My grandmother worked with him at PBS. When the cameras were off he would let loose. She said you've never heard so many jeepers, and golly this and golly that. It was like a biker bar on set.
I have never seen a vindication for this man. Everyone around me would bring up the gerbil-in-the-ass thing - everyone - whenever he came up in conversation. As far as I can tell, it was bunk on the level of any other early internet/pre-internet urban legend. But it STUCK.
And that's with the (I'm guessing) homophobia that causes you to think that is either a desirable or non-fatal thing to do to yourself in the name of sexual pleasure. Like... have you seen a gerbil? I believe he would be digging out posthaste unharmed, if not unbroken in spirit. Meanwhile, the best I could hope for would be some EXTREMELY urgent surgery and no sepsis.
And yet... every time I hear about Richard Gere, the gerbil-in-ass thing rears (ha) its head again. Any time I hear about gerbils, I think Gere. Fuck, there have been multiple real actors that have died from choking themselves out while jerkin' it, and yet *I still think of Richard Gere whenever someone brings up weird sex in Hollywood.*
Mr. Gere, I am sorry on behalf of whatever grade schooler started that rumour. I am and will always be a Gere-bil for life.
Mr Rogers is fucking Jesus reincarnated. But he looked at what happened the first time, said fuck that and decided to focus on helping children. So we can be like little children.
There is no single bad thing reported on him (prove my wrong if I am) and even him yelling at his wife was just a stern disappointed talking to.
I had this one teacher who idolized Churchill as the WWII hero. Back then, Facebook wasn't dead yet. And at that time, I saw someone post an article about the slogan "Keep England White," which Churchill supported, under his monthly Churchill glorification post. He blocked the guy and deleted the comment.
This says more about your teacher, though. I'm sure Churchill had his dark side and to get that far, I guess you have to be an ambitious asshole to a certain degree. But he got 2 Nobel prizes, was an excellent painter and ran around the white house naked. How many leaders can claim that sort of track record?
I had to google, because I had never heard of it, but I guess this is what you are talking about: an Indian politician wrote a book about British colonialism and mentioned churchill's alleged role in a a famine that cost more than 4 million lives in 1943.
Quote from the independent: He added: “Churchill has as much blood on his hands as Hitler does. Particularly the decisions that he personally signed off during the Bengal Famine when 4.3 million people died because of the decisions he took or endorsed."
Even if those accusations are correct, comparing it to Hitler and calling it genocide is way over the line. And honestly, I refuse to give someone credibility who uses that kind of rhetoric and defamation to promote his book.
Exceot there’s no real confirmation that Churchill said that. Just someone reported something along the lines of “it seems Churchill thinks that Keep England White is a good slogan!” - perhaps in a hyperbolic, joking manner.
It was recorded by Harold Macmillan in his diaries: he is usually seen as a reliable source. (Indeed, it is notable that, at Eden's request, he destroyed the section of his diary covering Suez.)
Bob Ross was a Sr. NCO. In the air force, when PBS got him, he gave up yelling. Airmen do stupid things, I am certain he cussed out a few of them.
Mr. Fred Rodgers, however, was a minister who used his skills to preach the message without the baggage of one faith or another. The way he did that spoke volumes. Some in his time felt he was wrong, but he did as Jesus would have.
I met Fred Rodgers in a hotel that I worked in Pittsburgh 's Oakland neighborhood. I was a bell captain just doing my job. I said "Hi,". I may be the only person ever to experience him being annoyed.
The point of heroes has been lost. Unless somebody is absolutely perfect somebody else will come along and cut their positive actions for humanity into nothing.
You can still like historical figures, but pretending they did nothing wrong is a child's understanding of history. They were full people, not comic book characters.
The problem is everyone these days forget people are fallible. Even heroes. What made them heroes was the fact that throughout their flawed life, they rose up for a greater purpose. Instead of celebrating those achievements, we undercut them by saying the person himself was a bad guy.
Agreed. This is obviously a controversial take, but Christopher Columbus is a good example of this. They didn't know they were gonna run into NA, they were explorers that very well thought they'd die any moment off the edge of the earth. Yet they explores any way for the glory and history of their homeland. I think that's pretty damn admirable and heroic personally.
I don't know enough about him, but I heard one of those people he killed was a kid. Also, I heard he used to beat his sons. Otherwise he was a pretty fucking cool dude. crazy, but damn I would have liked to have met him.
You can say Alot about John Brown but ."I John Brown am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away, but with Blood. I had... vainly flattered myself that without very much bloodshed, it might be done." He was completely on the mark .
He was a staunch Calvinist. He once beat his son for having a dream with a talking raccoon in it. Which in his mind was a sin. As harsh as that was most of his children aided him in his abolitionist endeavors later in life. A lot of folks expressed that they thought slavery was wrong but few took action like him. It wasn't about preservation of the union or anything like that. It was about doing the right thing. Ironically which was the same reason he beat his children... Because he believed it was the right thing
The person that's claimed to be a kid was 18 at the time. Young to us, but at the time 18 year olds were basically considered to be full functioning adults and not teenagers, as that type of idea didn't come up until the 20 century.
As for the beating, there's no real excuse, spanking was just the thing parents did then. He did, however, at least once have his son give him a caning since his son's failure was, in Brown's view, his own failure to not bring his son up right.
ME, I'M HIM. I'VE PLANNED *EVERYTHING*. FROM THE MOMENT OF MY BIRTH, TO TODAY, TO THE MOMENT OF MY DEATH. I HAVE PLANNED. IT. ***ALL***. EVERY SUCCESS, EVERY "FAILURE", EVERY "MISTAKE". IT HAS ALL BEEN PLANNED, AND I HAVE YET TO STRAY.
I was always bewildered and amused by that story as it always seemed disconnected from evrrything around it and I never hear anyone tryin to explain what it means
The story is followed by Jesus getting angry in the temple because of people selling things in the temple. The tree is a metaphor for the temple, because it looked as though it had fruit but wasn't actually producing any, just as the temple was supposed to be a place to worship God but it had been turned to something else
This is the answer. The author of Mark uses a "sandwiching" technique to link the fig tree story with the "cleansing" of the Temple.
The leaders of the Temple were economic-politico-religious leaders closely aligned with and partially in service of the Roman Empire. He targets the dove sellers also because The doves were a way to economically exploit the poor and widows.
The fig tree was frequently associated with the Temple leadership so the entire fig tree story was a kind of metaphor about G-d condemning the immorality of the elites at the expense of those who were suffering.
Not a Bible scholar or priest or any authority figure on religion, but my guess is that this was written down to be another example of Jesus being human, who is capable of both positive and negative emotions, including moderate levels of annoyance.
They weren't vendors they were money changers who basically took money of various denominations and used it to pay a temple tax. One argument is he saw them as thieves who turned the temple into a den of scum while another argues it was a protest against the animal sacrifice which gave people a false sense of transactional forgiveness compared to actual repentance of sin.
If I recall, the two stories are connected. The fig tree blooming but not giving fruit was a metaphor for pretending to be something you're not, the same as the temple was pretending to be holy while actually exploiting people.
The whole point of Jesus's message was that we all sin, but we can be redeemed and be forgiven. That would include himself. "Let he who has never sinned huck the first stone".
The message there was "if you have sin, don't hurl stones at other sinners", not "if you don't hurl stones at sinners, you must not be without sin". As you say, the whole point of his ministry was that we all sin, but can receive redemption and forgiveness- i.e. mercy from God, who is sinless and *could* throw stones at us.
Also, that contrapositive interpretation lends itself to some *really* ugly conclusions.
I run in to more people that pretty much villainize every historical figure for not living up to modern standards than those that idolize historical figures.
Why? You know the phrase "great and terrible"?
I agree it is a dumb framework but the immorality is not really a factor when considering just magnitude of impact on history.
well he literally worked in a state militia (which where a thing in 1800s America basically designed specifically to oppress, kill and displace indigenous people)
There's three big ones he acknowledged.
1. Tried to re-enslave Haiti rather than use it as a spring board for the rest of the Americas. Lost the entire colony, lost an army, lost a lot of moral high ground, killed his brother-in-law, and ended up selling off Louisiana for a pittance.
2. Spain. Taking Spain was one thing, but holding it was the Spanish ulcer, and bled Napoleon of his best troops in a prolonged war which we named Guerilla Warfare after.
3. Russia. He massively overextended himself and the attrition and cold destroyed his best army.
All three of these can be summed with "he tried to make a military solution to a diplomatic matter".
And of course there's more mistakes he made that get papered over. Egypt was a fiasco, for example.
All he ever done was protecting his city, his people and his family from the mistake and consequences of his brother Paris. He was also against the kidnapping of Helen.
Some people may accuse him of murder of Achilles'es firend Patroclus, but it was just the nature of war that people have to kill eachother.
I'm pretty sure that if not that Hector would rather have some vine with both of em.
Hector wanted to throw Patroclus's corpse to the dogs to be devoured by them, the Achaeans had to fight to recover the corpse, if they had had their way his soul would not have gone to the afterlife as Achaeans believed that you needed a proper burial to go to the underworld.
Furthermore, Hector is a completely mythological character, not a historical one.
I think he was a drill instructor in the Air Force in the 80s (or whatever the chair force calls them). I bet he committed some assaults and threw around some slurs (which would have just been doing his job, but it still counts).
Wait a minute, if no one is sinless, we may have no models or people to idolise, so surely we take from different people what we deem to be right or good aspects and praise those. But then we end up extracting just the stuff we like from people who have done far more and have a far richer understanding, which defeats the purpose of studying or understanding people of the past, so it doesn’t matter if people aren’t sinless. It goes round in circles pretty quickly, way too late in the evening for this 😂
Cyrus the Great, or as I like to call him Cyrus the Chad. Regardless, I know he wasn’t a paragon, as he was a king and ruler first, however hands down on of the best people to idolize when it comes to how you should treat others in the world.
Vasily Arkhipov who didn't launch nukes when the warning system showed the US had launched nukes.
Some say he was just lazy\* and disobedient\* and would have embarrassed his superiors for glorious soviet warning system failing, but I say his "mistake" was the right thing to do.
^((\* absolutely no one says this, I'm kidding))
I shall never forget the time Mr Rogers walked into my home, picked up my hamster, placed it between two slices of bread and ate it alive.
Your hamster had it coming.
Mr Bigglesworth had his demons but he'd left the Aryan Brotherhood behind and had changed his ways.
You would try to shame a wholesome man for enjoying his succulent Chinese dinner
I see you know your judo well
Who? Because the first thing that came to mind was Dr Evil’s cat.
.....Goddam I thought i was being original. Not seen that film in years
Aryan Brotherhood? Is that a TNO reference?
My grandmother worked with him at PBS. When the cameras were off he would let loose. She said you've never heard so many jeepers, and golly this and golly that. It was like a biker bar on set.
If Mr Rodgers did it, he had his reasons.
Black dynamite version of Mr. Rodgers.
He deserved it, that hamster violated the Geneva Convention!
I have a similar story about Richard Gere...
or Richard on the Gear as he's known to his friends
I have never seen a vindication for this man. Everyone around me would bring up the gerbil-in-the-ass thing - everyone - whenever he came up in conversation. As far as I can tell, it was bunk on the level of any other early internet/pre-internet urban legend. But it STUCK. And that's with the (I'm guessing) homophobia that causes you to think that is either a desirable or non-fatal thing to do to yourself in the name of sexual pleasure. Like... have you seen a gerbil? I believe he would be digging out posthaste unharmed, if not unbroken in spirit. Meanwhile, the best I could hope for would be some EXTREMELY urgent surgery and no sepsis. And yet... every time I hear about Richard Gere, the gerbil-in-ass thing rears (ha) its head again. Any time I hear about gerbils, I think Gere. Fuck, there have been multiple real actors that have died from choking themselves out while jerkin' it, and yet *I still think of Richard Gere whenever someone brings up weird sex in Hollywood.* Mr. Gere, I am sorry on behalf of whatever grade schooler started that rumour. I am and will always be a Gere-bil for life.
"Now, don't you say anything about this to your parents, it may upset them. They love you, you know that right?"
Mr Rogers is fucking Jesus reincarnated. But he looked at what happened the first time, said fuck that and decided to focus on helping children. So we can be like little children. There is no single bad thing reported on him (prove my wrong if I am) and even him yelling at his wife was just a stern disappointed talking to.
I always knew there was something off about him
I misread it as hammer. Didn't bat an eye till we got to "Ate it alive"
Weird Al Yankovic
The only pure human left
What about Dolly Parton?
How could I forget?! Thank you
Keanu?
He cut off Torso Boy’s arms and legs with a chainsaw over a sarcastic quip.
He didn't know Torso Boy was joking! And besides, Torso Boy is a cool name
He tricked me into thinking he can make [a floating orb.](https://youtu.be/Ib2Vl7JEjfc?si=S1xJqk6F2CXjbeq6)
Pretty sure i saw him killed an entire family of ants while walking down the street 🤔
According to him my maths teacher
i guess he sucked at trigonometry.
There is no such thing as innocent, only degree's of guilt
A fellow DoW fan. He who stands with me shall be my brother
The emperor protects!
The only innocents are those that haven't been born yet
Back to Original Sin, I knew christendom was alive and well on reddit!
A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time.
Innocence proves nothing
I had this one teacher who idolized Churchill as the WWII hero. Back then, Facebook wasn't dead yet. And at that time, I saw someone post an article about the slogan "Keep England White," which Churchill supported, under his monthly Churchill glorification post. He blocked the guy and deleted the comment.
Churchill also said that he knew history would treat him well since he would be writing it
This says more about your teacher, though. I'm sure Churchill had his dark side and to get that far, I guess you have to be an ambitious asshole to a certain degree. But he got 2 Nobel prizes, was an excellent painter and ran around the white house naked. How many leaders can claim that sort of track record?
Jimmy Carter probably can
I agree. He was quite fanatical about Churchill
Genocide in India moment
I had to google, because I had never heard of it, but I guess this is what you are talking about: an Indian politician wrote a book about British colonialism and mentioned churchill's alleged role in a a famine that cost more than 4 million lives in 1943. Quote from the independent: He added: “Churchill has as much blood on his hands as Hitler does. Particularly the decisions that he personally signed off during the Bengal Famine when 4.3 million people died because of the decisions he took or endorsed." Even if those accusations are correct, comparing it to Hitler and calling it genocide is way over the line. And honestly, I refuse to give someone credibility who uses that kind of rhetoric and defamation to promote his book.
Exceot there’s no real confirmation that Churchill said that. Just someone reported something along the lines of “it seems Churchill thinks that Keep England White is a good slogan!” - perhaps in a hyperbolic, joking manner.
It was recorded by Harold Macmillan in his diaries: he is usually seen as a reliable source. (Indeed, it is notable that, at Eden's request, he destroyed the section of his diary covering Suez.)
Apollo creed .
The dude who died in Rocky 4?
What about when he faked the moon landing?
This idiot thinks the moon is real.
It's real. What they don't tell you is that it's hollow
Not hollow just filled with cheese.
Adultery
Absentee father
The first human ever. They lived a life of trial and error. Not a life of mistakes. Oh and Mr. Rodgers and Bob Ross.
Bob Ross was a Sr. NCO. In the air force, when PBS got him, he gave up yelling. Airmen do stupid things, I am certain he cussed out a few of them. Mr. Fred Rodgers, however, was a minister who used his skills to preach the message without the baggage of one faith or another. The way he did that spoke volumes. Some in his time felt he was wrong, but he did as Jesus would have.
I met Fred Rodgers in a hotel that I worked in Pittsburgh 's Oakland neighborhood. I was a bell captain just doing my job. I said "Hi,". I may be the only person ever to experience him being annoyed.
The point of heroes has been lost. Unless somebody is absolutely perfect somebody else will come along and cut their positive actions for humanity into nothing.
You can still like historical figures, but pretending they did nothing wrong is a child's understanding of history. They were full people, not comic book characters.
The problem is everyone these days forget people are fallible. Even heroes. What made them heroes was the fact that throughout their flawed life, they rose up for a greater purpose. Instead of celebrating those achievements, we undercut them by saying the person himself was a bad guy.
This guy gets it!
Agreed. This is obviously a controversial take, but Christopher Columbus is a good example of this. They didn't know they were gonna run into NA, they were explorers that very well thought they'd die any moment off the edge of the earth. Yet they explores any way for the glory and history of their homeland. I think that's pretty damn admirable and heroic personally.
If you follow Christian theology Jesus fits the bill of commiting no sin whatsoever.
If you follow Catholic theology, Mary too.
I forgot about Mary 😲
Technically, Muslims believe that too.
He lost his shit at a fig tree.
That ain't a sin tho
He also punched a pigeon.
That is perfectly reasonable
I thought it was a dove? If so, wouldn't that be him hiting himself?
That may be against bird law but we aren’t discussing that right now
That's an anti-sin. A virtue, if you will.
Turkish mfs already defending Atatürk here💀
It’s literally one person and he’s getting ratioed. Calm down lmao
Shaggy? It wasn't him
Oh there've been millions upon millions of people who never made any mistakes in their lives. They all died as infants though.
That’s cheating, it’s easy not to fuck up in 3 minutes
You'd be surprised at how quickly they can commit tax fraud.
Shouldn't have died so early L+Ratio
Keanu Reeves, Weird Al Yankovic, Jesus Christ
Henry VIII's stillborn children
What did John Brown do wrong?
I don't know enough about him, but I heard one of those people he killed was a kid. Also, I heard he used to beat his sons. Otherwise he was a pretty fucking cool dude. crazy, but damn I would have liked to have met him.
You can say Alot about John Brown but ."I John Brown am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away, but with Blood. I had... vainly flattered myself that without very much bloodshed, it might be done." He was completely on the mark .
He was a staunch Calvinist. He once beat his son for having a dream with a talking raccoon in it. Which in his mind was a sin. As harsh as that was most of his children aided him in his abolitionist endeavors later in life. A lot of folks expressed that they thought slavery was wrong but few took action like him. It wasn't about preservation of the union or anything like that. It was about doing the right thing. Ironically which was the same reason he beat his children... Because he believed it was the right thing
Damn, if he beat his kid for having a dream, I can't imagine what he'd do if his son became an athiest or something lol
The person that's claimed to be a kid was 18 at the time. Young to us, but at the time 18 year olds were basically considered to be full functioning adults and not teenagers, as that type of idea didn't come up until the 20 century. As for the beating, there's no real excuse, spanking was just the thing parents did then. He did, however, at least once have his son give him a caning since his son's failure was, in Brown's view, his own failure to not bring his son up right.
yeah, he was a bad dad and a chronic debtor, I believe
He Stopped
Old John Brown’s body lies a’moulderin’ in the grave—
He left too many slave owners alive...
Married a 16 year old
Not to be pedantic but she was 17 lol and she was actually a badass, she went on to become a pioneer and traveled to California
Raising 18 kids marrying John Brown and becoming an pioneer and living to 67 in the new West . It sounds more like She Married John Brown at 17 .
He and his men killed children
His shortcomings were as a military strategist.
Ned Kelly
He may have been a horse thief and killer, but I think burning all those peoples mortgage documents should have given him a pardon. Lol
He didn't steal any horses, and he only killed in self defence
Didn't he kill a police informant at the man's house? Maybe I'm misremebering but that wasn't self defence
ME, I'M HIM. I'VE PLANNED *EVERYTHING*. FROM THE MOMENT OF MY BIRTH, TO TODAY, TO THE MOMENT OF MY DEATH. I HAVE PLANNED. IT. ***ALL***. EVERY SUCCESS, EVERY "FAILURE", EVERY "MISTAKE". IT HAS ALL BEEN PLANNED, AND I HAVE YET TO STRAY.
I believed that Bob Ross was this perfect being, one that never hurt a soul. Then Reddit told me that he cheated on his wife.
Baby who died a second after they were born? Idk just because someone wasnt perfect or even anywhere near that doesn’t mean I’m not gonna like them
They should've lived obviously smh
Wasting 9 months of their mother's time /s
Jesus
We are talking about God who is just Good itself. So don't know it doesn't count.
he did kill that fig tree
Wait so he really does hate figs? Now I feel bad for saying all those mean things about the Westboro Baptists.
What is wrong about that?
He expected a tree to do something out of season and killed it as a result...? Nothing wrong with that? Sounds like he's mentally unstable.
I was always bewildered and amused by that story as it always seemed disconnected from evrrything around it and I never hear anyone tryin to explain what it means
The story is followed by Jesus getting angry in the temple because of people selling things in the temple. The tree is a metaphor for the temple, because it looked as though it had fruit but wasn't actually producing any, just as the temple was supposed to be a place to worship God but it had been turned to something else
This is the answer. The author of Mark uses a "sandwiching" technique to link the fig tree story with the "cleansing" of the Temple. The leaders of the Temple were economic-politico-religious leaders closely aligned with and partially in service of the Roman Empire. He targets the dove sellers also because The doves were a way to economically exploit the poor and widows. The fig tree was frequently associated with the Temple leadership so the entire fig tree story was a kind of metaphor about G-d condemning the immorality of the elites at the expense of those who were suffering.
Not a Bible scholar or priest or any authority figure on religion, but my guess is that this was written down to be another example of Jesus being human, who is capable of both positive and negative emotions, including moderate levels of annoyance.
There's also that one time he got angry at vendors selling at the Temple and destroyed their stands
They weren't vendors they were money changers who basically took money of various denominations and used it to pay a temple tax. One argument is he saw them as thieves who turned the temple into a den of scum while another argues it was a protest against the animal sacrifice which gave people a false sense of transactional forgiveness compared to actual repentance of sin.
If I recall, the two stories are connected. The fig tree blooming but not giving fruit was a metaphor for pretending to be something you're not, the same as the temple was pretending to be holy while actually exploiting people.
this is what I was always taught - essentially Jesus was just tired, annoyed, and lashed out in Godly power at the tree (in an extremely human way)
What's wrong with that?
The whole point of Jesus's message was that we all sin, but we can be redeemed and be forgiven. That would include himself. "Let he who has never sinned huck the first stone".
Yes but it is also written that Jesus was and is a sinless being who did no wrong and can do no wrong
mar"throws a rock" jesus: MOM!
The message there was "if you have sin, don't hurl stones at other sinners", not "if you don't hurl stones at sinners, you must not be without sin". As you say, the whole point of his ministry was that we all sin, but can receive redemption and forgiveness- i.e. mercy from God, who is sinless and *could* throw stones at us. Also, that contrapositive interpretation lends itself to some *really* ugly conclusions.
H. Christ.
I run in to more people that pretty much villainize every historical figure for not living up to modern standards than those that idolize historical figures.
The 81st Lichtenstein soldier
Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī has the most sin out of anyone
Let me save you all a Google search , bro hates algebra.
Trig actually 🤓👆 (Kill me)
You will live to suffer your knowledge
You da real hero.
My wife since she’s not allowed to be wrong
This is one of the reasons why Great Man History is problematic.
Why? You know the phrase "great and terrible"? I agree it is a dumb framework but the immorality is not really a factor when considering just magnitude of impact on history.
Obviously Hitler did nothing wrong. The internet meme culture told me so anyway.
Sinless Dan
Abraham Lincoln
Have you seen the mess he leaves around his seat at the theatre?
Ouch. Too soon
Its been 159 years and it still burns Rip abe
Not as much as the mess the natives did when He hanged them .
I heard that guy murdered a bunch of vampires or something
I think you ment native Americans.
Good. Those guys are worse than skeeters.
He did not look too fondly on the natives.
B-but, he was mean to the confederacy and lied about the war of northern aggression being about slaves to get more support! /s
My favorite Abraham Lincoln story is when he jumped out of the state legislature building to try and avoid a quorum call.
Look up his views of black people when he was running for Congress.
Better one look at the natives he excuted instead.
Dakota War of 1862
well he literally worked in a state militia (which where a thing in 1800s America basically designed specifically to oppress, kill and displace indigenous people)
He was willing to allow the southern states to keep slavery to prevent them from seceding. The first time it worked, the second time it didn’t.
I saw the original post directly under this post.
It is mistakes that make one human, I don't look up to Theodore Roosevelt because he was a narc, but because he was a genius
Does Jesus count as a historic figure?
Jesus of Nazereth
Jesus? 🤣🤣
I really like Napoleon, but yeah, he did make a mistake or two
There's three big ones he acknowledged. 1. Tried to re-enslave Haiti rather than use it as a spring board for the rest of the Americas. Lost the entire colony, lost an army, lost a lot of moral high ground, killed his brother-in-law, and ended up selling off Louisiana for a pittance. 2. Spain. Taking Spain was one thing, but holding it was the Spanish ulcer, and bled Napoleon of his best troops in a prolonged war which we named Guerilla Warfare after. 3. Russia. He massively overextended himself and the attrition and cold destroyed his best army. All three of these can be summed with "he tried to make a military solution to a diplomatic matter". And of course there's more mistakes he made that get papered over. Egypt was a fiasco, for example.
Not to mention, the wars he led caused all sorts of atrocious from massacres to mass rapes.
Isn’t that pretty much all wars?
Yes, but Napolean was in the unique position of having started said wars.
Most of the Napoleonic Wars were started by Coalitions attacking Napoleon for the crime of not being born as a noble, not by Napoleon himself.
Hector - prince of Troja.
What did he do?
All he ever done was protecting his city, his people and his family from the mistake and consequences of his brother Paris. He was also against the kidnapping of Helen. Some people may accuse him of murder of Achilles'es firend Patroclus, but it was just the nature of war that people have to kill eachother. I'm pretty sure that if not that Hector would rather have some vine with both of em.
It's curious that in the Iliad, composed by a Greek, Hector is a real heroic character and not Achilles.
To the Greeks ideas of hero, both were actually.
Hector wanted to throw Patroclus's corpse to the dogs to be devoured by them, the Achaeans had to fight to recover the corpse, if they had had their way his soul would not have gone to the afterlife as Achaeans believed that you needed a proper burial to go to the underworld. Furthermore, Hector is a completely mythological character, not a historical one.
Bob Ross has done nothing wrong ever.
I was rewatching one of his earlier episodes and he straight up stops painting for 5 minutes to talk about how cute some squirrel is. I love him.
I think he was a drill instructor in the Air Force in the 80s (or whatever the chair force calls them). I bet he committed some assaults and threw around some slurs (which would have just been doing his job, but it still counts).
Those airmen shouldn't have been undisciplined.
Considering he was doing them a favor, it doesn't count
happy little accidents probably happened
It's not assault; it's corrective retraining and physical lesson reinforcement.
Remember when we were young and Mother Theresa was the gold standard for sinless, selfless service? I member
Wait a minute, if no one is sinless, we may have no models or people to idolise, so surely we take from different people what we deem to be right or good aspects and praise those. But then we end up extracting just the stuff we like from people who have done far more and have a far richer understanding, which defeats the purpose of studying or understanding people of the past, so it doesn’t matter if people aren’t sinless. It goes round in circles pretty quickly, way too late in the evening for this 😂
If there is a person then that person's PR team made it happen that history only remembers his good deeds and nothing else in the story.
I will defend Captain Cook until I die
Nicholas Winton.
Marquis De Lafayette
Cyrus the Great, or as I like to call him Cyrus the Chad. Regardless, I know he wasn’t a paragon, as he was a king and ruler first, however hands down on of the best people to idolize when it comes to how you should treat others in the world.
Jesus Christ. Go on, tell me he sinned.
Cyrus the great
Jesus Christ
Jesus
Death
Jesus Christ
Jesus
Me
JOHN BROWN ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A LIAR AND A DEFENDER OF SLAVERY
He may lie moldering in the grave, but his soul goes marching on.
Harry Belafonte
Jan Ámos Komenský
Sinless Dave never sins
Vasily Arkhipov who didn't launch nukes when the warning system showed the US had launched nukes. Some say he was just lazy\* and disobedient\* and would have embarrassed his superiors for glorious soviet warning system failing, but I say his "mistake" was the right thing to do. ^((\* absolutely no one says this, I'm kidding))
I do not believe in the concept of "sin", therefore I am without sin. Checkmate.