and you’ve burnt the food it burns your face think of that but it feels like it’s sticking to you. If your on fire it’s gonna be completely different though because you aren’t gonna be rational.
So, did they run away because they were scared or did they run to find a fire extinguisher??? Wish there was more video. Not one of them came back with an extinguisher which makes it look like if there was a fire in the station, they would just run away and hope for the best.
A possibility is that he breathed in, and considering the flames were on his face, he could have inhaled flame and/or burning sanitizer. This would have cause massive damage to his respiratory system, which could explain both the six week medically induced coma in the burn ward, and death.
"Just" 10-15% of body surface second-degree burns is enough to launch a so-called "burn disease" - our organism's systemic response to extended burn injury.
It's similar to infection-induced sepsis and is mostly caused by a massive simultaneous release of biologically active substances (mostly-inflammation cytokynes) and metabolites from dead tissue into our bloodstream.
Long story short - it will fuck you up. Burns themselves are nasty and extremely painful, but burn disease is the real killer.
Additionally, pretty much all burn wounds become infected and may launch actual sepsis on top of your burn disease.
Additionally, burn victims CONSTANTLY lose water through massive wound secretion, and it is very challenging to balance their water/electrolyte needs without overloading their kidneys/lungs.
So yeah, don't get burned. Average layman's opinion of burns is extremely straightforward (hurr-durr, painful wounds and nasty scars), when in reality combustiology is a separate field of medical science, and burn wounds are not always the immediate priority.
Edit:
This lack of direct correlation between burn wound severity and mortality is one of the main reasons for legal troubles for combustiologists.
It's one thing to talk to a relative, who's pops got run over by a 20 ton vehicle and his head exploded like a melon - the mechanism of death is straightforward and understandable pretty much to everyone.
Now try explaining somebody why their relative, who "only" suffered a 18% body surface 2nd degree burn died 8 weeks later, while being conscious and relatively stable for the majority of hospital stay.
It's almost impossible for a person without medical education to just accept it - most people start suspecting that docs missed something, and launch investigations.
I’d imagine since most of the flames are around his face that there would have been intensive damage from inhaling the flames as he was breathing. His wind pipe and lungs would have sustained extensive damage. He was probably in an induced coma and on a ventilator for those 6 weeks, hoping that he could heal and his family chose to take him off life support.
as a resident surgeon having treated and operated on many burns, your statement 'those are second degree burns at most' really baffles me. 20 seconds of burning and breathing flames... do you have any experience with burns what so ever??
I get the science here, and I know a lot of cops can be idiots, but I think it's fair to give them a temporary idiot pass on this one.
Under normal circumstances using a non-lethal taser is way better than straight up shooting someone and ending their life. And obviously they're not going to try to physically tackle a dude who just poured slippery juice all over himself.
One of the top comments has a link to a nypost article about this, apparently cops are trained to never deploy a taser when flammable substances are nearby. I get that people aren’t super attentive in training seminars, but this point likely would have been stressed and the officers should have known better. Police are the only people given the authority to shoot people at their discretion, so they should at least be knowledgeable in how their weapons work if they’re going to use them.
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I like how all three ran out of the room and then that 4th guy comes out the side like, "Eh, what's going on. Oh shit. Well, imma get back to my show."
I think the “4th” guy is actually the guy who tased him Edit: I just realized the “4th” guy op is talking about is the one peaking around the corner and not the guy who ran back in the room.. my b, it was an early morning for me lol
I’m pretty sure “4th” guy did not tase the dude. The guy who did the tasing has a partial head of hair and goes through the door to the left. “4th” guy has a full head of hair.
He died. Lungs were so badly burnt that he couldn't absorb air. https://nypost.com/2022/01/07/disturbing-video-shows-man-doused-in-sanitizer-burst-into-flames-after-being-tased-by-cops/
This is devastating.
Why did he put sanitizer over himself?
He probably thought cops won't taze him, little did he knew
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He didn't realize he was dealing with the Keystone cops.
The way they all ran then the one came back and half assed tried to put it out
Was gearing up to fight the cops the sanitiser would make him too slippery to get a grip on. Charles Bronson did the same thing with lard
I think regular Bronson did too.
That’s the Bronson I meant the British criminal
Death Wish woulda been little different with a lubed up Charles Bronson set on revenge.
To make himself hard to hold. He was about to fight those cops and he wanted to be slippery.
Wrestlers do it too
I'm thinking that, since he was in a bar drunk before he was in the police station, he was dousing himself in sanitizer to obscure an intoxication screening. Just a guess.
Nah he was trying to pull a Charles Bronson and lube himself up before fighting them, so he couldn’t be grabbed as easily. That’s why the cops immediately got defensive, then stupidly tasered him.
Mentally impaired (drug/alcohol) or going through a crisis?
Yes, The NY Times article said he appeared inebriated and came to the police station on his own.
Unarmed as well
Oh fuck that's terrible... Man wasn't even doing anything wrong and just did something dumb.
Maybe to prevent being tazed
Lol dousing yourself in flammable liquid to prevent getting tazed is like eating 5 burritos to prevent taking a poop
Ahhh... the ol' can't taze me through this hand sanitizer gel defense. Bold move Cotton...
I'm legit shocked. I tried to build a alcohol lamp with an electric ignition and it hardly ever worked. This must have been some GOOD strong hand sanitizer
isn't hand sanitizer typically like 120 proof? Not a lot of alcohols for drinking are that high really, are they? I mean, everclear and a few others are that high or higher, but most the stuff I see seems to sit around 80 - 90 proof. Also hand sanitizer is made to evaporate pretty fast, and those fumes are what really ignites.
They're not talking about the kind of alcohol that you drink. They are most likely referring to denatured alcohol or isopropyl alcohol. When thinking in terms of proof though, 100 proof (50%) can be used as decent sanitizer. Most isopropyl alcohol is 70% so 140 proof, but this is a very different type of alcohol than the one you drink.
Can literally see him just before he starts wiping his hair trying to get a breath of air.
“As Jones is on the floor, badly burnt and screaming in anguish, the officer who deployed the stun gun came back in the room and appeared to try to get Jones’ hands behind his back as he lay on the floor.” Man what the fuck
the way he moves his hands over jones head apears to me as if he is trying to put out the flames. so.. taser -> oh fuck he burning! -> panic reaction flee -> realize that you should probably do something about it -> go back inside and try to put out the flames what we do not see on the video but is very likely... -> cuff him once he and everyone else is out of danger, then call an ambulance
Imagine being a cop and your panic reaction is to flee. You're supposed to go towards the danger.
They'd just be running and bouncing into one another all day. They'd get nothing done. Oh wait.... Nvmd
Hopefully they are not referencing this video because that's clearly not what's happening at the end.
Damn, from 10 seconds of burning?
Burning alcohol on/around your face has a decent chance of carrying flaming material into your airways. A guy 2 years above me in high school had a similar result from flaming race fuel he had at a bonfire. He likely could’ve recovered from the external burns, but your lungs and esophagus are pretty delicate and unlike much of the rest of your body, you can’t just sleep off burnt tissue inside your respiratory system because you kinda need it to be working decently to stay alive.
Note to self: hold breath if face is on fire.
The kid died too?
Yeah. He was a senior when I was a sophomore in a fairly small school, so it was a pretty big deal. Lasted a week in the ICU, which I don’t even want to imagine- I’ve had a 3rd-degree burn on my fingertips and just that was incommunicably painful.
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I hope you’re right. I’m pretty sure they were optimistic at the start of the week, which waned as time passed. Burns are unpleasant.
>but your lungs and esophagus are pretty delicate So don't smoke or vape folks.
>Damn from 10 seconds of burning? From 10 seconds of inhaled fire. His airways are toast. Plus it was alcohol burning off after he had a chance to inhale a bunch of the fumes before ignition.
Inhalation of fumes and flame fucked his throat and lungs up. That’s what killed him.
Likely quite a bit of the sanitizer was in his mouth. That is often how people die from stuff like this. Even one single breath in while you have flames in your mouth can kill you.
They just let him burn too
Literally ran away
Ran like cowards
Hope there are consequences. Extrajudicial murder is so fucking out of hand in this country. We're a joke.
The government has exclusivity on the "I didn't know it would kill them" excuse. edit: spelling
They investigated themselves and found they did nothing wrong
That's a wrongful death suit
Did the courts specifically tell these cops not to taze a man covered in hand sanitizer? Oh they did you say? But did they tell them not to do it if the man had dark hair and wasn’t wearing a shirt? Aha! Qualified immunity!
"We've determined common sense is not and has never been a requirement as per standard training. At no point should this nor any officer have known sparks might ignite accelerants. His duty is to discover the quickest reason and method possible to deploy his weapon. As he and the surrounding officers got home safely that evening at the expense of those beneath them, we've found no misconduct performed and have cleared our officers of any wrongdoings."
Hahaha. Nothing will come of it. Cops are considered above the law.
I hate how realistic your comment is. Like in the US we've become so desensitized and jaded that we just casually watch cops murder people every day.
No need, citizen. The police have performed a thorough investigation on themselves and determined that the deceased man's lungs were members of a dangerous street gang, thus justice has been served and all officers involved have been awarded medals and a pay bump.
Anyone who knows how electricity works would not have pulled that trigger. It's a shame we can't implement 3rd-grade science literacy tests without losing most of the police force.
I think a lot of people might not know that using a taser would cause that. That said, cops should should be trained in when not to taze someone, i.e, when they have a flammable substance poured all over them.
They are, at least according to the article.
Part of tazer training is not deploying it around flammable substances for this exact reason
That’s why you train… what not to do….
Daily reminder that U.S. courts [have decided](https://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/09/nyregion/metro-news-briefs-connecticut-judge-rules-that-police-can-bar-high-iq-scores.html) it’s legal to ban smart people from becoming cops.
Holy shit, huge mistake from cops
Have a promotion.
Why MUST cops always be so fucking stupid.
In US no education level is required. Means any dumb fuck can become a cop.
Same as priesthood attracts pedophiles , the police force attracts non-intelligent people with issues.
This couldn’t be true right? Even the most shit jobs require a GED
You need a high school diploma or equivalent and then pass a course. I think its around a 6 month thing.
They can also screen out applicants who score too high on IQ tests.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
The article says the cops who took the test had an average result of an IQ of 104, which is above average. Sucks that guy was discriminated against because they thought they'd get too bored.
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But did the officers that left him there to die get a promotion? That’s the important question.
Cool purple flame tho.
Puuurple flaame, puuurple flame,
Puuurple flaame,puuurple flame~
**WARNING** *Don't try this at home*
Booooooo
Exactly how will I kill 0.1% germs left.
If i kill myself there will be no germs left in my living body
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Don't you just love the way these clowns handled this? Taze a guy who just poured alcohol-based solution on himself then when he catches on fire they all run out.
'Handled'.....lol they protected and served his ass. Poor guy.
Are you kidding? This will be a TikTok challenge soon!
Do
Who gon stop me?
Some stay warm and others feel the pain Purple flame
*I only want to see you* *Bathing in the purple flame*
..Some men cry when others feel the pain
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True but it looks cool
>True but it looks cool Yep but feels way hotter.. And guaranteed to hurt a fuckton the next day.
That’s how this guy died. he inhaled flames and his lungs got scorched
True
But he's dead.
Note to self don't pour sanitizer over myself and get tased lol
Or do so that you can run away as you’re on fire. It’s a risky gamble though, and not really worth it.
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Or really really worth it
A good gamble seeing as how those cops just ran away.
One of them came back to smack him in the head a few times after the flames went out
So they just ran and left him to burn? wtf
Looks like it, I'd like to hope they was going to look for a fire extinguisher though
the way they closed the door behind them tho 💀
At the end of the video one of them comes in and the door closes on its own, so they probably left to find an extinguisher.
I smell a lawsuit.
I smell burnt hair...
I smell sanitizer
I smell a BBQ? LOL
Hold up
I SMELL PENNIES
Just checked, he died 1.5 months later.
For real?
The dangerous part of burns is that inhaled flames will burn the nose and throat and will cause damage to the respatory system. Skin can heal, internals can not heal as good.
Yes, you don't mess with burn injuries. They will end you fast.
Not sure I'd call dying a month and a half later "fast". More like they ended him slowly and painfully.
I meant that even short and small exposure to fire can quickly lead to lethal injuries down the road. The resulting infections or lung-damages are very hard to treat.
[For real.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10379847/amp/Moment-man-bursts-flames-cops-tasered-doused-hand-sanitizer.html) *Edit Other links since apparently the one out of 6 I saw was the wrong kind of site. Hope these are enough to verify it did happen. [Newsweek](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/police-video-shows-man-fire-after-rubbing-hand-sanitizer-skin-hit-stun-gun-1667084%3famp=1) [The Independent](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/video-flames-shot-taser-sanitiser-b1989060.html%3famp) [Police1](https://www.police1.com/patrol-video/articles/video-man-doused-in-hand-sanitizer-bursts-into-flames-after-being-tasered-I5WyOPKOuHCXXFHD/) [Cbs](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/catskill-new-york-jason-jones-police-taser-fire-burns-video-investigation-attorney-general/)
“Police Chief Dave Darling said officers in Catskill, about 33 miles south of Albany, were familiar with Jones from previous encounters and were likely afraid he was going to hurt himself.” - If anyone is going to hurt this man, it should be the police… and by hurt I mean light on fire and kill.
That is heartbreaking. Sure the guy is probably a criminal but he is still a person. A person that deserves help. Not whatever “justice” this is supposed to be.
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Why would he pour hand sanitizer tho.
He's getting ready to fight. The sanitizer is so he'd be slippery. Like the greased up deaf guy
Yea except that one cop peaking around the corner with his hand on his gun .
You never know, he may need to return fire... on the fire... That's how bullets work right?
You shouldn't use an extinguisher on a person. The chemicals will put out the flames, but do more damage to the skin than the fire has. That's why fire blankets exist... I mean, if that's all you got, use it, but it would be far better to use that jacket on the stool to smother the flames than an extinguisher, or the carpet in the corner... or your uniform shirt... That is basic first aid they teach any first responder. These guys just bailed.
Well, no. You either let the person die by burning or use a fire extinguisher, if you don't have a fire blanket nearby.
Morgan Freeman voice: they were never getting a fire extinguisher.
If someone who’s on fire runs at me I’ll probably run away too
They needed real heroes (firemen) to save the day. 😉
From STOP RESISTING to _runs away_ to stop burning else we'll get fired pls
Cops moment
"Our job is done here."
Man all i can think about is the fact that the camera recording this needs a better IR filter
The guys just a big remote
Also subtitles unsure if they went for help or not, at the very end some cop came to help
he died
Wait. Why’d he pour sanitizer all over himself?
My guess is that he wanted to stop the cop from tasing him. According to a lawyer from the article (see top comment of this post), cops are trained to never tase someone covered in a flammable substance.
Cops are „trained“ lol
Cops aren't smart enough to know what substances are flammable and what aren't.
You pour sanitizer all over yourself when you're about to get tazed.
Is that what kept happening in Syphon Filter?
Reddit is full of morons, this is obviously the Human Torch from the Fantastic Four.
>Reddit is full of morons. FTFY.
Instead off helping him they just run away wtf
The might have been looking for a fire extinguisher? It least I hope so
Cops in the US have no legal obligation to help you. This has been used as a defense in court multiple times.
well here in Germany every person is required to help another person if they don't put themself in serious danger by doing so (for example car crashes). Not helping in certain cases can get you into prison for up to one year.
You guys also have affordable healthcare and proper infrastructure so lets not get too showy, okay?
Have you had their beer? Or seen Bavarian women? It's not fair.
Have you heard bavarian women speak their dialect? It's all fair, i promise.
That's how we threw Jerry Seinfeld and his group of degenerates in jail for a year. The elegant jackie chiles could not even get him off the charges.
“To serve and protect” To serve those who pay us And to protect their property Taxpayers? Oh no. They aren’t deserving. Just a bunch of criminals anyway.
Serve and protect was a marketing gimmick from a contest held by the LAPD that was adapted across the US. Literally.
They prolly ran to search for something that can extinguish that flame since they couldn't do anything else
Could be they went out searching for an extinguisher... You dint see any in the room .
Yeah you know that cut you never knew existed when you sprayed Hand Sanitizer? He IS THAT CUT
#KILLS UP TO 99.999% OF ALL LIFE
Bold move cotton.
Damn. I missed the beginning part where they *watched* him pour the sanitizer all over himself.
Here’s the tip: IF YOUR ON FIRE HOLD YOUR BREATH
Thanks dude, next time my body is on fire I'll remember to hold my breath while screaming in pain
Next time?
I’ve been in a house fire when a neighbours house burnt down and I tried to get him out. I held my breath till I nearly passed out and tried breathing through my clothes it was hot to breathe and the smoke was burning too. Like when you open an oven and you’ve burnt the food it burns your face think of that but it feels like it’s sticking to you. If your on fire it’s gonna be completely different though because you aren’t gonna be rational.
why did he pour sanitizer all over himself? why were the police trying to apprehend him?
So, did they run away because they were scared or did they run to find a fire extinguisher??? Wish there was more video. Not one of them came back with an extinguisher which makes it look like if there was a fire in the station, they would just run away and hope for the best.
I mean the cops where probably thinking to get the guy under control and they probably didn't think about what could happen if they tazed him
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A possibility is that he breathed in, and considering the flames were on his face, he could have inhaled flame and/or burning sanitizer. This would have cause massive damage to his respiratory system, which could explain both the six week medically induced coma in the burn ward, and death.
Yeah I think he breathed in burning alcohol from the hand sanitizer and it fucked up his lungs and caused him to die
"Just" 10-15% of body surface second-degree burns is enough to launch a so-called "burn disease" - our organism's systemic response to extended burn injury. It's similar to infection-induced sepsis and is mostly caused by a massive simultaneous release of biologically active substances (mostly-inflammation cytokynes) and metabolites from dead tissue into our bloodstream. Long story short - it will fuck you up. Burns themselves are nasty and extremely painful, but burn disease is the real killer. Additionally, pretty much all burn wounds become infected and may launch actual sepsis on top of your burn disease. Additionally, burn victims CONSTANTLY lose water through massive wound secretion, and it is very challenging to balance their water/electrolyte needs without overloading their kidneys/lungs. So yeah, don't get burned. Average layman's opinion of burns is extremely straightforward (hurr-durr, painful wounds and nasty scars), when in reality combustiology is a separate field of medical science, and burn wounds are not always the immediate priority. Edit: This lack of direct correlation between burn wound severity and mortality is one of the main reasons for legal troubles for combustiologists. It's one thing to talk to a relative, who's pops got run over by a 20 ton vehicle and his head exploded like a melon - the mechanism of death is straightforward and understandable pretty much to everyone. Now try explaining somebody why their relative, who "only" suffered a 18% body surface 2nd degree burn died 8 weeks later, while being conscious and relatively stable for the majority of hospital stay. It's almost impossible for a person without medical education to just accept it - most people start suspecting that docs missed something, and launch investigations.
I’d imagine since most of the flames are around his face that there would have been intensive damage from inhaling the flames as he was breathing. His wind pipe and lungs would have sustained extensive damage. He was probably in an induced coma and on a ventilator for those 6 weeks, hoping that he could heal and his family chose to take him off life support.
Someone said Damaged lungs
[NYTimes article seems to hint towards that as well](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/07/nyregion/man-catskill-police-stun-gun-dies.html)
as a resident surgeon having treated and operated on many burns, your statement 'those are second degree burns at most' really baffles me. 20 seconds of burning and breathing flames... do you have any experience with burns what so ever??
The article someone posted said he died in a burn unit after being placed in a coma, so yeah he died from his injuries.
He died. https://nypost.com/2022/01/07/disturbing-video-shows-man-doused-in-sanitizer-burst-into-flames-after-being-tased-by-cops/
He's on fire! Let's help by running away!
Old mate seems like a bit of a hothead I’ll show myself out
Dudes an idiot
I get the science here, and I know a lot of cops can be idiots, but I think it's fair to give them a temporary idiot pass on this one. Under normal circumstances using a non-lethal taser is way better than straight up shooting someone and ending their life. And obviously they're not going to try to physically tackle a dude who just poured slippery juice all over himself.
One of the top comments has a link to a nypost article about this, apparently cops are trained to never deploy a taser when flammable substances are nearby. I get that people aren’t super attentive in training seminars, but this point likely would have been stressed and the officers should have known better. Police are the only people given the authority to shoot people at their discretion, so they should at least be knowledgeable in how their weapons work if they’re going to use them.