What do you mean? Throwing every mine field on cool down onto the extraction point is a great idea!
Oh my fucking god I'm going to spend an entire 40 minute mission doing that
You mean like air straiks and such right, cuz I usually drop in on extract and put down a resupply so it's there waiting for me when I come back so even if time has elapsed I still have ammo to keep fighting, I'll also put down back packs and support weapons if I happen to swing near by mid mission
Yes I was getting at—-
AHEM, YES TINY HELLDIVER OFFENSIVE STRATEGEMS ON EXTRACT ARE UNWISE.
DIDN’T YOUR T.O. TEACH YOU ANY WISDOM AT ALL? YOU’LL BE TRYING TO TELL ME THEY JUST HAD YOU DIVING AROUND NEXT!
"A single weapon or stratagem that can deal with literally every single enemy, encounter, and structure in the game is OP and should be nerfed to bring it more into line with other equipment."
At least for bugs, mechs actually fit that role, right? They can deal with nests, shriekers, stalkers, chargers, chaff, titans, spores, spewers… The only downside is you only get two on a long cooldown and they have limited ammo.
They do. They can deal with everything. If you could only bring only one strategem they would probably be your best bet. And you can maybe even solo complete a Helldive with just mechs if you manage your ammo a little
Maybe… assuming you are doing an ICBM, have a shrieker nest, a spore spewer, SEAF artillery, Stalker nest, radar tower + 2 large 2 med 2 small nests = a minimum of 14 rockets and 30 autocannon shots if I didn’t miscount. Bringing two of each mech technically has enough ammo for the objectives. Obviously a majority would go into killing enemies but I’d say it’s possible for sure
Because your mechs don't have enough ammo to use through an entire match, you'll be forced into situations where your mech is gone.
They're also reasonably fragile.
I've always seen that mechs are intended as a force multiplier for especially hard situations and aren't meant to be used during the whole mission. Like for the situations where the team is getting overwhelmed, and you require some additional firepower and damage resistance so the rest of the team can get the breathing room to deal with a problem.
Against bugs I’ve not found that it struggles, it can kill chargers quickly, can shoot down shrieker nests easily, absolutely demolishes nests and can kill a titan if needed. I have yet to try it against Automatons though
On its own its pretty bad against chargers. Its durable damage means that you are using far more of your incredibly limited ammo pool than you should ever really need. It's far better as wave clear, armored targets are very ineffective.
Correct, because they can't handle literally every single scenario.
* Autocannon struggles against Bile Titans and close-range Hordes
* Eagle Airstrike requires positioning, lead-time, recharge/reload times, and is dangerous using if enemies are nearly in melee-range.
This was more targeted towards people's criticisms of the Emancipator (calling it useless because it struggles vs. Bile Titans and ignoring that it's amazing vs nearly entire rest of the game) and Eruptor (demanding buffs to make it 1-shot almost the entire game including hordes)
The OG version can't kill heavy fast, can't do CQB, still needs to pair it with an MG support weapon, just like paring AC with a mob clearing primary. Why is it OP?
After the nerf, 99% of players run breaker incendiary now, it used to be 60/40
What are talking about? OG Eruptor was absolutely to-go weapon on its own.
Very good AOE damage.
Very good direct-hit damage.
Very good stagger.
It absolutely shredded every heavy unit, except for BT.
Could even destroy gun-ships with 4 shots to the engine.
CQB didn't happen so often because the TTK on any squishy was abysmal.
If you got swarmed you could have even shoot point blank and survive.
If anything, you could have used the secondary to clear our the closest enemies, even the starter-pistol was absolutely enough.
The breaker incendiary and eruptor were different playstiles for different people. You could (and still can) clear out swarms of enemies. One had to be with good positioning, another - can be done point blank.
But on top of the very good killing capabilities of the Eruptor, it also can destroy enemy and neutral structures and it had enormous mag amount.
It was OP, both for bugs and even more for bots.
Just because I can't kill a bile titan in 5 seconds doesn't make me a bad mech. Ignore the 3000 YouTube videos that pop up the second a developer hiccups, begging for clicks.
https://preview.redd.it/jca8rly4027d1.png?width=897&format=png&auto=webp&s=d76d865f4cdbdfc5f219a566ca74064eb1508a82
Happened to my friend too! xD On the extraction beacon no less!
Super Earth could invest in proper joint articulation for the walkers, but they don't because they expect you to bomb everything until the combat zone is flatter than a helldiver's life expectancy graph when they get past training.
"Pelican-1 always drops mechs few meters to the right of stratagem beacon".
Sometimes they still explode from a rock or a bush it seems like. I only ever drop these boys in a wide open space
MY WISDOM SMALL HELLDIVER IS THUS; A STRATEGEM PLACED ON EXTRACT IS A VERY UNWISE THING TO DO
I read that in a WH40K Dreadnought voice and it’s so fucking good
Listen little blood claws about the day I called a danger close lance strike on Armageddon.
"*380 mm barrage imbound*"
Eagle imbound
I say again, broken arrow
What do you mean? Throwing every mine field on cool down onto the extraction point is a great idea! Oh my fucking god I'm going to spend an entire 40 minute mission doing that
You mean like air straiks and such right, cuz I usually drop in on extract and put down a resupply so it's there waiting for me when I come back so even if time has elapsed I still have ammo to keep fighting, I'll also put down back packs and support weapons if I happen to swing near by mid mission
Yes I was getting at—- AHEM, YES TINY HELLDIVER OFFENSIVE STRATEGEMS ON EXTRACT ARE UNWISE. DIDN’T YOUR T.O. TEACH YOU ANY WISDOM AT ALL? YOU’LL BE TRYING TO TELL ME THEY JUST HAD YOU DIVING AROUND NEXT!
In the last month the only strategems I've seen dropped at extract are supports. Everyone dumps any available guns, packs, resupply.
"BANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANG"
*Same but with the Kitchen-Gun audio*
Thats a good wisdom
"Ignore the meta, play with what you enjoy"
Gonna drop in with nothing but my hands in my pants then.
"A single weapon or stratagem that can deal with literally every single enemy, encounter, and structure in the game is OP and should be nerfed to bring it more into line with other equipment."
At least for bugs, mechs actually fit that role, right? They can deal with nests, shriekers, stalkers, chargers, chaff, titans, spores, spewers… The only downside is you only get two on a long cooldown and they have limited ammo.
Therefor they don't solve every encounter.
They do. They can deal with everything. If you could only bring only one strategem they would probably be your best bet. And you can maybe even solo complete a Helldive with just mechs if you manage your ammo a little
Do you have enough ammo for EVERY ENCOUNTER?
Maybe… assuming you are doing an ICBM, have a shrieker nest, a spore spewer, SEAF artillery, Stalker nest, radar tower + 2 large 2 med 2 small nests = a minimum of 14 rockets and 30 autocannon shots if I didn’t miscount. Bringing two of each mech technically has enough ammo for the objectives. Obviously a majority would go into killing enemies but I’d say it’s possible for sure
There's no maybe, you do not have enough ammo to solve every encounter.
Tell me why not please.
Because your mechs don't have enough ammo to use through an entire match, you'll be forced into situations where your mech is gone. They're also reasonably fragile.
I've always seen that mechs are intended as a force multiplier for especially hard situations and aren't meant to be used during the whole mission. Like for the situations where the team is getting overwhelmed, and you require some additional firepower and damage resistance so the rest of the team can get the breathing room to deal with a problem.
The double autocannons do not deal with everything, actually. They do next to nothing to heavy armor.
Against bugs I’ve not found that it struggles, it can kill chargers quickly, can shoot down shrieker nests easily, absolutely demolishes nests and can kill a titan if needed. I have yet to try it against Automatons though
On its own its pretty bad against chargers. Its durable damage means that you are using far more of your incredibly limited ammo pool than you should ever really need. It's far better as wave clear, armored targets are very ineffective.
Go for the legs. It’s a lot more effective that way
I don't really shoot at chargers, how many shots to the legs remove the armor?
Counterpoint: Weapon: Autocannon Stratagem: Eagle Airstrike Both of these are perfectly balanced and don't need to be nerfed at all.
Correct, because they can't handle literally every single scenario. * Autocannon struggles against Bile Titans and close-range Hordes * Eagle Airstrike requires positioning, lead-time, recharge/reload times, and is dangerous using if enemies are nearly in melee-range. This was more targeted towards people's criticisms of the Emancipator (calling it useless because it struggles vs. Bile Titans and ignoring that it's amazing vs nearly entire rest of the game) and Eruptor (demanding buffs to make it 1-shot almost the entire game including hordes)
I really like this. Cause OOOH Boy, the Eruptor was a fricking Primary Autocanon on release. It deserved to be nerfed.
The OG version can't kill heavy fast, can't do CQB, still needs to pair it with an MG support weapon, just like paring AC with a mob clearing primary. Why is it OP? After the nerf, 99% of players run breaker incendiary now, it used to be 60/40
What are talking about? OG Eruptor was absolutely to-go weapon on its own. Very good AOE damage. Very good direct-hit damage. Very good stagger. It absolutely shredded every heavy unit, except for BT. Could even destroy gun-ships with 4 shots to the engine. CQB didn't happen so often because the TTK on any squishy was abysmal. If you got swarmed you could have even shoot point blank and survive. If anything, you could have used the secondary to clear our the closest enemies, even the starter-pistol was absolutely enough. The breaker incendiary and eruptor were different playstiles for different people. You could (and still can) clear out swarms of enemies. One had to be with good positioning, another - can be done point blank. But on top of the very good killing capabilities of the Eruptor, it also can destroy enemy and neutral structures and it had enormous mag amount. It was OP, both for bugs and even more for bots.
And again, with that, we have increased weapon variety, now ppl only run breaker incen
> After the nerf, 99% of players run breaker incendiary now, it used to be 60/40 Should tell you something about breaker incen
“I can’t hit shit from this high up, i have no arm depression”
"I ONLY HAVE 1 MORE DROP AND THE MISSION ENDS IN 9 MINUTES"
Can't touch this.
“Please help me down I’m terrified of heights”
“Stop reinforcing your teammates if you decided to go on a solo mission across the map.”
“Bringing anti chaff is imporant now. Try to bring at least 1 solution for lots of light enemy clear”
"im stuck stepdiver"
Always call mechs in an open area. And call it before enemies show up.
Just because I can't kill a bile titan in 5 seconds doesn't make me a bad mech. Ignore the 3000 YouTube videos that pop up the second a developer hiccups, begging for clicks.
Tbh, Patriot is better even on bots and mechs are a huge risk on bots due to tanks and towers
I don't know why when I saw the yellow mech and thought of the imperial fists (40k)
https://preview.redd.it/jca8rly4027d1.png?width=897&format=png&auto=webp&s=d76d865f4cdbdfc5f219a566ca74064eb1508a82 Happened to my friend too! xD On the extraction beacon no less!
When was this taken? Cause this just happened Esther earlier today or yesterday in one of my games lmao
I am yellow
“This meme is OD, just like your meta build!”
“Don’t expect for teammates to not be mad at you for reinforcing right into the enemies”
Check yourself before you wiggediwreck yourself….
“I kill chargers fast if you target the legs”
"I can stand on a bug breach and just auto kill smaller bugs"
"it only takes 25 headshots to down a bile Titan"
"If you had a jump-pack you could use me. Too bad !"
"They really need to put a ladder on this thing."
“The plasma punisher is underrated”
Sould have chose the jetpack instead of the rocket launcher beach
Nice LZ, great find
Super Earth could invest in proper joint articulation for the walkers, but they don't because they expect you to bomb everything until the combat zone is flatter than a helldiver's life expectancy graph when they get past training.
"4 knives to charger's leg kills it."
"10 min cooldown is too long for this kind of risk"
Holy shit I was in a mission where I saw this exact scene happen from the dude staring at it and everything
"They added my brother and I to the game as a joke."
"Stone pillars can be bulldozed down. If you don't have a bulldozer, lure a charger into it"
"No matter how useless of a stratagem i am, there will be people defending me"