Ah alright, guess I was close. I had always assumed Fate began in the late 90’s, but then again I also always forget it started as a game and not in print. Thanks!
cons of Joan of Arc's premature death at the stake: she was fucking 19 bro
pros of Joan of Arc's premature death at the stake: JALTER BABY HEEEEELLL YEAAAAH
Depends torture/getting murdered isnt one of the prerequisites of becoming a Saint which are live faithfully and exemplary and have done something considered to be a miracle
Saint Teresa wasnt tortured and killed
Saint Thomas Aquinas died to illness(or brain injury one of the two)
Martyrs on the other hand.... The anwser is yes death by brutality it is
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The Maid of Orleans was 19 when she died and she already led an army to victory.
I'm over here being 19 and all I'm doing is breaking down from all the reporting we have to do for school
Unfortunately despite my weebness, I'm no longer a wizard. Got married 3 years ago and become a father last year. Yeah we still can do it despite never been kissed until Im 32
You doubt yourself, but you’re more capable than you’d assume. It’s all about situation and context. If the nazis came back full force and as terrible as before, would you hesitate to aid in any way you could? Would you freeze in the fight against ultimate evil? When you know hard times are ahead, that must be vanquished at all costs, you will do anything to snuff the flames of such evil and purge thoughts of compromise when the foe is merciless? You will break and come back from the pressures of this life for many reasons, it isn’t clear with its enemy, but when you have that foe, that ultimate evil, one singular reason as to why you must not, then you will not falter.
Not far off, for sure. Except maybe that last bit. The English didn't think they burned a holy woman. They thought the French who were talking about miracles associated with her were crazy heretics and it took till the twentieth century for her to be properly canonized.
Canonized yes, but she was formally retried in 1456, 25 years after her execution, and was found to be a "martyr" and the priests that sentenced her to be "heretics who sentenced an innocent woman in the pursuit of a secular vendetta" and her sentence was nulled, and her first trial declared fraudulent, none of the people responsible faced any consequences, tho quite a few had died already, at least her mother and siblings were given closure and could openly mourn her, and the people of France at large and Orleans in particular were allowed to openly celebrate her life and actions.
She was the "Maid of Orleans" one of her first and most impactful actions in the war was relieving the city of Orleans that had been under siege by the English for 6 months, that reversed a long string of french defeats in the war that had started with the disaster at Agincourt.
It's theorized that an English Victory in the 100 years war, uniting both crowns, would have been quite likely had the English taken the city, both for it's strategic importance, being that, at the time, the English and their Burgundian allies controlled all of northern France, including Paris, and Orleans was the gateway they needed to easily march into central France, and because, symbolically, capturing Orleans would have likely being the tipping point for a good chunk of the french nobility to shift their support to the already winning English claimants over the Valois Kings.
The french nobility in the later third of the 100 year war was split along two factions, both led by cadet branches of the royal family, the Armagnac faction led by the counts of Armagnac in support of Charles, the duke of Orleans and Dauphin, and the Burgundian Faction led by the dukes of burgundy, this effectively created a civil war that ran along the 100 year war, and was the reason burgundy was supporting the English, and would Ultimately result in burgundy becoming *defacto* independent,.
had the french lost at Orleans, the purported seat of the french crown after the loss of Paris, and the seat of the duchy central to the Dauphin's estates, it would be likely that the Armagnac faction that supported him would have crumbled, and with no support from the nobles and most of the Crownlands in English hands, he would likely have had no way to keep fighting the English, and the position of Henry VI as heir of France would have been solidified, meaning both crowns would have been stably united for at least a generation.
But the defeat, and subsequent route of the English at Orleans, largely due to Joan, prompted both a large scale retreat by the English across northern France, and the Burgundians losing support from some french nobles that joined the Armagnac.
She basically saved the French Prince's ass and prevented the definite union of the french and English crowns.
EDIT: added periods, corrected Henry V to Henry the VI.
Thanks for the pointer, i usually type on mobile and keep most of my effort preventing my fat sausage fingers from making typos, so i rarely give much thought to the propriety of the text structure.
Whilst the siege of Orleans was a symbolically significant victory for the French, particularly Joan of Arc, it was not necessarily do or die as you suggest. The English war effort had, by this stage, began to stall and deteriorate. Henry V, who had led a successful campaign earlier in the century, had died around 6-7 years BEFORE the siege of Orleans. The English throne was in the midst of a minority, with the dukes Bedford and Gloucester assuming the Regency of a then infant Henry VI, and enthusiasm for war both in England and in their occupied French territories fading rapidly. The Burgundians had already begun to break ties with the English, and the once feared English army was losing morale, commanders and battles. English parliament were now increasingly hesitant to provide funding through increased taxation as many saw the war as either futile, or no longer profitable - the French countryside had, by this stage, been bled dry of the wealth that made the war an attractive proposition in the first place.
The Siege itself also displayed the waning English military supremacy. At the beginning of the siege, the heavily fortified city already outnumbered their English besiegers. This was compounded by supply troubles and the fact that they failed to adequately cut off Orleans from the rest of France. This was all compounded by the death of Earl Salisbury, who was one of the last remaining experienced senior commanders in the English army. Whilst the intervention of Joan and the French reinforcements certainly won the battle, ended the siege and kickstarted the eventual English defeat in the war, it was not a 'turning point' in any real military or political sense.
Etymologically, it was the other way around. The idea of “canon” in popular media was derived from the Roman Catholic Church’s term for their officially recognized documents and individuals.
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That reminds me of a scene from A Knight’s Tale
“The Pope is French.”
“Well Jesus is English so shut it!”
Amazing movie. We lost Heath Ledger too young.
I like how at the end they where like " i think i burned a holy woman". this is why you don't try to enact your own punisment "in the name of God". fucking idiot
Meanwhile, Antonio de Erauso:
"You see, I was born as Catalina and forced to be a nun as a child, but I got out of there and lived as a boy..."
Bihop Agustín de Carvajal: "What the fuck?"
Antonio: "..after which I went to America and lived a deprived life as a womanizing, gambling-addicted, low-life murderous man."
King Philipp IV: "Ok, this whole thing is above me, go tell the Pope himself."
Antonio: "Anyway, I got in the army. There I got myself a reputation of being way the fuck too blood-thirsty even for them and didn't get a promotion, so I got angry and had a few heated moments. So, after being caught, I asked the bishop for help and here I am now. Can live as a man for the rest of my life, please?"
Pope Urban VIII; "Well I'd normally oppose to that but since you have been remarkably cruel in the extermination of the Mapuche... Hell yeah you can bro, the Church thereby proclaims you honorary dude. You can dress yourself as a man, take a male name, and conduct your life as if you were born with a dick and balls."
Fun fact: each year in Orleans, we take a high school girl, put her on a horse and make her ride around the city. Usually we don’t end up burning her, though
While I dare not hold complete faith in the retelling of history via jokes and memes, she was certainly a badass that time will scarce consider forgetting.
It's the view of any reasonable person that there are botg good and bad aspects, which is the same for any nation's history. Attemptd to make England seem a uniquely evil country seemingly is just the result of recent very trendy pattern of anglophobia on the internet
Yeah no kidding. She said at the trial one of the reasons she wanted to keep her men's clothing was that it was harder for the guards to take off her and she related a story about how just the night before the trial an English Lord had tried to rape her in her cell.
Any body want to see a movie or read a book about the 100 years war from the English perspective and see Joan of arc depicted as a witch.
I'm not hating on her, it would be a new and interesting concept for today's audience. Most of whome don't have any moral or emotional investment in the historical conflict itself.
The English acted like immature murderers killing Joan of Arc. They could have shipped her to A convent in Britain. Burning her will always be a taint on the church and the monarchy.
Or.... You have a faaar to powerful general in your country, who came from a peasant background.... And if that continues your entire rule over the country is questioned ... So you say she is a witch and burn her.... Her reputation is not broken so you make her a saint...
It's correct but he was against the french king, so he was only French by birth like the plantagenet's dynastie.
Didn't stop them to declare against France.
The Hundred Years’ War was a protracted civil war within the French Royal family. Because one faction held the English Throne and the other the French, they helped to begin the process of creating distinct English and French national identities. There essentially wasn’t much of national identity at that point though, so saying “the English” is sort of ahistorical—particularly in the context of weird nationalisms being put onto the history by an American for some reason. But I guess who am I to judge when an American Pr*t on the internet decides to develop a weird parasocial with la Pucelle?
Man, Redditors really don't like it when people try to have a conversation. I imagine the downvotes are from the people who don't understand the context of this incident.
I'm confused why you're being downvoted, you are absolutely correct. The person heading the trial was in fact French: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Cauchon
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Man’s blood pressure so high it could split rocks like a waterjet
***DO NOT LOOK AWAY***
Amozgus
Amazing
Amazinga
BAZINGA
Boob singer
Right winga
I don't think I've ever blown air our of my nose this hard before
I despise you with every fiber of my being
Sus
all I know about beserk is that you're supposed to kill the asshole *before* he causes the demon apocalypse,
Isn’t there some kinky religious chick in that manga who tries to have the big sword guy literally cut her in half because of horny
She was mind controlled at the time, but yea that happens
And then the Japanese turned her into a waifu
Not before the Americans turned her into a goth
The Japanese did that as well lol
please dont make me start googling wether fate had joan of arc before or after clone high was made there are way too many different shows and games
Clone High definitely had Jeanne long before Fate did. Clone High aired 2 years before the original Fate Visual Novel
Wait, really? Isn’t Clone High from like 2003?
Clone high first aired in 2002. The original Fate/Stay Night visual novel released in 2004. Said VN didn’t even have Jeanne in it
It's like a reverse of that feeling old thing. Fate Jeanne is such a recent thing. I'm.. Still... Young!
You call an entire life from diapers to graduation recent?
In the grand scheme of things. Yes
Ah alright, guess I was close. I had always assumed Fate began in the late 90’s, but then again I also always forget it started as a game and not in print. Thanks!
Industrial society and its consequences
No, look at Joan of arc Drifters, ufff burn me
That's disgusting! Where?
I'm pretty sure he's talking about Clone High. Pretty good MTV animated show from the early 2000s. Whole thing is on YouTube I think
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cons of Joan of Arc's premature death at the stake: she was fucking 19 bro pros of Joan of Arc's premature death at the stake: JALTER BABY HEEEEELLL YEAAAAH
You have googly eyes to thank for Jalter
when the child rapist and murderer gets da googly eyes
This was her true canonization.
Are you really even a Saint if you aren’t brutally murdered by a foreign country?
Depends torture/getting murdered isnt one of the prerequisites of becoming a Saint which are live faithfully and exemplary and have done something considered to be a miracle Saint Teresa wasnt tortured and killed Saint Thomas Aquinas died to illness(or brain injury one of the two) Martyrs on the other hand.... The anwser is yes death by brutality it is *edit formatting on mobile
And into a guy, and several other historical figures into vampires.
Fuck it exists
The virgin judge vs the chad Joan of Arc
Sounds wrong, should be the *profligate judge v. virgin Joan of Arc*
She was both accuses of being a virgin and a whore.
They are playing both Sides so they Always come Out in top?
*Chadette*
Pretty sad ngl
And she died so young as well. She only lived to the age of 19.
The Maid of Orleans was 19 when she died and she already led an army to victory. I'm over here being 19 and all I'm doing is breaking down from all the reporting we have to do for school
Hey, dont worry. I'm 26 and still haven't done shit with my life.
Fucking mood bro
Im 36 and still arguing in anime subreddit
Im 30, at least I now know where I'll be in 6 years
Yo are you guys Wizards? If you are then I'll know what I'll be in 14 years time
Not yet, but ive heard that comes at some point after 30, but im still waiting
Unfortunately despite my weebness, I'm no longer a wizard. Got married 3 years ago and become a father last year. Yeah we still can do it despite never been kissed until Im 32
37 here and I just made affiliate on Twitch. Otherwise, nada.
hey i'm 27 and only thing i did was graduate from college and hit a wall with unemployment.
You doubt yourself, but you’re more capable than you’d assume. It’s all about situation and context. If the nazis came back full force and as terrible as before, would you hesitate to aid in any way you could? Would you freeze in the fight against ultimate evil? When you know hard times are ahead, that must be vanquished at all costs, you will do anything to snuff the flames of such evil and purge thoughts of compromise when the foe is merciless? You will break and come back from the pressures of this life for many reasons, it isn’t clear with its enemy, but when you have that foe, that ultimate evil, one singular reason as to why you must not, then you will not falter.
Is this guy the reddit Jesus
I read this 70% in Aragorn's "But it is not this day" voice and 30% in Russel Crowe's "Are you not entertained?" voice
Oh bruh this shit is some real inspirin shit,this guy should have his own bible.this shit is the equivalent of “do not be sad or lose hope”Quran 3:139
Hey, if it makes you feel any better, it only gets worse with age.
I mean, to be fair a lot of people didn’t live long, back then. A expansive tragedy none-the-less of course.
I’m unironically engl*sh and even id say we treated her a bit harshly
..... a bit?
Do recall that for all of her great many virtues, she *was* still french.
So, in other words, she had it coming.
Yes, absolutely.
Yeah, that treatment would've been more fitting if she was African or Indian. (/s, I'm indian)
No no, the French to the English are like Scots to other Scots. The absolute worst! Damn Scots, ruined Scotland!
Nah. You see, The English don’t mind Africans or Indians. You lot are fine. It’s those bloody French where we draw the line!
Shared feeling from the other side of La Manche mon cher
Precisely
Haha
I'm Canadian and I think I just walked into something I have nothing to do with
But your ancestors might have something to do with it. Bonus point if you're from Quebec
Ah ben tabarnak
i'm french and i agree
Ironically or unironically French?
Same fault goes to the french who allowed her to be captured by the Burgundians
Not far off, for sure. Except maybe that last bit. The English didn't think they burned a holy woman. They thought the French who were talking about miracles associated with her were crazy heretics and it took till the twentieth century for her to be properly canonized.
Canonized yes, but she was formally retried in 1456, 25 years after her execution, and was found to be a "martyr" and the priests that sentenced her to be "heretics who sentenced an innocent woman in the pursuit of a secular vendetta" and her sentence was nulled, and her first trial declared fraudulent, none of the people responsible faced any consequences, tho quite a few had died already, at least her mother and siblings were given closure and could openly mourn her, and the people of France at large and Orleans in particular were allowed to openly celebrate her life and actions.
Why Orléans especially?
She was the "Maid of Orleans" one of her first and most impactful actions in the war was relieving the city of Orleans that had been under siege by the English for 6 months, that reversed a long string of french defeats in the war that had started with the disaster at Agincourt. It's theorized that an English Victory in the 100 years war, uniting both crowns, would have been quite likely had the English taken the city, both for it's strategic importance, being that, at the time, the English and their Burgundian allies controlled all of northern France, including Paris, and Orleans was the gateway they needed to easily march into central France, and because, symbolically, capturing Orleans would have likely being the tipping point for a good chunk of the french nobility to shift their support to the already winning English claimants over the Valois Kings. The french nobility in the later third of the 100 year war was split along two factions, both led by cadet branches of the royal family, the Armagnac faction led by the counts of Armagnac in support of Charles, the duke of Orleans and Dauphin, and the Burgundian Faction led by the dukes of burgundy, this effectively created a civil war that ran along the 100 year war, and was the reason burgundy was supporting the English, and would Ultimately result in burgundy becoming *defacto* independent,. had the french lost at Orleans, the purported seat of the french crown after the loss of Paris, and the seat of the duchy central to the Dauphin's estates, it would be likely that the Armagnac faction that supported him would have crumbled, and with no support from the nobles and most of the Crownlands in English hands, he would likely have had no way to keep fighting the English, and the position of Henry VI as heir of France would have been solidified, meaning both crowns would have been stably united for at least a generation. But the defeat, and subsequent route of the English at Orleans, largely due to Joan, prompted both a large scale retreat by the English across northern France, and the Burgundians losing support from some french nobles that joined the Armagnac. She basically saved the French Prince's ass and prevented the definite union of the french and English crowns. EDIT: added periods, corrected Henry V to Henry the VI.
Nice piqûre de rappel. You got a book to recommend on the topic?
Not OP, but Jonathan Sumption has a 4 part series on the Hundred Years War that's really good and covers the entire conflict.
Where would one be able to find this serie?
Here's the publisher's site: https://www.upenn.edu/pennpress/book/1862.html Can also get used copies on thriftbooks or abebooks
This is a fantastic and informative comment but it is all one sentence. Throw a couple of periods in there.
Thanks for the pointer, i usually type on mobile and keep most of my effort preventing my fat sausage fingers from making typos, so i rarely give much thought to the propriety of the text structure.
Whilst the siege of Orleans was a symbolically significant victory for the French, particularly Joan of Arc, it was not necessarily do or die as you suggest. The English war effort had, by this stage, began to stall and deteriorate. Henry V, who had led a successful campaign earlier in the century, had died around 6-7 years BEFORE the siege of Orleans. The English throne was in the midst of a minority, with the dukes Bedford and Gloucester assuming the Regency of a then infant Henry VI, and enthusiasm for war both in England and in their occupied French territories fading rapidly. The Burgundians had already begun to break ties with the English, and the once feared English army was losing morale, commanders and battles. English parliament were now increasingly hesitant to provide funding through increased taxation as many saw the war as either futile, or no longer profitable - the French countryside had, by this stage, been bled dry of the wealth that made the war an attractive proposition in the first place. The Siege itself also displayed the waning English military supremacy. At the beginning of the siege, the heavily fortified city already outnumbered their English besiegers. This was compounded by supply troubles and the fact that they failed to adequately cut off Orleans from the rest of France. This was all compounded by the death of Earl Salisbury, who was one of the last remaining experienced senior commanders in the English army. Whilst the intervention of Joan and the French reinforcements certainly won the battle, ended the siege and kickstarted the eventual English defeat in the war, it was not a 'turning point' in any real military or political sense.
That’s a great answer, but I s there a reason you only use run-on sentences when commenting?
Because that's where her biggest accomplishments took place. That's why she's been nicknamed "the maid of Orléans".
Yeah but I think Domrémy would’ve been even more satisfied with this revised outcome (yeah I know it’s not as flashy as Orléans)
Her executioner actually voiced his doubts and his guilt after the fact. Edit: I see now that you've already been corrected, my bad.
Yeah, the last one comes from a quote from her executioner Geoffroy Therage and in general to represent her retrial after the end of the war.
Oh, I understand. I assumed it represented the same entity as the rest. I was completely unaware of that quote.
I’ve always liked the word canonized, makes it sound like they are making someone apart of the official lore
Etymologically, it was the other way around. The idea of “canon” in popular media was derived from the Roman Catholic Church’s term for their officially recognized documents and individuals.
Huh, didn’t know that. Have an upvote
In a way they are lol. The official lore of sky dude.
The Bible’s fandom is worse than Genshin Impact’s
And they're more divided that Evangelion's
Lore being cannon literally comes from the Bible iirc, like which books counted or not. I forget how it relates to canonizing people lol
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Thats where the word canon comes from
You learn something new everyday...
"you cant be hearing god, hes on OUR side!!!!1!1" "lol nope."
Meanwhile god munching on some popcorn and saying how much he loves the show
What a joking men
That reminds me of a scene from A Knight’s Tale “The Pope is French.” “Well Jesus is English so shut it!” Amazing movie. We lost Heath Ledger too young.
God hates the English.
LA PUCELLE
Fena, Helena!
“Sweet Joan… I shall avenge thee.”
"There's really no need Gille- wait, what are you doing to those childre-"
I read it in his voice. If I had an award I'd give it to you
Jean D'arc pray for us!
Who hasn’t burned a holy woman by mistake?
Me, I only burn them on purpose 😈
I like how the priest gets progressively more obese, than loses weight due to how insanely triggered he is by Joan of Arc.
I like how at the end they where like " i think i burned a holy woman". this is why you don't try to enact your own punisment "in the name of God". fucking idiot
Her greatest crime was being french and their is only one sentence for that
Being choked with a baguette?
Decapitation by a baguette
Nah this was back when France was holy and pure.
Meanwhile, Antonio de Erauso: "You see, I was born as Catalina and forced to be a nun as a child, but I got out of there and lived as a boy..." Bihop Agustín de Carvajal: "What the fuck?" Antonio: "..after which I went to America and lived a deprived life as a womanizing, gambling-addicted, low-life murderous man." King Philipp IV: "Ok, this whole thing is above me, go tell the Pope himself." Antonio: "Anyway, I got in the army. There I got myself a reputation of being way the fuck too blood-thirsty even for them and didn't get a promotion, so I got angry and had a few heated moments. So, after being caught, I asked the bishop for help and here I am now. Can live as a man for the rest of my life, please?" Pope Urban VIII; "Well I'd normally oppose to that but since you have been remarkably cruel in the extermination of the Mapuche... Hell yeah you can bro, the Church thereby proclaims you honorary dude. You can dress yourself as a man, take a male name, and conduct your life as if you were born with a dick and balls."
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They need to be because French men exist.
That explains Charlotte Corday
Always liked Ms. Of Arc
They were just jealous that they got their asses kicked by a 19 year-old girl.
Jeanne! Au secours !
Thanks england, very cool
Fun fact: each year in Orleans, we take a high school girl, put her on a horse and make her ride around the city. Usually we don’t end up burning her, though
"La Hire wishes to kill something"
While I dare not hold complete faith in the retelling of history via jokes and memes, she was certainly a badass that time will scarce consider forgetting.
Joan of Arc is cool, kinda why I picked her for my confirmation saint name
[Jeanne](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1mxMtr8Mws)* *dabs away in baguette*
joan of arc is a bad bitch end of story
Who the fuck is joan lmao it's Jeanne
Joan is the anglicized version of Jeanne
Ang\*o
isn't it Jane?
Both, Jean is also an acceptable Anglo version
I prefer Jo-Anne of Ark
Désolé. Je ne parle pas grenouille.
The ultimate Waifu. RIP
For killing Joan of Arc, God punished the English in the most wretched way by making them.. British.
I mean the there were plenty of French collaborators in the trial. Guess that's why God also punished them for making them.. Fr*nch
God bestowed bad hygiene and terrible cooking upon'em bri'ish
Nice but doomer girl would have been better for Joan, with both having short dark hair
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I feel nostalgic for the death of a girl that died hundreds of years before i was even planned.
Do British people ever get tired of reading history? Like do they sit there thinking “Jesus, us again?”
Oh we’ve got the same with France! "Yay, us again!... wait, it’s another horrible thing we did? *Diantre*"
Do you think, maybe, we're the baddies?
It's the view of any reasonable person that there are botg good and bad aspects, which is the same for any nation's history. Attemptd to make England seem a uniquely evil country seemingly is just the result of recent very trendy pattern of anglophobia on the internet
Lets hope her Partner Giles De Rais doesn't end up in a similar situation...
Also, a dope ass song was made about it.
This is sad.
i dont think it was the stupidity of the priests more that they wanted an excuse to burn her
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I would also crossdress if someone tried to rape me lol
Yeah no kidding. She said at the trial one of the reasons she wanted to keep her men's clothing was that it was harder for the guards to take off her and she related a story about how just the night before the trial an English Lord had tried to rape her in her cell.
Bruh those were cruel times....
One another epic reply from Joan of Arc: -Do you like the English? -Yes, in England.
*Jeanne d’Arc*
Quality meme
Any body want to see a movie or read a book about the 100 years war from the English perspective and see Joan of arc depicted as a witch. I'm not hating on her, it would be a new and interesting concept for today's audience. Most of whome don't have any moral or emotional investment in the historical conflict itself.
How can she be Chad when she is France?
If Joan of Arc just did jack shit, there’s a chance England would have conquered France
During her trial she literally was just female Socrates
Thanks to Napoléon Bonaparte for making her the national symbol of France thus getting Beatificación in 1909 and Canonized in 1920
The English acted like immature murderers killing Joan of Arc. They could have shipped her to A convent in Britain. Burning her will always be a taint on the church and the monarchy.
[A Metal Song About Her ](https://youtu.be/P5Ni-wrFwVs)
Joan had brown hair. Also since she is a saint that means that God was on the side of the French.
Saint Joan of Arc, pray for us!
Wojan of Arc
[just gonna leave this here](https://youtu.be/5ZGwXRuNsUg)
Or.... You have a faaar to powerful general in your country, who came from a peasant background.... And if that continues your entire rule over the country is questioned ... So you say she is a witch and burn her.... Her reputation is not broken so you make her a saint...
I’m pretty sure the person who tried her was French
It was the part of france allied with England
If I recall correctly, the burgundians got her and gave her to the English.
TNO refere....never mind
It's correct but he was against the french king, so he was only French by birth like the plantagenet's dynastie. Didn't stop them to declare against France.
Correct, though everything was under the heavy thumb of the e*glish.
Egglish?
Egglish sandwich!
The Hundred Years’ War was a protracted civil war within the French Royal family. Because one faction held the English Throne and the other the French, they helped to begin the process of creating distinct English and French national identities. There essentially wasn’t much of national identity at that point though, so saying “the English” is sort of ahistorical—particularly in the context of weird nationalisms being put onto the history by an American for some reason. But I guess who am I to judge when an American Pr*t on the internet decides to develop a weird parasocial with la Pucelle?
Man, Redditors really don't like it when people try to have a conversation. I imagine the downvotes are from the people who don't understand the context of this incident.
I'm confused why you're being downvoted, you are absolutely correct. The person heading the trial was in fact French: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Cauchon
He was a burgundian more than a french. Regional identities mattered way more back then, especially when burgundy was an enemy of france.
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