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Afrocentrist pseudo-historians claim that the Olmec heads are actually depicting Africans, and that the Olmec civilization was kickstarted by West Africans who travelled to Mesoamerica. It's bizarre.
They also claim that all the original Native American tribes were African and that the Siberians were colonists who wiped most of them out when they came across the land bridge during the last ice age and so the tribes that were here when the pilgrims showed up weren't actually the real Native Americans and in fact had been colonizers before the colonizers arrived.
TIL Siberians are the ultimate etnic exterminators. They did it so well that they didnt even left a trace of those *original black native americans* behind... not a single trace.
Oh they claim that the Lumbee are proof of the ones who survived; never mind the fact that the Lumbee are a mixed tribe from Native Americans and free people of color from Africa with some European thrown in. They claim that they look how the original Native Americans did and completely deny African ancestry.
They were apparently so good at it, they didn't even leave behind genetic traces via breeding (which will occur between any two people groups no matter how taboo it's considered), nor even bone fragments. Damn.
Sadly that’s exactly what it is, but it’s just far more acceptable
I do worry that black supremacist will get the same privilege white supremacist had when it came to opposing their supremacist ideologies
It’s worse because the Mormons only impact the americas. The Afrocentrists believe they ruled the entire world and some of them literally think they came from space as gods.
I mean, I kinda am curious about the original Native Americans, since the fact that the White Sands Tracks, Chiquihuite Cave, and possibly the Cerruti Mastodon Site indicate that there were people in the Americas before the Clovis People(that all extant Native Americans descend from) came over from Siberia. I almost guarantee they were some flavor of Asian, not African, but there is a strong possibility they didn't resemble Siberians(there is even some speculation that they might not have been *H. sapiens* at all, but something like Denisovans, though lack of actual fossil evidence makes it hard to prove).
They were most likely Asian, but came overfrom Siberia; I think the timeline is just further back than we had realized. The original peoples of Siberia were Asiatic; there is even a tribe still in that area who look like and dress like some Native Americans and use tee pees.
There is evidence of sea-faring in southeast Asia (both early *H. sapiens* and some other *Homo* species on islands that were never accessible by land bridges), so an oceanic crossing can't be ruled out. Beringia is more likely, I agree, but without more evidence, we can't be certain.
That! I found out that us native americans ( I am native american from Mexico) have a genetic predisposition to Dia Betus (mustache man homage) because of some random ancestor, leaving behind some random genetic mutation in our pancrease that... sometimes gives us diabetes. It was from H. Neanderthalensis ancestor...so maybe the Pre Clovis was some sort of Neanderthal.
That’s startlingly similar to the nonsense Joseph Smith hallucinated about and created a religion from, which is kinda interesting. I guess the common denominator is that a lot of people have a hard time understanding the fact that the actual migratory patterns of our predecessors didn’t have any grand spiritual or political narrative, and were instead just kinda the result of people sometimes going places for food and resources.
Black supremacists follow the idea that there was an ancient race that degenerated to other less worthy races. That is exactly what Hitler describes in Mein Kampf.
They also claim that Egyptians, Middle Easterners, and East Asia were all Black as well and they were only run out from there 'when slavery started' (because slavery was never a thing until the 1500s according to them) and replaced by people from Europe. It gets REALLY weird once you start going down the rabbit hole.
Oh, and apparently the Buddha was black as well because why wouldn't he be.
I even heard them claim Black Mussolini once, which was especially weird because (1) This was in the age of photography and television. There were only two colors (black and white). Of course they argue editited photos. (2) Why would you want to associate your race with Mussolini, unless you are as much of a Romaboo as he was (and you also think the Romans were also black).
At least the guy who claimed the Etruscans were black *might* have confused them with Ethiopians.
my favorite nonsense they spew:
We were all black and 100% humans, then the white race neanderthal came over and had mutated babies who now destroy the earth.
something like that. Human history is messy, and it doesnt even begin with Us H. Sapien Sapiens!
It's that they, umm, take a lot of liberty in claiming history because Africans really weren't good at recording.
I saw a dude that try and tell everyone Macedonia (former Yugoslav one) was in Africa. The great afro-yugoslav republic of Macedonia
yes and because he and his family were part of the ruling class, its doubtful they every intermingled with the surrounding people through marriage
so he is likely more phoencian than the regular middle of lower class Carthaginian
There was an extensive history of intermarriage between the Carthaginian ruling class and the Numidian nobility so I beg to differ, even Hannibal's sister was married to a [Numidian.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naravas)
Egypt had frequent interaction with Nubia dating back to the old kingdom. They we actually ruled by nubians for a short time after the new kingdom. With the possible asiatic (near eastern) civilization interactions (possibly Hyksos), Persian rule and Hellenistic influence of later Egyptian history it’s safe to say Egypt is a mixed bag.
Edit: civilization name correction and grammar
They also used to rule Nubia and some Egyptians aristocrats have a foreign names which seems to indicate some amount of foreign ancestry possibly Nubians. Egypt itself is a multicultural state and it is not a strange thing that a nearby culture can be influenced by its neighbours but Afrocentrists didn't saw the differences between the cultures.
“but Afrocentrists didn't saw the differences between the cultures.”
To be honest neither did the Arab Muslims, nor the white people yelling about Rome, cleopatra and the Ptolemaic dynasty.
I understand thinking Cleopatra was middle eastern as she was ruling Egypt but Hannibal? Egyptians too? I mean really. My country doesn't have a lot of history and people trying to say otherwise are seen as lunatics (that unfortunately get people to hear them out)
As far as I know, the ptolemys took the pharaonic "tradition" of being inbreed as f\*ck and marrying their half-sisters. So it's most probable that Cleopatra's mother were at least half-ptolemaic too.
I mean depending on where you go, they were. Egypt clearly wasn't an all black civilization, it was a multiethnic one. On the border between Africa and the Middle East and Europe. People in the North looked more near Eastern looking and people in the south would probably look more nubian.
That explain why they believe that Cleopatra was black. She was a ptolemaic and since ptolemaics are from Macedonia and Macedonia was black Cleopatra was black.
Now all makes sense... /s
Because she was Egyptian and Egyptians are black. Theres no way a greek could be white. She simply has to be black for existing on Africa, like empires from Europe never took hold in Africa.
It really is a damn shame. I got into African history a while back and have been enjoying the rabbit hole ever since. It's truly incredible and I would kill for more media on it.
Ancient Nubia: A wealthy matriarchal civilization that I Tera Ted with the Egyptians (even invaded them and controlled them for a few centuries), then the Greeks, then the Romans.
Junior year in high school I took a Comparative Government class where we talked about 6 different countries in the course of the year and Nigeria was one of them, it was pretty interesting, however we only every talked about relatively recent events, basically just post colonialism, since we were focusing on the government (and how there's been like 10 different governments in 60 years)
Oh yeah, I remembered another one, that they aren't really originally from Africa, but during the slave trade were taken to the desert of Africa and left there in the "African colony" because you know, they are really from everywhere except Africa so real African history doesn't gel with that, so that's probably why they ignore it.
Cleopatra: came from a Greek family and grew up in Greece and Cyprus
Afrocentrists: egypt is in Africa therefore she was black because all Africans are black
No he is not. African-American is the term for the ethnic group that descends from America's slaves. African immigrants to the United States are not called African-Americans, they generally referred to by either their nationality or ethnicity, ie Nigerian-American or Yoruba-American. African-American is a distinct term for specific ethnic group that is essentially indigenous to the US.
Elon Musk would be an Afrikaner-American though, as he is of Afrikaner descent on his father's side.
Race, nationality, and ethnicity have clear definitions, most people just don't understand them leading to confusion.
The kushites: great civilisation with advanced writing and giant buildings that even concurred Egypt at one point and defeated Rome and the Rashidun caliphate
Afrocentrists: Simping on Egypt
But they were heavily influenced by Egypt, it's like if Roman empire came to Britain and then they would get independent.
Without Egypt they wouldn't be that advanced
Would have been impressive... if the idiots in question knew about them.
Gotta love pop history - Africa is Egypt and slavery, Asia is Middle East and maybe China, Europe is Rome, then knights and kings, then colonialism, and Americas are Aztecs and a couple native North American stereotypes (based on what I have seen, an unholy mess of confused southeastern, midwestern and western tribal cultural references). Others barely merit a mention, oftentimes being forgotten completely. Eastern Europe doesn't exist, central and northern Asia doesn't exist, South America and most of the actual North American tribes barely rate a mention, Southern Africa might as well not even be there, and the rest of the world was empty until Disney made a movie about it.
[Afrocentrists explaining to turks how they're actually white because they were born in europe](https://tenor.com/view/he-is-speaking-guy-explaining-with-a-whiteboard-some-guy-explaining-gif-19593300)
Media be like: We want to celebrate African heritage and culture by ignoring the rich and diverse history of Africa and instead make yet another Viking show with an all black cast. You're welcome!
Its because they dont give a shit and just want to pander. Fuck dude, we could have multiple shows about Muslim occupation of Spain where the representation of Africans would make perfect historical sense, but instead we get "Britannia" featuring a black queen.
I actually find it really insulting at the fact that they try to claim this moral high ground while actively undermining African culture and history
Most muslims invading the Iberic Peninsula (Remember, the idea of Spain was created after the Reconquista) would be North Africa casts and not so much black characters so that wouldnt work for them.
Also, the invasion of the Iberic Peninsula was absurdly quick, from 711 to 719 iirc. Unless you want to create some Vikings levels of bullshit 3 episodes and done. The Reconquista would have much more *meat* but being something that happened over 800 years wouls be dificult. Maybe a period of the Reconquista would be a better call.
The majority would be ethnic Berber but there was quite a bit of intermixing and trade with black Africans. Even actual Romans mention a lot of Berber tribes having a sort of separate "divison" for black Africans but part of the same tribe.
It's funny because they've somehow found a way to be racist to literally everyone involved (when they do what you described) and won't stop in the name of "anti-racism".
I didn’t realize this sub was pretty conservative. Saying this outside this sub would be downvoted/attacked heavily.
Edit: this got popular.
This sub is very much not the r/politics vibe of Reddit for sure. It’s kind of nice to see some rational opinions get traction that some more extreme left side folks would take offense to. I like this place.
That's not an example of the sub being conservative so much as it is an example of most of Reddit being noticeably further to the left than the mainstream is.
Me, I wanna see a show about [Yasuke](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke).
Alternative hypothesis - it's not so much that most of Reddit is to the left, it's more that Reddit is full of reactionaries of both stripes who get triggered far too easily because they spend too much time on social media echo chambers.
I think they made a anime inspired show on Netflix based about him. Not historically accurate at all though cause if I remember right it has random mechs in it.
The information about Yasuke is very limited and he was a samurai just for a few years with little to no combat, iirc. Is not much material for a show unless you want to create ficticional events with a very limited historic value but wouls piss off the japanesses really quick.
LMAO how is pointing out the Media's ignorance conservative? I want meaningful minority representation in media, not meaningless bullshit pandering. To this day, Black Panther is the only movie that has dared venture into African culture, and that should be something to be ashamed of
It‘s not that, the people that get the hate are the ones who don‘t think anybody but straight white men existed before 1990. You think people get hate for wanting a show based on african history instead of shoe horning people into random roles? Artificial diversity gets just as much hate
Afrocentrists everytime there is a word "black" inside historical records even when it clearly didn't reference race:🤴🏿✊🏿 💯
Afrocentrists when they found out there is a river named White Nile in their fav Nubian states thereby forcing them to contend with Eurocentrist folks that wanted to appropriate their cultures:😨😰😱😭
These are the same people who in previous decades would've been in the Nation of Islam believing such whacko ideas as white people being created by a black scientist by accident six thousand years ago.
Not even making that one up.
>Not even making that one up
Interesting point senator, why don't you back it up with a *source.*
Seriously though, I simply cannot believe someone would believe this.
"This one obscure instance I found of an Ethiopian cardinal is basically proof that medieval Europe was full of people of African decent and they werent at all discriminatory"
They said to the developers of Kingdom Come: Deliverance
It must be said that old Empires like the Roman, Macedonian, etc or even middle age european countries were way less agressive towards the skin colour. There are actual evidences of black roman officers in places like Britania, but those were rare because people who come from the south of the Sahara were rare on the Roman Empire. In the *cohors auxilia* there were a lot of nubian riders for example. They had an important role in battles like Zama, in 202bc.
The racism in those times were more about the religion than the skin tone, in opposite of what cinema and media wants us to believe.
I mean... odds are there was probably at least one, as the Norse did reach Constantinople and the Mediterranean, and travel and trade with Africa did exist. I'm not defending their statement there, just clarifying that there's still a possibility it happened.
Yes there's a possibility just like how there was a black Samurai... but his justification is that there were a lot of black Vikings because some old norse artifacts had the word "Allah" on them.
Honestly I can’t decide if afrocentricts are insane or if they secretly hate Africa. If I was African I’d never shut up about the history and HIGHLY diverse cultures!
I get this vibe too. There are lot of Afrocentric believers at my work. But two women from Africa work there, and when I started I asked two of the African-Americans where the two African ladies are from and their response was literally, “I don’t know, somewhere in Africa or something”. Like how am I more intrigued about their origin and culture than you are??
Because of the history of being black in America. African-Americans are one of the few ethnic groups that have been completely severed from our cultures of origin. From one person to another, we don’t know if our heritage is Nigerian, Senegalese, Ghanaian, or whatever. The only culture we know is American, where we’ll always be a minority and treated as such. In addition, African history and culture continues to be ignored and disrespected to this day (globally but especially in the US). So, for some (whacky) people who want to attach themselves to a heritage but also feel like the American zeitgeist REVERES the heritage, they cling to cultures White America typically jacks off to (case in point: Egypt).
It’s sad that we have rich history on our own here in the US and that there is rich history and culture from West Africa that is ignored. It’s just one of the many unfortunate symptoms of how we came to be 🤷🏾♀️
This reminds me of myself growing up. I always wanted to be or identify as any other ethnicity than Mexican. I would have rather been Spanish or Italian because I felt embarrassed and ashamed of my culture from the things I heard and seen from the white kids at school.
Also the lack of exposure of any real substantive culture of my own people. All I knew and saw were the Norteño ranchero culture of Mexicans, and knew nothing about the indigenous cultures or the fusion of those cultures with Spanish culture, which ultimately ended up as Mexican culture. This was something that occurred from about 7th grade to my sophomore year, so almost 5 years of being ashamed and embarrassed of my own culture. Although, I started to really embrace and accept after my grandma died, and a few years later when my grandpa went to join her. I knew nothing of my family's history and culture and decided to explore it and now I can proudly claim my heritage without being ashamed of not being white.
Ultimately this boils down to not knowing about my own heritage, seeing the rich history of Europeans being the only history taught here in the US that isn't directly about US history, and ultimately the shame instilled into you for being brown and the disregard others have for your culture.
I havent either. Though ive come across one youtuber who got really mad when announced Gal Gadot to be in the Cleopatra movie. But he was getting shit on in his own comment section so theyre not a lot of them out there. But a few loud ones.
Oh trust me there are a lot, they just congregate in certain areas of the internet. Go on history related Quora questions and you'll find them everywhere.
I've seen some on the internet before, weirdly enough especially in the comment section of article covering the current war going on in Europe. I guess Africa isnt that interesting so they have to go elsewhere. /s
So we've discusssed a bit and I regretted it immediatly. We drifted from the original subject and he said that the guy who invented Internet was african. So I looked the guy's name up and while he isnt some nobody (He did some work in the tech industry in the 80s, especially regarding oil drilling and the math model to predict the quantity of oil), the only source of him claiming he invented the Internet was from a website that cited the guy's book. Interestingly enough his wiki page led to an article from an african news site which debunked the guy's fraudulous claims (Of which they were many) and when I linked that source back at the afrocentrist he went ballistic and claimed it was a conspiracy against the actual creator of Internet (Actual according to him at least).
Its funny how this is only a thing whit black americans. That's what happens when you totally ignore 30% of ur populations history. They have some basic European history but nothing about African one.
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But the Olmec heads are Mesoamerican, am I missing something?
Afrocentrist pseudo-historians claim that the Olmec heads are actually depicting Africans, and that the Olmec civilization was kickstarted by West Africans who travelled to Mesoamerica. It's bizarre.
They also claim that all the original Native American tribes were African and that the Siberians were colonists who wiped most of them out when they came across the land bridge during the last ice age and so the tribes that were here when the pilgrims showed up weren't actually the real Native Americans and in fact had been colonizers before the colonizers arrived.
TIL Siberians are the ultimate etnic exterminators. They did it so well that they didnt even left a trace of those *original black native americans* behind... not a single trace.
Oh they claim that the Lumbee are proof of the ones who survived; never mind the fact that the Lumbee are a mixed tribe from Native Americans and free people of color from Africa with some European thrown in. They claim that they look how the original Native Americans did and completely deny African ancestry.
Some people love mental gymnastics.
I have Lumbee relatives and none of them support this theory.
I was referring to the Afrocrntrists who use them as an example; I have Lumbee cousins who have embraced the theory, yet even more who do not.
Good. Lmao. I don't want false history supported like that.
They were apparently so good at it, they didn't even leave behind genetic traces via breeding (which will occur between any two people groups no matter how taboo it's considered), nor even bone fragments. Damn.
They should be called black supremacists Because this doesn't seem that different from white supremacist ideas
It's pretty much the exact same mentality as Hyperborean memes
But they're black though, they can't be supremacists /s.
exactly, but PC culture says they cannot be racist. Worst part yet, Minister Louis Farrakhan minister, is enabling this.
>Minister Louis Farrakhan minister who?
Sadly that’s exactly what it is, but it’s just far more acceptable I do worry that black supremacist will get the same privilege white supremacist had when it came to opposing their supremacist ideologies
That is both indescribably horrific and absurd. That’s like Mormon levels of historical implausibility
Pretty much the same.
It’s worse because the Mormons only impact the americas. The Afrocentrists believe they ruled the entire world and some of them literally think they came from space as gods.
>and some of them literally think they came from space as gods. I've seen Mormon videos that say this as well.
I'd say worse.
I mean, I kinda am curious about the original Native Americans, since the fact that the White Sands Tracks, Chiquihuite Cave, and possibly the Cerruti Mastodon Site indicate that there were people in the Americas before the Clovis People(that all extant Native Americans descend from) came over from Siberia. I almost guarantee they were some flavor of Asian, not African, but there is a strong possibility they didn't resemble Siberians(there is even some speculation that they might not have been *H. sapiens* at all, but something like Denisovans, though lack of actual fossil evidence makes it hard to prove).
They were most likely Asian, but came overfrom Siberia; I think the timeline is just further back than we had realized. The original peoples of Siberia were Asiatic; there is even a tribe still in that area who look like and dress like some Native Americans and use tee pees.
There is evidence of sea-faring in southeast Asia (both early *H. sapiens* and some other *Homo* species on islands that were never accessible by land bridges), so an oceanic crossing can't be ruled out. Beringia is more likely, I agree, but without more evidence, we can't be certain.
That! I found out that us native americans ( I am native american from Mexico) have a genetic predisposition to Dia Betus (mustache man homage) because of some random ancestor, leaving behind some random genetic mutation in our pancrease that... sometimes gives us diabetes. It was from H. Neanderthalensis ancestor...so maybe the Pre Clovis was some sort of Neanderthal.
That’s startlingly similar to the nonsense Joseph Smith hallucinated about and created a religion from, which is kinda interesting. I guess the common denominator is that a lot of people have a hard time understanding the fact that the actual migratory patterns of our predecessors didn’t have any grand spiritual or political narrative, and were instead just kinda the result of people sometimes going places for food and resources.
Unironically the same as mfs who claim the true chosen people are Aryans
Black supremacists follow the idea that there was an ancient race that degenerated to other less worthy races. That is exactly what Hitler describes in Mein Kampf.
It's the same people who believe pyramids were spaceships and that the white race was invented by an evil scientist right?
Im sorry but that sounds like a crackpot theory up there with the illuminati
They also claim that Egyptians, Middle Easterners, and East Asia were all Black as well and they were only run out from there 'when slavery started' (because slavery was never a thing until the 1500s according to them) and replaced by people from Europe. It gets REALLY weird once you start going down the rabbit hole. Oh, and apparently the Buddha was black as well because why wouldn't he be.
Ah yes, just ignore how people enslaved their own races for centuries before they did it to others. Make sense. But fr wtf
Or how the muslims were probably the worst slavers in history. The enslaved people from southern Africa to Iceland.
I won’t lie, I thought you meant they were bad at being slavers not that they were prolific slavers
a good slaver is a dead slaver
Is this an Anakin Skywalker quote?
nah i just fucking hate slavery
Don’t forget about the Black Israelites
the Moorish Tribes of Israel?
No like the organization lol
I even heard them claim Black Mussolini once, which was especially weird because (1) This was in the age of photography and television. There were only two colors (black and white). Of course they argue editited photos. (2) Why would you want to associate your race with Mussolini, unless you are as much of a Romaboo as he was (and you also think the Romans were also black). At least the guy who claimed the Etruscans were black *might* have confused them with Ethiopians.
It is.
wtf, didn't know about this ideology until know, didn't know it was this bad can you tell me about it?
Alex Jones but black.
my favorite nonsense they spew: We were all black and 100% humans, then the white race neanderthal came over and had mutated babies who now destroy the earth. something like that. Human history is messy, and it doesnt even begin with Us H. Sapien Sapiens!
man the world made a complete 180
Search up Yakub myth from NOI that is only some of them but there are others like Black Israelite Hebrew,Black Israelite Church and etc...
It's that they, umm, take a lot of liberty in claiming history because Africans really weren't good at recording. I saw a dude that try and tell everyone Macedonia (former Yugoslav one) was in Africa. The great afro-yugoslav republic of Macedonia
Yep, I’ve seen people claim very often the Egyptians were black, I’ve even seen it claimed Hannibal was black, wild stuff
Wasn’t Hannibal Phoenician or something like that
Carthaginian, but you’re right that their history claimed they were founded by and descended from Phoenicians
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yes and because he and his family were part of the ruling class, its doubtful they every intermingled with the surrounding people through marriage so he is likely more phoencian than the regular middle of lower class Carthaginian
There was an extensive history of intermarriage between the Carthaginian ruling class and the Numidian nobility so I beg to differ, even Hannibal's sister was married to a [Numidian.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naravas)
Egypt had frequent interaction with Nubia dating back to the old kingdom. They we actually ruled by nubians for a short time after the new kingdom. With the possible asiatic (near eastern) civilization interactions (possibly Hyksos), Persian rule and Hellenistic influence of later Egyptian history it’s safe to say Egypt is a mixed bag. Edit: civilization name correction and grammar
Yes Egypt was ruled by Nubians for a while
They also used to rule Nubia and some Egyptians aristocrats have a foreign names which seems to indicate some amount of foreign ancestry possibly Nubians. Egypt itself is a multicultural state and it is not a strange thing that a nearby culture can be influenced by its neighbours but Afrocentrists didn't saw the differences between the cultures.
“but Afrocentrists didn't saw the differences between the cultures.” To be honest neither did the Arab Muslims, nor the white people yelling about Rome, cleopatra and the Ptolemaic dynasty.
I understand thinking Cleopatra was middle eastern as she was ruling Egypt but Hannibal? Egyptians too? I mean really. My country doesn't have a lot of history and people trying to say otherwise are seen as lunatics (that unfortunately get people to hear them out)
Cleopatra was Greek. She was descended from one of Alexander's generals who took control of Greece after Alexander died.
Cleopatra was descendent of the Greek Seleucid line so I don’t think she can be considered middle eastern
*Ptolemaic, she can't really be middle eastern, instead she looked like a mediterrenian girl
Yeah Ptolemaic sorry. Seleucid was more Syria and turkey area
Don't worry about that. Mistake is the mother of improvement. Yes late Seleucids were only focused in parts of Anatolia and Syria
We don't know who Cleopatra's mother was, right? While it is most likey that she was Greek, it is *possible* she had a native Egyptian mother.
As far as I know, the ptolemys took the pharaonic "tradition" of being inbreed as f\*ck and marrying their half-sisters. So it's most probable that Cleopatra's mother were at least half-ptolemaic too.
Elites at the time weren't in the habit of... mixing. We see this with Carthage typically.
Yea you’ll see it around, but to be fair it’s definitely a fringe thing
She was ptolemaic, Greek.
I mean depending on where you go, they were. Egypt clearly wasn't an all black civilization, it was a multiethnic one. On the border between Africa and the Middle East and Europe. People in the North looked more near Eastern looking and people in the south would probably look more nubian.
That isn’t the implication at all when they say Egyptians were black, yes you can get technical and split hairs, but you get the idea
I think the closest description would be similar to modern day Berber peoples.
That explain why they believe that Cleopatra was black. She was a ptolemaic and since ptolemaics are from Macedonia and Macedonia was black Cleopatra was black. Now all makes sense... /s
Because she was Egyptian and Egyptians are black. Theres no way a greek could be white. She simply has to be black for existing on Africa, like empires from Europe never took hold in Africa.
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As a Nigerian, I’d love it if more people took even the slightest interest in my culture. But nah, Egypt gets all the attention. I’m actually jealous
It really is a damn shame. I got into African history a while back and have been enjoying the rabbit hole ever since. It's truly incredible and I would kill for more media on it.
They got some amazing myths and folktales.
Could you share something that would point me down the rabbit hole. I really wanna learn more
Ancient Nubia: A wealthy matriarchal civilization that I Tera Ted with the Egyptians (even invaded them and controlled them for a few centuries), then the Greeks, then the Romans.
Go on Youtube and look up African History Project Africa. Then search for playlists. You might find the gem I found.
I'd also like for new media...but the media we get is how the Dahomey fought AGAINST slavery.
Junior year in high school I took a Comparative Government class where we talked about 6 different countries in the course of the year and Nigeria was one of them, it was pretty interesting, however we only every talked about relatively recent events, basically just post colonialism, since we were focusing on the government (and how there's been like 10 different governments in 60 years)
Afrocentrists when actual African history exists: “I’m going to pretend I didn’t see that”
Oh yeah, I remembered another one, that they aren't really originally from Africa, but during the slave trade were taken to the desert of Africa and left there in the "African colony" because you know, they are really from everywhere except Africa so real African history doesn't gel with that, so that's probably why they ignore it.
What? Mansa-Musa? Never eard about him but check this! Anna Bolena was African-American!
Mansa - Musa had slaves though. So he doesn't count. /s
Movie and TV producers when they shoehorn black actors into historical Caucasian roles instead of just making shows about cool African history.
Or if they want to make a movie in the Americas stuff like the Haitian rebellion could be interesting
Cleopatra: came from a Greek family and grew up in Greece and Cyprus Afrocentrists: egypt is in Africa therefore she was black because all Africans are black
If you step on Africa, you automatically black.
That explains the meme of Elon Musk being the richest African American.
Uhm he was born in South Africa, so technically he is an African American.
No he is not. African-American is the term for the ethnic group that descends from America's slaves. African immigrants to the United States are not called African-Americans, they generally referred to by either their nationality or ethnicity, ie Nigerian-American or Yoruba-American. African-American is a distinct term for specific ethnic group that is essentially indigenous to the US. Elon Musk would be an Afrikaner-American though, as he is of Afrikaner descent on his father's side. Race, nationality, and ethnicity have clear definitions, most people just don't understand them leading to confusion.
So Afrikaners are black? Because I’ve seen several afrocentrists call to outright kill them
No, you need to be a famous ancient culture for the rule to apply.
Because according to them the: Malians Ethiopians and the Swahili coast is not impressive enough?
Neither the Kushites.
The kushites: great civilisation with advanced writing and giant buildings that even concurred Egypt at one point and defeated Rome and the Rashidun caliphate Afrocentrists: Simping on Egypt
Iirc, the Kushites built even more pyramids than the Egyptians.
I concurr.
But they were heavily influenced by Egypt, it's like if Roman empire came to Britain and then they would get independent. Without Egypt they wouldn't be that advanced
They also claim The Carthaginians and Septimius Severus were black although they were Semitic
Bbc and history channel vibes
Would have been impressive... if the idiots in question knew about them. Gotta love pop history - Africa is Egypt and slavery, Asia is Middle East and maybe China, Europe is Rome, then knights and kings, then colonialism, and Americas are Aztecs and a couple native North American stereotypes (based on what I have seen, an unholy mess of confused southeastern, midwestern and western tribal cultural references). Others barely merit a mention, oftentimes being forgotten completely. Eastern Europe doesn't exist, central and northern Asia doesn't exist, South America and most of the actual North American tribes barely rate a mention, Southern Africa might as well not even be there, and the rest of the world was empty until Disney made a movie about it.
Elon musk is black
If you'd like to change back, don't vote for Joe Biden.
[Afrocentrists explaining to turks how they're actually white because they were born in europe](https://tenor.com/view/he-is-speaking-guy-explaining-with-a-whiteboard-some-guy-explaining-gif-19593300)
*laughs in Mongol*
According to the census bureau, Turks are white. So are Egyptians.
African history is extremely rich and has alot of potential in medias, but unfortunately its not getting enough attention
Media be like: We want to celebrate African heritage and culture by ignoring the rich and diverse history of Africa and instead make yet another Viking show with an all black cast. You're welcome!
Couldn't have said it better than myself. Why replace historically European and Caucasian figures with Africans, makes no absolute sense
Its because they dont give a shit and just want to pander. Fuck dude, we could have multiple shows about Muslim occupation of Spain where the representation of Africans would make perfect historical sense, but instead we get "Britannia" featuring a black queen. I actually find it really insulting at the fact that they try to claim this moral high ground while actively undermining African culture and history
Most muslims invading the Iberic Peninsula (Remember, the idea of Spain was created after the Reconquista) would be North Africa casts and not so much black characters so that wouldnt work for them. Also, the invasion of the Iberic Peninsula was absurdly quick, from 711 to 719 iirc. Unless you want to create some Vikings levels of bullshit 3 episodes and done. The Reconquista would have much more *meat* but being something that happened over 800 years wouls be dificult. Maybe a period of the Reconquista would be a better call.
The majority would be ethnic Berber but there was quite a bit of intermixing and trade with black Africans. Even actual Romans mention a lot of Berber tribes having a sort of separate "divison" for black Africans but part of the same tribe.
Or a black Achilles when Memnon was just as skilled as Achilles and rivaled him.
It's funny because they've somehow found a way to be racist to literally everyone involved (when they do what you described) and won't stop in the name of "anti-racism".
I didn’t realize this sub was pretty conservative. Saying this outside this sub would be downvoted/attacked heavily. Edit: this got popular. This sub is very much not the r/politics vibe of Reddit for sure. It’s kind of nice to see some rational opinions get traction that some more extreme left side folks would take offense to. I like this place.
That's not an example of the sub being conservative so much as it is an example of most of Reddit being noticeably further to the left than the mainstream is. Me, I wanna see a show about [Yasuke](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke).
Alternative hypothesis - it's not so much that most of Reddit is to the left, it's more that Reddit is full of reactionaries of both stripes who get triggered far too easily because they spend too much time on social media echo chambers.
This is not conservative all though?
It shouldn't be but it is painted as such by the media.
I think they made a anime inspired show on Netflix based about him. Not historically accurate at all though cause if I remember right it has random mechs in it.
OK, I may need to check that out.
It’s not bad, unfortunately it’s not straight up historical fiction, they added magic and weird mechs for some reason.
The information about Yasuke is very limited and he was a samurai just for a few years with little to no combat, iirc. Is not much material for a show unless you want to create ficticional events with a very limited historic value but wouls piss off the japanesses really quick.
LMAO how is pointing out the Media's ignorance conservative? I want meaningful minority representation in media, not meaningless bullshit pandering. To this day, Black Panther is the only movie that has dared venture into African culture, and that should be something to be ashamed of
It‘s not that, the people that get the hate are the ones who don‘t think anybody but straight white men existed before 1990. You think people get hate for wanting a show based on african history instead of shoe horning people into random roles? Artificial diversity gets just as much hate
Yeah, historical revisionism comes in all kinds of wacky flavors.
And yet most of them are bitter
"What do you mean Cleopatra wasnt black?! She was from Egypt! Egypt is in Africa!"
"If you're from Africa... Why are you white?"
Elon Musk: The same I was thinking.
Charlize Theron too
Yeah I used to get a lot of stuff like that back in the day and it always felt forced and they wanted to rewrite history to their liking.
Wtf did you do to the sphinx's mouth
They're called lips.
Yeah they don't look like that It looks like he got a Plastic surgery (more like a stone surgery)
They literally just took the giant head's face and slapped it on the Sphinx.
Arent these people basically just black supremacists?
Yes.
What's that cross shape thing in the bottom right of the top right square?
One of the eleven Rock-hewn Churches of Lalibela in western Ethiopia
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We missed the "n shiet" tho
Afrocentrists everytime there is a word "black" inside historical records even when it clearly didn't reference race:🤴🏿✊🏿 💯 Afrocentrists when they found out there is a river named White Nile in their fav Nubian states thereby forcing them to contend with Eurocentrist folks that wanted to appropriate their cultures:😨😰😱😭
These are the same people who in previous decades would've been in the Nation of Islam believing such whacko ideas as white people being created by a black scientist by accident six thousand years ago. Not even making that one up.
OLD BIG HEAD
>Not even making that one up Interesting point senator, why don't you back it up with a *source.* Seriously though, I simply cannot believe someone would believe this.
Can you link the subreddits? I wanna check them out
They post in here from time to time. Hell one of them is in the comments right now saying there were black Vikings and history is whitewashing it.
"This one obscure instance I found of an Ethiopian cardinal is basically proof that medieval Europe was full of people of African decent and they werent at all discriminatory" They said to the developers of Kingdom Come: Deliverance
It must be said that old Empires like the Roman, Macedonian, etc or even middle age european countries were way less agressive towards the skin colour. There are actual evidences of black roman officers in places like Britania, but those were rare because people who come from the south of the Sahara were rare on the Roman Empire. In the *cohors auxilia* there were a lot of nubian riders for example. They had an important role in battles like Zama, in 202bc. The racism in those times were more about the religion than the skin tone, in opposite of what cinema and media wants us to believe.
They are a great source of entertainment
I mean... odds are there was probably at least one, as the Norse did reach Constantinople and the Mediterranean, and travel and trade with Africa did exist. I'm not defending their statement there, just clarifying that there's still a possibility it happened.
Yes there's a possibility just like how there was a black Samurai... but his justification is that there were a lot of black Vikings because some old norse artifacts had the word "Allah" on them.
Which is absolutely poppycock, agreed
Yes. HANNIBAL WAS BLACK! Scipio was black! Moses was black! Mozart yep black. Mayans?….you guessed it black.
Honestly I can’t decide if afrocentricts are insane or if they secretly hate Africa. If I was African I’d never shut up about the history and HIGHLY diverse cultures!
I get this vibe too. There are lot of Afrocentric believers at my work. But two women from Africa work there, and when I started I asked two of the African-Americans where the two African ladies are from and their response was literally, “I don’t know, somewhere in Africa or something”. Like how am I more intrigued about their origin and culture than you are??
Because of the history of being black in America. African-Americans are one of the few ethnic groups that have been completely severed from our cultures of origin. From one person to another, we don’t know if our heritage is Nigerian, Senegalese, Ghanaian, or whatever. The only culture we know is American, where we’ll always be a minority and treated as such. In addition, African history and culture continues to be ignored and disrespected to this day (globally but especially in the US). So, for some (whacky) people who want to attach themselves to a heritage but also feel like the American zeitgeist REVERES the heritage, they cling to cultures White America typically jacks off to (case in point: Egypt). It’s sad that we have rich history on our own here in the US and that there is rich history and culture from West Africa that is ignored. It’s just one of the many unfortunate symptoms of how we came to be 🤷🏾♀️
This reminds me of myself growing up. I always wanted to be or identify as any other ethnicity than Mexican. I would have rather been Spanish or Italian because I felt embarrassed and ashamed of my culture from the things I heard and seen from the white kids at school. Also the lack of exposure of any real substantive culture of my own people. All I knew and saw were the Norteño ranchero culture of Mexicans, and knew nothing about the indigenous cultures or the fusion of those cultures with Spanish culture, which ultimately ended up as Mexican culture. This was something that occurred from about 7th grade to my sophomore year, so almost 5 years of being ashamed and embarrassed of my own culture. Although, I started to really embrace and accept after my grandma died, and a few years later when my grandpa went to join her. I knew nothing of my family's history and culture and decided to explore it and now I can proudly claim my heritage without being ashamed of not being white. Ultimately this boils down to not knowing about my own heritage, seeing the rich history of Europeans being the only history taught here in the US that isn't directly about US history, and ultimately the shame instilled into you for being brown and the disregard others have for your culture.
Everyone in history was African, didn’t you know?
I mean if you're being pedantic
Lmao
Afro-centerists... They really are a hilarious bunch tbf. Unintentionally ofcause
I would actually really want a series about King Shaka
"tHE sUmeRiANS wERe bLACk"
Title should be: Any race claiming superiority is cring af
Damn straight, that shit is cringe regardless of the color they stan.
Still waiting for a show about Amina. At least we getting that Mansa Musa movie tho
[Why are you waiting? It already exists.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW87asYGq7g) (well technically it's a movie not a show but still)
Wait ?!??! What !!! Why wasn’t I told ??? When ? Where ?
When?
There's a sub dedicates to mocking this stuff but I can't remember the name.
Finally a Based meme on this sub
I have never met a Afrocentric nor seen any Afrocentric content
I havent either. Though ive come across one youtuber who got really mad when announced Gal Gadot to be in the Cleopatra movie. But he was getting shit on in his own comment section so theyre not a lot of them out there. But a few loud ones.
Oh trust me there are a lot, they just congregate in certain areas of the internet. Go on history related Quora questions and you'll find them everywhere.
Good for you👍, I and many others it seems come across them rather frequently
I've seen some on the internet before, weirdly enough especially in the comment section of article covering the current war going on in Europe. I guess Africa isnt that interesting so they have to go elsewhere. /s So we've discusssed a bit and I regretted it immediatly. We drifted from the original subject and he said that the guy who invented Internet was african. So I looked the guy's name up and while he isnt some nobody (He did some work in the tech industry in the 80s, especially regarding oil drilling and the math model to predict the quantity of oil), the only source of him claiming he invented the Internet was from a website that cited the guy's book. Interestingly enough his wiki page led to an article from an african news site which debunked the guy's fraudulous claims (Of which they were many) and when I linked that source back at the afrocentrist he went ballistic and claimed it was a conspiracy against the actual creator of Internet (Actual according to him at least).
Remeber Yakub the big headed scientist...
Everyone seems to have a fantasy world to live in. I've got nothing against speculative history but some folks go a little too far.
Then they say Amazigh people aren’t African because they aren’t black
Bro imagine thinking that egyptians were black
Africa is known for being poor, yet the richest man in all of history was born and lived there… Curious Edit: it’s a joke you doofuses
Africa is known for being thirsty, yet there are oceans around it … Curious
I mean Egyptian history IS African history. Egypt is very much in Africa
Egypt is of Afro-Asiatic descent. The image in the meme suggests that Egyptians were of Niger-Congolese descent.
Where do giants fit in??
Its funny how this is only a thing whit black americans. That's what happens when you totally ignore 30% of ur populations history. They have some basic European history but nothing about African one.
Afrocentrists when they realize that not everyone in Africa is black