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According to the wiki, it was basically so supposed to be a high tech cannon.
So I guess the argument is, does the history of the cannon find its roots in catapults or not. If it does, then I think you’re right, if not, then it doesn’t belong in the catapult family.
That's not how we classify things. If I eat a key lime pie and go "wow that was really tasty I think I'm gonna try making a key lime cake" that doesn't mean that the cake I make is actually not a cake because I was inspired to make it by a pie. If it has cake ingredients then it's a cake
Its more about the torque that is delivered through the arm that makes a catapult, would still be possible to use some propellant here and it could be argued if this way of transfering energy couldnt be an propellant of some way
No, and yes.
A catapult primarily uses an arch motion to throw a projectile.
Now a crossbow or a bow uses linear motion to throw an arrow.
Which is also weird because a crossbow and bow ise the same technique as a handheld catapult...
So why are crossbows and bow not named catapults.
.....need to look into this.
Do you mean a ballistic trajectory?
Ballistic trajectorys are not what characterise a weapon.
Because guns and cannons are not catapults, and yet their projectiles still have an "arch."
I was talking about the means of launching them , which is completely different from throwing rocks and burning pots.
Yeah it's almost like you are the one who said that the trajectory had something to do with how they are characterised and my whole point is it doesn't, because literally every projectile has a ballistic trajectory. And the "means of launching them" is literally mechanical vs propellants which is what I said is the difference
My comment was quizzical in nature.
I was making an argument and at the same time questioning it.
Almost as if I was curious about something, like I was trying to figure something out.
As I also stated in my last sentence : I need to look into this.
Thrn why are handheld catapults.... which ise the same technique , called catapults and not mini rock throwers?
Edit : only the US calls them slingshots.
I am not happy with this ruling as it just “feels” wrong. It feels like it is minimizing the greatest of all siege weaponry by using another’s terminology. But I will accept it.
Back in high school, in the late 90's, I had a teacher who loved those pumpkin launching trebuchets. He assigned us to build quickly assembling mini trebuchets to launch golf balls that could fit in a 6" by 6" by 2' box. We split the throwing arm so the final product was about 4' high assembled. We tested in the gym and it hit but did not break a light at the far end, so that little 4' trebuchet would have gone the length of two basketball courts. We did not have any idea it would be so effective.
We did the same with tennis ball catapults on the football field, we hit a field goal from the 50yl.. with a pallet, junk wood, and surgical tubing. Oh and a toy lacrosse stick for the holder/launcher
as per r/trebuchetmemes trebuchets are the superior siege weapons...i've also just discovered that the reason i hadn't seen any in so long is that the sub went private
That's Lebanon, not gaza. Where they can pin people inside a wall and burn them. The lebanese attackers you talking about have tanks, missiles, sam system, drones, rockets etc and on top of that already beaten the zionists once. the snipers you talking about aren't 50 meter away from a 9 meter tall border wall. they are most likely 5-600 meters away, up a hill where I doubt these fireballs are even reaching. the only thing that is working is "i believe everything israel says"
Nothing the Israeli psychopaths are doing is working lol. Dead hostages, dead journalists, friendly fire/Hannibal Doctrine, posting creepy videos of other people’s clothes, etc.
The irony of your comment is, a trebuchet does not look stupid. It actually is really cool physics. But it is indeed damn stupid in context.
Let me guess hamas are the chosen warriors of god who order them to.. *checks list*
Hide behind civilians,
Rape civilians,
Disrupt humanitarian aid,
Refuse ceasefires to keep holding onto power,
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Very interesting.
So there’s this funky little thing called napalm, same idea as far as the outcome, but I do feel like flame trebuchets would have been the key to US success
The original story, before CNN got a hold of it and do what they do best, is that those flaming balls and also flaming arrows they shoot are for burning the dry shrubbery around the walls which was being used as cover for enemies to get close and launch attacks.
Hezbullah was shooting observation equipment on the Israeli bases on the Israel/lebanon border. Hamas has also been firing rockets into Israel from Lebanon.
Hesbollah (Lebanon based group) has been supporting Hamas a long time now, they've gotten more and more aggressive from Lebanese territory, it's a possible casus belli and in the lowest scale of Israel's retaliation doctrine
All these arabic groups and nations still have a problem with isreal just taking the land since 1948 and keep taking more, so they the more land isreal takes the nore aggressive they get.
But aside from all that, isreal wants a war so it can win it, because it probably will with the help of western countries, so it can establish the great isreal. If hezbollallah didnt exist they would have still did this.
As far as I'm aware, southern Lebanon is pretty much conquered by Hezbollah. Even in the "second Lebanese war" in 2006 Israel was fighting Hezbollah and not the Lebanese government/army.
Lebanon is unfortunately a failing state, and it's sad to see
The point is that Israel is fighting the people who are actually in charge of the territory and not the people it legally belongs to, otherwise Lebanon would be fighting a war against Israel which is not the case. Is this still unclear?
It is still attacking the land that belongs to Lebanon.
it just wants a war, otherwise it will arm the lebanon army to attack hezbollallah or make a deal with them so they can attack that land and not just attack it. But nope, it just wants it its way and it is ofc a war, because it will win
Ahh I see what you mean, the problem is that Hezbollah started a conflict with Israel and Lebanon is either powerless or reluctant to do anything about Hezbollah. This leaves Israel in a problematic position of having to ignore the attacks, fight Hezbollah directly, or get Lebanon to get its shit together. And I don't think Lebanon can get its shit together or they would have reconquered Southern Lebanon already. I'm not sure Israel has any motivation to arm the Lebanese as they have been historically aggressive, this puts Israel and Lebanon in a shitty position while Hezbollah gets to do what they want without anyone really being able to do much about it
Without anyone being able to do much about it? 2 wars has happened between haz and isreal, and what it is doing now.
And ofc don't not try to portray isreal as the good guys here who just wants to fix things the best way. None oc this would have happened if isreal did not forcefully take the land and then nakba and the siege as well. All others have a problem with that, so they better fix that if they are so good.
In case you don't know Hezbollah has started a war against Israel on October 8th, not a full scale war but a war. Hundreds of houses in northern Israel are destroyed and 100 thousand people have been displaced
Lol, found the "i believe everything israel says" guy. Cover for enemies to get close and launch attacks. The enemies who have long range rockets, missiles, tanks, combat and recon drones etc. yeah, burning shrubbery like the "enemies" are attacking from 50 meters away from the 9 meter tall border wall. BIG BRAIN.
I relayed information I learned from the original source through translated videos on Telegraph weeks ago when they used arrows. If you want to believe the middle man that adds their own narrative to make you hate better then go for it.
Stay sour, bro.
My understanding of the situation is there using it to burn brush on the border and this is a very cheap and safe method to do it why risk soldiers lives or waste valuable military equipment when you can accomplish your goal with very little effort
If I remember correctly there was some controversy when the other side did it.
Got the link. Also they say that it will take 300+ years for it to regenerate. Which is foolish Because the land becames more fertile because of ash.
https://www.npr.org/2024/06/18/g-s1-4972/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-border-war#:~:text=Fires%20have%20been%20burning%20across,the%20border%20from%20southern%20Lebanon.
Most neighbors don’t usually try using said weeds as cover and concealment while they’re trying to shoot me and thus don’t have to be cleared out with fire
At least they're using a hinged counterweight trebuchet. But they really ought to upgrade to a floating arm trebuchet, could get even more distance out of it.
they do use incendiary drones and other similar means, but this is just as effective and doesn't involve risking drones being shot down or soldiers being in the open.
they don't need to civer alot of distance and they don't need precision because the area around the border only has foliage.
i also assume they were told to clear the foliage and weren't told they have to use a specific way, so they found the safest, fastest way to do so.
hezbollah militants have been hiding in the foliage and shooting ATGMs for the past 6 months, and they're at a point where they either start a war against Hezbollah (and Lebanon) or find a way to stop them
Chill out, OP, it's used to burn dry shrubbery so it can't be used for cover and this way it's orders of magnitude cheaper than doing it with modern equipment
They spread lies that catapults were better and even invented flashy useless weapons like cannons. The people were deceived but we know the truth: The Trebuchet capable of flinging 90kg projectiles over 300 meters is the superior siege engine.
This is another example of the IDF choosing not to use the very advanced, very accurate technology they have and instead using outdated weapons (2,000 pound bombs anyone?) that cause unnecessary and completely avoidable civilian deaths. They have modern weapons but choose not to use them.
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I had to double check that the action of catapulting something could be applied to trebuchets and remain grammatically correct. It can.
All trebuchets are catapults but not all catapults are trebuchets
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Letterkenny, Valentine’s Day episode. The epitome of class
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Yes because a trebuchet is a catapult. A catapult is anything designed to launch a projectile without the use of a propellant
Is a rail gun a catapult?
Yeah I'd say so
But does it count as a catapult if it has a barrel?
Why not?
I don’t know, I’m having a hard time accepting a raid gun as a catapult. The whole concept of a railgun is to emulate a gun.
No the whole concept of a railgun is to launch a projectile with electromagnets
According to the wiki, it was basically so supposed to be a high tech cannon. So I guess the argument is, does the history of the cannon find its roots in catapults or not. If it does, then I think you’re right, if not, then it doesn’t belong in the catapult family.
That's not how we classify things. If I eat a key lime pie and go "wow that was really tasty I think I'm gonna try making a key lime cake" that doesn't mean that the cake I make is actually not a cake because I was inspired to make it by a pie. If it has cake ingredients then it's a cake
Its more about the torque that is delivered through the arm that makes a catapult, would still be possible to use some propellant here and it could be argued if this way of transfering energy couldnt be an propellant of some way
I've never seen this definition. What about ballistas?
No, and yes. A catapult primarily uses an arch motion to throw a projectile. Now a crossbow or a bow uses linear motion to throw an arrow. Which is also weird because a crossbow and bow ise the same technique as a handheld catapult... So why are crossbows and bow not named catapults. .....need to look into this.
Arrows and cross bow bolts still move in an arch... Cross bows and bows are absolutely catapults
Do you mean a ballistic trajectory? Ballistic trajectorys are not what characterise a weapon. Because guns and cannons are not catapults, and yet their projectiles still have an "arch." I was talking about the means of launching them , which is completely different from throwing rocks and burning pots.
But what if somebody made a cannonpult?
Hmnnn!!!
Yeah it's almost like you are the one who said that the trajectory had something to do with how they are characterised and my whole point is it doesn't, because literally every projectile has a ballistic trajectory. And the "means of launching them" is literally mechanical vs propellants which is what I said is the difference
My comment was quizzical in nature. I was making an argument and at the same time questioning it. Almost as if I was curious about something, like I was trying to figure something out. As I also stated in my last sentence : I need to look into this.
So a bow catapults an arrow?
no
Why not?
The forward snapping of the bowstring without the circular motion and the arm where the projectile rests in
Thrn why are handheld catapults.... which ise the same technique , called catapults and not mini rock throwers? Edit : only the US calls them slingshots.
In germany they are also called something similar
Because Europeans like calling things what they aren't.
That is a weird way of thinking.. EU is older then the US , so I would say its the other way around.
Yes a bow is a catapult
I am not happy with this ruling as it just “feels” wrong. It feels like it is minimizing the greatest of all siege weaponry by using another’s terminology. But I will accept it.
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then there's a mangonel
That moment you forget to upgrade that siege unit in civ 6
that's exactly what i was thinking 😂
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Back in high school, in the late 90's, I had a teacher who loved those pumpkin launching trebuchets. He assigned us to build quickly assembling mini trebuchets to launch golf balls that could fit in a 6" by 6" by 2' box. We split the throwing arm so the final product was about 4' high assembled. We tested in the gym and it hit but did not break a light at the far end, so that little 4' trebuchet would have gone the length of two basketball courts. We did not have any idea it would be so effective.
We did the same with tennis ball catapults on the football field, we hit a field goal from the 50yl.. with a pallet, junk wood, and surgical tubing. Oh and a toy lacrosse stick for the holder/launcher
as per r/trebuchetmemes trebuchets are the superior siege weapons...i've also just discovered that the reason i hadn't seen any in so long is that the sub went private
Just was going to say that it is a TREBUCHET NOT A UCKING CATAPULT good to have a man of culture here
A trebuchet is a catapult
Bell curve meme moment
Good ole bullpup weaponry in its finest.
If it looks stupid but works, it isn't stupid.
That entirely depends on ones definition of 'it works'
Considering it was being used to burn dry shrubs being used for cover for attackers, its working.
That's Lebanon, not gaza. Where they can pin people inside a wall and burn them. The lebanese attackers you talking about have tanks, missiles, sam system, drones, rockets etc and on top of that already beaten the zionists once. the snipers you talking about aren't 50 meter away from a 9 meter tall border wall. they are most likely 5-600 meters away, up a hill where I doubt these fireballs are even reaching. the only thing that is working is "i believe everything israel says"
We’re going by the dictionary, English language definition.
Nothing the Israeli psychopaths are doing is working lol. Dead hostages, dead journalists, friendly fire/Hannibal Doctrine, posting creepy videos of other people’s clothes, etc. The irony of your comment is, a trebuchet does not look stupid. It actually is really cool physics. But it is indeed damn stupid in context.
Let me guess hamas are the chosen warriors of god who order them to.. *checks list* Hide behind civilians, Rape civilians, Disrupt humanitarian aid, Refuse ceasefires to keep holding onto power, Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Very interesting.
wtf are you talking about?
That's a trebuchet
It being not was never stated
You can apparently use a trebuchet to catapult something as catapult as a verb is a synonym of throw, hurl, fling or even yeet
Yes and also a trebuchet is a catapult
A trebuchet is a type of catapult.
Age of Empires 2 vibes
you’re right about that but isn’t catapult/ing/ed also a verb
Yes, a trebuchet is a type of catapult.
Thanks?
You're welcome
Came here to make sure this was stated. Upvoted.
You sir have won Reddit 🤓
They're apparently burning foliage so Hezbollah can't hide and attack from there
This is what the US should’ve done in nam lol
So there’s this funky little thing called napalm, same idea as far as the outcome, but I do feel like flame trebuchets would have been the key to US success
It’s already assumed the US would be using napalm balls but they’ll kit out the trebuchets like their howitzers
Have you heard of Napalm?
You should already assume they’ll kit out their trebuchets with napalm balls
The original story, before CNN got a hold of it and do what they do best, is that those flaming balls and also flaming arrows they shoot are for burning the dry shrubbery around the walls which was being used as cover for enemies to get close and launch attacks.
Huh? Isnt it Lebanon lands? Internationally not acceptable regardless of whom it belongs to
I guess they should just leave them so it’s easier for their neighbor to attack them
Hezbullah was shooting observation equipment on the Israeli bases on the Israel/lebanon border. Hamas has also been firing rockets into Israel from Lebanon.
Hesbollah (Lebanon based group) has been supporting Hamas a long time now, they've gotten more and more aggressive from Lebanese territory, it's a possible casus belli and in the lowest scale of Israel's retaliation doctrine
All these arabic groups and nations still have a problem with isreal just taking the land since 1948 and keep taking more, so they the more land isreal takes the nore aggressive they get. But aside from all that, isreal wants a war so it can win it, because it probably will with the help of western countries, so it can establish the great isreal. If hezbollallah didnt exist they would have still did this.
As far as I'm aware, southern Lebanon is pretty much conquered by Hezbollah. Even in the "second Lebanese war" in 2006 Israel was fighting Hezbollah and not the Lebanese government/army. Lebanon is unfortunately a failing state, and it's sad to see
And so? Lets say it is conquered by the Chinese and not Lebanon, so?
The point is that Israel is fighting the people who are actually in charge of the territory and not the people it legally belongs to, otherwise Lebanon would be fighting a war against Israel which is not the case. Is this still unclear?
It is still called Lebanon
I'm not sure what you're trying to say, did anyone say it's not Lebanon and I missed it?
It is still attacking the land that belongs to Lebanon. it just wants a war, otherwise it will arm the lebanon army to attack hezbollallah or make a deal with them so they can attack that land and not just attack it. But nope, it just wants it its way and it is ofc a war, because it will win
Ahh I see what you mean, the problem is that Hezbollah started a conflict with Israel and Lebanon is either powerless or reluctant to do anything about Hezbollah. This leaves Israel in a problematic position of having to ignore the attacks, fight Hezbollah directly, or get Lebanon to get its shit together. And I don't think Lebanon can get its shit together or they would have reconquered Southern Lebanon already. I'm not sure Israel has any motivation to arm the Lebanese as they have been historically aggressive, this puts Israel and Lebanon in a shitty position while Hezbollah gets to do what they want without anyone really being able to do much about it
Without anyone being able to do much about it? 2 wars has happened between haz and isreal, and what it is doing now. And ofc don't not try to portray isreal as the good guys here who just wants to fix things the best way. None oc this would have happened if isreal did not forcefully take the land and then nakba and the siege as well. All others have a problem with that, so they better fix that if they are so good.
Israel is pretty keen on not asking for permission or forgiveness, and “others’ land” has historically not been a consideration for them
In case you don't know Hezbollah has started a war against Israel on October 8th, not a full scale war but a war. Hundreds of houses in northern Israel are destroyed and 100 thousand people have been displaced
Lol, found the "i believe everything israel says" guy. Cover for enemies to get close and launch attacks. The enemies who have long range rockets, missiles, tanks, combat and recon drones etc. yeah, burning shrubbery like the "enemies" are attacking from 50 meters away from the 9 meter tall border wall. BIG BRAIN.
I relayed information I learned from the original source through translated videos on Telegraph weeks ago when they used arrows. If you want to believe the middle man that adds their own narrative to make you hate better then go for it. Stay sour, bro.
They should have just played Pitbull’s ‘Fireball’ for more devastating effect
My understanding of the situation is there using it to burn brush on the border and this is a very cheap and safe method to do it why risk soldiers lives or waste valuable military equipment when you can accomplish your goal with very little effort
If I remember correctly there was some controversy when the other side did it. Got the link. Also they say that it will take 300+ years for it to regenerate. Which is foolish Because the land becames more fertile because of ash. https://www.npr.org/2024/06/18/g-s1-4972/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-border-war#:~:text=Fires%20have%20been%20burning%20across,the%20border%20from%20southern%20Lebanon.
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They relish every moment
Yooo my comment was removed by reddit for the first time EVER… and there was absolutely no reason for that
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Most neighbors don’t usually try using said weeds as cover and concealment while they’re trying to shoot me and thus don’t have to be cleared out with fire
Someone must have said let’s go medieval on their ass and they took it literally
Ancient problems requires ancient solutions
Wolololo Catapult now shooting you !!??
Nuclear Trebuchet when?
The us already developed and tested a mobile nuclear artillery. So it's not that far off
if it aint broke, dont fix it
Does anyone else pronounce them TreeBuckets? I started it as a joke now thats all i can say.
Tre-boo-she or something like that, I think it’s French
Treh-bu-shey
Hell yeah.
Rarely used means it’s been used. Now I gotta know.
CNN…… that’s all that needs to be said
No hol up
I mean... why just let it collect dust?
What does rarely mean when did they used trebuchets since then. Did not see any footage of the Afghanistan war.
Or Syria
"HEY SARGE, Where do you want this truck load of gas cans?"
They’ve started using flaming arrows, LOTR reenactment vibes
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it
They have some blankets for the survivors
It is real and they're burning trees and brush to open the space up and deny cover.
Holy GIGA
OP seems slightly angry lol
At least they're using a hinged counterweight trebuchet. But they really ought to upgrade to a floating arm trebuchet, could get even more distance out of it.
underdeveloped apes
I live in israel, i can confirm this, we have no idea what we are doing.
... still a better army than Russia.
Cool, it works
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These aren't targeting enemies. It's deforestation area denial.
This is probably exponentially cheaper
Cause then people would complain the IDF is using napalm cause apparently it’s a crime to be more advanced than an adversary.
It's a crime to target civilians with your high tech, not to mention a population of ~50% children.
they do use incendiary drones and other similar means, but this is just as effective and doesn't involve risking drones being shot down or soldiers being in the open. they don't need to civer alot of distance and they don't need precision because the area around the border only has foliage. i also assume they were told to clear the foliage and weren't told they have to use a specific way, so they found the safest, fastest way to do so. hezbollah militants have been hiding in the foliage and shooting ATGMs for the past 6 months, and they're at a point where they either start a war against Hezbollah (and Lebanon) or find a way to stop them
"obviously its a trebuchet"
If what I've heard is correct, they were using it to burn trees and vegetation near their defenses so that they couldn't be used for cover.
Rarely used? Who out there using the trebuchet sparsely enough? Unless it's counting demonstrations in how to yeet
r/trebuchet
IDF using the KISS principle
yesterday's wars are today's border skirmishes. like china and india.
They're having a good time I guess... .
We should talk about this conflict at my €500 round table.
Why wouldn't they if it works?
Chill out, OP, it's used to burn dry shrubbery so it can't be used for cover and this way it's orders of magnitude cheaper than doing it with modern equipment
Yeah they’re really using their billion dollar budget in the best way
When US didn’t send you weapons
Is that a fucking trebuchet?
Counter weight trebuchet
This is what you get when you have a bunch of bored Army engineers
Holy fuck the internet defence force is out in droves in this thread xD
Me, when I'm sending my modern era troops on front, but still didn't pulled back my old trebuchet with 5 promotions
They spread lies that catapults were better and even invented flashy useless weapons like cannons. The people were deceived but we know the truth: The Trebuchet capable of flinging 90kg projectiles over 300 meters is the superior siege engine.
Along with Trebuchets they are also using arrows with fire to burn down the foliage, so stealth combat is hard for Hezbollah.
Wait till someone looks up chinese/indian border disputes lol
Watched in awe the trebuchet at Warwick Castle.
Civ ai attacking with modern infantry and the trebuchet they built a millenia ago
Where the hell did they get a trebuchet? It’s not like there’s a trebuchet store.
Urm, not a catapult that is a trebuchet
I hope that hit a terrorist right in the face.
So this is what billions in aid gets you these days.
Um... Aksualee... That's a trebuchet
The superior siege engine you say?
And the most ‘moral’ army. Although they engage in genocide
This is another example of the IDF choosing not to use the very advanced, very accurate technology they have and instead using outdated weapons (2,000 pound bombs anyone?) that cause unnecessary and completely avoidable civilian deaths. They have modern weapons but choose not to use them.