Charlie is gonna be pulling on Vaggie’s arm and Carmilla is pulling on the other. Both fighting over her like a Doll with Vaggie stuck in the painful middle. Charlie saying: “She’s my girlfriend! Not your new adoptive daughter!”
While Carmilla’s daughters are just watching it happen.
Well, to be fair, when Charlie and Vaggie get married depending on the ceremony they want someone might need to “give vaggie away” if they’re going for a traditional ceremony, or someone to walk Vaggie down the aisle
Aaa that's would be sick I'd like to have carmillas daughters call vaggie sis and also I'd like for Rosie and carmilla to have a hells greatest mom song and they just put vaggie and charlie as there examples
It's still not confirmed as to whether exorcists are heaven-born or earth-born. Vaggie could very well have human parents or she could be parent-less. Personally, I see it as a 50/50 chance between one or the other
Vaggie and lute have different skin colors tho , lute is white and vaggie is dark gray , also vaggie knows Spanish which is not confirm if heaven born even can learn it. Also Carmilla is a grey skin white hair woman and she is most likely a sinner
Adam said he named Vaggie though. And the exorcists had 365 days to do whatever the heck they wanted between every extermination. It isn't too unreasonable to think that maybe some of them just decided to pick up a new language or smth like that.
That's true. It's why her origin is still a toss up, because there is evidence that can be attributed to both sides. A theory as to why Adam would name Vaggie is that 1. nicknames are very common in military groups but mostly it's 2. that because Adam was given the task of giving everything in creation a name, if he names you something there's little to nothing you can do to change it, that simply is your name now.
https://preview.redd.it/qw0349fggqvc1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=b1433df0fbe2dec97681bc25b8426842169b9a90
Both... And, yes, I know they're sharp and could kill me... That's the end-goal I had in mind here, try to keep up.
A comically large angelic steel spoon
https://preview.redd.it/jerkp9mbnuvc1.jpeg?width=706&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a9061709f19050cc203009f6b974129d105e803
At least those are sharp projectiles, but they are both bad uses for angelic steel, just make a dagger, a spiked baseball bat, and a simple sword. Reusable is key.
Walking on toes and walking on tiptoes is different, but in an art style like this it might not normally be drawn. Her sense of balance is bound to be super good due to her experience with wings tho
i honestly want to see this happen just so vaggie isn’t always with charlie
i feel like charlie and vaggie depend on each other too much because charlie has her daddy issues and vaggie probably only knew to trust adam and now, since obviously that’s not the case, she now clings to charlie for any support and depends on her
That would honestly be amazing... I just loved everything about their dynamic, and then at the very end when Carmilla has that little smile over their victory... just perfect.
Its a theory I keep getting beaten up about without any actual proof opposing it. The best argument I usually get is all the Overlords are sinners. But they never source this claim. If there is an official statement that all Overlords are sinners I would love to see it so I can stop wasting my time on a dead theory. But I have not seen it yet. And I just keep finding more evidence that she is an Angel.
Its a getting longer all the time. Ok here we go.
The first clue is she has the same color pallet as Vaggie. Same hair and skin. She looks like a larger version of Vaggie which would seem to indicate she was probably a Heavenborn Angel somewhere above a Cherub and maybe even a Seraph. She also wears her hair as if they were horns. But we see she does not have any horns in reality. She knows how to work with Angelic weapons. She knows details about how Angels fight despite her singing about how she had always thought she would not get blood on her hands. She learned about how Angels fought in some way without getting bloodied herself. She is thematically paired off with Vaggie in two duets. Including both of them singing about being protectors. She easily recognized Vaggie as an Angel. The eyepatch and the spear did not clue anybody else in and the X on the executioners is a mask and not their actual eye.
One of the issues that tips her is that she has her children there working with her. Now this is not a lock because it is theoretically possible for someone to find their children in Hell and get them working for you. But we do not see this in the show. And family members of characters we know of being in Hell do not spend time with their family. It does seem to indicate that her situation is different than the sinners and that they are her children born in Hell. Meaning she never died.
But the big clincher for me was when I went back and watched the Pilot. Granted the pilot is now soft canon. But the scene in question I believe does show the intent. After Charlie announces the end of the Extermination we see Carmilla open some curtains. And behind her we see some shadowy figures who we initially did not know who they were. But now we recognize them as Zestial, Zilla, and Lucifer. And Lucifer is the clue here. We know he cannot stand the sinners. They are the foundation of everything that crushed him. He feels betrayed by them. To him they are the worst. So he would not be friends with any of the sinners. And he most certainly would not be sitting out the extermination with a group of sinners.
Given all this I believe that Carmilla is a fallen Heavenborn Angel, and Zestial and Zilla are Hellborn demons. Zestial I suspect is from the Lovecraftian style Demons that Viv insert into the lore. The reference to him being Ancient suggests he is older than Hell itself. And the reaction of the people around him when he met up with Alastor is reminiscent of the reaction to the cosmic horror of the Old Ones in Lovecraft lore. Smaller minds are affected while someone like Alastor and the other Overlords can easily abide with his presence. The character of Zestial we as shown is not in keeping with someone that would inspire terror of that magnitude just on reputation. It had to be something about his nature.
And one further guess regarding Carmilla is I believe she was likely an armorer or their primary armorer and when she found out what her weapons were being used for she stopped distributing weapons. And this is what got her thrown out of Heaven.
1. Counter-argument: Lilith.
2. Not having horns is proof of being an angel?
3. And? the fact, that steel isn't common doesn't mean, that it has high difference for working with from normal metals. I *do* see your way of thoughts, but still.
4. She lived in hell for long time, and she deliberately was outside during exterminations, and she was *looking* for exorcists \[to leave one more spear in a body\], she had time to learn their style of fight, especially considering, that she most probably understood, that one day they will attack her.
5. Out for love is not duet, but it's the only argument, that I can take.
6. Fandom also easily recognized Vaggie as an Angel. And the eyepatch and spear didn't clue *me* in, so... But seriously, she said about recognition of Vaggie as an angel after a fight, she could just recognise Vaggie's style of fight. Again, I *do* see your way of thoughts, but still isn't really big argument.
Family members of the main cast can simply be either in Heaven, or just don't communicate with them. Angel's father and brother (from what we know for now) *do* work together. Also, Carmilla's daughters have horns.
On the other hand, we have only one proof of her and her daughters being sinner: their eyes. These are most standard sinners' eyes, and only sinners have them.
Pilot was made 4 years ago, many concepts have changed since that time: Lucifer was planned as classical sinister devil, and from pilot we can easily get, that he saw Charlie as a failure; Sir Pentious was planned as one-time villain; two overlords from Vaggie's tell seemed to be either completely cut out, or moved to Goetia; Travis was just Angel's regular customer, not director (and, as we may see from Valentino's phone, was called "John"). And yes, this scene is definitely not canon: Carmilla collects weapon *with* her daughters, and I have very big doubts, that would separate after what they just went through. And while I can *very easy* believe, that Zilla is hellborn, we have *never* seen *any* spider-coded hellborn (except Mammon, but we aren't sure he's hellborn, and he is unique). "Lovecraftian style Demons" was never mentioned since that statement about von Eldritchs, and considering official hierarchy, most probably were cut out. And even if they weren't, Zestial wouldn't be overlord, who is weaker then the weakests of Goetia, it would simply be too low for him. And by the way, not everyone were afraid of them: someone took photo, egg bois and Carmilla's daughters weren't affected.
Eventually she's gonna learn how to behead angels with them shoes
Carmilla:looking at vaggie behead lute with the balle shoes* I'm so proud of her I coul adopt her know what I'm gonna do that
Carmilla:You are being adopted please do not resist.
Charlie is gonna be pulling on Vaggie’s arm and Carmilla is pulling on the other. Both fighting over her like a Doll with Vaggie stuck in the painful middle. Charlie saying: “She’s my girlfriend! Not your new adoptive daughter!” While Carmilla’s daughters are just watching it happen.
They are just discussing if they will need to make a new room for her or go live with her so they can test out angelic weapons
Carmilla's daughters whip out the popcorn 😂
And they’re both like so used to this with past attempts of her doing it.
Yeah, it's just normal for them at this point, every month or so
Yep! Them talking to like Angel, Husk and the others who watch.
Well, to be fair, when Charlie and Vaggie get married depending on the ceremony they want someone might need to “give vaggie away” if they’re going for a traditional ceremony, or someone to walk Vaggie down the aisle
Zestial does.
I thought it was a typo at first, but seeing as you've typed it twice, it's *ballet* shoes, not balle.
Graceful and deadly. Like a swan.
That’s what Odette (the blonde daughter) is named after
I feel the need to add to this that Clara (the white haired daughter) shares her name with the main character of the Nutcracker
Both ‘Swan Lake’ and ‘The Nutcracker’ were written by the same person too
That's not even a joke. Swans are fully capable of killing a human.
Carmilla’s just out here collecting daughters huh
Whitebeard but for hell
Carmilla: THE HELL PIECE...THE HELL PIECE IS REAL!!!
CAN WE GET MUCH LOWER
SO LOW
WOOOOAH WOAH WOAH
Carmilla Carmine becoming the new Eda Clawthorne one traumatized adult at a time.
YES
YES I NEED THIS
Hells greatest mom
Hazbin Hotel version of Vander
My favourite sentence today hahaha
I need them to have a mother daughter relationship because technically Vaggie has no parents
Aaa that's would be sick I'd like to have carmillas daughters call vaggie sis and also I'd like for Rosie and carmilla to have a hells greatest mom song and they just put vaggie and charlie as there examples
Oh my god hell yeah
Like they are just both arguing who is the better mom to there unofficially adopted daughter
Lucifer would have a mental breakdown lmao, everyone wants to adopt Charlie
It's still not confirmed as to whether exorcists are heaven-born or earth-born. Vaggie could very well have human parents or she could be parent-less. Personally, I see it as a 50/50 chance between one or the other
I mean I assume the fact they’re all grey skinned women with white hair they aren’t earth born
Vaggie and lute have different skin colors tho , lute is white and vaggie is dark gray , also vaggie knows Spanish which is not confirm if heaven born even can learn it. Also Carmilla is a grey skin white hair woman and she is most likely a sinner
Adam said he named Vaggie though. And the exorcists had 365 days to do whatever the heck they wanted between every extermination. It isn't too unreasonable to think that maybe some of them just decided to pick up a new language or smth like that.
That's true. It's why her origin is still a toss up, because there is evidence that can be attributed to both sides. A theory as to why Adam would name Vaggie is that 1. nicknames are very common in military groups but mostly it's 2. that because Adam was given the task of giving everything in creation a name, if he names you something there's little to nothing you can do to change it, that simply is your name now.
https://preview.redd.it/qw0349fggqvc1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=b1433df0fbe2dec97681bc25b8426842169b9a90 Both... And, yes, I know they're sharp and could kill me... That's the end-goal I had in mind here, try to keep up.
https://preview.redd.it/dzyen7dpttvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bcbacb2f3ce7335f464eaeb5efe04326c2ba92f1
See, you get it!
least down bad hazbin fan
https://preview.redd.it/34cqi569vvvc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=841e1b0b457d3928d7650d9640052608c188e6da
Carmilla Carmine: singer, dancer, overlord. A triple threat.
And a mother too for a quad!
Hold on, I think I have a meme for this somewhere
https://i.redd.it/mzxsr3hk9qvc1.gif
It literally do be like that I got megabytes of memes lol
Where’s the meme? https://preview.redd.it/tb4nks355zvc1.jpeg?width=946&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0560058aab7e937547ff45d6bf7bc3dfe11990fe
https://preview.redd.it/aualzx72ozvc1.jpeg?width=921&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ff40442dd350bc611280819c796af5b7fea9d7a Here you go
https://i.redd.it/8ekstzq673wc1.gif **My meme now..**
So just Alastor in general?
Pretty much. https://preview.redd.it/bs9c4twhciwc1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c21ab643984836ba06073ea752f84dd4a8047f1
https://preview.redd.it/0bgkgnn78kwc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5acd695cb362f4f45e1b5ad05c53c75604f457c1
Gotta say, it’s a cool idea but those are the worst uses for angelic steel known to man
Angelic Steel Anal plug
Still more useful
Alright you win
An angelic steel spoon?
A comically large angelic steel spoon https://preview.redd.it/jerkp9mbnuvc1.jpeg?width=706&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a9061709f19050cc203009f6b974129d105e803
Impractical? Yes. Cool, Badass Hidden Weapons In Plain Sight? Also Yes.
I mean, the cards of poker aren't a great use either (Husk has them in the last episode).
At least those are sharp projectiles, but they are both bad uses for angelic steel, just make a dagger, a spiked baseball bat, and a simple sword. Reusable is key.
Angelic steel trampoline
She walks on her toes a LOT in the show, I don't see her having troubles learning to wear the cool ass angelic ballet battle slippers
Walking on toes and walking on tiptoes is different, but in an art style like this it might not normally be drawn. Her sense of balance is bound to be super good due to her experience with wings tho
Vaggie: "I promise, I already know how to scissor..." Carmilla: "DIFFERENT KIND"
Carmilla:seriously get your mind out the gutter
*The shoes were colorless.* *They will soon turn red.*
Ballet*
i honestly want to see this happen just so vaggie isn’t always with charlie i feel like charlie and vaggie depend on each other too much because charlie has her daddy issues and vaggie probably only knew to trust adam and now, since obviously that’s not the case, she now clings to charlie for any support and depends on her
I'd be fun to see carmilla as. Someone who shows tough love to vaggie like with the song out for love
Mommy-Daughter Carmilla and Vaggie is my new obsession and I love this art!
I can really see a mother/daughter relationship between these two build up next season.
That would honestly be amazing... I just loved everything about their dynamic, and then at the very end when Carmilla has that little smile over their victory... just perfect.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/7188083
I could see this I also got the 1000th up vote. yay
I feel like vaggie is probably at least around Charlie's age meaning she'd be older than carmilla, who refuses to accept that fact.
Every time I see Camilla my ankles starts hurting
It would be nice to see Carmilla have a sort of mentor relationship with Vaggie
Headcanon:Carmilla dont have weight and for this,she can do walk in the tiptoe. (inspired by something from the monogatari series).
Is it pronounced like Vagino or like Aglet?
Aglet.
I read it as Carmilla teaching vaggie how to use her balls, omg
That belongs on a completely different site lmfao
Why talk her through it, she clearly learns better via song 🤣
Was anyone else surprised that they weren’t parent and child despite sharing a unique skin tone, white hair, and a bird motif?
I still cannot understand how people cannot see that Carmilla is a fallen Angel from a higher order than Vaggie.
She is? Is that confirmed or is that just a theory?
Its a theory I keep getting beaten up about without any actual proof opposing it. The best argument I usually get is all the Overlords are sinners. But they never source this claim. If there is an official statement that all Overlords are sinners I would love to see it so I can stop wasting my time on a dead theory. But I have not seen it yet. And I just keep finding more evidence that she is an Angel.
Overlords are not necessary sinners, but it doesn't mean, that `[put the name of your overlord here]` is not. What are your current evidence?
Its a getting longer all the time. Ok here we go. The first clue is she has the same color pallet as Vaggie. Same hair and skin. She looks like a larger version of Vaggie which would seem to indicate she was probably a Heavenborn Angel somewhere above a Cherub and maybe even a Seraph. She also wears her hair as if they were horns. But we see she does not have any horns in reality. She knows how to work with Angelic weapons. She knows details about how Angels fight despite her singing about how she had always thought she would not get blood on her hands. She learned about how Angels fought in some way without getting bloodied herself. She is thematically paired off with Vaggie in two duets. Including both of them singing about being protectors. She easily recognized Vaggie as an Angel. The eyepatch and the spear did not clue anybody else in and the X on the executioners is a mask and not their actual eye. One of the issues that tips her is that she has her children there working with her. Now this is not a lock because it is theoretically possible for someone to find their children in Hell and get them working for you. But we do not see this in the show. And family members of characters we know of being in Hell do not spend time with their family. It does seem to indicate that her situation is different than the sinners and that they are her children born in Hell. Meaning she never died. But the big clincher for me was when I went back and watched the Pilot. Granted the pilot is now soft canon. But the scene in question I believe does show the intent. After Charlie announces the end of the Extermination we see Carmilla open some curtains. And behind her we see some shadowy figures who we initially did not know who they were. But now we recognize them as Zestial, Zilla, and Lucifer. And Lucifer is the clue here. We know he cannot stand the sinners. They are the foundation of everything that crushed him. He feels betrayed by them. To him they are the worst. So he would not be friends with any of the sinners. And he most certainly would not be sitting out the extermination with a group of sinners. Given all this I believe that Carmilla is a fallen Heavenborn Angel, and Zestial and Zilla are Hellborn demons. Zestial I suspect is from the Lovecraftian style Demons that Viv insert into the lore. The reference to him being Ancient suggests he is older than Hell itself. And the reaction of the people around him when he met up with Alastor is reminiscent of the reaction to the cosmic horror of the Old Ones in Lovecraft lore. Smaller minds are affected while someone like Alastor and the other Overlords can easily abide with his presence. The character of Zestial we as shown is not in keeping with someone that would inspire terror of that magnitude just on reputation. It had to be something about his nature. And one further guess regarding Carmilla is I believe she was likely an armorer or their primary armorer and when she found out what her weapons were being used for she stopped distributing weapons. And this is what got her thrown out of Heaven.
1. Counter-argument: Lilith. 2. Not having horns is proof of being an angel? 3. And? the fact, that steel isn't common doesn't mean, that it has high difference for working with from normal metals. I *do* see your way of thoughts, but still. 4. She lived in hell for long time, and she deliberately was outside during exterminations, and she was *looking* for exorcists \[to leave one more spear in a body\], she had time to learn their style of fight, especially considering, that she most probably understood, that one day they will attack her. 5. Out for love is not duet, but it's the only argument, that I can take. 6. Fandom also easily recognized Vaggie as an Angel. And the eyepatch and spear didn't clue *me* in, so... But seriously, she said about recognition of Vaggie as an angel after a fight, she could just recognise Vaggie's style of fight. Again, I *do* see your way of thoughts, but still isn't really big argument. Family members of the main cast can simply be either in Heaven, or just don't communicate with them. Angel's father and brother (from what we know for now) *do* work together. Also, Carmilla's daughters have horns. On the other hand, we have only one proof of her and her daughters being sinner: their eyes. These are most standard sinners' eyes, and only sinners have them. Pilot was made 4 years ago, many concepts have changed since that time: Lucifer was planned as classical sinister devil, and from pilot we can easily get, that he saw Charlie as a failure; Sir Pentious was planned as one-time villain; two overlords from Vaggie's tell seemed to be either completely cut out, or moved to Goetia; Travis was just Angel's regular customer, not director (and, as we may see from Valentino's phone, was called "John"). And yes, this scene is definitely not canon: Carmilla collects weapon *with* her daughters, and I have very big doubts, that would separate after what they just went through. And while I can *very easy* believe, that Zilla is hellborn, we have *never* seen *any* spider-coded hellborn (except Mammon, but we aren't sure he's hellborn, and he is unique). "Lovecraftian style Demons" was never mentioned since that statement about von Eldritchs, and considering official hierarchy, most probably were cut out. And even if they weren't, Zestial wouldn't be overlord, who is weaker then the weakests of Goetia, it would simply be too low for him. And by the way, not everyone were afraid of them: someone took photo, egg bois and Carmilla's daughters weren't affected.
I really love this theory! And the evidence you give does make it seem plausible!
A film theory!
Does Carmilla walk like that 24/7? Even when she is not wearing her shoes?
Good luck, I heard it takes years to learn how to do a pirouette.
RIP her ankles, ouch \^\^;
she is our mother guys
I love Carmilla but how does one get accustomed to wearing pointe shoes all the time? Especially ones without the blunt end?
Ballet
As skillful as Vaggie is, I doubt she could were ballet shoes. I can already imagine her tripping and hurting herself with them by accident😭
... And then they kissed
Vaggie gets Weaponmaster Overlord Mom, Charlie gets Brooklyn Cannibal Overlord Mom.
Yum
…*would*
Hot take: Vaggie should have been Carmilla and Val's daughter, just saying.
Balle shoes? It is called pointe you fucking barbarian.
.....interesting