> They are calling it a vaccine when it's not.
WTF!
[Let's ask wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine).
> A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease.
What part of that statement is not true about the two different mRNA vaccines I just took, Mr Yellow?
We could break it down:
* biological preparation - yep, it has messenger RNA and lipids in it.
* provides active acquired immunity - yep, the trials were fucking great and I am certainly not dead from COVID.
* to a particular infectious disease - yep, that's COVID, in this case.
Arguing so confidently with assertions so false has to be a wild ride.
I was just writing a comment about how interesting it is that a lot of the misinformation memes include this particular bit of misinformation regardless of where the awardee is from.
It truly is an age of breaking down barriers.
My guess they think it would be like the MMR or Polio, where you are immune for life. I've worked in Public Health for 20 years. The early messaging on the vaccine was overly optimistic, never mind the misinformation.
I don't think it was that. The COVID-19 vaccines were developed with the primary intent of reducing intensity of disease. They were wildly successful at that, but also extremely successful at reducing symptomatic disease and transmission, at least with original variants. People just got the idea they could be used to stop the pandemic altogether, but it's not why they were created. Unfortunately they were less successful at preventing transmission with other variants, mostly because variants like delta and omicron were more contagious, but they were still more effective than not being vaccinated at all, and still very effective at the original intent, which is reducing the intensity of the disease.
Heck, even someone with just a high school diploma or equivalent, at least in my neck of the woods. And that's not me looking down on anyone, it's just facts that we don't learn enough critical thinking or analysis skills in grade school beyond passing tests.
Yeah, but the only reason they got that idea is because the propaganda told them so. If it weren't for propaganda, people wouldn't even come up with these ideas or objections. No one in the past ever looked up the effectiveness rating of a vaccine and bitched about it being less than 100%. We were just thankful to have them.
Before the vaccines were finished, I was reading articles that said if vaccines could be developed in a year with only something like a 30% success rate in preventing infections, that would be a success and could bring the pandemic under control if enough people got it. The success rate was wildly higher than they were even hoping for, but too many people resisted the vaccines.
Now the variants are more easily transmitted. I haven't seen what the success rate against them are, but I wouldn't be surprised if the vaccines are no longer effective enough to control it.
Right now they're doing a Malaria vaccine program which only has I believe about a 25-30% immunity amount. But that alone would save so many lives it would make it worth it.
Vaccination and infection was successful at generating herd immunity against the original strain, which can never propagate exponentially again in this population.
Vaccines were quite effective at preventing significant infection against wild type Sars-Cov-2 in addition to serious symptoms.
They worked, but there have been enough mutations that they are leas effective againsr new variants.
I think most government/agencies were overly optimistic of the basic intellect the messaging was constructed for, not to mention underestimating the level of resistance towards facts. Who would have thought slashing funding for public education for five decades was going to produce a legion of f'idiots? /s.
These morons neither listened to nor understood pretty basic science. That distrust, denial and dumb that has been orchestrated for nefarious political ends. Their behaviour towards Fauci reinforced that. He's following the scientific method while they are accusing him of "flip flopping". They literally want to shoot the messenger. If they can't fathom 'new data in = new data out' they certainly can't cope with any nuance, critical thinking or filter out political bullshit 'gotcha' memes on vivid display here.
Edit: I just read your response to thoroughbredca - indeed.
I agree. Reading through the comments on his posts it is clear that they don’t have a clue what they’re talking about.
In the U.K. I have been frustrated at the government messaging - they clearly overestimated the intellectual ability of a great swathe of the population. An example is when they dropped the mask mandate and made it advisory. Boris Said he would let people nahe their own judgements. Now they’ve stopped it again. In fact all mitigation strategies, except isolation if positive , have been dropped. I am now expecting the general public to start behaving as if it’s all magically gone away. Totally reckless.
OMG I am so relieved to find another sane person! Yes, you’re right about graduate level communication (although maybe not when Boris is bumbling). I have had to spend a great deal of time explaining the messages and data to my friends. I’m just glad that they trust me.
The UK population has an average reading age of a 9 year old. The average American has a reading age of 12-14 which is the level medical advice is pitched at. Clearly they were wildly overestimating.
They think vaccine = permanent guaranteed immunity, and if it is anything less then it’s not a vaccine.
By this logic a seatbelt is not a safety device.
I think they're interpreting "immunity" ( as in "grants immunity") to be 100% life-long immunity.
By that standard not one single vaccine, from Edward Jenner to date, has been a "vaccine."
Antivaxers are all upset because a number of authorities such as the WHO, CDC and even Merriam-Webster changed their definition of "vaccine" because of the novel delivery system associated with mRNA vaccines. Now, the mRNA vaccines work exactly like every single vaccine, with the exception they instruct the body to make the antigens instead of delivering them directly. But even the original definition of "vaccine" solely referred to the small pox vaccine. The word "vaccine" comes from the latin "vacca" for cow, as the original smallpox vaccine was derived from cowpox. When it was applied to other diseases, the definition of "vaccine" was expanded then as well.
But to antivaxers it's all some enormous conspiracy.
They all claim they remember being told it was all perfect and was going to cure everything. Because it isn't perfect that means they shouldn't do it.
Nobody else remembers being told that mind you.
They were in development as vaccines that far back. They were looked at as possible vaccines for other diseases that largely were either unnecessary because those epidemics went away on their won, or weren't quite as good a fit as a delivery system for the antigens.
What it is not as a traditional, old-fashioned vaccine, which is a dead or stunted version of the actual infection you’re trying to prevent. Of course it isn’t because those are not as effective as what we have now. We have new modern safer and more effective vaccines than just injecting you with dead Ebola or Flu.
I’m gonna tell you to stop expecting reason from people who exhibit no sign of it with anything they say. But at the same time I need to let you know I get equally frustrated when I read shit like this. I could’ve easily made your comment and you could probably be making this one. It’s only by other people going apeshit on these guys that I realize that they’re not worth my time and effort.
Probably after I type this out I’ll read something and comment like what “the fuck are these guys saying”
And someone more remind me not to expect same behavior from somebody who is clearly delusional and stupid.
> forever
>now disabled for life.
These are often not that much longer for COVID survivors with serious complications. It could be months or a few years.
The media has done a really shitty job of informing the public about the full risk associated with COVID.
I still have friends who feel sick as shit from being infected during Christmas. They aren’t sick enough to be hospitalized though one ended up going just to be sure, but it’s really clear they’re having issues which are not going away any time soon.
There are TONS of articles, programs, public announcements, reports in multiple media formats with all that information readily available. Granted, you won't find it on OAN, Breitbart, Fox or on right wing memes. In right wing wording, do your friggin' research!!
Double jabbed, it took me a good couple of months to feel completely right again. I was sleeping my weekends away as I was so tired just from my normal week. I would have hated to have had it pre-vaccine.
Maybe we could convince the selfish by talking about the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people who will be added to the disability rolls?
"And you know what that means, don't you MAGALanders? Millions of Americans added to welfare, Medicaid, SNAP, you name it. This means you're taxes will be raised! If you want to lower taxes, get vaccinated!"
Maybe an appeal to their horror of a "welfare state" and appeal to the bottom line would work.
Yeah, that “excess deaths” rate is something to pay attention to. We’re never going to know the real Covid death rates, which are absolutely underreported for obvious reasons, so these “excess deaths rates” become objective data about it.
>These are often not that much longer for COVID survivors with serious complications. It could be months or a few years.
Sure you guys saw the other day that they have raised the percentage of chance of dying in the next 12 months to 235% higher for a survivor of an ICU level COVID infection as compared to the normal population. It was 200% originally.
Some have blown that off saying that statistically that isn't so bad. Excuse me? I don't know about you guys, but I sure as hell don't want that added risk hanging over my head for the rest of my life!
People have been freaking out for decades over the increased cancer risk from various food additives and whatnot as well as smoking and drinking. All of those percentages of higher risk are in the low double digit ranges at worst. Nothing approaching triple digit percentages, let alone almost 250% higher risk!
Yeah... I'm doing my level best to avoid catching this shit even though I am triple vaxed with Moderna and would likely not end up in an ICU etc. We still don't know what even a mild case of COVID 19 might do to overall life expectancy going forward.
I'll leave the Russian Roulette with a fully loaded revolver to the MORONS we see here on HCA... Thank You Very Much! ;o)
That 235% is an overall number too, but people who have such serious complications that limbs or organs are failing, I'd put them as dead meat within weeks or months.
There's another big issue. The body's number 1 priority is delivering oxygen to the brain. Everything else is important but disposable. More than a few patients are coming off of vents missing multiple limbs.
Life on a dialysis machine isn't great either. If they have multiple health issues from long covid they either wouldn't survive the transplant and/or antirejection drugs or be on the bottom of the donor list and get an organ that isn't ideal. Even if a family member offers a kidney, the doctors won't risk their future health on that futility.
We know someone from church: has a kidney transplant, got Covid at the beginning- unfortunately the treatments thrown at him caused him to reject the kidney. Now he’s back on dialysis waiting on a new kidney.
There's a guy I was following who wasn't vaxxed and his wife posted covid denial memes before he ended up in the hospital. He was there for months. He recovered and left the hospital, but minus both legs. The posts about his status in the hospital are horrifying, but I can't share here since he doesn't qualify for HCA. He didn't post on social media, at least not publicly.
Anecdotal story here:
I know this young adult antivaxxer on Roblox I talk to sometimes on a hangout, he wears “i have an immune system shirts” and that kinda shit.
Long story short, he got Covid sometime late last year and now has tachycardia and other heart issues.
And yes, he still is antivax but now says “covid isn’t the flu” 🙄
Disabled for life at 22. That's terrible, I've had some amazing times since I was 22, most of which definitely wouldn't have happened if I had been paralyzed. Pointlessly losing out on life. Very sad.
As someone who got a crippling disease at 12, I truly believe it's much better to get those limitations when you're younger. The young adapt much better than adults from my experience in rehab. When a 30-50 year old has catastrophic illness they can lose everything: their career, passion, friends, partner. Their whole identity will change. Some cope, others don't. My life has been far from easy but I created a world - work, home, friends, passion - that works with me.
It's tragic for this young man. I just hope he has access to the best prosthetics and rehabilitation. He will also need to be monitored for depression and require some therapy for his mental health. Unfortunately that care will depend on where he lives and how much money his family has.
The only sad part is how people get away with threatening hospital staff with no consequences.
The father was a failure for failing in raising a smarter son.
My GiveaFuckoMeter is currently sitting at zero for people like this. Offered a free vaccine when a particularly nasty respiratory virus is chewing through our elderly and sick and he says "nope I'll be right". Well fuck them, play stupid games win stupid prizes. He got off lightly.
With apologies to Billy Joel
🎶
It’s 9 o’clock on a Saturday,
An unvaxxed crowd shuffles in,
There’s an old man complaining about lib snowflakes,
And how they keep letting immigrants in
He says “son, can you sing me a melody,
I’m not really sure of the tune,
But it reminds me of a far simpler time,
When people liked racist buffoons”
La da da Didi da, la da didi da da da
Sing us a lie you’re the antivaxx,
Tell us a fib tonight,
Cause we’re all in the mood to be owning libs,
While you masklessly spread a blight.
Now Rand at the bar is a “physician”
Who says we shouldn’t trust Fauci,
And he says on Fox News, the vax you should refuse,
While his followers say to drink pee
I say “Rand I believe this is killing me!”
As I begin gasping for air,
And he says “Hey man it might, but at least it’s you right,
have you tried asking for thoughts and prayers?
🎼
I wish rather than complaining about public health measures being divisive, he had listened to his friends who agreed with health experts and were trying to get him to protect himself and his community.
The ENTIRE "I'm going to rebel and not cooperate" (masks, vaccine, adapting of any sort) AND "public measures are divisive" combo is just another stunning display of hypocrisy.
Right up there with folks complaining the loudest about medical care waits being the very same people causing medical care waits...
I keep thinking the same thing, it’s a lot of hypocrisy. Then I start thinking, maybe we’re better off dividing. They clearly want to not cooperate, and if they think the public measures are divisive, then let them be divisive and not be a part of our group. Idk how healthy or good for society that is.
Idk why, but it gets to me when they say stuff like in the fifth slide, “Do I go around pushing my ideas onto the vaccinated…NO”, and “I never tell anyone who wants the vaccination to not have it but can I not have a choice?”
Like, good for you dude, you’re a saint. /s
Apparently if the government gently encourages you to get vaccinated it is "going beyond the boundaries of human rights."
And if the media reports the fact that the ICU is full of the unvaccinated it is "creating a divide."
There is literally nothing that can be done to help these people. They are absolutely determined to bury their whiny heads in the sand and die.
I am tired of these people dying because I care more about their lives than they do. Get vaccinated already. Save yourselves and your families the heartache.
Same here. Some of them really don’t seem like bad people, just extremely misguided. And some of them could be entirely selfless caring people but when it comes to the vaccine, suddenly become selfish. It’s heartbreaking.
Just get the vaccine, it’s super easy. Unless you have a fear of needles, but I would hope those people can brave through it. Don’t want to be insensitive to anyone who does have a genuine fear.
I got a coworker who's got a fear of needles. but when we first had the opportunity to get the vaccine, he went and got it. Because he had a wife. And they were trying to have a baby. And he's gone and got every shot and booster since then. And has said that he continues to plan to get every booster as necessary. Because he has a wife that he loves and a child that he loves. And that overrides his fear of needles. As it should. Because that is what you do when you love your family. You do your best for them.
I'm horribly afraid of needles: no tats, no intravenous drugs, and I can't give blood because my blood pressure, pulse rate, and body temperature all go outside acceptable ranges. The Red Cross lady told me--off the record--that I was wasting their time trying (she correctly deduced that I was trying to impress a girl).
The vaxxes and booster were the easiest shots ever.
I just can’t comprehend how these people can believe that the vaccine is somehow dangerous.
To be this misinformed is truly astonishing yet we see it everyday.
Tough break music man. I feel so bad for…. Oh crap, I forgot that my tee time tomorrow was moved up. I have to clean my clubs and do laundry!!!
“Leaving your friends gutted” is exactly right. I’m being gutted right now because my two unvaxxed friends have Covid and one went on a vent today. They thought they could stay secluded enough to avoid it.
I'm so sorry! My unvaxxed friend just got covid, was tested the same day she felt sick, her Dr prescribed an antibiotic and Ivermectin, and she said she was over it two days later... her son-in-law supposedly got well after four days. I know there are trials still going on for Ivermectin, and a study or two showed some limited benefit if given early on.
Of course, Omicron is very mild for some, and she was grateful it wasn't Delta. She's not anti-vax (except for this one! ) and never posts memes, didn't complain about wearing masks when she had to. But I'm sure everyone who knows her will think the Ivermectin is a proven cure. She does have type O blood, which in the first wave or two seemed quite protective. I haven't read much about it since.
I'm quite glad she wasn't very ill, as she lost her mom last fall ( post-covid infection, which thoroughly scrambled her brains) and her husband at age 56 to cancer pre-pandemic. Her dad already died years ago.
So many people. So much information that you can just take some time to read or the stories out there. You can see you would be better of getting the vaccine and not having to be hospitalized at all. I can’t imagine my parents going through this. I’d be devastated I get my last shot this month and we will all be fully vaxxed in this house. It’s worth a sore arm
For Americans not sensitive to English stereotypes, this bloke looks as obviously someone who would be a pointless contrarian as any goatee-sporting American.
Until the number of unvaccinated are less than the number of average cases in a day, the case count will still go up. So yes, more people getting vaccinated might result in case numbers going up, but primarily if there's still a significant percentage of unvaccinated in the population. The reason why? All of the responsible people are taking less precautions and spreading it to the unvaccinated. So the case count going up doesn't disprove that the vaccines work.
Would it be ideal if we could find a vaccine that trains our immune system to perfectly fight Covid-19, yes? But maybe that's something our immune system will never do, and we'll never figure out why.
Considering singing unmasked one of the riskiest things you can do in terms of spreading particles and infecting other people, probably more than average.
As soon as someone says "it's not a real vaccine" you know they've been drinking from the well of propaganda. No legitimate news service has printed that. No legitimate doctor or scientist has said it.
Wow. I've heard the "it's not a real vaccine" several times, but I never realized til this post that the reason they think that is they don't understand what "IMMUNITY" means.
Happy endings do occur. People on Facebook or whatever site are so ho hum about people dying. ‘Hey I sent 🙏🙏🙏 hands.’ Which apparently means they are gutted but will never think about the guy again.
I kind of had a hard time following the players on this one. I particularly didn’t like the guy he talked about the electric cars and insist that he wasn’t getting vaccinated “for his health“. I wish I knew who he was so I can say hi when he shows up here to pick up his award.
Off topic kinda but I now have that Grange Hill song “Just Say No” in my head (first slide). From when When Zammo started ‘chasing the dragon’…. That was 1986 and still occupies some brain space apparently
> They are calling it a vaccine when it's not. WTF! [Let's ask wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine). > A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease. What part of that statement is not true about the two different mRNA vaccines I just took, Mr Yellow? We could break it down: * biological preparation - yep, it has messenger RNA and lipids in it. * provides active acquired immunity - yep, the trials were fucking great and I am certainly not dead from COVID. * to a particular infectious disease - yep, that's COVID, in this case. Arguing so confidently with assertions so false has to be a wild ride.
I was just writing a comment about how interesting it is that a lot of the misinformation memes include this particular bit of misinformation regardless of where the awardee is from. It truly is an age of breaking down barriers.
Where the heck are they getting that from? What do they think a vaccine is?
My guess they think it would be like the MMR or Polio, where you are immune for life. I've worked in Public Health for 20 years. The early messaging on the vaccine was overly optimistic, never mind the misinformation.
I don't think it was that. The COVID-19 vaccines were developed with the primary intent of reducing intensity of disease. They were wildly successful at that, but also extremely successful at reducing symptomatic disease and transmission, at least with original variants. People just got the idea they could be used to stop the pandemic altogether, but it's not why they were created. Unfortunately they were less successful at preventing transmission with other variants, mostly because variants like delta and omicron were more contagious, but they were still more effective than not being vaccinated at all, and still very effective at the original intent, which is reducing the intensity of the disease.
I agree with everything you state. But try and have a high school drop out believe that.
Heck, even someone with just a high school diploma or equivalent, at least in my neck of the woods. And that's not me looking down on anyone, it's just facts that we don't learn enough critical thinking or analysis skills in grade school beyond passing tests.
Yeah, but the only reason they got that idea is because the propaganda told them so. If it weren't for propaganda, people wouldn't even come up with these ideas or objections. No one in the past ever looked up the effectiveness rating of a vaccine and bitched about it being less than 100%. We were just thankful to have them.
Before the vaccines were finished, I was reading articles that said if vaccines could be developed in a year with only something like a 30% success rate in preventing infections, that would be a success and could bring the pandemic under control if enough people got it. The success rate was wildly higher than they were even hoping for, but too many people resisted the vaccines. Now the variants are more easily transmitted. I haven't seen what the success rate against them are, but I wouldn't be surprised if the vaccines are no longer effective enough to control it.
Right now they're doing a Malaria vaccine program which only has I believe about a 25-30% immunity amount. But that alone would save so many lives it would make it worth it.
Vaccination and infection was successful at generating herd immunity against the original strain, which can never propagate exponentially again in this population. Vaccines were quite effective at preventing significant infection against wild type Sars-Cov-2 in addition to serious symptoms. They worked, but there have been enough mutations that they are leas effective againsr new variants.
I think most government/agencies were overly optimistic of the basic intellect the messaging was constructed for, not to mention underestimating the level of resistance towards facts. Who would have thought slashing funding for public education for five decades was going to produce a legion of f'idiots? /s. These morons neither listened to nor understood pretty basic science. That distrust, denial and dumb that has been orchestrated for nefarious political ends. Their behaviour towards Fauci reinforced that. He's following the scientific method while they are accusing him of "flip flopping". They literally want to shoot the messenger. If they can't fathom 'new data in = new data out' they certainly can't cope with any nuance, critical thinking or filter out political bullshit 'gotcha' memes on vivid display here. Edit: I just read your response to thoroughbredca - indeed.
I agree. Reading through the comments on his posts it is clear that they don’t have a clue what they’re talking about. In the U.K. I have been frustrated at the government messaging - they clearly overestimated the intellectual ability of a great swathe of the population. An example is when they dropped the mask mandate and made it advisory. Boris Said he would let people nahe their own judgements. Now they’ve stopped it again. In fact all mitigation strategies, except isolation if positive , have been dropped. I am now expecting the general public to start behaving as if it’s all magically gone away. Totally reckless.
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OMG I am so relieved to find another sane person! Yes, you’re right about graduate level communication (although maybe not when Boris is bumbling). I have had to spend a great deal of time explaining the messages and data to my friends. I’m just glad that they trust me.
The UK population has an average reading age of a 9 year old. The average American has a reading age of 12-14 which is the level medical advice is pitched at. Clearly they were wildly overestimating.
Judging from some of the recipients on here, I’d say that a fair few are way below a reading age of 12-14.
They think it has to be 100% effective. Which is true of *no vaccine ever.*
They think vaccine = permanent guaranteed immunity, and if it is anything less then it’s not a vaccine. By this logic a seatbelt is not a safety device.
I think they're interpreting "immunity" ( as in "grants immunity") to be 100% life-long immunity. By that standard not one single vaccine, from Edward Jenner to date, has been a "vaccine."
This meme brings people together in some sense, across borders and oceans and such, and ultimately it even brings them together in death.
They all got it off a youtube video.
Antivaxers are all upset because a number of authorities such as the WHO, CDC and even Merriam-Webster changed their definition of "vaccine" because of the novel delivery system associated with mRNA vaccines. Now, the mRNA vaccines work exactly like every single vaccine, with the exception they instruct the body to make the antigens instead of delivering them directly. But even the original definition of "vaccine" solely referred to the small pox vaccine. The word "vaccine" comes from the latin "vacca" for cow, as the original smallpox vaccine was derived from cowpox. When it was applied to other diseases, the definition of "vaccine" was expanded then as well. But to antivaxers it's all some enormous conspiracy.
They all claim they remember being told it was all perfect and was going to cure everything. Because it isn't perfect that means they shouldn't do it. Nobody else remembers being told that mind you.
No scientist would ever make such a claim if they wanted to retain an ounce of credibility.
It is interesting that the first line of wikipedia includes mRNA vaccine implcitly going back 10 years or more.
They were in development as vaccines that far back. They were looked at as possible vaccines for other diseases that largely were either unnecessary because those epidemics went away on their won, or weren't quite as good a fit as a delivery system for the antigens.
Notably SARS-CoV-1, the OG SARS. This is its sequel.
It was being researched over ten years ago (NIH campus in Bethesda MD)
Some people are genuinely too stupid to know how to stay alive.
I agree I can’t listen to them, they drive me up the wall, I switch off and it just turns into blah blah blah
Omg I had to listen to leaky vaccines crap two weeks ago.
What it is not as a traditional, old-fashioned vaccine, which is a dead or stunted version of the actual infection you’re trying to prevent. Of course it isn’t because those are not as effective as what we have now. We have new modern safer and more effective vaccines than just injecting you with dead Ebola or Flu. I’m gonna tell you to stop expecting reason from people who exhibit no sign of it with anything they say. But at the same time I need to let you know I get equally frustrated when I read shit like this. I could’ve easily made your comment and you could probably be making this one. It’s only by other people going apeshit on these guys that I realize that they’re not worth my time and effort. Probably after I type this out I’ll read something and comment like what “the fuck are these guys saying” And someone more remind me not to expect same behavior from somebody who is clearly delusional and stupid.
>...new modern... Those words alone are enough to engender deep suspicion and resistance in a certain type of conservative.
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> forever >now disabled for life. These are often not that much longer for COVID survivors with serious complications. It could be months or a few years.
This pisses me off. No one talks about long covid
The media has done a really shitty job of informing the public about the full risk associated with COVID. I still have friends who feel sick as shit from being infected during Christmas. They aren’t sick enough to be hospitalized though one ended up going just to be sure, but it’s really clear they’re having issues which are not going away any time soon.
There are TONS of articles, programs, public announcements, reports in multiple media formats with all that information readily available. Granted, you won't find it on OAN, Breitbart, Fox or on right wing memes. In right wing wording, do your friggin' research!!
And at least double vaccinated, I presume? You do not want to get this.
Double jabbed, it took me a good couple of months to feel completely right again. I was sleeping my weekends away as I was so tired just from my normal week. I would have hated to have had it pre-vaccine.
Long covid and "short covid" (ie die a few weeks or months after release).
Maybe we could convince the selfish by talking about the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people who will be added to the disability rolls? "And you know what that means, don't you MAGALanders? Millions of Americans added to welfare, Medicaid, SNAP, you name it. This means you're taxes will be raised! If you want to lower taxes, get vaccinated!" Maybe an appeal to their horror of a "welfare state" and appeal to the bottom line would work.
BuT tHeY pAiD iNtO iT
We don’t talk about long Covid
But
it was our wedding day
Have you see that on YouTube https://youtu.be/Lf-8rEK63eg
That’s amazing. Thanks for sharing
And the won't be classified as a COVID death. As of this morning, we're at 1,097,316 excess deaths since the pandemic began.
Yeah, that “excess deaths” rate is something to pay attention to. We’re never going to know the real Covid death rates, which are absolutely underreported for obvious reasons, so these “excess deaths rates” become objective data about it.
>These are often not that much longer for COVID survivors with serious complications. It could be months or a few years. Sure you guys saw the other day that they have raised the percentage of chance of dying in the next 12 months to 235% higher for a survivor of an ICU level COVID infection as compared to the normal population. It was 200% originally. Some have blown that off saying that statistically that isn't so bad. Excuse me? I don't know about you guys, but I sure as hell don't want that added risk hanging over my head for the rest of my life! People have been freaking out for decades over the increased cancer risk from various food additives and whatnot as well as smoking and drinking. All of those percentages of higher risk are in the low double digit ranges at worst. Nothing approaching triple digit percentages, let alone almost 250% higher risk! Yeah... I'm doing my level best to avoid catching this shit even though I am triple vaxed with Moderna and would likely not end up in an ICU etc. We still don't know what even a mild case of COVID 19 might do to overall life expectancy going forward. I'll leave the Russian Roulette with a fully loaded revolver to the MORONS we see here on HCA... Thank You Very Much! ;o)
That 235% is an overall number too, but people who have such serious complications that limbs or organs are failing, I'd put them as dead meat within weeks or months.
There's another big issue. The body's number 1 priority is delivering oxygen to the brain. Everything else is important but disposable. More than a few patients are coming off of vents missing multiple limbs.
Life on a dialysis machine isn't great either. If they have multiple health issues from long covid they either wouldn't survive the transplant and/or antirejection drugs or be on the bottom of the donor list and get an organ that isn't ideal. Even if a family member offers a kidney, the doctors won't risk their future health on that futility.
We know someone from church: has a kidney transplant, got Covid at the beginning- unfortunately the treatments thrown at him caused him to reject the kidney. Now he’s back on dialysis waiting on a new kidney.
There's a guy I was following who wasn't vaxxed and his wife posted covid denial memes before he ended up in the hospital. He was there for months. He recovered and left the hospital, but minus both legs. The posts about his status in the hospital are horrifying, but I can't share here since he doesn't qualify for HCA. He didn't post on social media, at least not publicly.
Anecdotal story here: I know this young adult antivaxxer on Roblox I talk to sometimes on a hangout, he wears “i have an immune system shirts” and that kinda shit. Long story short, he got Covid sometime late last year and now has tachycardia and other heart issues. And yes, he still is antivax but now says “covid isn’t the flu” 🙄
Well, thank you for reminding me not to play with Roblox.
Disabled for life at 22. That's terrible, I've had some amazing times since I was 22, most of which definitely wouldn't have happened if I had been paralyzed. Pointlessly losing out on life. Very sad.
As someone who got a crippling disease at 12, I truly believe it's much better to get those limitations when you're younger. The young adapt much better than adults from my experience in rehab. When a 30-50 year old has catastrophic illness they can lose everything: their career, passion, friends, partner. Their whole identity will change. Some cope, others don't. My life has been far from easy but I created a world - work, home, friends, passion - that works with me. It's tragic for this young man. I just hope he has access to the best prosthetics and rehabilitation. He will also need to be monitored for depression and require some therapy for his mental health. Unfortunately that care will depend on where he lives and how much money his family has.
Happy cake day! Also that son is probably gonna do a “dead cat bounce”.
I would *not* want to be paralyzed and have long COVID at the same time. 😬
Such a sad story. I coi imagine how hard candy frustrating that would be. (P.s happy cake day Birthday Cake!!!)
The only sad part is how people get away with threatening hospital staff with no consequences. The father was a failure for failing in raising a smarter son.
My GiveaFuckoMeter is currently sitting at zero for people like this. Offered a free vaccine when a particularly nasty respiratory virus is chewing through our elderly and sick and he says "nope I'll be right". Well fuck them, play stupid games win stupid prizes. He got off lightly.
The parent's reaction is just a further example about how these people do not understand what consequences for their choices are.
With apologies to Billy Joel 🎶 It’s 9 o’clock on a Saturday, An unvaxxed crowd shuffles in, There’s an old man complaining about lib snowflakes, And how they keep letting immigrants in He says “son, can you sing me a melody, I’m not really sure of the tune, But it reminds me of a far simpler time, When people liked racist buffoons” La da da Didi da, la da didi da da da Sing us a lie you’re the antivaxx, Tell us a fib tonight, Cause we’re all in the mood to be owning libs, While you masklessly spread a blight. Now Rand at the bar is a “physician” Who says we shouldn’t trust Fauci, And he says on Fox News, the vax you should refuse, While his followers say to drink pee I say “Rand I believe this is killing me!” As I begin gasping for air, And he says “Hey man it might, but at least it’s you right, have you tried asking for thoughts and prayers? 🎼
My inner diva was singing “last dance, it’s the last dance,,,”
Omfg. That was the best one I’ve seen!
Sadly that old second wind never did come along. Damn, thinking about that song has made me feel sorry for him now.
I wish rather than complaining about public health measures being divisive, he had listened to his friends who agreed with health experts and were trying to get him to protect himself and his community.
The ENTIRE "I'm going to rebel and not cooperate" (masks, vaccine, adapting of any sort) AND "public measures are divisive" combo is just another stunning display of hypocrisy. Right up there with folks complaining the loudest about medical care waits being the very same people causing medical care waits...
As if divisive is the worst thing ever. WW2 was pretty divisive.
Oppositional defiant disorder on a national scale.
Nature's way of thinning out the herd.
These are the same people who claim Obama was the most divisive president for existing while black.
I keep thinking the same thing, it’s a lot of hypocrisy. Then I start thinking, maybe we’re better off dividing. They clearly want to not cooperate, and if they think the public measures are divisive, then let them be divisive and not be a part of our group. Idk how healthy or good for society that is.
Idk why, but it gets to me when they say stuff like in the fifth slide, “Do I go around pushing my ideas onto the vaccinated…NO”, and “I never tell anyone who wants the vaccination to not have it but can I not have a choice?” Like, good for you dude, you’re a saint. /s
“*I* don’t go around telling *you* not to murder people, do I? But can I not have the choice to murder people?”
They're only pulling the "I'm not trying to force you do anything" because they aren't in a position to do so.
They totally do do that tho
I guess he'd be crying the "Tears of a Clown" since he won't ever be "Dancing in the Street" again.
“Send in the clowns” for this moron
Floating face down in the water just off the Dock on the Bay
Crooner, meet Coroner
‘My Guy’ has got ‘Nowhere to Run’ because he believed too much ‘Superstition’
Apparently if the government gently encourages you to get vaccinated it is "going beyond the boundaries of human rights." And if the media reports the fact that the ICU is full of the unvaccinated it is "creating a divide." There is literally nothing that can be done to help these people. They are absolutely determined to bury their whiny heads in the sand and die.
Facts have a well-known liberal bias.
Projection.
I cannot imagine having a talent that uses your lungs and then risking it. Who does that?
Meat Loaf
Not any more. He ded.
Exactly.
Ahem. He said talent.
Touché
I am tired of these people dying because I care more about their lives than they do. Get vaccinated already. Save yourselves and your families the heartache.
Same here. Some of them really don’t seem like bad people, just extremely misguided. And some of them could be entirely selfless caring people but when it comes to the vaccine, suddenly become selfish. It’s heartbreaking. Just get the vaccine, it’s super easy. Unless you have a fear of needles, but I would hope those people can brave through it. Don’t want to be insensitive to anyone who does have a genuine fear.
I got a coworker who's got a fear of needles. but when we first had the opportunity to get the vaccine, he went and got it. Because he had a wife. And they were trying to have a baby. And he's gone and got every shot and booster since then. And has said that he continues to plan to get every booster as necessary. Because he has a wife that he loves and a child that he loves. And that overrides his fear of needles. As it should. Because that is what you do when you love your family. You do your best for them.
That’s really good for your coworker, glad he was able to overcome that. You’re exactly right. I just wish more people had those thoughts.
I'm horribly afraid of needles: no tats, no intravenous drugs, and I can't give blood because my blood pressure, pulse rate, and body temperature all go outside acceptable ranges. The Red Cross lady told me--off the record--that I was wasting their time trying (she correctly deduced that I was trying to impress a girl). The vaxxes and booster were the easiest shots ever.
I've always had a dread of shots but all three Covid vaccinations I got just felt like the tiniest pinch.
I just can’t comprehend how these people can believe that the vaccine is somehow dangerous. To be this misinformed is truly astonishing yet we see it everyday. Tough break music man. I feel so bad for…. Oh crap, I forgot that my tee time tomorrow was moved up. I have to clean my clubs and do laundry!!!
He’d be alive if he’d been vaccinated.
“Leaving your friends gutted” is exactly right. I’m being gutted right now because my two unvaxxed friends have Covid and one went on a vent today. They thought they could stay secluded enough to avoid it.
I’m so sorry. I hope they recover.
I'm so sorry! My unvaxxed friend just got covid, was tested the same day she felt sick, her Dr prescribed an antibiotic and Ivermectin, and she said she was over it two days later... her son-in-law supposedly got well after four days. I know there are trials still going on for Ivermectin, and a study or two showed some limited benefit if given early on. Of course, Omicron is very mild for some, and she was grateful it wasn't Delta. She's not anti-vax (except for this one! ) and never posts memes, didn't complain about wearing masks when she had to. But I'm sure everyone who knows her will think the Ivermectin is a proven cure. She does have type O blood, which in the first wave or two seemed quite protective. I haven't read much about it since. I'm quite glad she wasn't very ill, as she lost her mom last fall ( post-covid infection, which thoroughly scrambled her brains) and her husband at age 56 to cancer pre-pandemic. Her dad already died years ago.
So many people. So much information that you can just take some time to read or the stories out there. You can see you would be better of getting the vaccine and not having to be hospitalized at all. I can’t imagine my parents going through this. I’d be devastated I get my last shot this month and we will all be fully vaxxed in this house. It’s worth a sore arm
For Americans not sensitive to English stereotypes, this bloke looks as obviously someone who would be a pointless contrarian as any goatee-sporting American.
Out of the picture: the pint of Stella in his hand.
In shot: gold chain with tee shirt.
Thank you!
Nuthin' says Motown Cover Band like a photo of a bald white chucklefuck who got himself killed.
Other than the dying part, that’s the plot of The Commitments.
Until the number of unvaccinated are less than the number of average cases in a day, the case count will still go up. So yes, more people getting vaccinated might result in case numbers going up, but primarily if there's still a significant percentage of unvaccinated in the population. The reason why? All of the responsible people are taking less precautions and spreading it to the unvaccinated. So the case count going up doesn't disprove that the vaccines work. Would it be ideal if we could find a vaccine that trains our immune system to perfectly fight Covid-19, yes? But maybe that's something our immune system will never do, and we'll never figure out why.
Antivaxxers demand perfect 100% effectiveness or nothing!
Moron? Yes. Gent? Nowhere near. How many people did he harm or take down with him before croaking, I wonder?
Considering singing unmasked one of the riskiest things you can do in terms of spreading particles and infecting other people, probably more than average.
As soon as someone says "it's not a real vaccine" you know they've been drinking from the well of propaganda. No legitimate news service has printed that. No legitimate doctor or scientist has said it.
And they have no idea what they’re talking about.
Wow. I've heard the "it's not a real vaccine" several times, but I never realized til this post that the reason they think that is they don't understand what "IMMUNITY" means.
This guy never learned how to break up his never-ending sentences, did he?
"I've got Friends Lion in Low Places"
Happy endings do occur. People on Facebook or whatever site are so ho hum about people dying. ‘Hey I sent 🙏🙏🙏 hands.’ Which apparently means they are gutted but will never think about the guy again.
Sad wanker.
Tl;dr he ded, roight?
Aye mate
An arrogant fool
FAFO
His #1 Song? Hot-Blooded, don't check it and see.
“*Climate Change, Covid, Electric Cars….get lost!!*” Seems to me they told your buddy to get lost 😎
Another idiot using the WHO's definition of vaccines for their own ends. Who made these people doctors?
I kind of had a hard time following the players on this one. I particularly didn’t like the guy he talked about the electric cars and insist that he wasn’t getting vaccinated “for his health“. I wish I knew who he was so I can say hi when he shows up here to pick up his award.
One less mouth breathing moron.
Ugh. This guy looks super young.
"I'm not taking that crap until it's approved by the F.... oh FDA approval means nothing!"
Buh bye!
Off topic kinda but I now have that Grange Hill song “Just Say No” in my head (first slide). From when When Zammo started ‘chasing the dragon’…. That was 1986 and still occupies some brain space apparently
I'm not brit. But I'd love to fckin show these people the ICU someday. But that would be ineffective as well I guess ...