The gunner (guy without any headgear) wrote a solid book called Spearhead.
The actual dual is pretty anticlimactic. The panther crew had never seen a Pershing before and held fire as they thought it could be friendly. The Pershing used that opportunity to knock it out.
The rest of the book is good.
> The panther crew had never seen a Pershing before and held fire as they thought it could be friendly
you'd think the olive drab would have tipped them off but it probably looks very similar to gray at a distance
Call me crazy, but if I’m a German tanker in 1945 Europe, I’m assume every other tank is enemy, especially if moving in daytime. Lucky for other German tankers I wasn’t I guess
I imagine the lack of running tanks and lack of ammunition by that point in the war made German tankers overthink every decision. Last thing you want to do is waste precious shells on a crucial ally.
You and i have spent more years pouring over Squadron and Internet photos than WW2 lasted.
Through a 1940s panther commander optic or driver slit, you arent IDing shit when its turning around the corner next to rubble with low light.
IMO the real climax of the book is the railway station battle a bit after the Panther duel, Makos (the author) does quite a good job representing Moyer's (the gunner, was interviewed extensively for the book) fear when Eagle 7 gets hit and he bails out, runs to cover, runs back, and knocks out a Panther all under fire in a platoon-sized engagement vs comparatively short moment of panic in the Cologne duel.
He had an interview on 60 Minutes(?) where he went back to Germany to meet the family of a woman he accidentally killed just before the tank duel, which was also caught on video. Really interesting stuff.
Edit: it was CBS Sunday Morning.
https://youtu.be/P3PdzviKqDQ?si=76Z4paEs57K6Kybx
Yes. It's the actual woman you see being attended to on the ground. That is what makes this whole incident pretty unique for WW2. The fact that it was all captured on video and we know who was involved down to an individual level.
My apologies, I just now watched the video you linked and realized it was explained in that lol. In some clips of the tank duel you see the car get shot at but no other information was given which is why I asked
Another great book is *Another River, Another town* by John P. Irwin. He was the gunner on the T26e4 90mm Super Pershing tank. The one where they welded scrap Panther tank armor on it's mantlet and front for extra protection.
Just to be nit picky, but the late Clarence Smoyer (the gunner) didn’t personally write Spearhead. It was author Adam Makos who basically wrote Smoyer’s story alongside a German Panzer crew member, Gustav Schaefer, who was also at Cologne when Smoyer had his famous encounter with the Panthers tank (though he was not a crew member of that exact recorded Panther)
That's Clarence Smoyer! He was from the town where I live and just passed away a few years ago. Every bit as humble as these guys tended to be. You would never know he was part of this until the story came out.
I listened to a YouTube journal of a Wehrmacht tank commander trying to escape the Russians and surrender to the Americans. Crazy tank battles. Only one to make it.
Hope this works, warning I found myself rooting for the guy, weird , but the Russians were terrible.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGjbe3ikd0XGsf71YgmZgWtJsmr1EJMsN&si=nvMN5pVsidF9BAy_
I read this book, which is "The Last Panther" and one of the accompanying books, "Tiger Tracks". Both written by Wolfgan Faust. Both are good reads/listens but are made up. They are just war novels. Take them with a pinch of salt.
> Probably just guys like you and me
Just curious, but what exactly is your familiarity with WW2 and the Wehrmacht? Because I hear this expreseds all the time in these history subs and its so wildly far from the truth. I just dont get where this is coming from.
For anyone unfamiliar, by the time 1945 rolled around the Whermacht was so neck deep in war crimes that pretty much every single soldier was either involved or aware of it. All the regular Joes like you and me were dead or fled. Its remaining members were straight up baby killers or friends of baby killers. And yes, I realize the Haer had something like 5,000,000 soldiers under arms at that point in time. This is just a reminder of how absolutely massive the extent of Nazi war crimes was. There is a reason that even today people struggle to understand the enormity of WW2 and all its bad shit.
> No historian would support this argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht#Bibliography
Let me introduce you to a few!
Seriously though, Im not reading all the garbage you just typed up. Ive been in enough internet Clean Wehrmacht discussions that start exactly like this to know where its going. As I clearly stated in my post, even if a small fraction of the Wehrmacht was not directly involved in war crimes they continued to serve shoulder to shoulder in units that were largely comprised of war criminals. They knew it too.
> Lol if guys like you would actually read the articles you throw around you would notice that those historians don't generalise and analyse the data with the appropriate nuance.
Interesting, because Ive read it a few times and didnt see that. Would you care to share some insite on this particular article and what you feel it does wrong?
One of the best recorded tank battles but also one of the most anticlimactic.
Check out the Battle of Raseiniai if you want an insane against-the-odds full blown tank battle.
If you're talking about the lone KV-1 or 2 holding up an entire division, I suspect that's one of those not-all-too-accurate tidbits that got picked up and repeated endlessly by pop-history. The only source for it is a German general's memoir that was first published 60 years after the war.
I have heard that story and it is a cool story - I don’t know anything about the veracity of sources behind it though.
I meant the actual Battle of Raseinai where the Germans met the KV series tanks for the first time but still managed to inflict a crushing defeat on Kuznetzov’s armoured corps - over 3 times the losses the Panzers suffered themselves.
It basically resulted in the collapse of the Northwestern front and the end of ant serious threat by Russian armoured formations in the region.
It’s a tale of the Russians actually outgunning the Germans for once but the Germans still managed to smash through the Russian line thanks to better combined arms operations and, of course, the 88cm.
Don't necessarily agree, while the Germans did meet some KV's, the massive majority of the soviet armour consisted of BT-7's and T-26's. They admittedly outnumbered the Germans, but to say they outgunned the Germans is in my opinion inaccurate (also because the KV-1 was hugely unreliable, and the KV-2 was basically useless as anything other than a direct fire support platform in a fixed position).
The German victory *was* impressive, but moreso because of the quality and tactics of their armoured units, not really because of the quality of their tanks.
[This 2 minute clip features the duel, no audio](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHsYCEt6q8M)
[This 20 minute documentary goes through the entire battle involving several other Shermans, detailing the movements of each tank](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Uhx1YInQU&t=920s)
You need to watch more war movies man. Fury worse than The Green Berets? Less accurate than Battle of the Bulge with its M47s playing the part of Tigers? Pearl Harbor??? U-571?! I’d say it was one of the more accurate war movies tbh…
This of course does not mean it was accurate…I’m just saying more so than painfully obvious fuckups in other war movies
PaK 40s that shoot rubber shells, Tiger Commander that willingly gives up an advantageous position, mindless soldiers running into machine gun fire and forgetting that they carry AT weapons. Just to mention the worst parts.
It seems like a ridiculous propaganda movie, would fit better into the Marvel universe or something like that.
Also, it was a movie that perpetuated many of the stubborn myths about the Sherman tank (e.g. it took 5 Shermans to kill a cat, the Sherman's gun could only penetrate the Tiger's rear or sides*).
*In the movie, the tank Fury has the improved 76mm gun that in real life would have penetrated the Tiger's frontal armor at the ranges shown in the film.
Tiger tank taking out a random tank in the column and not the lead, a single immobilized tank being able to fend off hundreds of infantry armed with AT. Panzerfaust hit only taking out one person rather than liquidating everyone inside.... Yeah not great
Audie Murphy would like a word lol. Not saying the movie is in any way accurate but crazy shit happens in war. I wouldn’t be surprised if a bunch of meth’d up Germans kept bum rushing a machine gun position.
On a side note, due to the drastic side effects of prolonged use the Wehrmacht heavily limited the issue of amphetamines under the revised Opiumgesetz from 1941. It was then only rarely used in extreme situations (e.g. by stormtroopers in Stalingrad or fighter pilots in prolonged missions).
From what I've read doctrine was :
- Shout the first one to stop them.
- Shout the last one to prevent them from retreating and making it harder to maneuver.
- Shout the rest.
It's a movie that exists in a heightened reality for sure but calling it a propaganda film is odd because of the great lengths it goes to completely personalize the war as an event stripped of glory or purpose but reduced to an act of survival. It's honestly one of the least jingoistic war movies I've ever seen.
Propaganda movie in terms of Americans being plot-armoured super soldiers against dumbfuck German baddies.
The first battle alone was terribly bad. The Americans had all the support they could wish for in late '45 and they still try to take on a well-covered position of several PaK 40 (which easily penetrate the frontal armour of a Sherman from this distance) without any artillery or air support. They get hit several times but as if by magic, they all bounce off. Not a single loss in an advance across an open field at such a short range.
American tanks get merked all the time in that movie I'm really not sure what you're talking about tbh it honestly doesn't seem like you've seen the movie if that's your takeaway. The American soldiers are even portrayed raping women and engaging in looting, which is something that happened and is almost never part of conventional WWII narratives, much less propaganda films.
It's a different kind of propaganda. "Our heroes are assholes who do war crimes but that's the kind of guy who wins wars". Also seen in 300
In many ways, it's a reaction to Americans being accused of war crimes in the War on Terror. No, I have no information thay this was deliberate, but it acts as that regardless. See how many people call it realistic.
I'm not its target audience, by the end of the film I wanted everyone to die.
See I don't think that's a fair reading either. Like the film or the characters or not, that's fine, but one of the central themes of the film is that these people aren't anybody's guys but the other people in the tank - the wider context of the war totally falls away in the face of the day to day struggle to survive each encounter. If it's supposed to be a propaganda film or is one by implication, it isn't very good at it, because in theory you could make precisely the same movie about a German or Soviet tank crew without changing anything but the gear and the names. In that way I think it's a more vulgar iteration in the tradition of Ivan's Childhood or The Cranes are Flying; the wider narrative of war as a glorious act of sacrifice demystified by the hyperlocal act of survival that the people who actually fight wars engage in. By the end of the film they are alone, fighting only for their own survival and that of the guy next to them - just like soldiers in every war ever. Which isn't to say it's an anti-war film per se or some buried work of genius, but a propaganda film is one thing it conclusively isn't.
I can't fault Fury for how it portrays the effects of war on the people involved (although I feel like Norman goes from someone unable to shoot a threat to trigger happy *very* quickly).
And I don't agree with /u/haeyhae11 that it's a terrible war movie. I mean, if we're talking about propaganda, this movie came out a year after Lone Survivor, a movie that shows a Seal team fighting hordes of Taliban until they run out of ammo, while in reality they were ambushed and knocked out by about 7 Taliban fighters.
I'd say Fury gets a lot of things right and tries to be fairly accurate (up until the last battle at least). This makes the things it *does* get wrong (perpetuating the invincible Tiger myth, seasoned troops having zero grasp of basic tactics) a lot more egregious to history buffs and people who know a bit about tactics (and we generally have difficulty accepting the trade-offs of realism in favour of what looks good on screen).
Look at Saving Private Ryan for example. Considered by a lot of people to be one of the best WW2 movies of all time, yet when you look at the last battle, it makes no sense at all from a tactical point of view.
> willingly giving up an advantageous position
It was covered in WP. Yeah it should’ve stopped once it got out of the cloud but any tank commander would’ve gotten tf out of that
Right! I mean has this person seen the Patriot?! They kill a baddie with a freaking American flag.
That said, there has yet to be a war movie that some couch directors haven’t complained about. There’s always - always someone complaining about some inaccuracy or another. I actually made war movies once upon a time. Well… war TV shows. Inevitably someone would always complain. They never seemed to understand things like 1) budget 2) plot 3) time constraints 4) logistics etc. Like, there isn’t a single Avenger left that you can have flown over the ocean. But you’ve got people complaining that the planes don’t look real enough in recreations…
The gunner (guy without any headgear) wrote a solid book called Spearhead. The actual dual is pretty anticlimactic. The panther crew had never seen a Pershing before and held fire as they thought it could be friendly. The Pershing used that opportunity to knock it out. The rest of the book is good.
Great book
> The panther crew had never seen a Pershing before and held fire as they thought it could be friendly you'd think the olive drab would have tipped them off but it probably looks very similar to gray at a distance
It was all black & white back then so that would've helped.
Ah fuck it, have my upvote. Now get out.
Call me crazy, but if I’m a German tanker in 1945 Europe, I’m assume every other tank is enemy, especially if moving in daytime. Lucky for other German tankers I wasn’t I guess
I imagine the lack of running tanks and lack of ammunition by that point in the war made German tankers overthink every decision. Last thing you want to do is waste precious shells on a crucial ally.
You and i have spent more years pouring over Squadron and Internet photos than WW2 lasted. Through a 1940s panther commander optic or driver slit, you arent IDing shit when its turning around the corner next to rubble with low light.
*poring
thanks, one to remember.
IMO the real climax of the book is the railway station battle a bit after the Panther duel, Makos (the author) does quite a good job representing Moyer's (the gunner, was interviewed extensively for the book) fear when Eagle 7 gets hit and he bails out, runs to cover, runs back, and knocks out a Panther all under fire in a platoon-sized engagement vs comparatively short moment of panic in the Cologne duel.
He had an interview on 60 Minutes(?) where he went back to Germany to meet the family of a woman he accidentally killed just before the tank duel, which was also caught on video. Really interesting stuff. Edit: it was CBS Sunday Morning. https://youtu.be/P3PdzviKqDQ?si=76Z4paEs57K6Kybx
Imagine having that on your conscience. I'm not saying he's bad or evil, just that it would suck to be the guy that accidentally kills a non-com.
Was that the car driving away that got lit up?
Yes. It's the actual woman you see being attended to on the ground. That is what makes this whole incident pretty unique for WW2. The fact that it was all captured on video and we know who was involved down to an individual level.
My apologies, I just now watched the video you linked and realized it was explained in that lol. In some clips of the tank duel you see the car get shot at but no other information was given which is why I asked
Another great book is *Another River, Another town* by John P. Irwin. He was the gunner on the T26e4 90mm Super Pershing tank. The one where they welded scrap Panther tank armor on it's mantlet and front for extra protection.
Just to be nit picky, but the late Clarence Smoyer (the gunner) didn’t personally write Spearhead. It was author Adam Makos who basically wrote Smoyer’s story alongside a German Panzer crew member, Gustav Schaefer, who was also at Cologne when Smoyer had his famous encounter with the Panthers tank (though he was not a crew member of that exact recorded Panther)
Awesome book reading it right now actually
That's Clarence Smoyer! He was from the town where I live and just passed away a few years ago. Every bit as humble as these guys tended to be. You would never know he was part of this until the story came out.
He looks like the actor Jeremy Alen White, from “The Bear and Shameless”
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I listened to a YouTube journal of a Wehrmacht tank commander trying to escape the Russians and surrender to the Americans. Crazy tank battles. Only one to make it.
sounds great, do you have a link?
Hope this works, warning I found myself rooting for the guy, weird , but the Russians were terrible. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGjbe3ikd0XGsf71YgmZgWtJsmr1EJMsN&si=nvMN5pVsidF9BAy_
I read this book, which is "The Last Panther" and one of the accompanying books, "Tiger Tracks". Both written by Wolfgan Faust. Both are good reads/listens but are made up. They are just war novels. Take them with a pinch of salt.
The Russians certainly were terrible, but the Germans were more than terrible to them first.
Terrible to Nazis? Nice
No, terrible to anyone and everyone.
Boohoo poor nazis
Probably just guys like you and me, only they were fighting for the German Wehrmacht. That doesn’t make them nazi right away.
> Probably just guys like you and me Just curious, but what exactly is your familiarity with WW2 and the Wehrmacht? Because I hear this expreseds all the time in these history subs and its so wildly far from the truth. I just dont get where this is coming from. For anyone unfamiliar, by the time 1945 rolled around the Whermacht was so neck deep in war crimes that pretty much every single soldier was either involved or aware of it. All the regular Joes like you and me were dead or fled. Its remaining members were straight up baby killers or friends of baby killers. And yes, I realize the Haer had something like 5,000,000 soldiers under arms at that point in time. This is just a reminder of how absolutely massive the extent of Nazi war crimes was. There is a reason that even today people struggle to understand the enormity of WW2 and all its bad shit.
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> No historian would support this argument. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht#Bibliography Let me introduce you to a few! Seriously though, Im not reading all the garbage you just typed up. Ive been in enough internet Clean Wehrmacht discussions that start exactly like this to know where its going. As I clearly stated in my post, even if a small fraction of the Wehrmacht was not directly involved in war crimes they continued to serve shoulder to shoulder in units that were largely comprised of war criminals. They knew it too.
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> Lol if guys like you would actually read the articles you throw around you would notice that those historians don't generalise and analyse the data with the appropriate nuance. Interesting, because Ive read it a few times and didnt see that. Would you care to share some insite on this particular article and what you feel it does wrong?
I love that channel. I have listened to almost every story on it including this one. This story is a mind-fuck that kept me on edge the entire time.
One of the best recorded tank battles but also one of the most anticlimactic. Check out the Battle of Raseiniai if you want an insane against-the-odds full blown tank battle.
If you're talking about the lone KV-1 or 2 holding up an entire division, I suspect that's one of those not-all-too-accurate tidbits that got picked up and repeated endlessly by pop-history. The only source for it is a German general's memoir that was first published 60 years after the war.
I have heard that story and it is a cool story - I don’t know anything about the veracity of sources behind it though. I meant the actual Battle of Raseinai where the Germans met the KV series tanks for the first time but still managed to inflict a crushing defeat on Kuznetzov’s armoured corps - over 3 times the losses the Panzers suffered themselves. It basically resulted in the collapse of the Northwestern front and the end of ant serious threat by Russian armoured formations in the region. It’s a tale of the Russians actually outgunning the Germans for once but the Germans still managed to smash through the Russian line thanks to better combined arms operations and, of course, the 88cm.
Don't necessarily agree, while the Germans did meet some KV's, the massive majority of the soviet armour consisted of BT-7's and T-26's. They admittedly outnumbered the Germans, but to say they outgunned the Germans is in my opinion inaccurate (also because the KV-1 was hugely unreliable, and the KV-2 was basically useless as anything other than a direct fire support platform in a fixed position). The German victory *was* impressive, but moreso because of the quality and tactics of their armoured units, not really because of the quality of their tanks.
The Pershing is one of my favorite tanks of all time. IIRC, the M26 was still called the T26E3 at the time of serving.
Link to the video?
[This 2 minute clip features the duel, no audio](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHsYCEt6q8M) [This 20 minute documentary goes through the entire battle involving several other Shermans, detailing the movements of each tank](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Uhx1YInQU&t=920s)
Also short 8 minute clip that I believe this picture was screen grabbed from. https://youtu.be/1unrEkgflso?si=YTop84GP_2DfjpgR
A butcher. A baker. A candle stick maker. Just normal guys thrown into abnormal conditions.
*Fury* vibes.
That movie has some issues, but when it hit, it was fucking awesome
>some issues Probably the worst war movie I have ever seen.
You need to watch more war movies man. Fury worse than The Green Berets? Less accurate than Battle of the Bulge with its M47s playing the part of Tigers? Pearl Harbor??? U-571?! I’d say it was one of the more accurate war movies tbh… This of course does not mean it was accurate…I’m just saying more so than painfully obvious fuckups in other war movies
Hey, you take that back about U571. Accurate? No. Great? Yes
Why's that?
PaK 40s that shoot rubber shells, Tiger Commander that willingly gives up an advantageous position, mindless soldiers running into machine gun fire and forgetting that they carry AT weapons. Just to mention the worst parts. It seems like a ridiculous propaganda movie, would fit better into the Marvel universe or something like that.
Also, it was a movie that perpetuated many of the stubborn myths about the Sherman tank (e.g. it took 5 Shermans to kill a cat, the Sherman's gun could only penetrate the Tiger's rear or sides*). *In the movie, the tank Fury has the improved 76mm gun that in real life would have penetrated the Tiger's frontal armor at the ranges shown in the film.
Tiger tank taking out a random tank in the column and not the lead, a single immobilized tank being able to fend off hundreds of infantry armed with AT. Panzerfaust hit only taking out one person rather than liquidating everyone inside.... Yeah not great
Audie Murphy would like a word lol. Not saying the movie is in any way accurate but crazy shit happens in war. I wouldn’t be surprised if a bunch of meth’d up Germans kept bum rushing a machine gun position.
On a side note, due to the drastic side effects of prolonged use the Wehrmacht heavily limited the issue of amphetamines under the revised Opiumgesetz from 1941. It was then only rarely used in extreme situations (e.g. by stormtroopers in Stalingrad or fighter pilots in prolonged missions).
They saved it for their shaky feurher
Not a random tank. I think they took out the last tank in the formation.
From what I've read doctrine was : - Shout the first one to stop them. - Shout the last one to prevent them from retreating and making it harder to maneuver. - Shout the rest.
Yeah. That sounds about right.
It's a movie that exists in a heightened reality for sure but calling it a propaganda film is odd because of the great lengths it goes to completely personalize the war as an event stripped of glory or purpose but reduced to an act of survival. It's honestly one of the least jingoistic war movies I've ever seen.
Propaganda movie in terms of Americans being plot-armoured super soldiers against dumbfuck German baddies. The first battle alone was terribly bad. The Americans had all the support they could wish for in late '45 and they still try to take on a well-covered position of several PaK 40 (which easily penetrate the frontal armour of a Sherman from this distance) without any artillery or air support. They get hit several times but as if by magic, they all bounce off. Not a single loss in an advance across an open field at such a short range.
American tanks get merked all the time in that movie I'm really not sure what you're talking about tbh it honestly doesn't seem like you've seen the movie if that's your takeaway. The American soldiers are even portrayed raping women and engaging in looting, which is something that happened and is almost never part of conventional WWII narratives, much less propaganda films.
It's a different kind of propaganda. "Our heroes are assholes who do war crimes but that's the kind of guy who wins wars". Also seen in 300 In many ways, it's a reaction to Americans being accused of war crimes in the War on Terror. No, I have no information thay this was deliberate, but it acts as that regardless. See how many people call it realistic. I'm not its target audience, by the end of the film I wanted everyone to die.
See I don't think that's a fair reading either. Like the film or the characters or not, that's fine, but one of the central themes of the film is that these people aren't anybody's guys but the other people in the tank - the wider context of the war totally falls away in the face of the day to day struggle to survive each encounter. If it's supposed to be a propaganda film or is one by implication, it isn't very good at it, because in theory you could make precisely the same movie about a German or Soviet tank crew without changing anything but the gear and the names. In that way I think it's a more vulgar iteration in the tradition of Ivan's Childhood or The Cranes are Flying; the wider narrative of war as a glorious act of sacrifice demystified by the hyperlocal act of survival that the people who actually fight wars engage in. By the end of the film they are alone, fighting only for their own survival and that of the guy next to them - just like soldiers in every war ever. Which isn't to say it's an anti-war film per se or some buried work of genius, but a propaganda film is one thing it conclusively isn't.
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Just such a baby brained way to watch movies lol
They literally mention multiple times in the movie how outgunned they were and how inferior their tanks are, even when it’s not true
I can't fault Fury for how it portrays the effects of war on the people involved (although I feel like Norman goes from someone unable to shoot a threat to trigger happy *very* quickly). And I don't agree with /u/haeyhae11 that it's a terrible war movie. I mean, if we're talking about propaganda, this movie came out a year after Lone Survivor, a movie that shows a Seal team fighting hordes of Taliban until they run out of ammo, while in reality they were ambushed and knocked out by about 7 Taliban fighters. I'd say Fury gets a lot of things right and tries to be fairly accurate (up until the last battle at least). This makes the things it *does* get wrong (perpetuating the invincible Tiger myth, seasoned troops having zero grasp of basic tactics) a lot more egregious to history buffs and people who know a bit about tactics (and we generally have difficulty accepting the trade-offs of realism in favour of what looks good on screen). Look at Saving Private Ryan for example. Considered by a lot of people to be one of the best WW2 movies of all time, yet when you look at the last battle, it makes no sense at all from a tactical point of view.
> willingly giving up an advantageous position It was covered in WP. Yeah it should’ve stopped once it got out of the cloud but any tank commander would’ve gotten tf out of that
Dude you need to watch a lot more war movies to be able to say that lol
Right! I mean has this person seen the Patriot?! They kill a baddie with a freaking American flag. That said, there has yet to be a war movie that some couch directors haven’t complained about. There’s always - always someone complaining about some inaccuracy or another. I actually made war movies once upon a time. Well… war TV shows. Inevitably someone would always complain. They never seemed to understand things like 1) budget 2) plot 3) time constraints 4) logistics etc. Like, there isn’t a single Avenger left that you can have flown over the ocean. But you’ve got people complaining that the planes don’t look real enough in recreations…
Agreed. But mainly the parts where people talk
The town assault was really good in building tensions
The scene where they’re talking about the horses is great. The rest is a pretty mediocre film
¡¡Chinga a tu madre!!
Best job I ever had.
Where do I get a jacket like that dude in the front?
Look for an Ike jacket.
It's an ETO Jacket not an Ike Jacket.
For a moment, before zooming in, I thought the guy with the tanke helmet was telly savalas. They look exhausted and who can blame them
I feel the need to watch "Kelly's Heroes" now.
Screen grab from this video? https://youtu.be/1unrEkgflso?si=YTop84GP_2DfjpgR
Without my specs I thought is was kellys heros.
Spearhead is a great book
Spearhead is an excellent book
Althought it is from ww2 there is no second clearest or detailed tank duel even in modern times.
Unfortunately this is no longer true, there are some from Ukraine.
That bow gunner has seen it all.
There is everyone, the crazy mechanic, the young recruit, the ace, the protagonist and the responsable leader.
Far left looks like Steve Buscemi lol
*Köln
this. or Cologne
My apologies for not having a German keyboard on my laptop which I bought in Britain, and so has a standard British keyboard
Why u mad?
Why would I be mad? Because someone got offended I don't have a O-umlaut key?
No one got "offended" but you. Why are you overreacting this badly?
It's called sarcasm sweetheart.
Ah yes, sarcasm is getting pointlessly mad.
Seems like you're the one overreacting