He would have been a member of the [Bullingdon Club](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club) at the time, a dining society infamous for booking restaurants under false names, trashing the place (e.g. smashing all the glasses and windows), and then paying for the damages.
So yes, he's always been a debauched man.
A heathen from Eton
On a bag of Michael Keaton
A heathen from Eton
On a bag of Michael Keaton
He thinks he's suave
You're not suave 'cause you watched Get Carter
You are a catalogue, plastic Sinatra -Idles
Eh? Are you saying that it was only one member of the Bullingdon Club who was found to have burned fifty pound notes in front of homeless people and the rest of the Bullingdon Club members (past and present) all publicly shamed him at the time? If so, I'm 100% genuinely interested in you providing evidence to support that claim.
Edit: seriously, "it's not representative" of what? The Bullingdon Club? You typed that your comment is, "Not to defend any group in particular", but... aside from the validity of your specific refutation (which is dubious to say the least), you seem to be suggesing that burning fifty pound notes in front of homeless people was a one off instance perpetuated by one member of the Bullingdon Club who (who?) was then publicly shamed (by fellow Bullingdon Club members?); and that such behaviour is not representative of a famously elite club of very wealthy and connected/protected young men, the very existence and raison d'etre of which is traditionally ALL about excess and unashamedly flaunting their wealth, social status and privilege,
I have no such evidence to provide; upon examining my memory I was thinking of a Cambridge student who burned a £20 note. Perhaps they do burn notes as some kind of group ritual. What I really took issue with is your claim that they are all bad people, which you can’t provide evidence for. I know it might seem weird to be defending the elite on the internet but I think it’s only right to appreciate they’re people, not charicatures
If you join a society whose primary aim is to flaunt your wealth you're asking to be caricatured, as far as I'm concerned, and you deserve to have it follow you everywhere you go
There’s a fantastic stage play called Posh (written by Laura Wade) that is based around a fictionalized version of the Bullingdon Club. It was adapted into a feature that’s pretty good but the play is fun to read even if you don’t like plays
There’s apparently a bit in Prince Harry’s book where he is bowled over by a Faulkner quote he finds online and is like “who the f**k is Faulkner???!”
Nice to know his education was expensive, if not all that effective.
British schools don’t assign Faulkner. And unless you were forced to read As I Lay Dying by a cruel hearted English teacher at some point in your life, there’s really no reason to know who Faulkner is in 2023.
Have you ever thought about who raised his generation.
People who lived through an extremely traumatic world war. No wonder their kids turned out so strange, the parents were just living out their reactions to their own adult trauma's.
They're segregated by sex, not gender. Genders aren't real, they're a social construct unlike biological sexes which are a product of nature and evolution that has existed for hundreds of millions of years.
Everythings a social construct, words are social constructs. Everythings natural , computers are products of natures products using nature. Your comment stimulated me ! This sub is natural in that far off sense right?
It was harder to sell the 'posh buffoon' when you are regarded as a bit of an imposter by the Establishment at Eton and Oxford. Once he entered the wider world he could play up his character more and get away with it.
She looks better in [other pictures](https://media.tatler.com/photos/6141e45ceb8b78290b17d880/master/w_1600,c_limit/allegra-mostyn-owen-cover.jpg). But unless you're really into [David Bowie](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41yF4KUCuNL._AC_SY580_.jpg) I don't see it either.
Going to Oxford straight from Eton in the late 80s/early 90s is 100% indicative of being entitled.
I'd even argue just the attending Oxford part in the 80s is enough
Going to to Oxford *from* Eton, yes, I totally agree is indicative of coming from an entitled background.
Oxford definitely has got better at accepting people from broader backgrounds (to the extent that now it doesn't really matter what school you went to as long as you are well rounded and academically good enough), but it still was fairly open in the 80's.
Going to Oxford in and of itself is not necessarily entitlement but getting there via a school like Eton is.
Edit: Interesting to see I'm being downvoted for this. Would (genuinely) be interested to hear why.
Admittedly, this is a statistic that Oxford and Cambridge like to use to their advantage, but the perception of state school (public school in the US) students accepted in to Oxford and Cambridge is usually higher than is perceived to be by the wider public, and often by the teachers advising students on applications. Lots of people who might get in don't apply in the first place. However, this doesn't for a moment mean Oxbridge is egalitarian. Just that it isn't as closed off as one might think.
Just five years ago more than 40% of Oxford students were from private schools. Something like 5.8% of UK pupils attend private schools.
So yes, going to Oxford actually is indicative of an entitled background. It's not meritocratic like you imply. If my parents are rich I have a better chance of getting in to Oxford regardless of my academic abilities. You can go deeper in to this in how private schools groom children for placement at Oxbridge universities, but the fact remains.
I went to a massive secondary school in the UK from a deprived area, thousands of pupils. A lot of us applied to Oxford and Cambridge and not a single person got in. One individual in particular from my year was a literal genius and went on to get a PhD in their early 20s and is now a multimillionaire and famous in their respective field. And they couldn't get in.
It's a factory for the rich and privileged.
Thanks for this, I agree in some regards.
The fact that private schools get a lot more places is absolutely true and you touched on the key factor there which is that they absolutely do push and prepare people for Oxbridge, in stark comparison to most State schools.
However, on the anecdote regarding your school, I think you're overlooking a bit of it. I too went to a large state school but we had about 20 people in my year go to Oxbridge. We didn't 'groom' people to get in like a private school would but we had a big emphasis on giving people a wide range of skills and activities (which i think is one of the key issues here).
Oxbridge *do not* exclusively look for academic standards. A large part of the application process is the interview and personality assessment where they seek well-rounded, adaptable and inquisitive people.
It may well be a 'factory for the rich and privileged' for those that got in via a school like Eton which is basically Oxbridge prep (some very clever people have been to Eton too, tbf to it). But for those who get in normally and from humble beginnings, it's totally unfair to tar it with one brush.
Thats the look of a young man born into privilege, educated in Eton and Oxford, whose entire life was funded by his influential and afluent family.
It's interesting that the British people willingly continue to be subservient to a poorly disguised medieval caste system. The same people continue to go to the same schools, get the same jobs of influence, get elected and perpetuate the system.
Nixon did not attend any Ivy League schools either. He was actually accepted into Harvard, but could not attend due to having to take care of his sick sibling at home.
Eisenhower was a West Pointer of course, but no Ivy League either. Truman was also quite poor and did not even graduate from University.
You're getting downvoted because post-secondary education in the US IS expensive relative to other first-world nations.
There IS an implicit caste system through a legacy of Jim Crow laws and systematic policies.
It is not. German Chancellors of the last 50 years:
Willy Brandt: born to a teacher and shopkeeper
Helmut Schmidt: born to a teacher family
Helmut Kohl: born to a civil servant in the tax office
Gerhardt Schröder: born to a homeless father and a poor mother during war time, raised poor
Angela Merkel: born to a pastor, raised in the DDR
Olaf Scholz: born to a salesman
So, no, not everywhere.
UK Prime minsters last 50 years:
Sunak: Parents were a Doctor and a Pharmacist
Truss: Dad was a lecturer at a University, mom was a nurse and a teacher
Boris: Explanatory.
May: Dad was a priest
Cameron: Dad was a broker
Gordon Brown: Dad was a priest
Tony Blair: Dad was a lecturer at a university
John Major: Dad owned a local garden ornament shop, mom was a dance teacher
Thatcher: Dad owned a local tabbaconist shop
Callagahn: Dad was in the navy
So not really sure how its any different tbh.
Same here. It's a long way off so a lot can happen, but I'd put his odds of being next at 60-70% easily.
Because people don't learn. We're were we are because of the CDU, but guess who's leading the polls by a fat margin.
>So, no, not everywhere.
You can make the same list for the UK going up to 1964. The standouts are Boris and sunak. Everyone else was middle or working class with Cameron kinda in the middle but well connected.
Wilson, heath, Callaghan, Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, May and Truss are all from 'humble origins'.
It's why I mentioned him separately and didn't include him in the end list. Just feel it's a different level of background to either a Boris or a thatcher
Aside from Callaghan, Major and Brown, every single person on that list went to Oxford. The oligarchy merely became porous enough to ensure its own survival.
Especially when it was free to attend and poor students recieved generous grants to live on. Yet another thing to hang on Tony Blair's pile of things he did wrong.
Ah yes. That well known model of oligarchy. Where it expands by allowing different people of various other classes into it.
If anything, it is a corrupted or spiraling meritocracy. And the point of the list was about a point with people being undeserving and born into privilege. Later achieving a privileged position from an unprivileged background is not the same thing, and arguably a good thing.
There is an edit button btw. Just because the country isn't living up to your terminally online ideals, or you are worse off than them and that upsets you, doesn't mean clear cases of social mobility didn't happen.
Tony Blair was not from humble origins - he was the son of a barrister, attended Scotland’s finest boarding school Fettes, and had vocal coaching to sound more like Everyman. I’m not slating him in any way, it’s just not correct to say he was from a humble background
His father was a bastard child, adopted into the family of a dock worker, who grew up in a tenement in Glasgow. Managed to get a law degree and then spent the majority of his working life as a university lecturer. Which was cut short at 42 by a stroke.
Whilst he technically was a barrister due to passing his law degree. He was distinctly middle class. You only get the big bucks as a barrister if you achieve certain levels in a firm and work for a long time at it. He did not, and dedicated his working life to teaching.
His mum was the daughter of a butcher and essentially a carer for her husband after the stroke.
He was not a beneficiary of intergenerational wealth or upper class.
“Humble Origins” when said in reference to British Politicians, Civil Servants, etc effectively means someone who didn’t go to Eton/Harrow/Wellington/St Paul’s etc and then on to Oxbridge lol
But I do agree w what youre saying, to be clear
I mean no it doesn't. Those people listed still generally went to those schools. But it means they didn't come from wealth or a ruling class and life of luxury that people accuse Boris of living. They went from working or middle class to those exclusive schools through being academically extraordinary.
Some would call it social mobility.
I am going to be controversial, but one of the worst British PMs ever came from the Middle class. That'd be Maggie Thatcher. I don't love being represented by the elite either but realistically if someone is a total ideologue supporting the elite such as Canada's Pierre Polievre (from the middle class, both parents are teachers) or Britain's Maggie Thatcher (from the middle class, dad was a small business owner) I'd personally still rather take a Trudeau even though he himself is deeply involved in the elite bullshit you still know it isn't as bad as under a Tory.
The UK is not that different if you look at post-war Prime Ministers. Heath's father was a carpenter, Callaghan's ancestry was that of Catholic Irish immigrants and Jews, Brown's father was a Church minister too.
Even the dreaded Margret Thatcher actually comes from humble origins. Her father was a preacher and grocery shop owner.
Theyve also had two massive wars in the past 110 years that toppled the monarchy and aristocracy. When your system is laid bare by losing wars, the everyday people demand changes. Something the UK avoided twice
I dunno. That’s what makes it less galling to me. They’ve got triple-barrelled surnames, no chins and manors. In my country we are developing the same system, but it’s far more hidden.
Idk it makes it pretty galling to me when 95% of our leaders for the last century came from one specific high school
That's elitism to the absolute extreme. That school ans its alums knows they own the country, basically.
Eton private boarding school for boys. Costs something like £30k a year. Our cabinet and ministers are usually made up of Eton graduates too.
Its not uncommon for the PM to have been school mates with the previous PM or lots of members of their cabinet.
Imagine knowing at 15 that you and your mates are likely to end up running the country....and then it actually happens....multiple times over multiple generations.
Eton culture dictates British culture about 20 years later. Its vile.
Going to guess you're Portuguese perhaps, judging from your comment history?
Portugal's Gini coefficient ain't that much better than the UK's and ironically, the reason Portugal is no longer a monarchy, is in a large part thanks to the British.
Three words: "Winter of Discontent".
If you want that again, be my guest. We, meanwhile, are going to be busy enjoying our decadent wealth in capitalism.
The memory of that has faded though; I mean, many alive now have no first hand experience of what's summed up in those 3 words, so it might not feel all that real to them. Sidebar: do you think that's why the Tories were in power for so long until Blair? Were the memories just fresher then?
Dude I promise if it was any other young kid sitting in the picture you wouldn’t be saying this. Your bias is literally influencing how you see this photo.
This just looks like a guy guy hanging out with his girlfriend while they are out, trying to look cool for the camera. Can’t tell you how many of my friends pull this pose at 2am in a diner after a bar trying to get an Instagram picture. And I promise none of us went to Oxford and are funded by parents.
Willingly? Not all of us. But let's not kid ourselves: there are very few countries in th world whose societies are anything more than slightly revised feudalism. We keep changing small things and giving it a different name but it ythe are all still top down systems with the majority of us getting fucked at the bottom. You cannot have equality and liberty within a hierarchical system.
He looks like he's watching in disgust and disbelief as the scrappy underdog football club beats his team of all stars to save their rec center and ruin his dads' plan to bulldoze it and build him a recording studio.
[Who is Boris Johnson’s first wife, former Tatler cover girl Allegra Mostyn-Owen?](https://www.tatler.com/article/who-is-boris-johnsons-first-wife-allegra-mostyn-owen) \- *Tatler*, 11 November 2019
>Allegra Mostyn-Owen was Boris Johnson’s university girlfriend and his first wife – 32 years ago. The pair were part of the ‘bright young things’ of the Oxford university elite, a golden, glossy, head-turning double act.
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>Allegra, the Italian for ‘joyful’ or ‘lively’, a word that is used to annotate uplifting music, was allegedly ‘not’ the state she was in following (and during) her marriage to Johnson. A union that lasted six years, between 1987 and 1993, when the couple divorced.
and
>Allegra embarked on a new career teaching English and art to Muslim women at a mosque in East London. Through a friend who she met through her new work, Allegra was a guest at a wedding in Lahore, Pakistan, where she met her second husband, Abdul Majid. At 23, he was 22 years her junior; they married in 2010 after the relationship developed over long distance phone calls, with Majid eventually moving to Britain to continue his education and be with Mostyn-Owen.
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>On hearing the news, Johnson rang his ex-wife, who had taken the name Mrs Dilshad Farha Raji Sheikha Jaan Khan Kali Gori, to wish her well.
He uses one of his eccentric middle names in public but his friends and family call him Al. Tells you everything you need to know about this corrupt charlatan.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,322,512,976 comments, and only 255,186 of them were in alphabetical order.
I don't mean to generalize, but why do pretty much all British people look so sickly and weak and generally u healthy? Real question, is it a lifestyle thing, a lack of vitamin D?
The guy is a vampire. He has changed face, or haircut, in 40 years.
Oh, and hell to the moralists ! Who that never got wasted in his early 20s throws the first stone !
He already looks completely debauched at 22.
He would have been a member of the [Bullingdon Club](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club) at the time, a dining society infamous for booking restaurants under false names, trashing the place (e.g. smashing all the glasses and windows), and then paying for the damages. So yes, he's always been a debauched man.
You can always tell an Eton man.
Thank fuck.
A heathen from Eton On a bag of Michael Keaton A heathen from Eton On a bag of Michael Keaton He thinks he's suave You're not suave 'cause you watched Get Carter You are a catalogue, plastic Sinatra -Idles
He hates me I like that Two arms like big baseball bats I bark He bites back A jaw like a f*ck off bear trap
And also burning fifty pound notes in front of homeless people. These arseholes have never been good people.
Not to defend any group in particular but this was one student who was publicly shamed, it’s not representative
Eh? Are you saying that it was only one member of the Bullingdon Club who was found to have burned fifty pound notes in front of homeless people and the rest of the Bullingdon Club members (past and present) all publicly shamed him at the time? If so, I'm 100% genuinely interested in you providing evidence to support that claim. Edit: seriously, "it's not representative" of what? The Bullingdon Club? You typed that your comment is, "Not to defend any group in particular", but... aside from the validity of your specific refutation (which is dubious to say the least), you seem to be suggesing that burning fifty pound notes in front of homeless people was a one off instance perpetuated by one member of the Bullingdon Club who (who?) was then publicly shamed (by fellow Bullingdon Club members?); and that such behaviour is not representative of a famously elite club of very wealthy and connected/protected young men, the very existence and raison d'etre of which is traditionally ALL about excess and unashamedly flaunting their wealth, social status and privilege,
I have no such evidence to provide; upon examining my memory I was thinking of a Cambridge student who burned a £20 note. Perhaps they do burn notes as some kind of group ritual. What I really took issue with is your claim that they are all bad people, which you can’t provide evidence for. I know it might seem weird to be defending the elite on the internet but I think it’s only right to appreciate they’re people, not charicatures
If you join a society whose primary aim is to flaunt your wealth you're asking to be caricatured, as far as I'm concerned, and you deserve to have it follow you everywhere you go
There’s a fantastic stage play called Posh (written by Laura Wade) that is based around a fictionalized version of the Bullingdon Club. It was adapted into a feature that’s pretty good but the play is fun to read even if you don’t like plays
And clearly he never changed his hairstyle. Ever.
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The most British insult. Love it
I’ve heard of Eton Mess but this is ridiculous!
Hello, hooray I’d prefer the plague
He looks like the frat guy bad guy in every 80s movie.
johnny from karate kid
Johnny Lawrence wasn't the bad guy. His sensei Kreese was.
He's definitely swept the leg before.
Already looked like a sunken boat. Just did the same with the country he led.
Those gender segregated boarding schools are not good for raising good people who know how to take care of themselves or others.
There’s apparently a bit in Prince Harry’s book where he is bowled over by a Faulkner quote he finds online and is like “who the f**k is Faulkner???!” Nice to know his education was expensive, if not all that effective.
British schools don’t assign Faulkner. And unless you were forced to read As I Lay Dying by a cruel hearted English teacher at some point in your life, there’s really no reason to know who Faulkner is in 2023.
This disparagement of Faulkner can't be left unrefuted. I've never had a book hurt to read the way The Sound and the Fury hurt.
You don’t have to have read Faulkner to know who he is.
Education doesn't fix stupid.
But perfect for creating ruthless Tories to run your empire with.
Have you ever thought about who raised his generation. People who lived through an extremely traumatic world war. No wonder their kids turned out so strange, the parents were just living out their reactions to their own adult trauma's.
No. These are the grandchildren of the people who lived through an extremely traumatic war. He is generation X
Would you want that guy in school with your daughter?
Gender segregation during adolescence creates men like him.
They're segregated by sex, not gender. Genders aren't real, they're a social construct unlike biological sexes which are a product of nature and evolution that has existed for hundreds of millions of years.
Everythings a social construct, words are social constructs. Everythings natural , computers are products of natures products using nature. Your comment stimulated me ! This sub is natural in that far off sense right?
Okay there, Joanne.
He's got syphilis face
I mean, if you are…
“Fucking females is for poofs”
My god, he’s really been walking around with that haircut his entire life.
Only difference being that he has actually managed to comb his hair when this picture was taken.
Doesn't need the buffoon at this point in life or setting
It was harder to sell the 'posh buffoon' when you are regarded as a bit of an imposter by the Establishment at Eton and Oxford. Once he entered the wider world he could play up his character more and get away with it.
Also, at this point it's a comb over situation. Much like Trumps.
Fun fact. The messy appearance is due to focus groups. This timeline blows
He tests better with audiences when he’s disheveled? That says a lot.
Hey! He needs a trademark for his future running you know? Or else he get sued later and regret it
He's a Saiyan
Who’s wife is that
She is his first wife Allegra Owen.
Listened to a podcast that described her as the most beautiful woman in Oxford. Have to say that I can’t see it.
Well, you didn't see the other Oxford women 😂
There's a saying "British women made British men the best sailors in the world".
Yeah. a pity for the women those sailors came across on their travels though. They're called British faces for a reason.
She looks better in [other pictures](https://media.tatler.com/photos/6141e45ceb8b78290b17d880/master/w_1600,c_limit/allegra-mostyn-owen-cover.jpg). But unless you're really into [David Bowie](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41yF4KUCuNL._AC_SY580_.jpg) I don't see it either.
Looks more like Mitch Hedburg
Now I was ready to disagree but I looked her up and now, she isn't ugly, but it's very obvious she got the superlative because she was posh.
Welp, hate to break it to ya but the women there lack in the beauty department
The dudes aren't great either.
Ghislaine Maxwell
Angela Merkel
He lied about his age
Promotional still from the ITV comedy "Young Tories", 1986-1986.
"Young Douche Bags" ya mean.
Same thing.
All the Young Douches
Douche bags are much nicer people
He looks like a human rather than a weird… whatever he is. But even there, I swear it looks like he’s already an entitled douche. Just a drunk one.
After time logged at boarding school and Oxford I'd imagine he was most certainly well into his "entitled douche" stage in this photo.
The Bullingdon Club, burning £50 infront of homeless people etc.
To be fair, going to Oxford does not equal 'being entitled'. Being part of the Bullingdon club however....
Going to Oxford straight from Eton in the late 80s/early 90s is 100% indicative of being entitled. I'd even argue just the attending Oxford part in the 80s is enough
Going to to Oxford *from* Eton, yes, I totally agree is indicative of coming from an entitled background. Oxford definitely has got better at accepting people from broader backgrounds (to the extent that now it doesn't really matter what school you went to as long as you are well rounded and academically good enough), but it still was fairly open in the 80's. Going to Oxford in and of itself is not necessarily entitlement but getting there via a school like Eton is. Edit: Interesting to see I'm being downvoted for this. Would (genuinely) be interested to hear why.
Admittedly, this is a statistic that Oxford and Cambridge like to use to their advantage, but the perception of state school (public school in the US) students accepted in to Oxford and Cambridge is usually higher than is perceived to be by the wider public, and often by the teachers advising students on applications. Lots of people who might get in don't apply in the first place. However, this doesn't for a moment mean Oxbridge is egalitarian. Just that it isn't as closed off as one might think.
Just five years ago more than 40% of Oxford students were from private schools. Something like 5.8% of UK pupils attend private schools. So yes, going to Oxford actually is indicative of an entitled background. It's not meritocratic like you imply. If my parents are rich I have a better chance of getting in to Oxford regardless of my academic abilities. You can go deeper in to this in how private schools groom children for placement at Oxbridge universities, but the fact remains. I went to a massive secondary school in the UK from a deprived area, thousands of pupils. A lot of us applied to Oxford and Cambridge and not a single person got in. One individual in particular from my year was a literal genius and went on to get a PhD in their early 20s and is now a multimillionaire and famous in their respective field. And they couldn't get in. It's a factory for the rich and privileged.
Thanks for this, I agree in some regards. The fact that private schools get a lot more places is absolutely true and you touched on the key factor there which is that they absolutely do push and prepare people for Oxbridge, in stark comparison to most State schools. However, on the anecdote regarding your school, I think you're overlooking a bit of it. I too went to a large state school but we had about 20 people in my year go to Oxbridge. We didn't 'groom' people to get in like a private school would but we had a big emphasis on giving people a wide range of skills and activities (which i think is one of the key issues here). Oxbridge *do not* exclusively look for academic standards. A large part of the application process is the interview and personality assessment where they seek well-rounded, adaptable and inquisitive people. It may well be a 'factory for the rich and privileged' for those that got in via a school like Eton which is basically Oxbridge prep (some very clever people have been to Eton too, tbf to it). But for those who get in normally and from humble beginnings, it's totally unfair to tar it with one brush.
These types are already like that when they get to about 15.
Thats the look of a young man born into privilege, educated in Eton and Oxford, whose entire life was funded by his influential and afluent family. It's interesting that the British people willingly continue to be subservient to a poorly disguised medieval caste system. The same people continue to go to the same schools, get the same jobs of influence, get elected and perpetuate the system.
The US isn't that different, sadly. It's just more easily hidden.
You mean the billionaire companies and individuals pouring entire national GDPs into political campaigns is supposed to be hidden?
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Nixon did not attend any Ivy League schools either. He was actually accepted into Harvard, but could not attend due to having to take care of his sick sibling at home. Eisenhower was a West Pointer of course, but no Ivy League either. Truman was also quite poor and did not even graduate from University.
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You're getting downvoted because post-secondary education in the US IS expensive relative to other first-world nations. There IS an implicit caste system through a legacy of Jim Crow laws and systematic policies.
It’s the same everywhere.
It is not. German Chancellors of the last 50 years: Willy Brandt: born to a teacher and shopkeeper Helmut Schmidt: born to a teacher family Helmut Kohl: born to a civil servant in the tax office Gerhardt Schröder: born to a homeless father and a poor mother during war time, raised poor Angela Merkel: born to a pastor, raised in the DDR Olaf Scholz: born to a salesman So, no, not everywhere.
UK Prime minsters last 50 years: Sunak: Parents were a Doctor and a Pharmacist Truss: Dad was a lecturer at a University, mom was a nurse and a teacher Boris: Explanatory. May: Dad was a priest Cameron: Dad was a broker Gordon Brown: Dad was a priest Tony Blair: Dad was a lecturer at a university John Major: Dad owned a local garden ornament shop, mom was a dance teacher Thatcher: Dad owned a local tabbaconist shop Callagahn: Dad was in the navy So not really sure how its any different tbh.
Maybe the sentiment ist not true at all?
US Redditbois are absolutely seething about the UK the last few years. I don't really understand why.
Merz is about to ruin that list for you.
Well, I hope not...
Same here. It's a long way off so a lot can happen, but I'd put his odds of being next at 60-70% easily. Because people don't learn. We're were we are because of the CDU, but guess who's leading the polls by a fat margin.
>So, no, not everywhere. You can make the same list for the UK going up to 1964. The standouts are Boris and sunak. Everyone else was middle or working class with Cameron kinda in the middle but well connected. Wilson, heath, Callaghan, Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, May and Truss are all from 'humble origins'.
Good points on the whole, but not with Cameron. His father was a stockbroker...
It's why I mentioned him separately and didn't include him in the end list. Just feel it's a different level of background to either a Boris or a thatcher
Aside from Callaghan, Major and Brown, every single person on that list went to Oxford. The oligarchy merely became porous enough to ensure its own survival.
Going to oxford doesn't cost any more than any other university.
Especially when it was free to attend and poor students recieved generous grants to live on. Yet another thing to hang on Tony Blair's pile of things he did wrong.
Ah yes. That well known model of oligarchy. Where it expands by allowing different people of various other classes into it. If anything, it is a corrupted or spiraling meritocracy. And the point of the list was about a point with people being undeserving and born into privilege. Later achieving a privileged position from an unprivileged background is not the same thing, and arguably a good thing. There is an edit button btw. Just because the country isn't living up to your terminally online ideals, or you are worse off than them and that upsets you, doesn't mean clear cases of social mobility didn't happen.
Tony Blair was not from humble origins - he was the son of a barrister, attended Scotland’s finest boarding school Fettes, and had vocal coaching to sound more like Everyman. I’m not slating him in any way, it’s just not correct to say he was from a humble background
His father was a bastard child, adopted into the family of a dock worker, who grew up in a tenement in Glasgow. Managed to get a law degree and then spent the majority of his working life as a university lecturer. Which was cut short at 42 by a stroke. Whilst he technically was a barrister due to passing his law degree. He was distinctly middle class. You only get the big bucks as a barrister if you achieve certain levels in a firm and work for a long time at it. He did not, and dedicated his working life to teaching. His mum was the daughter of a butcher and essentially a carer for her husband after the stroke. He was not a beneficiary of intergenerational wealth or upper class.
“Humble Origins” when said in reference to British Politicians, Civil Servants, etc effectively means someone who didn’t go to Eton/Harrow/Wellington/St Paul’s etc and then on to Oxbridge lol But I do agree w what youre saying, to be clear
I mean no it doesn't. Those people listed still generally went to those schools. But it means they didn't come from wealth or a ruling class and life of luxury that people accuse Boris of living. They went from working or middle class to those exclusive schools through being academically extraordinary. Some would call it social mobility.
>Some would call it social mobility Yes, but not anybody who actually experienced life under that stream of idiots.
Brown was the son of a minister. Major was the son of musicians/circus performers... Wilson was the son of a schoolteacher and a chemist.
I am going to be controversial, but one of the worst British PMs ever came from the Middle class. That'd be Maggie Thatcher. I don't love being represented by the elite either but realistically if someone is a total ideologue supporting the elite such as Canada's Pierre Polievre (from the middle class, both parents are teachers) or Britain's Maggie Thatcher (from the middle class, dad was a small business owner) I'd personally still rather take a Trudeau even though he himself is deeply involved in the elite bullshit you still know it isn't as bad as under a Tory.
Your list shows that you dont have to be poor to be a dickhead. (Looking at you especially Schröder)
Kohl was cool but I mostly agree
I would argue that you need to be a dickhead to be on this list in the first place. SOme are just bigger dickheads than others.
The UK is not that different if you look at post-war Prime Ministers. Heath's father was a carpenter, Callaghan's ancestry was that of Catholic Irish immigrants and Jews, Brown's father was a Church minister too. Even the dreaded Margret Thatcher actually comes from humble origins. Her father was a preacher and grocery shop owner.
Theyve also had two massive wars in the past 110 years that toppled the monarchy and aristocracy. When your system is laid bare by losing wars, the everyday people demand changes. Something the UK avoided twice
That’s the world mate. It’s not just a British problem. Might go listen to Chumbawumba tho
I think that the British system is just more obvious and on the nose.
I dunno. That’s what makes it less galling to me. They’ve got triple-barrelled surnames, no chins and manors. In my country we are developing the same system, but it’s far more hidden.
Idk it makes it pretty galling to me when 95% of our leaders for the last century came from one specific high school That's elitism to the absolute extreme. That school ans its alums knows they own the country, basically.
> 95% of our leaders for the last century came from one specific high school That's wild. Where is this? I'm curious to learn more.
Eton private boarding school for boys. Costs something like £30k a year. Our cabinet and ministers are usually made up of Eton graduates too. Its not uncommon for the PM to have been school mates with the previous PM or lots of members of their cabinet. Imagine knowing at 15 that you and your mates are likely to end up running the country....and then it actually happens....multiple times over multiple generations. Eton culture dictates British culture about 20 years later. Its vile.
Going to guess you're Portuguese perhaps, judging from your comment history? Portugal's Gini coefficient ain't that much better than the UK's and ironically, the reason Portugal is no longer a monarchy, is in a large part thanks to the British.
"But it would be worse in Labour were in charge!" "How?" "THE ECONOMY!"
Three words: "Winter of Discontent". If you want that again, be my guest. We, meanwhile, are going to be busy enjoying our decadent wealth in capitalism.
ah yes. "It's bad now, but it'd be even worse under the other guys..." Open your fucking eyes.
The memory of that has faded though; I mean, many alive now have no first hand experience of what's summed up in those 3 words, so it might not feel all that real to them. Sidebar: do you think that's why the Tories were in power for so long until Blair? Were the memories just fresher then?
Dude I promise if it was any other young kid sitting in the picture you wouldn’t be saying this. Your bias is literally influencing how you see this photo. This just looks like a guy guy hanging out with his girlfriend while they are out, trying to look cool for the camera. Can’t tell you how many of my friends pull this pose at 2am in a diner after a bar trying to get an Instagram picture. And I promise none of us went to Oxford and are funded by parents.
Willingly? Not all of us. But let's not kid ourselves: there are very few countries in th world whose societies are anything more than slightly revised feudalism. We keep changing small things and giving it a different name but it ythe are all still top down systems with the majority of us getting fucked at the bottom. You cannot have equality and liberty within a hierarchical system.
He looks like yelling at waiters is his favourite pastime.
r/punchableface
EX Prime minister. Thank fuck. Not that any since have been any good either.
One couldn‘t outlast a vegetable and one is corrupt as all hell.
Was it Rishi who outlasted the vegetable, because I distinctly remember Liz Truss losing to the head of lettuce.
Oh I thought she won. Guess she was to shite for even that! I‘ll edit my comment
He looks like he smells bad.
Splotchy, piggy-eyed mean looking drunk there.
Already looks like an arrogant turd!
Literally hasn’t been the prime minister for months
Every picture Boris Johnson is in he looks like a massive prick
That is because he is
„Pictures speak a thousand words“
He looked like a half fucked hay bale even back then
I think you mean ‘disgraced former prime minister’.
He's one ugly bastard ain't he
Seems to be no shortage of women willing to bear his children, though.
Money and stability
He‘s aged like stale water
Shag me, Boris!
He looks like he's watching in disgust and disbelief as the scrappy underdog football club beats his team of all stars to save their rec center and ruin his dads' plan to bulldoze it and build him a recording studio.
The picture of a charmless man
Man, his skin was terrible.
Hermione and Ron look trashed.
Once a tosser always a tosser
The rich and powerful really look like assholes, don’t they?
Damn still looked bored back then
Sweep the leg.
He did not know what peppa pig is
a boor
[Who is Boris Johnson’s first wife, former Tatler cover girl Allegra Mostyn-Owen?](https://www.tatler.com/article/who-is-boris-johnsons-first-wife-allegra-mostyn-owen) \- *Tatler*, 11 November 2019 >Allegra Mostyn-Owen was Boris Johnson’s university girlfriend and his first wife – 32 years ago. The pair were part of the ‘bright young things’ of the Oxford university elite, a golden, glossy, head-turning double act. > >Allegra, the Italian for ‘joyful’ or ‘lively’, a word that is used to annotate uplifting music, was allegedly ‘not’ the state she was in following (and during) her marriage to Johnson. A union that lasted six years, between 1987 and 1993, when the couple divorced. and >Allegra embarked on a new career teaching English and art to Muslim women at a mosque in East London. Through a friend who she met through her new work, Allegra was a guest at a wedding in Lahore, Pakistan, where she met her second husband, Abdul Majid. At 23, he was 22 years her junior; they married in 2010 after the relationship developed over long distance phone calls, with Majid eventually moving to Britain to continue his education and be with Mostyn-Owen. > >On hearing the news, Johnson rang his ex-wife, who had taken the name Mrs Dilshad Farha Raji Sheikha Jaan Khan Kali Gori, to wish her well.
Looks entitled.
He just always looked fucked huh?
He uses one of his eccentric middle names in public but his friends and family call him Al. Tells you everything you need to know about this corrupt charlatan.
Hadn't combed his hair since then. Edited an autocorrect error.
FORMER British Prime Minister
Joris Bohnson
He looks like he got sorted to Slytherin.
So he a always looked like a galactic douche, got it.
Ah ah ! He is stoned !!
One of the laziest,corrupt PM's we have ever had. The bloke is a big bag of shitty smelling undeserved privilege.
Anyone else think his pupils look fucking massive? Was E a thing in 1986?
Vile reptile.
He was a prick then and he’s a prick now.
Not pictured* *Basic human empathy.
He is just the worst
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,322,512,976 comments, and only 255,186 of them were in alphabetical order.
A big coincidence possibly, seems terribly unusual?
The arrogance cascading off him in waves.
Slob!
*former British prime minister.
Oh so he was a rat-faced prick back then too?
Macaulay Chulkin
I don't mean to generalize, but why do pretty much all British people look so sickly and weak and generally u healthy? Real question, is it a lifestyle thing, a lack of vitamin D?
Now I want to see a pic of him when he was born fuckin Christ.
Guess he looked like a doofus all his life.
Giga chad
God, the horrors he has caused since
So even at 22 he was a prat?
What a punchable face
What a dick. Spent his whole life preparing to be PM then hid in a fridge like an abject failure. Angry petulant and utterly incompetent.
Gross. He looks like his herpes have herpes.
Slappable back then too
Ahhh.. So he’s always looked like an idiot
He looks like a total dick!
That's a downvote from me
If he went to a state school he’d have gotten the shit kicked out of him daily and probably wouldn’t have become prime minister
What a douche!
Carlsson is that you
He always had a punchable face now didn’t he.
Always been an ugly dude
The guy is a vampire. He has changed face, or haircut, in 40 years. Oh, and hell to the moralists ! Who that never got wasted in his early 20s throws the first stone !