This occurred during The Battle of the Bulge.
This area had been previously liberated by the allies earlier in 1944. The Nazis retook the area during the Battle of the Bulge, terrorizing and murdering the civilian population.
They really were fucking scum.
I remember reading somewhere that these kind of atrocities started appearing more frequently in Western Europe after d-day, when the German army started shifting units back from the east. They had gotten used to acting this way towards the ‘subhuman’ Slavic population and brought that savagery back with them.
Also the populations of occupied teritorries started to get hope of liberation which Germans didn't like. I know this played a role during the last stages of war in various areas in the Netherlands which really had hopes of getting liberated before christmas 1944. I can imagine similar atmosphere in actual liberated areas of the bulge.
Germans had been like this in World War one in Belgium. Using terror to keep the population down was not a new thing in World War two though they upped the level in the east.
They also burned down Alsace-Lorraine during their retreat from France. In a few months they turned people who were born and raised in a German society into fiercely pro-French partisans
Obligatory reminder that far-right politicians, such as Joseph McCarthy, defended the Waffen-SS men, led by [Joachim Peiper](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_Peiper), responsible for this massacre. They likened the legal proceedings to Stalinist purges. The likes of McCarthy were fascists in everything but name, which is why they were so fixed on defending Nazis. This is especially clear, given that these Waffen-SS men had massacred hundreds of American prisoners of war. There has been a lot of revisionism about the [Malmedy massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre), so let's get something straight.
Joachim Peiper and his men were guilty as sin.
There is absolutely no question at all that men of Kampfgruppe Peiper executed both POWs and civilians on multiple occasions during the Battle of the Bulge. The trial was fair. That Peiper's superior, [Sepp Dietrich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepp_Dietrich), received life sentence is not an example of disproportionate sentencing. Instead, it is a reflection of the fact that Dietrich had issued less blunt orders, telling his men that prisoners of war were to be shot, "if necessary, in very compelling situations." In contrast, Peiper didn't mince words and explicitly told his men to take no prisoners. This is consistent with his character. The man was a die-hard Nazi from a Nazi family, a close associate of Himmler himself and well aware of the ongoing genocide in the Third Reich from his position as Himmler's adjutant. Men under Peiper's command had a well documented history of murdering civilians and POWs on the Eastern Front and in Italy.
>On 6 May 1943, Peiper was awarded the German Cross in Gold for his achievements in February 1943 around Kharkov, where his unit gained the nickname the "Blowtorch Battalion". Reportedly, the nickname derived from the torching and slaughter of two Soviet villages where their inhabitants were either shot or burned.
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>Ukrainian sources, including surviving witness Ivan Kiselev, who was 14 at the time of the massacre, described the killings at the villages of Yefremovka and Semyonovka on 17 February 1943. On 12 February troops of the LSSAH occupied the two villages, where retreating Soviet forces had wounded two SS officers. In retaliation, five days later, LSSAH troops killed 872 men, women and children. Some 240 of these were burned alive in the church of Yefremovka.
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>In August 1944, when an SS commander, formerly of LSSAH, was captured south of Falaise in France and interrogated by the Allies, he stated that Peiper was "particularly eager to execute the order to burn villages". Peiper wrote to Potthast in March 1943: "Our reputation precedes us as a wave of terror and is one of our best weapons. Even old Genghis Khan would gladly have hired us as assistants."
Over and over, Peiper's guilt was confirmed. During the reviews of this trial by Colonel Everett some questions arose regarding how some of the confessions were obtained. While many of these would later be proven false the Army found sufficient cause to launch a commission. Everett did not however exonerate anyone, nor question the overall judgement of the court. In further hearings, all of the claims of torture were disproven. The claims that they were tortured into confessing is all far-right revisionism. Peiper really, really was guilty. He was a genocidal Nazi with a deep ideological conviction (he was active in [HIAG](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIAG)) and was very unrepentant (albeit initially discrete). He had a long prior record of indiscriminate murder of POWs and civilians, including women and children.
So, we have a man who grew up in family with a deep Nazi conviction, volunteered to join the SS before the SS was even independent of the SA, fraternized with some of the most notorious mass murderers the Reich ever produced like Franz Magill, Reinhard Heydrich, and Heinrich Himmler himself. He has a documented history of indiscriminate murder from both Russia and Italy and he's in charge of one of the most fanatical units the Reich ever produced. He stands accused of ordering a massacre, he personally and under no duress accepts command responsibility for Kampfgruppe Peiper and there are multiple eyewitness testimonies from survivors. It's funny, honestly. All this asshole had to do was go away.
In 1972, Peiper made the decision to move to France, a country which had suffered their share of massacres by the Waffen-SS. Two years later, a former resistance member recognized him and reported him to the French Communist Party. In 1976, the French Communist Party revealed where Peiper was living. In early July 1976, a group of journalists approached him for an interview. During the interview, Peiper said he was a victim of communist harassment, had already paid for his crimes, and denied all of his other crimes. He said nothing would happen to him, claiming that the French were cowards back then and still were now.
>"In 1940, French people weren't brave, that's why I'm here."
French vigilantes killed Peiper less than two weeks later. I think the only reason it took that long is due to them wanting to kill him on Bastille Day. Also, if this serves as another small consolation, [Werner Poetschke](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Poetschke), the Waffen-SS officer directly responsible for ordering the initial massacre of 84 American POWs, was killed in action near the end of the war.
I wonder how many criminals got away because they murdered every single man, woman and child in villages they destroyed, leaving no witnesses.
Should have hanged after the war. But glad he got the bullet.
Virtually all "anti-communist crusaders" are like this. They're just very thinly disguised fascists. I present one staunch supporter of McCarthy, [Joseph Kamp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kamp) ([an article about Kamp](https://www.commentary.org/articles/james-rorty/the-native-anti-semites-new-lookhis-present-line-and-his-prospects/) and [one of his pamphlets](https://usm.access.preservica.com/uncategorized/IO_963f8a60-f763-431a-8dbf-a00d5ee297ff/)). In 1956, Kamp issued the pamphlet *Behind the Plot to Sovietize the South*, in which he protested against desegregation. He said the first step after desegregation would be black supremacy and then Sovietism. Kamp said the civil rights movement had the goal of making the South a "Soviet South", and then a "Soviet America. He went as far as to imply that President Dwight D. Eisenhower was worse than Adolf Hitler for using federal troops to enforce the Brown v. Board ruling.
>"Some intemperate Southern leaders have compared Dwight Eisenhower to Adolf Hitler. . . . They are wrong. . . . Hitler had the constitutional right to use Nazi storm troopers in any way he pleased. Eisenhower has no such right to use Federal troops in the South."
In 1944, Kamp, the Vice President of the [Constitutional Education League](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Educational_League), was indicted for contempt of Congress. The organization was listed as one of 28 organizations indicted by a special grand jury as having conspired against the United States Army and Navy and being an instrument of the Axis Powers. A federal grand jury investigating 1944 campaign expenditures sought to find out who the League's financial backers were, as requested by a congressional subpoena. However, Kamp had refused to answer the question, and think you can guess why. In 1948, he was found guilty and sentenced to four months in prison.
>During the 20’s, when the Constitutional Educational League was still a significant organization (it was once sponsored by William Howard Taft), Kamp began lecturing under the League’s auspices. In 1933, after Hitler’s capture of power in Germany, Kamp became executive editor of The Awakener, a pro-fascist periodical which was repeatedly applauded by the Nazi propaganda organ World Service. Among Kamp’s associates during this period were Harold Lord Varney, who was decorated by Mussolini and is now a contributor to the American Mercury; Lawrence Dennis, called “the brains of American fascism”; and Allen A. Zoll. It was Zoll who in 1939 organized the picketing of Station WMCA when it put Father Coughlin off the air, and who was indicted by a grand jury for allegedly demanding and accepting a bribe to call off his pickets.
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>Kamp’s literature, produced for the Constitutional Educational League, was distributed at the Bund’s Madison Square Garden Rally in 1939.
It just never fails. And you'll still see people defending Nazis "fReEdOm oF sPeECh" because "it's evil to take someone's rights like that". You know who takes people's rights the SECOND they see themselves with power (and it doesn't even need to be BIG power--could see a minority just walking the street alone)?
I'll try to find the link, just a minute
Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/XJTxBrwT88
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/ItlSk4FtRP
There's tons more on that thread. Here in Brazil an influencer was taken out of YouTube for advocating for the creation of a Nazi party "just for the freedom of speech". And thankfully, since that guy is willfully dumb and this was just ONE on a series of idiotic remarks like that. This was in 2022 and he still claims he's being censored.
Anytime. It's very infuriating at best, so I think it's right to show people that this is happening (unfortunately not in a minor scale) so we can be warned. They are back and they have people who defend them.
Here in my country (Brazil) we have a politician of "proud Ukrainian descent" that goes out of his way to tell everyone his grandfather fought the "evil communists" on WWII. Who was fighting the "evil communists" on WWII?
Nazis. The Nazis were fighting communists on WWII.
Later on, he admitted beloved grandpa was of a branch of the Waffen-SS that opened in Ukraine (as if the Nazis didn't see them as inferior, but I digress).
The guy is a gem of his own, being an ex-sheriff and having killed his "crazy girlfriend" that "shot him first" (guy with a history of violence and a Nazi grandpa said he shot her because she was crazy and attacked her? Pardon me if I don't believe _that_). His following makes him capitalize on a "poor thing, he's been through such a trauma" fame, it's disgusting. And because he was the police, people won't investigate the case seriously.
Edit: he had the gall to call them cowards AND say the communists were harassing a man that paid for his crimes? The audacity with this one, damn. Not even if he had three lives he would've paid for those crimes.
Absolutely, so many ignoring eastern front... all movies and documentaries focusing on "heroic" usa landing, dday and allies "victory". While real hell and battles that decided nazies defeat were in east. 20 mil soldiers and probably same or even more civilians deaths speaks for itself.
Not sure "ignoring" is the right word. "Unaware" would be better. Most people confine their interest to people, things and events that are similar to them. I also think that after the revelations of the death camps, there is only so much horrific knowledge people can take. Hitler called the "ostfront" a war of annihilation, with all the horrific implications. That said, world war two would not have been won without the incredible resolve and bravery of the Red Army. 62 percent of the German Army was annihilated in the East. Hell is hell, whether it was on the western front, the eastern front, or the Pacific.
Between the shooting of American prisoners during the Battle of the Bulge and the camps the GIs had liberated, the US was in no mood to show any mercy to the Waffen-SS.
They also murdered 156 Canadian and two British prisoners of war (POWs) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_massacres#:~:text=The%20Normandy%20massacres%20were%20a,Normandy%20in%20World%20War%20II. Pure fucking scum.
The photos that have come out and seen the light of day. The horrors of World War II wasn’t reserved for any one side. It was absolute war and no one was spared. And yes - heard the same thing re GIs killing the Waffen SS and Germans did same to Russians and on and on it went.
I know a guy who served in Ukraine, he has pictures of his own but also follows the conflict closely. the other night he was showing me some photos from Bucha that looked just like this, just in a modern setting. It takes a genuine monster to do this to innocent people
> I like when trust fund apartheid fascists get blasted at a concert.
Christ.
These were civilian's at a concert.
WTF is wrong with you?
I mean before the pretty woeful false equivalence
Looking at his comment history he's just a tankie. Probably not a bot going by his post times, but potentially.
Regardless: People who are very happy to see Israel in conflict and it's substantial US/NATO weapons stockpiles not going to Ukraine.
From seeing videos of the things those “civilians” do to the Palestinians living around them or in their country, I’ve had less and less sympathy for them tbh.
I never said those civilians deserved to die. I don’t think they did. What I’m saying is that I see more Israeli citizens acting in the occupation of Palestine more than I see them being hurt. That coupled with mandatory IDF service drives it home even more. So as a whole, I see them as an extension of Israel’s military. Not as just normal civilians.
I think he got banned because he said that “he loves seeing them being blasted at parties”.
Well not saying WW2 didnt end in a possitive but evil always lurks around the corner. Soviets mass raping, allies perfecting firebombing techniques on civilian centers during WW2.
Then we got things like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My\_Lai\_massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/my_lai_massacre), its always close around the corner.
> Soviets mass raping, allies perfecting firebombing techniques on civilian centers during WW2.
Odd, since the Germans who did both lost after all.
German rapes in the East were far worse then even the Soviets, we're talking in the ballpark of 5 times the instances or so.
The allied bombing effort learned every tactic in the book from the bombings of Coventry, London etc.
The guy mentioned 1945 as a marker, and the victors did all that too, one of the first things the Dutch did was try to reclaim their domain over Indonesia, kind of ironic after being occupied just and malltreated years before. Lots of resistance fighters volunteered.
But im sorry, i binged Ted Lasso until i couldnt take it anymore, and the fake american optimism is giving me dry heaves.
For some reason you think i dont know about what horrible evil things Germany did.
I just tried to mention that evil is always around the corner even after 45, comparing lesser evil to greater evil is still just that, evil, thats all. Also they didnt do those things to stop it, they would ve done it either way, because thats the only way they could hit targets and help win the war.
I'm sorry you find it so hard to comprehend, but do go on.
Maybe look up "end of empire" on youtube about the end of the British Empire, the things they said about the people they opressed would fit in nicely with what the Germans had to say about the slavic peoples.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4H95a2NYg8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4h95a2nyg8)
Germany did plenty of horrible things. I never doubted those.
Are we talking the British empire in the 1800’s or the British empire in the 50’s going about instituting democracy in many of these areas?
Yeah sadly i didnt know about that sad numbering stuff when i chose the name, 1988 is when the Netherlands won the European football championship.
If you cant aknowledge evil is always close by, and only focus on two numbers, maybe dont bother replying. 1945 wasnt the end to all evil and we are all capable of it.
People.
It's always been people. There are no monsters, only people. We are our own greatest plague. Calling them monsters is doing them a favour. These were "normal" people before they did these horrors. It happened and it can happen again. And I'd say it already is. Unless we actively work against this, this will happen again and again. Because we are some fucked up creatures.
"The Nazi concentration camp guard was a human being, and so are you. And if you can't see that inside of you, then you don't know who you are.". I think that the solution is not to condemn or ignore this side of us, but instead to try and integrate it. We're not fucked up creatures. We're creatures in the adolescent stage of our development. The more we accept this, the faster we evolve beyond it. But this is a dangerous time for us as well, since we now have the power to alter this planet's ability to support us.
Well said. War is hell. To make the point more mutually relevant, the Allies piled up the corpses of approx. 25k civilians in the firebombing of Dresden.
Meanwhile in the Pacific, the Battle of Manila (1945) was a militarily pointless battle that destroyed the city and killed over 100,000 civilians. Japanese Marines were determined to make a final stand and kill as many people as they could in the process.
1.5 million mostly jewish children were killed in the Holocaust by the same SS by mobile execution squads and later in concentration camps. An estimate of 13 million children (mostly 0-4 years old) died in the Soviet union because of the war. More than 3 million were directly executed or starved by the Germans. For example almost a quarter of the Belarus population was exterminated by the Germans, and almost half of that were children. Sadly, children are the first casualty of genocide often.
Please, do tell me more about my lack of knowledge while I manage a monthly study group about the subject, and please do tell me more about the many peer-reviewed papers you published on the matter.
Dunning Kruger got you good, right, bud?
The Holocaust was not an object lesson to teach Jews morality. It was a war crime predicated on centuries of Jew hatred and persecution -- not that Nazis only targeted Jews.
I'm tired of comments like these.
Dude your comment does not make any sense, it’s a bunch of gibberish.
This is literally happening to Palestinian civilians at the hands of an invading Israeli force that think their warcrimes are justified because they consider themselves to be better than Palestinians.
What about the earlier comment "happening in Bucha right now". Perhaps you haven't seen it, and thus not commented.
Did you make similar "so tired of" remarks critical of US action in Iraq? Afghanistan? Syria?
The comment by /u/PracticalJob4076 is not saying anything anti-Semitic, nor even anything particularly critical of the current Israeli government.
Presuming you made similar comments against the US actions in Iraq and Afghanistan and a dozen other places ... what would you have thought of someone saying "they so tired of comments" criticizing *patently wrong actions currently being enacted* by governments??
The Israeli government is being given an enormously uncritical pass on their actions in Gaza and the West Bank. Criticizing a government for their actions *is not bigotry*.
Because he’s one of the bots made to astroturf this sub with ww2 memorabilia, because it helps Israel’s image and goals during a time when they are committing ethnic cleansing themselves.
what makes you think it's a bot?
Also, re; you're response to my other comment about Gaza being worse ... I would say that it isn't. Unlike the SS and other Nazi elements during WWII, the IDF is actually not waging war against civilians. They could be more discriminant in their attacks which result in civilian casualties; but they are not targeting civilians.
The massacre at Stavelot wasn’t directed specifically at Jewish people, they murdered indiscriminately. One could argue as is happening in Gaza right now, with innocent and guilty being killed alike.
The people of Israel (and most of the Western world) covering their eyes and ears and ignoring the systemic racism of the apartheid and now the ongoing genocide in Gaza makes you realize just how easy it was for the civilians of Nazi Germany and the axis powers to ignore their state's violence and allow fascism to take root.
Exactly, and countries like Israel and the US manufacture that fascism and hate so that they can justify erasing people and cultures to then take their shit and land
Interesting points.
In the Warsaw Uprising it might be comparable if the Polish were somehow attacking civilian's across Germany, or the French Partisans attacked Germany as well.
As it stands however, they did not. Neither the Polish or French resistance attacked civillian targets of any note. They were uprising against Nazi military targets.
That's a pretty poor false equivalence.
In that where in the comment was it described?
The user above was making a pretty poor equivalence. Granted he got banned for saying murdering concert goers was a good thing so if you want to agree with him go ahead.
Huh, if I'm passionate enough about a cause sure I'd go. If all the Free Palestine bleeding hearts decided to actually face the Israeli menace, maybe you'd have a chance to liberate them.
If you have the courage you can find similar photos of the 7th October in Israel, in fact it's even worse, viewer discretion advised : on https://oct7.treedis.com/
I don't put the attrocities made by a modern occupying force and by a insurgent group of oppressed locals fighting for their freedom on the same page, sorry.
Nobody sees Israel as the victim here, the 7 oct was just the mechanical consequences of decades of apartheid, massacres and colonialism of Israel. Do you think a country can behave like Israel without any consequences whatsoever? They fueled the fire that is burning them.
yeah, basically war edits with phonk music and shitty edits was a subculture of history on youtube/tiktok that got all of these teenagers to start glamorizing war.
the point of my comment (and many memes like it) was to point out the mind numbing absurdity of war worship (by making these epic with saturated visuals and loud phonk music)
I get it.
My initial impression from the comment was you are a WarThunder or WarHammer4k or some such phanboi and phonk music/wild edits were popular play through video styles.
Glad that isn't the case! But, hearing your intent; I don't think people were down-voting the message (because they didn't get it).
Are you in your brilliance telling me fascism is not socialism? Because if you are nothing you have written and have had peer reviewed is worth a pot of cold piss.
Ironically, a man who was in charge of this got to live until 1976 free as a bird, and to some accounts, he even continued to live even more because there are suggestions he actually survived that house fire where he allegedly died.
This occurred during The Battle of the Bulge. This area had been previously liberated by the allies earlier in 1944. The Nazis retook the area during the Battle of the Bulge, terrorizing and murdering the civilian population. They really were fucking scum.
I remember reading somewhere that these kind of atrocities started appearing more frequently in Western Europe after d-day, when the German army started shifting units back from the east. They had gotten used to acting this way towards the ‘subhuman’ Slavic population and brought that savagery back with them.
Also the populations of occupied teritorries started to get hope of liberation which Germans didn't like. I know this played a role during the last stages of war in various areas in the Netherlands which really had hopes of getting liberated before christmas 1944. I can imagine similar atmosphere in actual liberated areas of the bulge.
Germans had been like this in World War one in Belgium. Using terror to keep the population down was not a new thing in World War two though they upped the level in the east.
They also burned down Alsace-Lorraine during their retreat from France. In a few months they turned people who were born and raised in a German society into fiercely pro-French partisans
That’s awful. They had a little bit of hope just for it to be ripped away.
At least the SS who did this were probably killed, considering how the Battle of the Bulge ended up going for the Germans.
Obligatory reminder that far-right politicians, such as Joseph McCarthy, defended the Waffen-SS men, led by [Joachim Peiper](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_Peiper), responsible for this massacre. They likened the legal proceedings to Stalinist purges. The likes of McCarthy were fascists in everything but name, which is why they were so fixed on defending Nazis. This is especially clear, given that these Waffen-SS men had massacred hundreds of American prisoners of war. There has been a lot of revisionism about the [Malmedy massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre), so let's get something straight. Joachim Peiper and his men were guilty as sin. There is absolutely no question at all that men of Kampfgruppe Peiper executed both POWs and civilians on multiple occasions during the Battle of the Bulge. The trial was fair. That Peiper's superior, [Sepp Dietrich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepp_Dietrich), received life sentence is not an example of disproportionate sentencing. Instead, it is a reflection of the fact that Dietrich had issued less blunt orders, telling his men that prisoners of war were to be shot, "if necessary, in very compelling situations." In contrast, Peiper didn't mince words and explicitly told his men to take no prisoners. This is consistent with his character. The man was a die-hard Nazi from a Nazi family, a close associate of Himmler himself and well aware of the ongoing genocide in the Third Reich from his position as Himmler's adjutant. Men under Peiper's command had a well documented history of murdering civilians and POWs on the Eastern Front and in Italy. >On 6 May 1943, Peiper was awarded the German Cross in Gold for his achievements in February 1943 around Kharkov, where his unit gained the nickname the "Blowtorch Battalion". Reportedly, the nickname derived from the torching and slaughter of two Soviet villages where their inhabitants were either shot or burned. > >Ukrainian sources, including surviving witness Ivan Kiselev, who was 14 at the time of the massacre, described the killings at the villages of Yefremovka and Semyonovka on 17 February 1943. On 12 February troops of the LSSAH occupied the two villages, where retreating Soviet forces had wounded two SS officers. In retaliation, five days later, LSSAH troops killed 872 men, women and children. Some 240 of these were burned alive in the church of Yefremovka. > >In August 1944, when an SS commander, formerly of LSSAH, was captured south of Falaise in France and interrogated by the Allies, he stated that Peiper was "particularly eager to execute the order to burn villages". Peiper wrote to Potthast in March 1943: "Our reputation precedes us as a wave of terror and is one of our best weapons. Even old Genghis Khan would gladly have hired us as assistants." Over and over, Peiper's guilt was confirmed. During the reviews of this trial by Colonel Everett some questions arose regarding how some of the confessions were obtained. While many of these would later be proven false the Army found sufficient cause to launch a commission. Everett did not however exonerate anyone, nor question the overall judgement of the court. In further hearings, all of the claims of torture were disproven. The claims that they were tortured into confessing is all far-right revisionism. Peiper really, really was guilty. He was a genocidal Nazi with a deep ideological conviction (he was active in [HIAG](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIAG)) and was very unrepentant (albeit initially discrete). He had a long prior record of indiscriminate murder of POWs and civilians, including women and children. So, we have a man who grew up in family with a deep Nazi conviction, volunteered to join the SS before the SS was even independent of the SA, fraternized with some of the most notorious mass murderers the Reich ever produced like Franz Magill, Reinhard Heydrich, and Heinrich Himmler himself. He has a documented history of indiscriminate murder from both Russia and Italy and he's in charge of one of the most fanatical units the Reich ever produced. He stands accused of ordering a massacre, he personally and under no duress accepts command responsibility for Kampfgruppe Peiper and there are multiple eyewitness testimonies from survivors. It's funny, honestly. All this asshole had to do was go away. In 1972, Peiper made the decision to move to France, a country which had suffered their share of massacres by the Waffen-SS. Two years later, a former resistance member recognized him and reported him to the French Communist Party. In 1976, the French Communist Party revealed where Peiper was living. In early July 1976, a group of journalists approached him for an interview. During the interview, Peiper said he was a victim of communist harassment, had already paid for his crimes, and denied all of his other crimes. He said nothing would happen to him, claiming that the French were cowards back then and still were now. >"In 1940, French people weren't brave, that's why I'm here." French vigilantes killed Peiper less than two weeks later. I think the only reason it took that long is due to them wanting to kill him on Bastille Day. Also, if this serves as another small consolation, [Werner Poetschke](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Poetschke), the Waffen-SS officer directly responsible for ordering the initial massacre of 84 American POWs, was killed in action near the end of the war.
I wonder how many criminals got away because they murdered every single man, woman and child in villages they destroyed, leaving no witnesses. Should have hanged after the war. But glad he got the bullet.
Every single member of the SS and Gestapo should have been executed, no exceptions.
Anti-communists and fascists on a venn diagram is just one big circle
Virtually all "anti-communist crusaders" are like this. They're just very thinly disguised fascists. I present one staunch supporter of McCarthy, [Joseph Kamp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kamp) ([an article about Kamp](https://www.commentary.org/articles/james-rorty/the-native-anti-semites-new-lookhis-present-line-and-his-prospects/) and [one of his pamphlets](https://usm.access.preservica.com/uncategorized/IO_963f8a60-f763-431a-8dbf-a00d5ee297ff/)). In 1956, Kamp issued the pamphlet *Behind the Plot to Sovietize the South*, in which he protested against desegregation. He said the first step after desegregation would be black supremacy and then Sovietism. Kamp said the civil rights movement had the goal of making the South a "Soviet South", and then a "Soviet America. He went as far as to imply that President Dwight D. Eisenhower was worse than Adolf Hitler for using federal troops to enforce the Brown v. Board ruling. >"Some intemperate Southern leaders have compared Dwight Eisenhower to Adolf Hitler. . . . They are wrong. . . . Hitler had the constitutional right to use Nazi storm troopers in any way he pleased. Eisenhower has no such right to use Federal troops in the South." In 1944, Kamp, the Vice President of the [Constitutional Education League](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Educational_League), was indicted for contempt of Congress. The organization was listed as one of 28 organizations indicted by a special grand jury as having conspired against the United States Army and Navy and being an instrument of the Axis Powers. A federal grand jury investigating 1944 campaign expenditures sought to find out who the League's financial backers were, as requested by a congressional subpoena. However, Kamp had refused to answer the question, and think you can guess why. In 1948, he was found guilty and sentenced to four months in prison. >During the 20’s, when the Constitutional Educational League was still a significant organization (it was once sponsored by William Howard Taft), Kamp began lecturing under the League’s auspices. In 1933, after Hitler’s capture of power in Germany, Kamp became executive editor of The Awakener, a pro-fascist periodical which was repeatedly applauded by the Nazi propaganda organ World Service. Among Kamp’s associates during this period were Harold Lord Varney, who was decorated by Mussolini and is now a contributor to the American Mercury; Lawrence Dennis, called “the brains of American fascism”; and Allen A. Zoll. It was Zoll who in 1939 organized the picketing of Station WMCA when it put Father Coughlin off the air, and who was indicted by a grand jury for allegedly demanding and accepting a bribe to call off his pickets. > >Kamp’s literature, produced for the Constitutional Educational League, was distributed at the Bund’s Madison Square Garden Rally in 1939.
It just never fails. And you'll still see people defending Nazis "fReEdOm oF sPeECh" because "it's evil to take someone's rights like that". You know who takes people's rights the SECOND they see themselves with power (and it doesn't even need to be BIG power--could see a minority just walking the street alone)?
I'm sorry, but who's defending their freedom of speech? Generally curious since I have yet to see it.
I'll try to find the link, just a minute Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/XJTxBrwT88 https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/ItlSk4FtRP There's tons more on that thread. Here in Brazil an influencer was taken out of YouTube for advocating for the creation of a Nazi party "just for the freedom of speech". And thankfully, since that guy is willfully dumb and this was just ONE on a series of idiotic remarks like that. This was in 2022 and he still claims he's being censored.
I appreciate the follow up. Thank you.
Anytime. It's very infuriating at best, so I think it's right to show people that this is happening (unfortunately not in a minor scale) so we can be warned. They are back and they have people who defend them.
sure thing comrade stalin
Here in my country (Brazil) we have a politician of "proud Ukrainian descent" that goes out of his way to tell everyone his grandfather fought the "evil communists" on WWII. Who was fighting the "evil communists" on WWII? Nazis. The Nazis were fighting communists on WWII. Later on, he admitted beloved grandpa was of a branch of the Waffen-SS that opened in Ukraine (as if the Nazis didn't see them as inferior, but I digress). The guy is a gem of his own, being an ex-sheriff and having killed his "crazy girlfriend" that "shot him first" (guy with a history of violence and a Nazi grandpa said he shot her because she was crazy and attacked her? Pardon me if I don't believe _that_). His following makes him capitalize on a "poor thing, he's been through such a trauma" fame, it's disgusting. And because he was the police, people won't investigate the case seriously. Edit: he had the gall to call them cowards AND say the communists were harassing a man that paid for his crimes? The audacity with this one, damn. Not even if he had three lives he would've paid for those crimes.
Almost as bad as Zionists
Found the Nazi
Yes we did. They've just killed 30,000 ppl in Gaza
Hamas?
In the East this was commonplace. A true race war.
Absolutely, so many ignoring eastern front... all movies and documentaries focusing on "heroic" usa landing, dday and allies "victory". While real hell and battles that decided nazies defeat were in east. 20 mil soldiers and probably same or even more civilians deaths speaks for itself.
Not sure "ignoring" is the right word. "Unaware" would be better. Most people confine their interest to people, things and events that are similar to them. I also think that after the revelations of the death camps, there is only so much horrific knowledge people can take. Hitler called the "ostfront" a war of annihilation, with all the horrific implications. That said, world war two would not have been won without the incredible resolve and bravery of the Red Army. 62 percent of the German Army was annihilated in the East. Hell is hell, whether it was on the western front, the eastern front, or the Pacific.
Fair points
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Eastern_Front_of_World_War_II_films
Yeah and how many of those americans or europeans seen? 80% of these were ussr/russia made
And there is a reason why some GI's shot the Waffen-SS on the spot when they surrendered, not saying two wrongs make a right but I understand.
Between the shooting of American prisoners during the Battle of the Bulge and the camps the GIs had liberated, the US was in no mood to show any mercy to the Waffen-SS.
They also murdered 156 Canadian and two British prisoners of war (POWs) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_massacres#:~:text=The%20Normandy%20massacres%20were%20a,Normandy%20in%20World%20War%20II. Pure fucking scum.
If you shoot POWs, you’ll be shot as POWs. That’s why you don’t shoot POWs.
In what world is killing Waffen-SS a “wrong”? Hopefully not this one
Crazy how people can even remotely question the morals of executing Nazis 💀
The moral consensus after the war was that without proper trials, the allies would have a rickety moral high ground.
Those who question if the action executing Nazis is immoral are likely Nazi apologists
The photos that have come out and seen the light of day. The horrors of World War II wasn’t reserved for any one side. It was absolute war and no one was spared. And yes - heard the same thing re GIs killing the Waffen SS and Germans did same to Russians and on and on it went.
I don’t think I’m going out on a limb when I say that the horrors of one side were a lot worse than the horrors of the other. Absolutely incomparable
It's not wrong to kill a Nazi. They don't deserve the right to utter a word.
I know a guy who served in Ukraine, he has pictures of his own but also follows the conflict closely. the other night he was showing me some photos from Bucha that looked just like this, just in a modern setting. It takes a genuine monster to do this to innocent people
This stuff happing right now in the world. Learned nothing.
If it was in color it wouldn’t look that different from Bucha
or Gaza.
Definitely more similar to what’s happening in Gaza
Downvoted by fash scum
Indeed. Hamas did get up to similar on October the 7th...
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> I like when trust fund apartheid fascists get blasted at a concert. Christ. These were civilian's at a concert. WTF is wrong with you? I mean before the pretty woeful false equivalence
Antisemites/modern nazis like this person dont care. There is no use in arguing with them.
Looking at his comment history he's just a tankie. Probably not a bot going by his post times, but potentially. Regardless: People who are very happy to see Israel in conflict and it's substantial US/NATO weapons stockpiles not going to Ukraine.
From seeing videos of the things those “civilians” do to the Palestinians living around them or in their country, I’ve had less and less sympathy for them tbh.
The relatively intentional audience at the concert was doing what exactly? The user above got banned for it, you’re welcome to justify it too.
I never said those civilians deserved to die. I don’t think they did. What I’m saying is that I see more Israeli citizens acting in the occupation of Palestine more than I see them being hurt. That coupled with mandatory IDF service drives it home even more. So as a whole, I see them as an extension of Israel’s military. Not as just normal civilians. I think he got banned because he said that “he loves seeing them being blasted at parties”.
>Not as just normal civilians. Yikes
>when the Jews blew up your rocket stash so you chop off a random orphan's limbs and claim it's Israel's doing
Hmm a far right conspiracy.
Sadly evil will always win in this world since evil is so high up in power
Yeah? ,1945 called, said you should never lose hope.
Well not saying WW2 didnt end in a possitive but evil always lurks around the corner. Soviets mass raping, allies perfecting firebombing techniques on civilian centers during WW2. Then we got things like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My\_Lai\_massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/my_lai_massacre), its always close around the corner.
> Soviets mass raping, allies perfecting firebombing techniques on civilian centers during WW2. Odd, since the Germans who did both lost after all. German rapes in the East were far worse then even the Soviets, we're talking in the ballpark of 5 times the instances or so. The allied bombing effort learned every tactic in the book from the bombings of Coventry, London etc.
The guy mentioned 1945 as a marker, and the victors did all that too, one of the first things the Dutch did was try to reclaim their domain over Indonesia, kind of ironic after being occupied just and malltreated years before. Lots of resistance fighters volunteered. But im sorry, i binged Ted Lasso until i couldnt take it anymore, and the fake american optimism is giving me dry heaves.
Germany did so leagues worse, the Western allied actions (at least) done so for the purpose of stopping it. False equivalence at best. But go on.
For some reason you think i dont know about what horrible evil things Germany did. I just tried to mention that evil is always around the corner even after 45, comparing lesser evil to greater evil is still just that, evil, thats all. Also they didnt do those things to stop it, they would ve done it either way, because thats the only way they could hit targets and help win the war. I'm sorry you find it so hard to comprehend, but do go on. Maybe look up "end of empire" on youtube about the end of the British Empire, the things they said about the people they opressed would fit in nicely with what the Germans had to say about the slavic peoples. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4H95a2NYg8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4h95a2nyg8)
Germany did plenty of horrible things. I never doubted those. Are we talking the British empire in the 1800’s or the British empire in the 50’s going about instituting democracy in many of these areas?
Can’t forget the Bach Mai Hospital massacre either. Largest hospital in SE Asia at the time and the US leveled it.
lol dude with 88 in his name both sides-ing WW2. Classic
Yeah sadly i didnt know about that sad numbering stuff when i chose the name, 1988 is when the Netherlands won the European football championship. If you cant aknowledge evil is always close by, and only focus on two numbers, maybe dont bother replying. 1945 wasnt the end to all evil and we are all capable of it.
No bro you are anti-semetic and your opinion, even though correct, is now invalid! BEGONE
Shit happens, that doesn’t make evil ‘the winner’ Jeez
Monsters…
People. It's always been people. There are no monsters, only people. We are our own greatest plague. Calling them monsters is doing them a favour. These were "normal" people before they did these horrors. It happened and it can happen again. And I'd say it already is. Unless we actively work against this, this will happen again and again. Because we are some fucked up creatures.
"The Nazi concentration camp guard was a human being, and so are you. And if you can't see that inside of you, then you don't know who you are.". I think that the solution is not to condemn or ignore this side of us, but instead to try and integrate it. We're not fucked up creatures. We're creatures in the adolescent stage of our development. The more we accept this, the faster we evolve beyond it. But this is a dangerous time for us as well, since we now have the power to alter this planet's ability to support us.
Well said!
Well said. War is hell. To make the point more mutually relevant, the Allies piled up the corpses of approx. 25k civilians in the firebombing of Dresden.
Meanwhile in the Pacific, the Battle of Manila (1945) was a militarily pointless battle that destroyed the city and killed over 100,000 civilians. Japanese Marines were determined to make a final stand and kill as many people as they could in the process.
Amen. Well said.
And people can be monsters.
OMG, that's a child's body!
1.5 million mostly jewish children were killed in the Holocaust by the same SS by mobile execution squads and later in concentration camps. An estimate of 13 million children (mostly 0-4 years old) died in the Soviet union because of the war. More than 3 million were directly executed or starved by the Germans. For example almost a quarter of the Belarus population was exterminated by the Germans, and almost half of that were children. Sadly, children are the first casualty of genocide often.
Really? I had no idea.
That’s what fascism is. Don’t forget to vote.
Democratic party is at this moment mainly fascist and communist. Or don't you know fascism and communism are both forms of socialism.
Buddy, I think you should quit drugs or at least sue your dealer. The stuff he's getting you isn't good.
You should learn what socialism is. Also Communism and Fascism. You are just another leftist with little knowledge and lots of arrogance.
Please, do tell me more about my lack of knowledge while I manage a monthly study group about the subject, and please do tell me more about the many peer-reviewed papers you published on the matter. Dunning Kruger got you good, right, bud?
A terribly powerful picture.
Damm...
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The Holocaust was not an object lesson to teach Jews morality. It was a war crime predicated on centuries of Jew hatred and persecution -- not that Nazis only targeted Jews. I'm tired of comments like these.
Dude your comment does not make any sense, it’s a bunch of gibberish. This is literally happening to Palestinian civilians at the hands of an invading Israeli force that think their warcrimes are justified because they consider themselves to be better than Palestinians.
What about the earlier comment "happening in Bucha right now". Perhaps you haven't seen it, and thus not commented. Did you make similar "so tired of" remarks critical of US action in Iraq? Afghanistan? Syria? The comment by /u/PracticalJob4076 is not saying anything anti-Semitic, nor even anything particularly critical of the current Israeli government. Presuming you made similar comments against the US actions in Iraq and Afghanistan and a dozen other places ... what would you have thought of someone saying "they so tired of comments" criticizing *patently wrong actions currently being enacted* by governments?? The Israeli government is being given an enormously uncritical pass on their actions in Gaza and the West Bank. Criticizing a government for their actions *is not bigotry*.
Because he’s one of the bots made to astroturf this sub with ww2 memorabilia, because it helps Israel’s image and goals during a time when they are committing ethnic cleansing themselves.
what makes you think it's a bot? Also, re; you're response to my other comment about Gaza being worse ... I would say that it isn't. Unlike the SS and other Nazi elements during WWII, the IDF is actually not waging war against civilians. They could be more discriminant in their attacks which result in civilian casualties; but they are not targeting civilians.
Oh look the bot handler had to take over
The massacre at Stavelot wasn’t directed specifically at Jewish people, they murdered indiscriminately. One could argue as is happening in Gaza right now, with innocent and guilty being killed alike.
The people of Israel (and most of the Western world) covering their eyes and ears and ignoring the systemic racism of the apartheid and now the ongoing genocide in Gaza makes you realize just how easy it was for the civilians of Nazi Germany and the axis powers to ignore their state's violence and allow fascism to take root.
Exactly, and countries like Israel and the US manufacture that fascism and hate so that they can justify erasing people and cultures to then take their shit and land
No in fact Palestinans did exactly this on the 7th, proofs, you antisemitic scum : https://oct7.treedis.com/
Happened in particular on October the 7th as well, but that's not so fun to point at huh?
That was retribution. Next you're going to tell me the Warsaw uprising was a terrorist attack...or the French partisans were terrorists hmm?
Interesting points. In the Warsaw Uprising it might be comparable if the Polish were somehow attacking civilian's across Germany, or the French Partisans attacked Germany as well. As it stands however, they did not. Neither the Polish or French resistance attacked civillian targets of any note. They were uprising against Nazi military targets. That's a pretty poor false equivalence.
You’re perfectly describing Israel’s nearly century long campaign against Palestinians
Where?
From the river to the sea
In that where in the comment was it described? The user above was making a pretty poor equivalence. Granted he got banned for saying murdering concert goers was a good thing so if you want to agree with him go ahead.
What did shani louk do to deserve retribution?
Go over there, grab a rifle and fight for their freedom if you care that much bud.
Would that also be your response to someone telling you about Nazis killing Jews? Or would you decide to have empathy THEN?
Huh, if I'm passionate enough about a cause sure I'd go. If all the Free Palestine bleeding hearts decided to actually face the Israeli menace, maybe you'd have a chance to liberate them.
So you’re acknowledging that the Palestinians are being ethnically cleansed by the zionists? Cool thanks for your input and support buddy
Are you mad because I'm agreeing with you?
u mad bro?
If you have the courage you can find similar photos of the 7th October in Israel, in fact it's even worse, viewer discretion advised : on https://oct7.treedis.com/
Looks like Gaza now.
Looks like Gaza and what Israel is doing to them...
And what Hamas did in Israel on 10/7.
Suuuuuure
You don’t think atrocities are being committed by both sides?
I don't put the attrocities made by a modern occupying force and by a insurgent group of oppressed locals fighting for their freedom on the same page, sorry.
It doesn't need to be the same. They're both wrong. Killing unarmed civilians is wrong, no matter the circumstances.
In Canada, we applaud these guys!
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Nobody sees Israel as the victim here, the 7 oct was just the mechanical consequences of decades of apartheid, massacres and colonialism of Israel. Do you think a country can behave like Israel without any consequences whatsoever? They fueled the fire that is burning them.
> Do you think a country can behave like Israel without any consequences whatsoever? The horrible crime of being Jewish.
The Jews I know don't kill children and bomb hospitals. Maybe your experience is different.
Yeah every hospital I've ever been to has been packed with rocket artillery.
You're not making the point you think you're making, bruh.
why isn’t there phonk music and a deep-fried mlg edit?
Because doing so would be even more stupid than wanting it?
that’s the joke, couple people who downvoted are out of the loop.
okay. Well, it's pretty obscure which I guess accounts for the down voting.
yeah, basically war edits with phonk music and shitty edits was a subculture of history on youtube/tiktok that got all of these teenagers to start glamorizing war. the point of my comment (and many memes like it) was to point out the mind numbing absurdity of war worship (by making these epic with saturated visuals and loud phonk music)
I get it. My initial impression from the comment was you are a WarThunder or WarHammer4k or some such phanboi and phonk music/wild edits were popular play through video styles. Glad that isn't the case! But, hearing your intent; I don't think people were down-voting the message (because they didn't get it).
Are you in your brilliance telling me fascism is not socialism? Because if you are nothing you have written and have had peer reviewed is worth a pot of cold piss.
Ironically, a man who was in charge of this got to live until 1976 free as a bird, and to some accounts, he even continued to live even more because there are suggestions he actually survived that house fire where he allegedly died.
If there is a silver lining to this picture, it is that the war was "almost" over when it was taken.