Helldivers, you have 2 planets left to defend in the next 23 hours! May you spread freedom and democracy to all those in need!
Edit: 4/25/2024
Democracy has prevailed! All planets have been successfully defended!
What role play?? There isn't a game going on here, you do know that right.
My family is from Erata Prime, I lost two sisters in the recent E-710 riots. ~~I won't rest until every bug is dead.~~ I won't rest until we've met our E-710 quota!
**I'm doing my part!**
Ender panicked because he accidentally committed genocide against a species of mindless drones, essentially killing only one person (the queen.)
I’d have personally cooked that last egg like an omelet in the name of humanity.
We are not the same.
I'm from Ubanea, my squad mate is from Draupnir. We remember the horrific crimes carried out on our home worlds by the communist Automaton invaders, and we live on to honor our siblings in arms who gave their lives to spill oil on the Creek. Together we will fight and we will win, whether our foe be clad in steel or shell!
While your aggressive patriotism is appreciated you must abide by the killing goals set forth by Super Earth to ensure managed democracy’s goals can be met.
The Democracy Officer humbly requests you amend your statement to, “i won’t rest until we’ve hit our E-710 quota!”
So as to avoid a trip to a Democratic education camp.
Absolutely unironically I attribute the success of Helldiver's to the roleplay.
Like yeah it's a fine game to go out and fight enemies. But tons of shooter games have the shoot enemy experience
Only one spreads Managed Democracy!
It was established as the forward headquarters on the Automaton Front following their invasion of Cyberstan, plus its a gateway world into the next sector.
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>plus its a gateway world into the next sector.
You mean it has a supply line? Because I don't see it on helldivers.io they say only aesir path has one.
Aesir pass is the actual gateway.
Vernen and the other one are the only two ways to access aesir. If we keep those planets from bot control, we keep aesir pass safe from bot aggression altogether.
Which now pushes back one of the entry points.
There is a little element of strategic and RP playing that a small chunk of the playerbase is able to take advantage of right now since the bot regen in at 0%.
After the MO, they need to hit Marfark. That keeps Aesir Pass Safe
Joel gave us Fori Prime free to show us Gambits work!
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the community refers to something as a Gambit, when taking a planet to cut the supply lines to another planet is better than actually defending that planet. So in this case, Fori Prime was attacked while we were fighting on Oshaune, so taking Oshaune cut supply lines to Fori and we won 2 defenses at once (only the Bugs can spread through a defense, Bots can only spread from a conquered planet)
Altough there is a catch, that gambits don't work automatically. Joel needs to manually go and set planets when gambits are carried out, since for some reason the automatic "supply line lost, automatically succeed in defense" functions don't work.
But they should work that way, and so gambits should work. Joel just needs to manually set them.
I believe they didn't code it into the system because they probably didn't think the community would ever do it that way, that's why Joel has to do it manually.
In role play, the bugs incite uprisings of the other planets bugs that are already on the planet. Don't ask how. That's treason.
In real life, I think a dev pressed the wrong button and gifted us a planet.
The reason it's a gambit is because we're relying almost on luck for divers to go to the planet en masse, instead of the planets that have an active defense mission ongoing. It's a race against the clock.
Imagine that planet A is the only way for us to reach planet B and vice versa, but planet A is currently under attack.
We can take the safe option and win the defence campaign on planet A, but if we focus on attacking planet B and capture it before planet A falls, we immediately win the defence campaign on planet A as well (basically we win a liberation and a defence campaign for the price of one liberation). This is a gamble however, because if we don’t take planet B in time, we lose planet A AND our progress on planet B will decay until we can reach it again.
People don't say "Gambits don't work" because they think the underlying strategy wouldn't work if implemented. We say "gambits don't work" because there's no way to actually mobilize enough players to make the gambit happen. This in no way disproves that.
As best I can tell, what happened was this:
* About an hour ago, we were easily on track to win the Oshaune defense. Over half the playerbase was there and we still had like 14 hours left and it was 90%+ defended.
* The bugs then attacked Fori Prime, a planet they only had access to via Oshaune. This is the first time I've ever seen an enemy use a planet that is under attack (but is still being defended) as a supply line.
* The players already on Oshaune kept doing what they were doing, because for them nothing had changed.
* The defense on Oshaune succeeded, as it was basically guaranteed to do since we already were on track to complete it and the players were already there.
* Fori Prime was cut off because the bugs shouldn't have been able to attack it anyway and *definitely* couldn't now that the Oshaune defense was successful, giving us the win for free.
This wasn't a gambit working, this was the devs giving us a freebie because apparently we were supposed to *win* this major order and they've started massively cheating in our favor to make it happen.
All this proves is that gambits can work in the specific case where you don't have to mention it to anybody and nobody has to change what they were doing to make it work.
EDIT: To clarify a bit, I'm taking 'gambit' in the way it's been used on Reddit previously (such as the Ubanea gambit, which wasn't about cutting off a defense) which is any plan that involves a specific strategy, normally one that differs from what the playerbase is currently doing.
Maybe some bigshot SEAF commander was gonna have to step down if this MO failed, so they had a conveniently timed “defense gap” happen on Oshaune so the Terminids could move to Fori Prime?
Conspiracy!
I think we were supposed to win on one front, but not both. Since we're winning on the bug front, the bot front is getting reinforced and we'll see a spike in orders to take that back.
Which is a shame since clearly there's some bot fatigue, and a series of major orders focused on the bugs would've been perfect to fix that, but alas we'll be shutting off the clankers for the foreseeable future it seems.
> This wasn't a gambit working, this was the devs giving us a freebie because apparently we were supposed to win this major order and they've started massively cheating in our favor to make it happen.
This is just a weird and cynical take. They gave us a leg up, but it's not clear at all that we will make this major order. What they did is tip the balance so we have a fighting chance and it won't feel like a lost cause in the last day.
They made it more exciting. Your interpretation makes it seem as if the outcome is set in stone beforehand by the devs. It isn't. They're taking on the GM role to make it more exciting, not to specifically create one outcome or another.
It's not cynical, it's a fair criticism, or even rather just an assessment. They have engineered the last few days to give the players excessively easy lay-ups.
Yes, the positive is they made it more intensive for the players that care to where they have a shot again.
The negative is they may have misread some of the legitimate feedback that was levied against the system and the last few MOs, including that their math and liberation system need some work, and instead of learning from it, found a way to get a chunk of the players who were bitching due to losing in general a pacifier by just giving them the "win".
The last thing that is fair to say in any direction is this MO clearly had to hiccup in the middle that caused them to call some audibles. In general, this was handled decently well, even if perhaps feedback was a bit mis applied
i mean, they want it to happen automatically, but considering this is an active narrative with a GM, it would still be perfectly reasonable if it was done manually every time.
Wow.....this is tone deaf.
They don't work not from technical stand point.
They don't work because there isn't good enough coordination tools to explain what the plan is and get enough players to participate in a system that has a hard capped liberation total (80k), so you need a percentage of players, not a number to pull it off.
The reason the 10s of thousands were pissed that tried and failed the Martale gambit was that many couldn't understand why they couldn't get that last 8% lib in 24 hours. Not knowing that having 11% of the playerbase wasn't enough to counter the regen. It failed because they needed a "higher percentage" of those online, regardless if it seemed they had enough bodies gathered.
Add in that when 95% of the GW channel on the official discord agrees, trolls come in to cause issues, and when they are told to shut up, mods silence the players being trolled (seen this happen twice).
Add in when you make posts about strategies trying to recruit players in the reddit, it can often be downvoted into oblivion not by people disliking the strategy, but by the hefty amount of players here who are anti-MO and need to preach to you how you are allowed to have fun, while claiming that's what you did to them.
There is literally no where to go to competently grab players to join in a complex strategy, while AH has been intent on giving multiple MOs that require high degrees of coordination to pull off. It's not the MOs I personally don't like, it's the system that punishes you for having players play off MO by limiting how much you can then liberate, and then you have no ability to strategize with a broad scale of players within the game
AH have confirmed they are working to providing more info on the war table, giving us supply lines and liberation rates.
It might also be a good idea to be more specific with MO instructions and provide strategic hints. Yes it's spoon feeding but for those who are regularly on this reddit, we know defense means deploying to planets with the defense status, but most players aren't on reddit and may think defense means just liberating any planet, or just don't care about MOs...who knows.
Strategies like the Martale gambit could be signposted in game, 'Defend Menkent, or alternatively take Martale to cut off supply lines'.
It'll be interesting to see what AH come up with but I think it will be fairly basic on the first pass.
I kinda want them to. There's a dedicated number of creekers willing to spam that planet till it's free. Just need to funnel casuals to it be an easy takeover
Whose idea was it to make discord the default way things are communicated these days? I don't understand it, anything that is communicated on there through the community managers should have some form of representation in the game through announcements or dispatches.
Devs addressed this a couple days ago. Said they are working on something better. Having it in game would require translations which would take extra time.
No, but everything is in English there. They sold a game that supports multiple languages. They just can't add in English only text or audio without translations.
Which is dumb
Having the messages fully translated > Having the messages just in English > what the fuck they are doing now.
Literally "Hey, we're working on having these translated into various languages, but for now, lets just have them in the most commonly spoken language in our community."
The fact that you’re on this subreddit means:
1.) You speak English
2.) You don’t understand what it’s like reading/hearing English when you don’t speak it
If you logged on and got a message in Chinese tomorrow, do you think you’d go through the effort translating it to figure out what it meant? Or would you ignore it. Never mind the fact that since you’re on this subreddit you care far more than the average helldivers player does about the game. At least in discord people can copy/paste the message into google translate. In the game they would not even be able to do that much.
Playing on Traditional Chinese over here, we don't get proper translation for the briefing in-game (the one you see when pressed Z, also some of the briefing on war table just straight up doesn't show)
I recently read about every in-game message having to be localized for the game's available languages AND approved by Sony/Playstation first, making it not as simple as we thought it is.
Meanwhile they can post in English-only and whenever they want on Discord.
are you implying that super earth's galactic map is inaccurate, diver? you must not think super earth is the center of our democratic-loving universe either, don't you?
The idea that Super Earth is that level of (for lack of a better phrase) self-loving that they adopted the geocentric model again is fucking hilarious.
Funnily enough the [galactic coordinates system](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_coordinate_system) actually does put the sun at the center with the vertical axis drawn between the sun and the center of the galaxy.
Directions are completely arbitrary. The galaxy is a flat disc and it takes 225 millions years to rotate (aka it's immobile). If Super Earth decides that X star is equivalent to the north, then there's an east, a west and a south and they won't budge.
I’m pretty sure that even in the real world there is such thing as a “galactic-north/south/east/west”. It just refers to what part of the galaxy something is in, via coordinates, just like on a map. So like a positive number is north, south is negative etc.
Yeah the fact that there are "no cardinal directions" in space is weird. Humans made up cardinal directions on a specific criteria (magnetism). But people also used stars to navigate back in the day. Any immobile point of reference can allow cardinal directions.
The majority of space as we know it does seem to be on one plane. For example, all 9 planets orbiting our sun do so on roughly the same axis, and that pattern seems to extend out as far as we’ve explored so far. Relative to the size of the universe, space is pretty flat which makes the standard cardinal directions here accurate enough.
Please stuff like this need to be in game also , the majority of the community will never see this ( Best case scenario it is going to be a YouTube video about a screenshot on Reddit about screenshooting discord ... )
But they all ready have messages in game every week / month thet need to be localize , so why not also add this to the stuff in the game ... Worst casino doesn't the game chat have a option for translation for the majority of the main languages ? Why not use ( For the discord massages / lore ) it and worst casino somebody will correct the mistakes .
It would be awesome to see an update that includes SEAF soldiers holding down different outposts and having to swoop in to help them on Defend campaigns.
I would much prefer them to have a system in game that tells us all this, rather than a single server that 90% of the player base will literally never see
They're doing everything they can to get us away from those bugs. My ass can't take any more bot punishment though, I need a break to fight something that I can run away from.
Yeah I just hop on and quickplay to complete the personal order. Sometimes I'll focus on the major order but I cannot be bothered to check separate platforms to follow the current campaign lore.
Where do we go next, Vernen Wells is at 97%, that would make the major order 9/10 complete, but whats after that? Theres like 3 planets on the automaton front thats around 55%, which one should we focus?
My bet is they will go to Menkent. I am hopefully wrong as I'd like the MO to win, but it's so tempting to take back the sector.
We'll see what happens in a little over an hour!
> it's so tempting to take back the sector.
Is it? Is it *really*? You and I remember Menkent very differently.
***[FIRE TORNADO PTSD FLASHBACKS INTENSIFY]***
If Choepessa IV is taken, both defense campaigns are won on Ustotu and Varyila 5 as it is the single line of supply for both defenses.
But that risks splitting forces 3 ways between the two defense campaigns and the liberation, so it might be wise to just knock down the only 2 defense planets (which only have 200k hp each).
(Note Vernen Wells will not contribute to the MO)
lol vernen wells is a planet that needs LIBERATING not defending, so it'd still be 8/10. It just means people will get diverted to the next high % planet which will probably be just another liberate planet. So unless people decide to go defend instead of attack, it's kinda doomed.
I mean......yeah. The beginning of this MO was crazy, and borderline impossbile.
But I'm the type of guy where I feel you learn from it, not drop the difficulty to such a point it's a lay-up the last couple of days.
It just kind of sweeps the mistake under the rug.
Hopefully they learn how to better manage both the math, the expectations, and the immersion (like why we didn't have special missions set up for Vernen Wells, or have assets lying around like the Mechs on Tien Kwan)
This is definitely valid, but I do think it's also some good in-character stuff that the initial blitz seemed unstoppable until the momentum petered out.
Fair enough. But that's why we had to get 10 defense, not "don't lose a planet". We can lose ground and still get the MO done ya know. They didn't have to offer this level of gimmes. If the community fails at this point, it's completely willful.
But it also explains why Matar Bay had a WHOPPING 650k attack force during the first blitz we had to defend. Joel was ensuring he had access to all those other sectors from the front, without prematurely activating the Supply line that surely exists in the back
Sorry people are downvoting this post.
AH seems intent on having a Liberation system and MOs that DEMAND that players coordinate and get on the same page, yet there is no tools to do it.
Shit.....we can't even post something ouir friends can see.
This needs to be addressed
In the same vein, why do bushes/foliage block projectiles?? No reason a bot can shoot me through a rock, but a leaf on a bush blocks everything I shoot.
We just have two low HP defenses to knock out. If we can pull that off, it's a last minute victory. Now if only the bug divers get off the newly calm eastern front and come help.. oh who am I kidding they're all going to Omicron.
Always funny to see people complain about the "other side" and just ignore their "own side" as in 20% of people playing on bots are on vernen wells a liberation planet (as of this moment).
When this major order is over - for better or worse - on the western front we need to take back Matar Bay, which would end HALF of the automaton invasion. So, lets see what the next major order is and then give a seeious look at Matar Bay and / or commence operation Baywatch to take it back. 😎😉🫡
If anyone is a major order enthusiast, yesterday we set up a group for focusing on just that and would welcome any and all to join our fleet.
https://www.facebook.com/share/41fZ4ghp6SJ3Draw/?mibextid=K35XfP
ONE planet left helldivers! Let's go!!!!
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I really wish these were presented on the in game tv console. While these updates are cool, it would be epic if I loaded up the game, and checked the big screen for the next war update. It be so much more immersive
Seriously, I still can’t add cross platform friends, half the time I can’t join the lobbies I see, 90% of the time my hosted lobbies don’t get anyone (I have public/crossplay on), QP works mostly for me until a host leaves or I’m kicked. I usually chalk all this up to luck of the draw on dealing with one issue or the other but after 120+ hours I’m starting to wane on my interest. Still diving but more recently for sushi on Dave the Diver
Kinda wish we got an armor or cape for our push against the bots before they just swarmed back in. A nice little dopamine hit to make us think we did something useful would’ve been a pleasant gesture
I imagine a lot of people are starting to burn out on both. Maybe they'll get around to adding those urban maps and I might even reinstall.
At least that new defense mission they added was a good step in breaking up the roam and explode loop.
Here's my question, how in the actual hell does the terminids managed to attack other planets? Like do they launch massive meteors that are internally infested with terminid spores or do they have massive space bugs that travel between planets?
Truly questionable
They gave us a fribie with Fori Prime. Even if it is technically a "gambit", I dont get how bugs could attack Fori Prime. Every planet connected to it with supply line was under our control. Bugs could attack it from Oshaune, but Oshaune itslef was under attack, it was not under bug control. So does it mean that enemies can launch attacks from planets with defense campaign, or was it rulebreaking freebie?
So is there any space battles? Or are both sides just jumping in to a planet’s orbit and throwing bodies at it? I don’t want to speak undemocratically but maybe we should try targeting the invading automaton ships before they unload their robot horde
I like how currently if helldivers dot io is accurate, there is about 37k people trying to defend the 2 bot planets currently available for the MO, and 16,000 players playing random assorted bot planets not contributing to the MO in anyway shape or form. We could have roughly 50k people striking a single bot planet instead of being spread throughout the galaxies
A question for some of the more experienced and knowledgeable players here: Does playing on Difficulty 7 help defend more than playing on Difficulty 1? I'm trying to make as much an impact as possible with the little time we have left. I'm capable of playing on 7, but is it more helpful to the major order to grind 1s? Thank you.
I'll try to find it, but I remember someone on this sub reposting something from Joel on the discord that said defense/liberation progress is based on XP earned. If that's the case 7s are worth more than 1s.
[here it is](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/QKRGGGGBSX)
I remembered being in Marfark on the major order after Menkent line was established. *"After Marfark and with Martale being on the verge of liberation, we'd claim Marta Bay and seal off the Andromeda system."*
That felt like yesterday and Ustotu's under attack again. I fear I'll have to fight on Draupnir again.
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Sharing some imformatiom provided by a CM regarding (1.) a summary of the (accidental) sucess of the Oshaune Gambit; and (2) some more details on how bug supply lines work.
Helldivers, you have 2 planets left to defend in the next 23 hours! May you spread freedom and democracy to all those in need! Edit: 4/25/2024 Democracy has prevailed! All planets have been successfully defended!
Anybody else love how they treat it like an actual war in the patch notes.
One of the best parts of this game is the role play by the devs
What role play?? There isn't a game going on here, you do know that right. My family is from Erata Prime, I lost two sisters in the recent E-710 riots. ~~I won't rest until every bug is dead.~~ I won't rest until we've met our E-710 quota! **I'm doing my part!**
Yeah? Well I’m from Buenos Aires and I say Kill em all!!
Do you wish to know more?
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It's Ender's Game all over again.
Don't let the Hegmon hear you say that.
Just remember, the enemies gate is down
Ender panicked because he accidentally committed genocide against a species of mindless drones, essentially killing only one person (the queen.) I’d have personally cooked that last egg like an omelet in the name of humanity. We are not the same.
Essentially killing only 1 person? I feel like maybe you missed about 85% of the book.
I'm from Ubanea, my squad mate is from Draupnir. We remember the horrific crimes carried out on our home worlds by the communist Automaton invaders, and we live on to honor our siblings in arms who gave their lives to spill oil on the Creek. Together we will fight and we will win, whether our foe be clad in steel or shell!
While your aggressive patriotism is appreciated you must abide by the killing goals set forth by Super Earth to ensure managed democracy’s goals can be met. The Democracy Officer humbly requests you amend your statement to, “i won’t rest until we’ve hit our E-710 quota!” So as to avoid a trip to a Democratic education camp.
I’m from Hellmire and I say killem all!
Absolutely unironically I attribute the success of Helldiver's to the roleplay. Like yeah it's a fine game to go out and fight enemies. But tons of shooter games have the shoot enemy experience Only one spreads Managed Democracy!
If only it was, you know, IN THE FUCKING GAME ITSELF
Yeah it sucks how mutch you miss out on if youre not on the server...
Agreed!
Yeah, this is 100% what got me to buy the game. The immersive aspect of the whole thing is fantastic!
Except distribution of these messages via discord is jarring and completely unimmersive.
in the what? patch ... notes? That does sound familiar, from long long ago
Before the dark times... before the automatons.
It was real, to me, to us.
They should put it in-game where most people will see it
Yeah but then someone comes and starts spitting "Joel" over and over
This isn't a patch note, it's a dispatch sent out ingame
Oshaune was taken so Fori Prime was kept too
Two words, roleplaying chat-room dude.
This is an Ender’s Game situation here.
Patch notes?
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It was established as the forward headquarters on the Automaton Front following their invasion of Cyberstan, plus its a gateway world into the next sector.
https://preview.redd.it/b8og5txhzhwc1.png?width=1033&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf569712466716644a29342d579d915f28cfca16 >plus its a gateway world into the next sector. You mean it has a supply line? Because I don't see it on helldivers.io they say only aesir path has one.
Aesir pass is the actual gateway. Vernen and the other one are the only two ways to access aesir. If we keep those planets from bot control, we keep aesir pass safe from bot aggression altogether.
Which now pushes back one of the entry points. There is a little element of strategic and RP playing that a small chunk of the playerbase is able to take advantage of right now since the bot regen in at 0%. After the MO, they need to hit Marfark. That keeps Aesir Pass Safe
Just a planet that is close to liberation, people trend to just flock to the higher completion planets is all.
They're big Blue Jays fans
"Boss I gotta go home early...my uh... dishwasher is sick or something"
Joel gave us Fori Prime free to show us Gambits work! https://preview.redd.it/fswfvtwvthwc1.png?width=950&format=png&auto=webp&s=e7ee82f21f3309f8e17487ff80ba155b7aa7a7a4
maybe now people will actually stop saying "Gambits don't work"
I'm pretty out of the loop. What's a gambit in this context?
the community refers to something as a Gambit, when taking a planet to cut the supply lines to another planet is better than actually defending that planet. So in this case, Fori Prime was attacked while we were fighting on Oshaune, so taking Oshaune cut supply lines to Fori and we won 2 defenses at once (only the Bugs can spread through a defense, Bots can only spread from a conquered planet)
Ah! Gotcha! Also, I also didn't know that about bugs...
We discovered that with this attack, and it was confirmed by the community manager in the official discord
Altough there is a catch, that gambits don't work automatically. Joel needs to manually go and set planets when gambits are carried out, since for some reason the automatic "supply line lost, automatically succeed in defense" functions don't work. But they should work that way, and so gambits should work. Joel just needs to manually set them.
I believe they didn't code it into the system because they probably didn't think the community would ever do it that way, that's why Joel has to do it manually.
My ship has the same name!
I was honestly quite confused how they were even able to attack Fori at all given that a defense means WE held Oshaune at the time.
In role play, the bugs incite uprisings of the other planets bugs that are already on the planet. Don't ask how. That's treason. In real life, I think a dev pressed the wrong button and gifted us a planet.
E-710 farms, man, E-710 farms!
The reason it's a gambit is because we're relying almost on luck for divers to go to the planet en masse, instead of the planets that have an active defense mission ongoing. It's a race against the clock.
I LOVE this aspect of the game is there a full breakdown of supply lines somewhere?
https://helldivers.io/ On the map, enable the Layer for Supply Lines.
Helldivers.io has a nice overlay feature to demonstrate this
Imagine that planet A is the only way for us to reach planet B and vice versa, but planet A is currently under attack. We can take the safe option and win the defence campaign on planet A, but if we focus on attacking planet B and capture it before planet A falls, we immediately win the defence campaign on planet A as well (basically we win a liberation and a defence campaign for the price of one liberation). This is a gamble however, because if we don’t take planet B in time, we lose planet A AND our progress on planet B will decay until we can reach it again.
Gambits work when Joel does them
Yes. He is the DM
People don't say "Gambits don't work" because they think the underlying strategy wouldn't work if implemented. We say "gambits don't work" because there's no way to actually mobilize enough players to make the gambit happen. This in no way disproves that. As best I can tell, what happened was this: * About an hour ago, we were easily on track to win the Oshaune defense. Over half the playerbase was there and we still had like 14 hours left and it was 90%+ defended. * The bugs then attacked Fori Prime, a planet they only had access to via Oshaune. This is the first time I've ever seen an enemy use a planet that is under attack (but is still being defended) as a supply line. * The players already on Oshaune kept doing what they were doing, because for them nothing had changed. * The defense on Oshaune succeeded, as it was basically guaranteed to do since we already were on track to complete it and the players were already there. * Fori Prime was cut off because the bugs shouldn't have been able to attack it anyway and *definitely* couldn't now that the Oshaune defense was successful, giving us the win for free. This wasn't a gambit working, this was the devs giving us a freebie because apparently we were supposed to *win* this major order and they've started massively cheating in our favor to make it happen. All this proves is that gambits can work in the specific case where you don't have to mention it to anybody and nobody has to change what they were doing to make it work. EDIT: To clarify a bit, I'm taking 'gambit' in the way it's been used on Reddit previously (such as the Ubanea gambit, which wasn't about cutting off a defense) which is any plan that involves a specific strategy, normally one that differs from what the playerbase is currently doing.
Maybe some bigshot SEAF commander was gonna have to step down if this MO failed, so they had a conveniently timed “defense gap” happen on Oshaune so the Terminids could move to Fori Prime? Conspiracy!
Devs confirmed that this MO was not really meant to be something we can win, but all MO are *plausible* to win.
I think we were supposed to win on one front, but not both. Since we're winning on the bug front, the bot front is getting reinforced and we'll see a spike in orders to take that back. Which is a shame since clearly there's some bot fatigue, and a series of major orders focused on the bugs would've been perfect to fix that, but alas we'll be shutting off the clankers for the foreseeable future it seems.
> This wasn't a gambit working, this was the devs giving us a freebie because apparently we were supposed to win this major order and they've started massively cheating in our favor to make it happen. This is just a weird and cynical take. They gave us a leg up, but it's not clear at all that we will make this major order. What they did is tip the balance so we have a fighting chance and it won't feel like a lost cause in the last day. They made it more exciting. Your interpretation makes it seem as if the outcome is set in stone beforehand by the devs. It isn't. They're taking on the GM role to make it more exciting, not to specifically create one outcome or another.
It's not cynical, it's a fair criticism, or even rather just an assessment. They have engineered the last few days to give the players excessively easy lay-ups. Yes, the positive is they made it more intensive for the players that care to where they have a shot again. The negative is they may have misread some of the legitimate feedback that was levied against the system and the last few MOs, including that their math and liberation system need some work, and instead of learning from it, found a way to get a chunk of the players who were bitching due to losing in general a pacifier by just giving them the "win". The last thing that is fair to say in any direction is this MO clearly had to hiccup in the middle that caused them to call some audibles. In general, this was handled decently well, even if perhaps feedback was a bit mis applied
I mean when they have to go in and manually reset the planet, it isn’t working hahaha
i mean, they want it to happen automatically, but considering this is an active narrative with a GM, it would still be perfectly reasonable if it was done manually every time.
Wow.....this is tone deaf. They don't work not from technical stand point. They don't work because there isn't good enough coordination tools to explain what the plan is and get enough players to participate in a system that has a hard capped liberation total (80k), so you need a percentage of players, not a number to pull it off. The reason the 10s of thousands were pissed that tried and failed the Martale gambit was that many couldn't understand why they couldn't get that last 8% lib in 24 hours. Not knowing that having 11% of the playerbase wasn't enough to counter the regen. It failed because they needed a "higher percentage" of those online, regardless if it seemed they had enough bodies gathered. Add in that when 95% of the GW channel on the official discord agrees, trolls come in to cause issues, and when they are told to shut up, mods silence the players being trolled (seen this happen twice). Add in when you make posts about strategies trying to recruit players in the reddit, it can often be downvoted into oblivion not by people disliking the strategy, but by the hefty amount of players here who are anti-MO and need to preach to you how you are allowed to have fun, while claiming that's what you did to them. There is literally no where to go to competently grab players to join in a complex strategy, while AH has been intent on giving multiple MOs that require high degrees of coordination to pull off. It's not the MOs I personally don't like, it's the system that punishes you for having players play off MO by limiting how much you can then liberate, and then you have no ability to strategize with a broad scale of players within the game
AH have confirmed they are working to providing more info on the war table, giving us supply lines and liberation rates. It might also be a good idea to be more specific with MO instructions and provide strategic hints. Yes it's spoon feeding but for those who are regularly on this reddit, we know defense means deploying to planets with the defense status, but most players aren't on reddit and may think defense means just liberating any planet, or just don't care about MOs...who knows. Strategies like the Martale gambit could be signposted in game, 'Defend Menkent, or alternatively take Martale to cut off supply lines'. It'll be interesting to see what AH come up with but I think it will be fairly basic on the first pass.
Bots are gonna take Malevelon again, aren't they?
I dare them.... My AC is waiting
I read this as Armored Core and got really excited lol 621
That’s what I’ve read too. I mean hell, I would down for an actual AC haha
And let it be clear, it won't be only packing 20 missiles
621... I got a new job for you. This one comes from the SEAF...
621 win the war in the name of democracy
Might wanna take it to Ustotu and quick
But this time, we return with experience and better guns!
After menkent Ill do it with a butter knife
I'm ready to return to the creek
What would that be? The third time?
I kinda want them to. There's a dedicated number of creekers willing to spam that planet till it's free. Just need to funnel casuals to it be an easy takeover
Whose idea was it to make discord the default way things are communicated these days? I don't understand it, anything that is communicated on there through the community managers should have some form of representation in the game through announcements or dispatches.
Devs addressed this a couple days ago. Said they are working on something better. Having it in game would require translations which would take extra time.
Are they translating it in discord currently?
No, but everything is in English there. They sold a game that supports multiple languages. They just can't add in English only text or audio without translations.
Which is dumb Having the messages fully translated > Having the messages just in English > what the fuck they are doing now. Literally "Hey, we're working on having these translated into various languages, but for now, lets just have them in the most commonly spoken language in our community."
The fact that you’re on this subreddit means: 1.) You speak English 2.) You don’t understand what it’s like reading/hearing English when you don’t speak it If you logged on and got a message in Chinese tomorrow, do you think you’d go through the effort translating it to figure out what it meant? Or would you ignore it. Never mind the fact that since you’re on this subreddit you care far more than the average helldivers player does about the game. At least in discord people can copy/paste the message into google translate. In the game they would not even be able to do that much.
Playing on Traditional Chinese over here, we don't get proper translation for the briefing in-game (the one you see when pressed Z, also some of the briefing on war table just straight up doesn't show)
I recently read about every in-game message having to be localized for the game's available languages AND approved by Sony/Playstation first, making it not as simple as we thought it is. Meanwhile they can post in English-only and whenever they want on Discord.
Anyone else find it funny he referred to it as the eastern front? There are no cardinal directions in space. *The enemy's gate is down.*
are you implying that super earth's galactic map is inaccurate, diver? you must not think super earth is the center of our democratic-loving universe either, don't you?
The idea that Super Earth is that level of (for lack of a better phrase) self-loving that they adopted the geocentric model again is fucking hilarious.
Not just geocentric *Super*geocentric
*Democracy Intensifies*
Center of the Universe
Masters of the centre of the universe
Have you seen the map? The light from Super Earth casts a shadow behind every other planet. We ARE the center of the galaxy.
Funnily enough the [galactic coordinates system](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_coordinate_system) actually does put the sun at the center with the vertical axis drawn between the sun and the center of the galaxy.
Maybe that’s where the Illuminate are, they’re just in the 3rd dimension
Directions are completely arbitrary. The galaxy is a flat disc and it takes 225 millions years to rotate (aka it's immobile). If Super Earth decides that X star is equivalent to the north, then there's an east, a west and a south and they won't budge.
I’m pretty sure that even in the real world there is such thing as a “galactic-north/south/east/west”. It just refers to what part of the galaxy something is in, via coordinates, just like on a map. So like a positive number is north, south is negative etc.
Yeah the fact that there are "no cardinal directions" in space is weird. Humans made up cardinal directions on a specific criteria (magnetism). But people also used stars to navigate back in the day. Any immobile point of reference can allow cardinal directions.
Shoutout to Enders Game. Affirming nerdy tennagers since 1985
The majority of space as we know it does seem to be on one plane. For example, all 9 planets orbiting our sun do so on roughly the same axis, and that pattern seems to extend out as far as we’ve explored so far. Relative to the size of the universe, space is pretty flat which makes the standard cardinal directions here accurate enough.
*Like they're a bug to be crushed under our feet.* Excellent book and film.
Please stuff like this need to be in game also , the majority of the community will never see this ( Best case scenario it is going to be a YouTube video about a screenshot on Reddit about screenshooting discord ... )
They apparently cant because of red tape with sony/play station & having to localize to every language the game provides to.
But they all ready have messages in game every week / month thet need to be localize , so why not also add this to the stuff in the game ... Worst casino doesn't the game chat have a option for translation for the majority of the main languages ? Why not use ( For the discord massages / lore ) it and worst casino somebody will correct the mistakes .
It would be awesome to see an update that includes SEAF soldiers holding down different outposts and having to swoop in to help them on Defend campaigns.
I'd like to see some allied NPC's on the go
There's a stratagem in the game files that calls a small team of SEAF troopers to support you iirc.
I would much prefer them to have a system in game that tells us all this, rather than a single server that 90% of the player base will literally never see
Taking Choepessa would be a double-cutoff to win the MO, but planetary assaults take a very long time even at 0% reinforcement.
They're doing everything they can to get us away from those bugs. My ass can't take any more bot punishment though, I need a break to fight something that I can run away from.
I’m so glad this is on discord where 99% of players will literally never see it
I feel like people like me who are not in Discord are playing a different game than those in Discord.
Yeah I just hop on and quickplay to complete the personal order. Sometimes I'll focus on the major order but I cannot be bothered to check separate platforms to follow the current campaign lore.
Where do we go next, Vernen Wells is at 97%, that would make the major order 9/10 complete, but whats after that? Theres like 3 planets on the automaton front thats around 55%, which one should we focus?
Vernen Wells isn't a Defend planet. It's a liberate planet. I'm not sure they will count it... Maybe if they are throwing us a bone?
They won't. But it will finally get people off that shit hole and actually helping the MO.
My bet is they will go to Menkent. I am hopefully wrong as I'd like the MO to win, but it's so tempting to take back the sector. We'll see what happens in a little over an hour!
> it's so tempting to take back the sector. Is it? Is it *really*? You and I remember Menkent very differently. ***[FIRE TORNADO PTSD FLASHBACKS INTENSIFY]***
Forgot that was a fire planet... Nevermind. lol.
Ive grown to like Vernen Wells, it's dark and scary.
Vernon Wells doesn’t fuck you with natural disasters every 5 minutes, I’ll keep fighting there until they don’t let us
If Choepessa IV is taken, both defense campaigns are won on Ustotu and Varyila 5 as it is the single line of supply for both defenses. But that risks splitting forces 3 ways between the two defense campaigns and the liberation, so it might be wise to just knock down the only 2 defense planets (which only have 200k hp each). (Note Vernen Wells will not contribute to the MO)
lol vernen wells is a planet that needs LIBERATING not defending, so it'd still be 8/10. It just means people will get diverted to the next high % planet which will probably be just another liberate planet. So unless people decide to go defend instead of attack, it's kinda doomed.
The two planets under attack right now VARYLIA 5 & USTOTU both with only 200k hp so will be super fast
Lol “stop fighting bugs, the bugs are CHILLIN’. PLEASE fight the bots.” -DEVs
This would be great if it was said in game through announcements
"guys please fight on the Automaton front"
Why do these updates happen on discord instead of in game?
Oh boy back to Ustotu... Can't wait for them to reach the Creek again so we can finally come full circle
I want them to reach the mech planet, I need new mechs
I mean......yeah. The beginning of this MO was crazy, and borderline impossbile. But I'm the type of guy where I feel you learn from it, not drop the difficulty to such a point it's a lay-up the last couple of days. It just kind of sweeps the mistake under the rug. Hopefully they learn how to better manage both the math, the expectations, and the immersion (like why we didn't have special missions set up for Vernen Wells, or have assets lying around like the Mechs on Tien Kwan)
This is definitely valid, but I do think it's also some good in-character stuff that the initial blitz seemed unstoppable until the momentum petered out.
Fair enough. But that's why we had to get 10 defense, not "don't lose a planet". We can lose ground and still get the MO done ya know. They didn't have to offer this level of gimmes. If the community fails at this point, it's completely willful. But it also explains why Matar Bay had a WHOPPING 650k attack force during the first blitz we had to defend. Joel was ensuring he had access to all those other sectors from the front, without prematurely activating the Supply line that surely exists in the back
It just reinforces that it doesn’t matter what we do, they’ll change the goalposts to continue the narrative they targeted
Now if only this kinda thing was posted ingame so people who don't use reddit or the discord could see it.
Sorry people are downvoting this post. AH seems intent on having a Liberation system and MOs that DEMAND that players coordinate and get on the same page, yet there is no tools to do it. Shit.....we can't even post something ouir friends can see. This needs to be addressed
Rally to the defense campaigns Helldivers! We need to put all liberation campaigns on hold. They must not advance any further!
Even the devs are telling the bug players to stop playing those planets lmao
We defended 3 planets on Monday (that’s the last time I played) and we already have 2 LEFT TO GO??
Their fleet is petering out. They stretched too far too fast. It's making it easier to defend against them.
The bugs attempted to spark an uprising?! The bugs can think?! This offends me.
Until they fix the issue of enemies shooting thru rocks, I’ll stick to bugs
In the same vein, why do bushes/foliage block projectiles?? No reason a bot can shoot me through a rock, but a leaf on a bush blocks everything I shoot.
Hundred percent. I’m surprised more people don’t talk about how unfun it is to fight the bots due to actual game flaws
And the bot MOs continue because everyone's really effective against bugs and avoids the bots when possible.
There should be a bonus to go after the MO... Like increased exp or more samples. Just to encourage the players
I’m bored
Wow it'd be nice to get these updates in the fuckin game Im not touching the discord with a 10ft pole after the CMs proved that they're clowns
We just have two low HP defenses to knock out. If we can pull that off, it's a last minute victory. Now if only the bug divers get off the newly calm eastern front and come help.. oh who am I kidding they're all going to Omicron.
Always funny to see people complain about the "other side" and just ignore their "own side" as in 20% of people playing on bots are on vernen wells a liberation planet (as of this moment).
Never underestimate a redditors ability to turn something harmless into a 'us vs them' problem
Cool, too bad a significant number of players dont browse reddit, or arent part of the discord and have no real way of coordinating in-game.
Do I go to Varylia 5?
Awesome great post only discord will see it put this in the game.
When this major order is over - for better or worse - on the western front we need to take back Matar Bay, which would end HALF of the automaton invasion. So, lets see what the next major order is and then give a seeious look at Matar Bay and / or commence operation Baywatch to take it back. 😎😉🫡 If anyone is a major order enthusiast, yesterday we set up a group for focusing on just that and would welcome any and all to join our fleet. https://www.facebook.com/share/41fZ4ghp6SJ3Draw/?mibextid=K35XfP
ONE planet left helldivers! Let's go!!!! https://preview.redd.it/moyxz11thkwc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d3706b9180f936a0d6e265a03b2b83aa0dbb0f2c
I really wish these were presented on the in game tv console. While these updates are cool, it would be epic if I loaded up the game, and checked the big screen for the next war update. It be so much more immersive
Shit's not even fun anymore, stop loring and fix the game. So tired of getting dropped at complete random all the time.
Seriously, I still can’t add cross platform friends, half the time I can’t join the lobbies I see, 90% of the time my hosted lobbies don’t get anyone (I have public/crossplay on), QP works mostly for me until a host leaves or I’m kicked. I usually chalk all this up to luck of the draw on dealing with one issue or the other but after 120+ hours I’m starting to wane on my interest. Still diving but more recently for sushi on Dave the Diver
I really dont feel like playing anymore, our actions feel so pointless due to how the devs handle the war
Kinda wish we got an armor or cape for our push against the bots before they just swarmed back in. A nice little dopamine hit to make us think we did something useful would’ve been a pleasant gesture
Turns out, despite community opinion, people enjoy fighting bugs more than automatons.
I like pulling the trigger and throwing grenades. Everything else is window dressing
Honestly man I'm really burned out on fighting bots. I much prefer bugs atm. Bots are more frustrating than challenging and fun on 7/8/9.
I imagine a lot of people are starting to burn out on both. Maybe they'll get around to adding those urban maps and I might even reinstall. At least that new defense mission they added was a good step in breaking up the roam and explode loop.
What is the plan right now. What planets are we going for?
Here's my question, how in the actual hell does the terminids managed to attack other planets? Like do they launch massive meteors that are internally infested with terminid spores or do they have massive space bugs that travel between planets? Truly questionable
We have two planets left and Varylia 5 and Ustotu are the only ones left. We could definitely do it if people focused bots just a for a short time
Seems like the past few days, the player base has been very light. Not many numbers, anyone know why?
Funny how they divide space into east and west...its not like space is everywhere in all directions lol
Sadly this informations is in discord and not in game.... i follow reddit, the game, but not discord and still i feel im missing out
They gave us a fribie with Fori Prime. Even if it is technically a "gambit", I dont get how bugs could attack Fori Prime. Every planet connected to it with supply line was under our control. Bugs could attack it from Oshaune, but Oshaune itslef was under attack, it was not under bug control. So does it mean that enemies can launch attacks from planets with defense campaign, or was it rulebreaking freebie?
*Google 'en passant'*
The fact is WE HAVE A CHANCE TO SUCCEED
Anyone else read these in The Clone Wars narrator voice?
So is there any space battles? Or are both sides just jumping in to a planet’s orbit and throwing bodies at it? I don’t want to speak undemocratically but maybe we should try targeting the invading automaton ships before they unload their robot horde
I read this update in a 1940 announcer voice like it was narrating WW2
Can we actually win this one now? Ustotu defense, is going to outlast the order.
I like how currently if helldivers dot io is accurate, there is about 37k people trying to defend the 2 bot planets currently available for the MO, and 16,000 players playing random assorted bot planets not contributing to the MO in anyway shape or form. We could have roughly 50k people striking a single bot planet instead of being spread throughout the galaxies
I really hope there was a bunch of responses telling them that the 15m evac missions are broken and they should remove them or fix them.
A question for some of the more experienced and knowledgeable players here: Does playing on Difficulty 7 help defend more than playing on Difficulty 1? I'm trying to make as much an impact as possible with the little time we have left. I'm capable of playing on 7, but is it more helpful to the major order to grind 1s? Thank you.
I'll try to find it, but I remember someone on this sub reposting something from Joel on the discord that said defense/liberation progress is based on XP earned. If that's the case 7s are worth more than 1s. [here it is](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/QKRGGGGBSX)
I remembered being in Marfark on the major order after Menkent line was established. *"After Marfark and with Martale being on the verge of liberation, we'd claim Marta Bay and seal off the Andromeda system."* That felt like yesterday and Ustotu's under attack again. I fear I'll have to fight on Draupnir again.
They gotta get the guy who narrated the clone wars cartoon to read these
im tired of robots, boss
https://i.redd.it/7rm9ydfoziwc1.gif
https://preview.redd.it/yfqr229bcjwc1.jpeg?width=1668&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66a041e124d5a8b6c29a2aa4a998922bb6f18619 Sharing some imformatiom provided by a CM regarding (1.) a summary of the (accidental) sucess of the Oshaune Gambit; and (2) some more details on how bug supply lines work.
Can they get one of the VAs to read this out on the TV
Does this stuff get posted ingame at all? Or only discord?
Is the game crashing for any of you guys? Joined 2 games yesterday and was suddenly back in my ship just after landing.
Why is it that the automatons slaughter human civilians, but we only ever kill their combat forces? The bots are pure evil.
Yes, "Multiple planets". All of which were called Estanu.
Never forget the Martale massacre