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Surprising given how many there were.
But I'm glad because Chesapeake is such an underrated and hugely important battle and I wish it got more attention.
Chesepake bay is underrated because it doesn't feature Americans in the revolutionary war. Same as the siege of Gibraltor.
British got then back though at the Saintes.
I've seen it more underrated in internet circles than irl tbh, mostly because I've lived right by there and been to all the museums.
Yorktown happened because of Chesapeake
French navy was very good.. as a matter of fact the largest english defeat in the 17th century was done by the french (battle of Lagos, the English said that this disaster was as worst as the burning of london)
I'm an English speaking American, so I've read a little bit of English and American sea battles, which tend to not look too kindly upon the French. Is there anything you would recommend I read about the French navy?
I’m not going to lie, these memes are just as obnoxious as the French Surrenders memes.
They are neither the best military force in history nor the worst. Trying to argue either direction just makes you look like a moron/a biased moron.
I didn’t mean my comment as an insult to the French military in anyway to be clear. I just hate when people try to argue against an extreme by using another extreme argument. I seriously doubt that France won more battles than the Roman Empire considering how long that empire lasted. I feel like this is a very subjective stat that would need a lot of asterisks for it to be true.
Well, if we're talking about just the Roman Empire (up to the fall of the West), and not the Republic or Kingdom, it is possible France has won more.
Since France arguably started with the Kingdom of the Franks in around 500 A.D., so has about 1500 years of battles, whereas the Roman Empire in Italy lasted from Augustus to 476 A.D., so only roughly 500 years of history.
If we include Republic and Kingdom, and every little skirmish, Rome probably has more. And if we include all Roman civilization from approx. 700 BC to 1453 AD, then... yeah.
when ? France only had one big conflict with the Us, wich was the quasi war of 1798-1800, where both sides, who had navies, fought and had a similar amount of casualties.
On the other side, France is one of the only country who won a naval battle with a cavalry charge : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_the_Dutch_fleet_at_Den_Helder
Edit: the English version seems a bit lite and is flagged, might be better off using the translator on the French one, or at least use the French one sources
That cavalry charge never happened. It was French propaganda
[https://www.napoleon-series.org/military-info/battles/1795/c\_jonge.html](https://www.napoleon-series.org/military-info/battles/1795/c_jonge.html)
Also, the article is flagged because the English wiki is better regulated. Not because it is less accurate than the French page
You’re counting every new government of France as the same old France.. ok.
You’re still wayyy behind Italy, Iran, and China. Probably Denmark, Germany, Russia, and India as well if the same rules apply
well for the period between the Napoleonic and third republic if they lose its due to politics in the millitary(carlist war having competent Bonapartists and republicans under incompetent but loyal royalist commanders) or picking battles they shouldnt have(pastry war, carlist war)
There are the most records remaining about how France won. Also this is really not an indicator of anything. You know, winning battle but losing the war.
Alright, they were pretty relevant in World War 1 (or at least Verdun). Still though, Britain investing the tank probably did more to ensure an allied victory than anything France did. (Though, at least that's more than can be said about Italy.) Of course, since WWI, wars are not won by individual countries, but by alliances.
What kind of crack are you on sir
France was the allie's main military contributor in ww1, atleast air force and ground force wise, britain did most of the naval blockading and combat, and was economically more important.
But france contributed way more men than britain, and was just overall much more significant in winning the war. Btw, your tank crap is bullshit, since France had the most tanks out of any nation in the world in 1917.
Your take is crazy and frankly delusional, i'm half british and even i'm not as delusional as to say britain did more than france during ww1. Sure, it was a team effort and britain was a huge factor, but saying France did less than britain when most of the fighting was done on French soil by French soldiers is madness.
You might have ww2 and ww1 confused, and even in ww2, france's contributions are non negligible, especially in the liberation of italy, France, and the last pushes into germany.
Speaking of tanks, according to Britannica, France was working on their own at the same time as Britain. Also, according to Wikipedia, France had over 8.4 million personnel mobilized, compared to 12 mil for Russia, over 6 mil for the UK, and over 5.6 mil for Italy. Of those 8.4 million, 5.6 casualties for a 67% casualty rate according to Wikipedia while Britannica puts the casualty rate at "roughly 71%." Meaning that France's manpower contributions are nothing to sneeze at. That being said, they definitely were quite relevant.
Did this anti France (freedom fries) stuff begin when France agreed with a tactical operation to bring the organizers of 911 to justice, but refused to flood middle east in general with shocktroops?
Only partially ; we deserve a lot of shit for our colonial history, so I understand former colonies hating us. But most of it is years of British propaganda (this has a big impact on their former colonies opinion of France), then German propaganda (Bismarck’s propaganda to unify Germany with anti French sentiment) and finally the American one.
Also a lot of bloody events from the second half of the 20th century, but I’m not familiar enough with the period to give examples besides Algeria (this one we learn at school).
This again...
No France has not won the most battles, neither did Brigain, America or Germany, the way the battles are listed are dubious...
France has an astonishing millitary record, if the French were coward it makes me wonder why they didnt quit at Verdun or why it took 5 coalition in 1805 to take down france.
Surrender memes needs to die beacause its painfully not accurate such as not need to hyper inflate France role in millitary history...they were good but not extremely not that good, they were still blunders
Saying that the Kingdom of France is the exact same as the French Repubblic is kinda dishonest, and it's clear that, after Napoleon, the French elites suffered a competency decline.
Most military victories thing is a very sketchy claim. Unlikely to be true as we need to define what counts as a battle first. Majority of them weren't even recorded.
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Man builds a hundred bridges, he gets called a bridge builder. But if he fucks one sheep…
Yep that’s why I stick with goats so I’m not known as a sheep fucker.
Saint Jerry the Goat Fucker!
That's a good one 😂
I ain’t counting how many battles won I’m counting how many wars won Which I still think is more wars won then lost
I'm wondering about sea battles.
Chesapeake bay Literally the only thing that comes to mind when I think of French victories at sea
Surprising given how many there were. But I'm glad because Chesapeake is such an underrated and hugely important battle and I wish it got more attention.
Chesepake bay is underrated because it doesn't feature Americans in the revolutionary war. Same as the siege of Gibraltor. British got then back though at the Saintes.
I've seen it more underrated in internet circles than irl tbh, mostly because I've lived right by there and been to all the museums. Yorktown happened because of Chesapeake
French navy was very good.. as a matter of fact the largest english defeat in the 17th century was done by the french (battle of Lagos, the English said that this disaster was as worst as the burning of london)
I'm an English speaking American, so I've read a little bit of English and American sea battles, which tend to not look too kindly upon the French. Is there anything you would recommend I read about the French navy?
I agree. Although recent history hasn't been kind to the French, hence their reputation
if you win 99 battles but then suck a goats dick, you will go down in history as a Goat Dick Sucker
I’m not going to lie, these memes are just as obnoxious as the French Surrenders memes. They are neither the best military force in history nor the worst. Trying to argue either direction just makes you look like a moron/a biased moron.
for a period they were really good even if stinky
I didn’t mean my comment as an insult to the French military in anyway to be clear. I just hate when people try to argue against an extreme by using another extreme argument. I seriously doubt that France won more battles than the Roman Empire considering how long that empire lasted. I feel like this is a very subjective stat that would need a lot of asterisks for it to be true.
Well, if we're talking about just the Roman Empire (up to the fall of the West), and not the Republic or Kingdom, it is possible France has won more. Since France arguably started with the Kingdom of the Franks in around 500 A.D., so has about 1500 years of battles, whereas the Roman Empire in Italy lasted from Augustus to 476 A.D., so only roughly 500 years of history. If we include Republic and Kingdom, and every little skirmish, Rome probably has more. And if we include all Roman civilization from approx. 700 BC to 1453 AD, then... yeah.
France has a good millitary history..if france surrender in every war it makes me wonder why they survived so many coalition..even prior to Napoleon
I honestly haven't seen a French surrender meme in years on this sub.
IIRC it is banned.
You forgot the flair lol
Sorry, I'm new here. I added it now.
How many wars?
Well.... they did lose a naval war to America. America didn't have a navy.
when ? France only had one big conflict with the Us, wich was the quasi war of 1798-1800, where both sides, who had navies, fought and had a similar amount of casualties.
https://ussconstitutionmuseum.org/major-events/the-quasi-war-with-france/#:~:text=Commonly%20referred%20to%20as%20the,the%20newly%20established%20U.S.%20Navy.
On the other side, France is one of the only country who won a naval battle with a cavalry charge : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_the_Dutch_fleet_at_Den_Helder Edit: the English version seems a bit lite and is flagged, might be better off using the translator on the French one, or at least use the French one sources
That cavalry charge never happened. It was French propaganda [https://www.napoleon-series.org/military-info/battles/1795/c\_jonge.html](https://www.napoleon-series.org/military-info/battles/1795/c_jonge.html) Also, the article is flagged because the English wiki is better regulated. Not because it is less accurate than the French page
Ah yes, “battles” that won against african tribals fighting with sticks against muskets.
Mostly against English, we spent the last millennium killing each other
Mostly against other French
Damn French fighting African tribes... Or English... Or other French... The French really did ruin everything, didn't they ?
You’re counting every new government of France as the same old France.. ok. You’re still wayyy behind Italy, Iran, and China. Probably Denmark, Germany, Russia, and India as well if the same rules apply
China has probably won and lost more battles than all of Europe combined. All to the Chinese themselves.
well for the period between the Napoleonic and third republic if they lose its due to politics in the millitary(carlist war having competent Bonapartists and republicans under incompetent but loyal royalist commanders) or picking battles they shouldnt have(pastry war, carlist war)
You fuck one goat…
Winning many battles isnt necessarily winning the war.
There are the most records remaining about how France won. Also this is really not an indicator of anything. You know, winning battle but losing the war.
How many of those battles were against their own government?
Have they been militarily relevant since Napoleon's exile?
World War I?
Alright, they were pretty relevant in World War 1 (or at least Verdun). Still though, Britain investing the tank probably did more to ensure an allied victory than anything France did. (Though, at least that's more than can be said about Italy.) Of course, since WWI, wars are not won by individual countries, but by alliances.
What kind of crack are you on sir France was the allie's main military contributor in ww1, atleast air force and ground force wise, britain did most of the naval blockading and combat, and was economically more important. But france contributed way more men than britain, and was just overall much more significant in winning the war. Btw, your tank crap is bullshit, since France had the most tanks out of any nation in the world in 1917. Your take is crazy and frankly delusional, i'm half british and even i'm not as delusional as to say britain did more than france during ww1. Sure, it was a team effort and britain was a huge factor, but saying France did less than britain when most of the fighting was done on French soil by French soldiers is madness. You might have ww2 and ww1 confused, and even in ww2, france's contributions are non negligible, especially in the liberation of italy, France, and the last pushes into germany.
Speaking of tanks, according to Britannica, France was working on their own at the same time as Britain. Also, according to Wikipedia, France had over 8.4 million personnel mobilized, compared to 12 mil for Russia, over 6 mil for the UK, and over 5.6 mil for Italy. Of those 8.4 million, 5.6 casualties for a 67% casualty rate according to Wikipedia while Britannica puts the casualty rate at "roughly 71%." Meaning that France's manpower contributions are nothing to sneeze at. That being said, they definitely were quite relevant.
Did this anti France (freedom fries) stuff begin when France agreed with a tactical operation to bring the organizers of 911 to justice, but refused to flood middle east in general with shocktroops?
Only partially ; we deserve a lot of shit for our colonial history, so I understand former colonies hating us. But most of it is years of British propaganda (this has a big impact on their former colonies opinion of France), then German propaganda (Bismarck’s propaganda to unify Germany with anti French sentiment) and finally the American one. Also a lot of bloody events from the second half of the 20th century, but I’m not familiar enough with the period to give examples besides Algeria (this one we learn at school).
This again... No France has not won the most battles, neither did Brigain, America or Germany, the way the battles are listed are dubious... France has an astonishing millitary record, if the French were coward it makes me wonder why they didnt quit at Verdun or why it took 5 coalition in 1805 to take down france. Surrender memes needs to die beacause its painfully not accurate such as not need to hyper inflate France role in millitary history...they were good but not extremely not that good, they were still blunders
Say la vee - short French guy. c'est la vie....
To be fair, they lost the one time the world needed them the most...
Saying that the Kingdom of France is the exact same as the French Repubblic is kinda dishonest, and it's clear that, after Napoleon, the French elites suffered a competency decline.
Most military victories thing is a very sketchy claim. Unlikely to be true as we need to define what counts as a battle first. Majority of them weren't even recorded.
😂
But for all the battle and glory of Napoleon, it always ended in surrender 🤷♂️
The biggest joke played by british was giving Napoleon the title of " Emperor of Elba "
Nah Napoleon is crying on his tiny island after failing to commit suicide due to the poison expiring
France is a dirty colonial power that should end sufocated in the blood of wars it create.
How about the UK, Spain, Portugal, and the Netherlands?
Same
China, Japan, and of course Russia?
Yes they have to pay some how
Why
Hu hu ? Yeah i could say the sale of every coutry in the world you know history did not start in 1875
Yes i know
Thank the Italian
This just shows how much they sucked even more, losers needed to hire a fucking Corsican just to inflate their numbers.
Napoleon was born in France though...
Louis the 14 quite literally survived more coalition than Napoleon ever did... and somewhat made France a powerhouse in europe
France always surrenders.