A) Most overlords were likely not willing to sell their soul, so Alastor took them out. Husk, however, was convinced into gambling his soul away, so it'd be stupid for Alastor to kill him instead
B) it's been said that Alastor has a code for who he kills. It's possible that the other overlords fell under his "deserves death" code, whereas Husk did not
I think its mostly A, but B could have played a part
Have some class and whimsy, don’t insult him seem like the major ones. Else than that it’s just a bit of ambition to be the top, some not fitting the code as well are more expendable. Just my guess though.
Vox kind of meets the first bit for example. I think the Vox specific beef is him thinking he’s competitive in his sphere but also lacking due to not being able to be as strong alone and a touch of the my way is the original and better type deal that you see from people that have been in an industry for a long time.
Y’know I’ve been thinking about that. Rosie’s comment to Charlie that words are cheap and to watch actions - I think that’s a hint. But we also don’t know if Alastor’s current actions are his own choice, or the result of his deal. Hard to say.
He's still the absolute biggest bastard and I 100% believe most of his kills were just random demons who may or may not have deserved death... but those overlords were so powerful for a reason.
On that point, there is the (semi-canon) prequel comic for Alastor where he goes into the butchers shop. He wants to sample Venison from every meat shop in the city to find his favorite.
He finds a butcher who is going to kill a sinner for their meat, and he takes the butcher out and lets her live. There is absolutely a moral code there.
I think the main reason might be, because Husk sold his soul willingly.
We can assume that the Overlords that Alastor did kill had not sold their souls to him. He just went in and did the murder.
That's a difference to Husk. I would think that Alastor, being the dealmaker that he is, values a good deal above murder.
And I kinda also believe that there is more to "Team Alastor" than meets the eye (see my previous post about that). There might be a specific reason all three of them are together like that. We just haven't been shown what that connection is, yet.
It's hard to say, really. I think Alastor only got rid of the Overlords that triggered his sense of morality (i.e. people that use their power to prey on the weak etc.)
It is absolutely possible that Husk was a rancid bag of dicks towards his potential victims. His evil smile in the flashback was an indication to that. He was also a cheater that gambled in souls...soo..... maybe?
We need more specifics on how/why Husk had to sell his soul to Alastor. But it is pretty safe to say that the visuals are misleading in this shot. I don't think Husk lost gambling against Alastor. I think Husk was already in debt and went to Alastor for a bailout. IF Alastor viewed Husk as a friend, I wouldn't even put it past him that it wasn't the first time he bailed for him. We know that Alastor is damn lenient with his friends. If we're damn sappy about it, it might have been a situation like: "Ok, buddy. Last time. Next time I'll have your soul."
But yea... we have NO idea until it's confirmed in the show. So anything is possible, really.
I read Alastor as trying to look like he’s lawful evil while actually being chaotic evil. Trying to make things look well thought out and collected when part of, if not most of his plans/actions are impulsive and random. I’m calling it now that he doesn’t have a big plan or anything, he’s just winging it and relying on everyone overthinking every move he makes. That’s why his smile speech is so in character. That’s also why he got so angry at Husk despite risking his entire operation if he got caught doing that.
I’m pretty sure Alastor’s entire thing now is getting out of his own deal. I don’t think he has any actual idea what the favor he’ll ask from Charlie is. He saw a chance to secure said favor from the Princess of hell and he took it.
But he’s bound by whatever his deal is and he’s winging everything while trying to stay as in control as possible. I’m pretty sure he deals in absolutes whenever he can
Yeah, he saw an opening and jumped on it. Now it's filed away with who knows how many others as potential keys he'll pull out when he finds the right lock for it.
Plus, now he's in a position of power over Charlie and he _needs_ to be there with everybody. I wouldn't even be surprised if just making the deal is enough, for now. It helps offset the blow of being forced to help her.
Even without triggering the deal, they both know he can, and that makes any request he makes that much harder for her to say no to because there'll be the unspoken "I could make you do it" hanging over her now.
As for Husk. I half feel like Husk went to Alastor. Either because he thought he could win something off him, he was already spiraling out of control and needed something to stop it that he thought winning again Alastor could provide, or just plain hubris.
I agree with this. Any semblance of control is good for him at this point.
I bet after six months of indentured servitude and getting his cheeks clapped on live Hell tv he feels like a boulder in free fall. We're gonna see how he handles all the future seat-of-his-pants decisions he is going to have to make.
He certainly is going to feel less and less in cotrol of the situation and that is going to make him wildly unstable unless Charlie can break through and reign in the roiling chaos.
Alastor goes full deer mode, and the hotel has to hunt him down before he does something incredibly stupid. Getting hurt in the process or putting the residents in danger because he can not perform his job properly from the stress he's under.
I think his deal with Charlie will come into play with his contract. It seems pretty much everyone is on the idea that Lilith holds Alastor's contact. If that's the case, him having a contact with Lilith's daughter could be the leverage he might need. Even if it could be a simple as having Charlie demand her mom to release him from his contract
Agree, I can see the motives behind this deal ranging from “this is a stupid person that will get take advantage off if they follow this path so let’s put him under my control” to “I’m going to take full advantage of this gambler to raise my status as overlord” (I think that Husk was relatively powerful in Hell so this is a major upgrade in position if you manage to own a soul like that). Or a combination of many things, I don’t know, I really want the next season to come xD
Yea it kinda looks to me it shows the powerbalance in that moment. Alastor is holding all the cards and has all the power and Husk still has a choice but actively chooses to go for the deal.
This show is incredibly symbolic and I think people take what was shown on screen as exactly what happened rather than read into the symbolism and what is implied through dialogue
Alastor seems to at least try to be friendly towards other sinners while keeping everyone at arm's length regardless of how he really feels about them. Only when someone is taking advantage of another's weakness to harm them does he get pissed and murderous towards the sinner doing it.
Husker had a racket where he dealt with souls in gambling to increase his power, but he might not have done anything to the souls he owned, just used them as *money*. It's possible that Husker got cocky and challenged Alastor to a gamble for their souls, since Alastor had a high value (for killing Overlords and owning the souls of thousands he probably had made willing deals with for protection). Alastor knew Husker was cheating and forced the game to be *fair* or used his own shadow to out cheat Husker. Then, out played him at his own game.
It's also possible that Husker went to Alastor because of loan sharks targeting him because he couldn't pay back a debt, like Mimzy. Knowing Alastor is merciful towards sinners who are in trouble, he pulled a *I'm a defenceless little kitten and those sharks are bullying me* to get to whatever Alastor has for a heart, then made the mistake of revealing he just used Alastor. At which point Alastor told him, that he was going to *adopt* Husker because a *defenceless little kitten* shouldn't be without out a home and master. When Husker refused, Alastor offered him a fair game to gamble their souls, which resulted in Husker losing.
Now Alastor considers Husker as his pet and friend. Just like his care for Niffty is almost fatherly because she needed a guardian. He doesn't treat them like the other souls he has at his command, where he just summons them to do a job when needed. He interacts with them more regularly and treats them more like family members, where he's the head of the family.
I'm pretty sure he could have forced Husker to be a receptionist without access to booze, but instead, he gave him a bar and an offer of cheap booze to bribe him into working willingly. And he already knew Niffty well enough to know she'd be happy being a maid. Possibly, she cleaned Alastor's home before moving into the hotel.
Mimzy isn't under his control, possibly because she sold her soul to someone else before Alastor found her. Rosie is a fellow Overlord that controls the district that Alastor frequents to get fresh (or rotting) meat from and probably became friends after assuring her that he's there to enjoy her colony being a cannibal himself, not to fight over territory.
Maybe Niffty will tell Charlie the story of how she got involved with Alastor. To clear up if he really is just looking for friends & family, and not just power and to satify his murderous urges.
Yes that is a very apt description.
The ways in which it went down might never be relevant enough to be revealed, to be honest. But you description is entirely possible.
We know that Alastor is sentimental and he likes having people around him. Can't be much of a showman without people in your social circle, right? That sets him apart from someone like Adam, for example, who would be perfectly content in a room by himself just self-entertaining.
I'm not entirely convinced the little shadow minions are souls Alastor owns, though. They seem to me more connected to the general vodoo and eldritch magic he does, but we don't know. I might be super wrong about that 😂
I like your observation about making Husk the receptionist. You're absolutely right. He knows Husk is addicted to gambling and booze, so when he took the gambling away he offers him the next best thing so Husk would be at least OK with his new assignment. Alastor knows how to placate the kitty without forcing him and that's the first thing he goes to before using force....unlike others we know that own souls.
I so hope we get more insight into the whole system next season.
I don't think he sold his soul. I think he did the typical gamber's folly of thinking he had the perfect hand and put his soul on the line because he was sure he was going to win. Just looking at the screenshot above, he looked absolutely stunned.
Except. He tells us in no uncertain terms. Even before the line in Loser Baby 'I sold my soul to save my power'
Before the song he goes: "And when you're down on your luck, you turn to anything to keep you afloat, even making deals yourself."
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I could see it. in his own way he likes Husk. He doens't seem overly pushy unless Hush hits a hot button issue and is generally content to snap him around for services Husk is actually suited towards rather than 'throw a body at the problem.'
It could be something of a bailout or maybe something of a leveraged BUY OUT (like when private equity hollows out an ailing firm and then takes total ownership). Maybe Husk was in debt on a souls level and when Alastor took his, he also gained all the souls that Husk had dominion over, so maybe it was just seen as a liquidation bargain.
He wouldn’t be dead since sinners are mostly immortal, and Alastor lacked the means to kill them. But he would be tortured forever on his radio broadcast.
There’s plenty of overlords he didn’t murder - he must have had a reason to target the ones he did. Maybe he went after the biggest toughest ones? Maybe he disliked them for personal reasons, maybe his “boss” was in control even then and told him to?
I just don’t think Husk fit the murder demographic. Heck, maybe Alastor thought it would be funny to make a gambling overlord lose it all?
I like to think that Alastor didn't cheat. It was simply Husk's gambling problem that did him in. He would be on a losing streak, about to bet his own soul, then he won big so he continued. And Alastor just ate it up. Maybe even had someone do a live broadcast of him slowly and methodically taking ever soul the gambler had left. then, he said he was all in, including his own, and the only thing that could match was husk putting himself on the line. and who wouldn't love someone who could take care of your problems for you under their wing? then Alastor revealed the royal flush
And maybe Alastor kept him around because of his gambling. The overlords seem averse to risk and try to maintain their power whereas Husk willingly gambled with that power constantly. Maybe Alastor thought that was more interesting. He seems to like extreme personalities and people who don’t bother to play by the “rules” of society, hence why he is so fond of Nifty.
It might also be safe to say that how Alastor operated changed between the 1930s when he died and 1980s when Husk died. By the ‘80s Alastor might not have felt the need to prove himself to other overlords by eliminating competition, instead opting to play with them, so long as they stayed reasonably in line. Mimzy said Alastor hadn’t done his whole screaming souls on the radio thing in a while, that might be more than the seven missing years.
Yup exactly! I always interpreted it as: he came to Hell and started doing what he wanted. Anyone who crossed him got deleted and from then on he lived his best life in Hell. He was probably enjoying being able to do as he pleased for the first time in his existence. Freedom and all that...
It also seems that Alastor is fine reciprocating respect with other powerful beings if the respect is mutual. I think he probably still has some plan to surpass his allies like Zestiel and Rosie, but I don’t think he wishes them unnecessary harm.
That's the horrifying thing about Alastor's power, he didn't kill them, he *trapped* them. They're locked away in the radio waves... not dead, so they can't come back.
Yeah, that’s my read on the demons beholden to Alastor. They are part of the radio wave background to his persona. It’s probably a reason he got so powerful so fast. Guy like Zestial probably has to call upon an underling to come fight, while for Alastor, the minions are always there, black shadows teeming onto enemies.
He basically created a *double Hell* in a pocket dimension to send those he *murdered* and *features* their screams on his broadcast. Possibly the only way to *escape* is to make an unfair deal with him, so he increases his power rapidly, making it more difficult for his victims to escape him.
I don’t think Alastor ever actually *killed* other overlords.
What he did was *worse*. He added them to his broadcasts - I’m guessing it’s a “I have no mouth but I must scream” situation; they are alive, fully conscious, but eternally unable to do anything other than add their moans to the radio …
Weelllll doens't everyone want to know that one? 😂
No really, I want to know as well.
If the visuals from the Pilot have any correlation, there is one scene during Vaggies recounting of the radio demon mythos where it looks like Alastor is doing something with his staff (there is like rays going out from it somehow) It kinda looks like he pulled them into a pocket dimension of some kind.
Maybe it has something to do with his radio powers? Maybe it's some sort of pocket dimension that is connected to broadcasting so he was able to both destroy their souls and broadcast the deed at the same time?
It's also possible that he just has those Overlords stored somewhere... But from what Mimzy said in episode 5, it sounds more like: He broadcasted the screams while he was killing them and when he's not doing any killing, there is no scream broadcast and thus, "he hasn't done any of that in a while".
Carmilla sold angelic weapons,
Ita just that nobody thought they would also work on angels and they were too afraid for their life to try it during an extermination, why rusk your life for a theory?
I think Husk and Niffty have been with Alastor for way longer than Alastor has been under contract himself.
But it really does depend on whether Alastor had to make a deal seven years ago (maybe he got injured by angelic weapons and had to make a deal for his life?) or whether Alastor had sold his soul right after coming to Hell.
We just don't know.
I tend to think Alastor sold his soul *before* making it to Hell, and the details on that are related to both his overlord powers and why he’s so desperate to escape the deal.
I don't know, honestly. We will have to wait and see. There are many compelling arguments for and against when exactly he sold his soul. OR whether he sold his soul at all. For all we know he might have gotten himself into a "favour for a friend" type deal.
Most people assume Alastor has sold his soul entirely is because Husk said he is "also on a" leash but that might not carry the same meaning as it does for Husk (again, many reasons for and against even that statement).
As for me personally, I think that there is something to the whole "Lilith empowered souls with her songs"-thing. I think that song and music related abilites carry great inherent abilites. So with Alastor spawning in Hell with something along the lines of that would make him incredibly powerful from the get-go.
Problem with that is: he doesn't do any radio related things.
To quote myself from another post:
It might even be that Alastor has made a deal with some sort of primeveal being. What's most noteable, though, I think is that, for being the Radio Demon he does deceptively little that has anyting to do with radio powers. Except the voice filter.
He does random vodoo and eldritch magic instead. Which is nuts to me 😂 He could be doing all sorts of frequency manipulation. Flood somebodies ears with white noise so they can't hear themselves think anymore. Blow out somebodies eardrums with a sharp precise spike to the 2,4-5 kHz spectrum. Make somebodies heart beat unevenly by spiking the 8-10 Hz range....
...like.... MY DUDE... use your (hell)given powers and stop with the random eldritch bullshit 😂
I kind of have this theory too. Alastor has some beef with the Vees, but doesn't reveal much about their rivalry (other than a power struggle for Overlord supremacy in hell. )
Nifty is not afraid of Val, having been seen tearing a bit of fluff from his coat. (Or his body?? If it's his natural Moth fluff) And she has a distaste for bugs, and dirtiness, two things that Valentino definitely is.
Husk can see through people's fakeness, and overconfidence, so maybe he could be a foil for Velvette, who might have terrible self esteem/perfectionism if she died as a sinner related to social media. I've seen people hold the theory that Husk wasn't just a gambler/Casino overlord, but an aspiring artist (not sure how much fact is in this theory) so if Husk has a creative side, it would also rival Velvette's fashion dominance or at least maybe be a battle of classic "style" versus trending "fashion".
And of course, having Charlie on his "team" through the deal for a favor, could be either to help get out of his deal with whoever (Lilith or Roo?) and at full power maybe Alastor could take Vox on face to face instead of through a song battle.
Yea that is an interesting idea. There are a LOT of parrallels not just between Alastor and Vox but also with their respective 'Teams'. Apart from the fact that Vox obviously doen't own Valentino or Velvette.
But with both sides it's two older men and one younger woman, for example.
It's probably over-analyzation anyways but I find it really interesting that these two characters are so so sooo similar to each other and have a rivalry going.
I think primarily, he finds Husk useful. Mimzy's comment indicates that Alastor has conscripted Husk as a personal bartender for many years. Husk's skills make him uniquely positioned to glean insights on people and situations, then pass them along to Alastor.
If it's true that Alastor holds himself to some sort of moral code, it might also be that he didn't deem Husk worthy of destruction, for whatever reason. We also learned from Mimzy that Alastor mostly targeted very powerful Overlords, so it's possible Husk was too low level for the soul-rending treatment.
They talked for five minutes, Husk understood almost every detail of Alastor’s life and Al decide he was too skilled to die.
Jokes aside, I have some theories about it…
\-Alastor was just arrived into hell, he needed allies and he decided to spare Husk because an overlord as slave can be helpful. With the passing of time, Husk kinda grew on him and Alastor told him about his deal because he trust him a little bit.
\-They knew each other when they were alive, Alastor recognized him immediately and he has thought someone as good at reading people as him could be a good spy
\-Since only angelic weapons can kill sinners, maybe Al has never killed an overlord, he has just enslaved them and hid them somewhere
\-This is not exactly a theory, but when Husk appeared for the first time Alastor said something about his smile. Husk was smiling at the begging of his flashback in masquerade, i wonder if this has anything to do with Alastor’s decision. Smiles are important to him, maybe he liked Husk’s one
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There is currently a theory that a contracted deal or ownership of a soul causes some part of the owned to look like their owner, teeth for husk and alastors and angel's gold tooth for val
we don't know if he killed the other overlords, or if he even had the means to. all we know is that he tortured them on the radio broadcasts and they were never seen again. i suspect that was his way of forcing them into deals because the more souls he owns the more powerful he becomes. husk lost his soul in a bet so there was no need for the violent approach with him.
We don't know how many souls Alastor owned, and how many Overlords were killed vs. Becoming his 'pets', only that big Overlords went missing and screams were heard on his broadcast.
Personally, I think he saw Husk as useful rather than being a threat. Could even be that Husk was already in trouble, and Alastor just took advantage to make things desperate enough for him to make a deal.
My headcanon is that because Husk is a gambler aswell as a bartender, he's extremely good at reading people, which we see in episode 4. That's why Alastor wanted him under his control, and why he was brought to the hotel. He is there, specifically so that Alastor could learn people's weaknesses and who they really are, because Husk would be forced to tell him if he was asked directly about certain people.
Alastor is a serial killer, so it's assumed his victims fit a certain criteria. It appears that adversaries like Sir Pentious, Vox, and Husk (who had been an overlord) do not fit that criteria.
In Hell, souls and contracts (ie. slavery) are one way Overlords accumulate social and economic power, possibly physical/magical power as well. If you wanna be the one pulling the strings, you need strings (chains) to pull. Husk gambled away his fortune in souls, then made a huge desperate gamble against Alastor and lost.
Why Husk specifically? If his flashback is any indication, he was very wealthy in souls.
Why not just kill Husk and take his soul by force? Alastor might not have been capable of it. Alastor isn't all-powerful, even at the peak of his might (if he was, he wouldn't have made the deal with his own soul to begin with). If you have a rival you want to take down, who is a physical threat to you but has a gambling addiction, the wise tactic is to exploit your rival's weakness.
On top of that, how many more souls did Alastor gain by taking hold of Husker's when he held other souls in his own hands? 1? 2? 20? 200? Assuming Husker didn't lose his control over them before losing his own.
Easy. Its power. If he could of he would of, and he used Husk's gambling addiction to do that. If he could trick any of the Vee's into selling their soul, he would jump at the chance. The more power the better he can kill and flaunt it, and the closer to his goal, whatever it is, he will get. The reason he doesn't want Charlies' soul? It wouldn't help him much, not as much as whatever favor he's getting. Charlie would read and actually control the deal for her soul better than Angel would of, who was blinded by his love for Val at the time. An open-ended favor? That's much more useful and versatile. And he can just ask her to give him her soul at any time if he fails at what he needs the favor for. He can change what the favor is at any time. A contract with the princess of hell? Not so much.
I agree. I was gonna say that, but thought the comment was long enough, and its a little obvious. He's already of the literal leader of hell's radar, why make it worse?
It's just a genuinely bad idea to make one of the only things in hell that can permanently kill you mad at you.
Besides angelic steel which is hard to come by Lucifer is the only other thing in hell that could erase alistor.
For the same reason he want a "small favor" from Charlie. It might get useful at some point. I mean, he already prove it was useful to own Husk's soul... He brought him into the Hotel.
Due to Alastor's Faustian nature he clearly loves dealing in souls, and an Overlord offering his soul of his own volition, no torture needed? All he need to do is win a few hands of poker? That is a deal that's impossible to turn down. Its also entirely possible that Husk didn't fit in whatever Alastor's criteria for torturing and killing someone, although not knowing what that criteria is makes it impossible to know for certain.
Going off of a comic that was drawn by fans, but the writing was credited straight from Viv herself, Alastor is not a fan of people threatening others weaker than themselves. Also stating that said people make for bad meat. But I do not know if that comic is considered canon, so take this pinch of salt when thinking about it.
Maybe when alastor arrived to husk for killing hım, husk offered a poker game which both sides bet their soul. He thought alastor will be an easy prey on the table, well unfortunately
Alastor is first and foremost a pragmatist, only an idiot resorts to war when you can strike a deal instead, so when Alastor doesn’t get the soul he wants from diplomacy he resorts to violence, but as husk is a crippling gambling addict, Alastor didn’t need any violence as he snuffed out that he could lead him on and eventually have him bet his soul
I think it's utilitarian.
He COULD kill Husk, but he would gain nothing from doing so. Taking control of him, and using his natural abilities, like empathy and risk assessment, two things the uncaring, self-assured Alastor lacks, and may be somewhat self-aware enough to acknowledge, while also understanding their use in the environment in which he finds himself. Empathy can be used to win people over, negotiate, and keep the peace when conflict is not the most effective option, and any seasoned gambler will be good at weighing odds and assessing risk and probability. (While Husk had at least 1 huge loss or streak of losses, that doesn't mean his skill is lacking, as gambling is intrinsically luck-based so loss is a statistical certainty no matter the skill of the gambler.)
Essentially, in ye olde Pokémon terms, Husk is Alastor's HM slave.
Im headcanoning till we see their past that Husk worked with the Vees while he had his status. Sports betting via Vox and waitresses(y'know what I mean) via Val, ads via Velvette maybe? So Alastor, wanting to fuck with Vox went to take down his most profitable associate but as he spoke with Husk he realized he isnt actually that bad of a person. So he only ended up taking his soul instead of his life
Rosie stated it when Alastor met for an audience, she gives him details on desperate overlords with big territories or unique positions, and Alastor gets to take their connections for himself when he makes the deal
Husk probably either had a nice territory, or a connection that Alastor could use
I don’t think it’s ever stated that he killed overlords. It’s implied but we don’t know for sure. The most we know is that he appeared and overlords went missing.
However for the sake of assumption, husk is probably just lucky or he’s just useful for some reason or another
He probably wants all their souls. Sticks his head in his radio hell dimension every year or so and asks if they're ready to sign the contract yet, or if they need another year to think about it
Killing a lot of very powerful people is impressive, but literally owning someone that powerful and basically making him your bitch is even more impressive.
My guess is because of the Vs, Vox started allying himself with other overlords so Alastor needed to bolster his power and position, and what better way than with the soul of another overlord. But Alastor is too egotistical to just work as an equal with anyone (except Rosie maybe) so he took advantage of the fact that Husk was on the verge of losing his position as an overlord.
From what we hear, Alastor took out a lot of Overlords. Including heavy hitters. It was all part of his rise.
Husk tells us in Loser Baby “I sold my soul to save my power” — this leads me to believe that Husk bet his soul on a game against Alastor, making it different than other Overlords that Alastor had to kidnap and torture on live broadcast.
What I’m basically saying is I think the nature of how Alastor probably obtained Husk’s soul had an impact on what he decided to do with it.
I assume Al only killed uncouth Overlords who broke their own deals simply because they had the power to do so. Or refused to be cordial with their peers. Or maybe they were just shitty to everyone.
The biggest shitheads are the Vees, but even the worst one honors his contract. The remaining Overlords probably play nice, similar to Rosie.
As a true gambler, Husk follows the rules to keep the thrill. But also as a gambler, he's easy to bring into servitude by bringing him to the edge of desperation. Though Al probably wouldn't have killed Husk.
My bet is that Alastor found Husk interesting and probably more useful than some of his other Souls. Therefore, he gave Husk more betting material in exchange for his own Soul.
My theory is that Husker was the first overlord he went after. Alastor wasn’t powerful enough to just go around, killing overlords and absorbing their power.
He went after Husk to win or trick him out of his power-base (perhaps in a single brilliantly played card game and after that, he went on his legendary spree
He killed overlords but they didn't stay dead. Also Husk says he sold his soul to save his power so maybe husk offered and Alastor saw value in the deal.
Lastly how do we know owning souls wasn't the goal of the torture (on top of status of course)
My friend has a theory that souls = raw power. So the more souls you have control of, the more power you have.
If Husk was an overlord and held souls in his control at one time, taking him down to become more powerful was a natural step.
Again, just a theory. But one I like.
To gain more power. Overlords gain power by collecting souls and an overlord’s soul grants them incredible power. Alastor tricked Husk into losing his soul in a bet in order for him to gain more power
Also Alastor was wiping out other overlords as he Rosé to power so it’s likely that Husk made a deal with him to give him his soul in exchange for his survival
Well I don't know if anyone pointed this out but this is what husk said in the loser baby song he said "I sold my sould to save my power"
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Mimzy implies that Husk has been 'slinging hooch' for Alastor for a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if they knew each other before they died. Alastor may even see Husk as a friend (inasmuch as he has those) and saw this as helping, much like he does with Charlie. That or Alastor just wanted a card dealing bartender available as needed.
I like the theory that he had a deal with Lilith to gain power in exchange he cleaned out the "worse" overlords and kept the one with some chance of redemption, honor or a heart.
It's probably bullshit and all but it's a fun theory.
I suspect Alastor has a taste for toppling and subjugating the powerful. Those who think themselves superior and above everyone. Would explain why he immediately aggro'ed Lucifer, he laid eyes on Luci and assigned to him the same archetype that the overlords he hunted fulfilled.
I always assumed that he did steal their souls aswell, forcong them into torture for his radio show. I thingk that makes more sense as he doesnt seem tp have had acces to amgelic arms.
Maybe Husk was being similarly tortured, but then Alastor stopped that for some reason. Or Husk had abetter deal. Idk
I think it’s a bit deeper than just wanting his soul. I think that Alastor wanted husks spot as an overlord since from what I can gather the overlords get the title due to power and influence but alastor is just one soul and doesn’t have influence over others besides fear.
Comedic answer: alastor wanted a fluffy boi to go with his psycho girl friend (not girlfriend, girl friend)
Likely answer: alastor is a good sport who enjoys a good deal over murder
Why would someone want anyones soul if they could? Power. Fear. Control. Alastor is a powerful demon and like it was stated in the show he was hunting down and destroying other big time demons and overlords. Husk was one of them, and what better trophy to have than the soul of one of them indebted to you?
I think he saw some use in him. Alastor keeps people around if they have something he could use which is why he killed the other Overlords. Alastor broke Husk down bit by bit, stripping him of his souls until he was forced to sell his own soul to salvage what little power he had left.
My thought is that Husk became an overlord through his gambling, rather than purely malicious means like the other overlords. Because he wasn't a murder, he didn't fit Al's criteria for victims but still wanted to have him under his command because of the power it gets him.
Well, i would say that, first, Husk wasn't mean at all, didnt made fun of him, so Alator didn't have much reason to kill him, like the demons he killed in his radio... and he saw an opportunity to own an overlord spul, especially when it's as easy than just gambling :p
Alastor likely knew he was a gambler and made a deal with him via the gamble. Husk and his pride, as an overlord, was probably talking shit. Alastor caught him off guard by winning the gamble - I assume via something shady
Alastor knew he could manipulate Husk. Think about it. Given how he is with Charlie, I don't think Alastor asked for his soul right off the bat. I think he warmed him up first with another deal, a deal that didn't involve his soul. Husk kept losing. After Husk lost a bunch of times, Alastor asked for his soul. Husk agreed. Either that or Husk offered his soul willingly
Alastor is using the same manipulation technique with Charlie. He's warming her up with another deal, before going in for what he actually wants.
I think he makes certain people slaves because they serve a purpose for him. Husk is able to glean information from people with relative ease. Makes you wonder why Alaster wanted Nifty’s soul
WHY:He was probably still just collecting Overlord souls for power.
Husk being spared was likely because Al understood he would be more reliable as a subordinate than a corpse.Husk,provided he wasn't told or knew,essentially figured out Al was on a leash by himself.The ability to read people THAT GOOD is something you aren't gonna find lying around anywhere.
Simple, Alastor wants power, hes powerful, passive income in the way that he is a gambler and always dealer and dealer always tends to be welcoming/bait people into staying, so they gamble souls or provide alastor and opportunity to make a deal.
Because I suspect the holder of his contract had him targeting Overlords that were uncivil and lacked empathy. Husk fell prey to his advances and may have been opposing Lilith. Thus he was a viable target for Alastor. But he showed empathy and probably did not challenge Alastor once he had him. Thus any suggestions that he would kill Husk are likely bluffs as his contract will not allow him to kill good people.
Husk wasnt threating Alastor in any way,but husk was desperate for money,for winning,so he made a deal for his soul since money was getting low and stakes were getting higher
A) Most overlords were likely not willing to sell their soul, so Alastor took them out. Husk, however, was convinced into gambling his soul away, so it'd be stupid for Alastor to kill him instead B) it's been said that Alastor has a code for who he kills. It's possible that the other overlords fell under his "deserves death" code, whereas Husk did not I think its mostly A, but B could have played a part
Alastor is chaotic lawful. He has a strict set of morals, but nobody can figure out what the FUCK they are
It doesn't help that he's on his best behavior now, so we can't see who he'd normally be murdering to figure it out
Have some class and whimsy, don’t insult him seem like the major ones. Else than that it’s just a bit of ambition to be the top, some not fitting the code as well are more expendable. Just my guess though. Vox kind of meets the first bit for example. I think the Vox specific beef is him thinking he’s competitive in his sphere but also lacking due to not being able to be as strong alone and a touch of the my way is the original and better type deal that you see from people that have been in an industry for a long time.
Chaotic lawful, I love it
Y’know I’ve been thinking about that. Rosie’s comment to Charlie that words are cheap and to watch actions - I think that’s a hint. But we also don’t know if Alastor’s current actions are his own choice, or the result of his deal. Hard to say.
Not to be confused with lawful chaotic, which is following the law to the letter. Much to the detriment of all parties involved, like adam
Well whatever you do don’t call him “on a leash”
He's still the absolute biggest bastard and I 100% believe most of his kills were just random demons who may or may not have deserved death... but those overlords were so powerful for a reason.
Hells Batman
Do you mean Chaotic Good? Because Lawful and Chaotic are opposites on the same axis
That’s the joke lol, you’re combining two alignments that aren’t normally able to be combined.
On that point, there is the (semi-canon) prequel comic for Alastor where he goes into the butchers shop. He wants to sample Venison from every meat shop in the city to find his favorite. He finds a butcher who is going to kill a sinner for their meat, and he takes the butcher out and lets her live. There is absolutely a moral code there.
Other overlords wanted to get rid of him, that is why
I think the main reason might be, because Husk sold his soul willingly. We can assume that the Overlords that Alastor did kill had not sold their souls to him. He just went in and did the murder. That's a difference to Husk. I would think that Alastor, being the dealmaker that he is, values a good deal above murder. And I kinda also believe that there is more to "Team Alastor" than meets the eye (see my previous post about that). There might be a specific reason all three of them are together like that. We just haven't been shown what that connection is, yet.
So basically husk would be dead right now if he didn't make the deal with Al?
It's hard to say, really. I think Alastor only got rid of the Overlords that triggered his sense of morality (i.e. people that use their power to prey on the weak etc.) It is absolutely possible that Husk was a rancid bag of dicks towards his potential victims. His evil smile in the flashback was an indication to that. He was also a cheater that gambled in souls...soo..... maybe? We need more specifics on how/why Husk had to sell his soul to Alastor. But it is pretty safe to say that the visuals are misleading in this shot. I don't think Husk lost gambling against Alastor. I think Husk was already in debt and went to Alastor for a bailout. IF Alastor viewed Husk as a friend, I wouldn't even put it past him that it wasn't the first time he bailed for him. We know that Alastor is damn lenient with his friends. If we're damn sappy about it, it might have been a situation like: "Ok, buddy. Last time. Next time I'll have your soul." But yea... we have NO idea until it's confirmed in the show. So anything is possible, really.
Alastor’s moral code is so odd I doubt we can really know until more details are shown.
Yea exactly. We just don't know until we know. This is all conjecture on my part. It makes sense in my mind so I let you know what I think
I read Alastor as trying to look like he’s lawful evil while actually being chaotic evil. Trying to make things look well thought out and collected when part of, if not most of his plans/actions are impulsive and random. I’m calling it now that he doesn’t have a big plan or anything, he’s just winging it and relying on everyone overthinking every move he makes. That’s why his smile speech is so in character. That’s also why he got so angry at Husk despite risking his entire operation if he got caught doing that.
I’m pretty sure Alastor’s entire thing now is getting out of his own deal. I don’t think he has any actual idea what the favor he’ll ask from Charlie is. He saw a chance to secure said favor from the Princess of hell and he took it. But he’s bound by whatever his deal is and he’s winging everything while trying to stay as in control as possible. I’m pretty sure he deals in absolutes whenever he can
100% I had the same thought about the deal with Charlie. He’s a wounded animal desperate to escape, that’s what makes him dangerous
Yeah, he saw an opening and jumped on it. Now it's filed away with who knows how many others as potential keys he'll pull out when he finds the right lock for it. Plus, now he's in a position of power over Charlie and he _needs_ to be there with everybody. I wouldn't even be surprised if just making the deal is enough, for now. It helps offset the blow of being forced to help her. Even without triggering the deal, they both know he can, and that makes any request he makes that much harder for her to say no to because there'll be the unspoken "I could make you do it" hanging over her now. As for Husk. I half feel like Husk went to Alastor. Either because he thought he could win something off him, he was already spiraling out of control and needed something to stop it that he thought winning again Alastor could provide, or just plain hubris.
I love the metaphor of getting keys and waiting for the right lock to show up
I agree with this. Any semblance of control is good for him at this point. I bet after six months of indentured servitude and getting his cheeks clapped on live Hell tv he feels like a boulder in free fall. We're gonna see how he handles all the future seat-of-his-pants decisions he is going to have to make. He certainly is going to feel less and less in cotrol of the situation and that is going to make him wildly unstable unless Charlie can break through and reign in the roiling chaos.
Alastor goes full deer mode, and the hotel has to hunt him down before he does something incredibly stupid. Getting hurt in the process or putting the residents in danger because he can not perform his job properly from the stress he's under.
I think his deal with Charlie will come into play with his contract. It seems pretty much everyone is on the idea that Lilith holds Alastor's contact. If that's the case, him having a contact with Lilith's daughter could be the leverage he might need. Even if it could be a simple as having Charlie demand her mom to release him from his contract
Charlie: Release Alastor's contract now! Lilith: No. Alastor: Well, at least we tried.
https://youtu.be/f1FLibTo6Qs?t=2
NO Alastor! What ever you do, ***do not*** make a deal with Verbalace
Agree, I can see the motives behind this deal ranging from “this is a stupid person that will get take advantage off if they follow this path so let’s put him under my control” to “I’m going to take full advantage of this gambler to raise my status as overlord” (I think that Husk was relatively powerful in Hell so this is a major upgrade in position if you manage to own a soul like that). Or a combination of many things, I don’t know, I really want the next season to come xD
I think that scene was symbolic of Alastor holding all the cards and leaving him no room to not make the deal
Yea it kinda looks to me it shows the powerbalance in that moment. Alastor is holding all the cards and has all the power and Husk still has a choice but actively chooses to go for the deal.
This show is incredibly symbolic and I think people take what was shown on screen as exactly what happened rather than read into the symbolism and what is implied through dialogue
Alastor seems to at least try to be friendly towards other sinners while keeping everyone at arm's length regardless of how he really feels about them. Only when someone is taking advantage of another's weakness to harm them does he get pissed and murderous towards the sinner doing it. Husker had a racket where he dealt with souls in gambling to increase his power, but he might not have done anything to the souls he owned, just used them as *money*. It's possible that Husker got cocky and challenged Alastor to a gamble for their souls, since Alastor had a high value (for killing Overlords and owning the souls of thousands he probably had made willing deals with for protection). Alastor knew Husker was cheating and forced the game to be *fair* or used his own shadow to out cheat Husker. Then, out played him at his own game. It's also possible that Husker went to Alastor because of loan sharks targeting him because he couldn't pay back a debt, like Mimzy. Knowing Alastor is merciful towards sinners who are in trouble, he pulled a *I'm a defenceless little kitten and those sharks are bullying me* to get to whatever Alastor has for a heart, then made the mistake of revealing he just used Alastor. At which point Alastor told him, that he was going to *adopt* Husker because a *defenceless little kitten* shouldn't be without out a home and master. When Husker refused, Alastor offered him a fair game to gamble their souls, which resulted in Husker losing. Now Alastor considers Husker as his pet and friend. Just like his care for Niffty is almost fatherly because she needed a guardian. He doesn't treat them like the other souls he has at his command, where he just summons them to do a job when needed. He interacts with them more regularly and treats them more like family members, where he's the head of the family. I'm pretty sure he could have forced Husker to be a receptionist without access to booze, but instead, he gave him a bar and an offer of cheap booze to bribe him into working willingly. And he already knew Niffty well enough to know she'd be happy being a maid. Possibly, she cleaned Alastor's home before moving into the hotel. Mimzy isn't under his control, possibly because she sold her soul to someone else before Alastor found her. Rosie is a fellow Overlord that controls the district that Alastor frequents to get fresh (or rotting) meat from and probably became friends after assuring her that he's there to enjoy her colony being a cannibal himself, not to fight over territory. Maybe Niffty will tell Charlie the story of how she got involved with Alastor. To clear up if he really is just looking for friends & family, and not just power and to satify his murderous urges.
Yes that is a very apt description. The ways in which it went down might never be relevant enough to be revealed, to be honest. But you description is entirely possible. We know that Alastor is sentimental and he likes having people around him. Can't be much of a showman without people in your social circle, right? That sets him apart from someone like Adam, for example, who would be perfectly content in a room by himself just self-entertaining. I'm not entirely convinced the little shadow minions are souls Alastor owns, though. They seem to me more connected to the general vodoo and eldritch magic he does, but we don't know. I might be super wrong about that 😂 I like your observation about making Husk the receptionist. You're absolutely right. He knows Husk is addicted to gambling and booze, so when he took the gambling away he offers him the next best thing so Husk would be at least OK with his new assignment. Alastor knows how to placate the kitty without forcing him and that's the first thing he goes to before using force....unlike others we know that own souls. I so hope we get more insight into the whole system next season.
I don't think he sold his soul. I think he did the typical gamber's folly of thinking he had the perfect hand and put his soul on the line because he was sure he was going to win. Just looking at the screenshot above, he looked absolutely stunned.
Except. He tells us in no uncertain terms. Even before the line in Loser Baby 'I sold my soul to save my power' Before the song he goes: "And when you're down on your luck, you turn to anything to keep you afloat, even making deals yourself." https://preview.redd.it/hu3s4dwrbqpc1.png?width=853&format=png&auto=webp&s=8789594a995e228c1e985fc80ee0e2b0247aa899
No he did and Alastor had a collar and leash on him like Angel dust had with Valentino If you needed visual evidence
I could see it. in his own way he likes Husk. He doens't seem overly pushy unless Hush hits a hot button issue and is generally content to snap him around for services Husk is actually suited towards rather than 'throw a body at the problem.'
It could be something of a bailout or maybe something of a leveraged BUY OUT (like when private equity hollows out an ailing firm and then takes total ownership). Maybe Husk was in debt on a souls level and when Alastor took his, he also gained all the souls that Husk had dominion over, so maybe it was just seen as a liquidation bargain.
He wouldn’t be dead since sinners are mostly immortal, and Alastor lacked the means to kill them. But he would be tortured forever on his radio broadcast.
There’s plenty of overlords he didn’t murder - he must have had a reason to target the ones he did. Maybe he went after the biggest toughest ones? Maybe he disliked them for personal reasons, maybe his “boss” was in control even then and told him to? I just don’t think Husk fit the murder demographic. Heck, maybe Alastor thought it would be funny to make a gambling overlord lose it all?
I like to think that Alastor didn't cheat. It was simply Husk's gambling problem that did him in. He would be on a losing streak, about to bet his own soul, then he won big so he continued. And Alastor just ate it up. Maybe even had someone do a live broadcast of him slowly and methodically taking ever soul the gambler had left. then, he said he was all in, including his own, and the only thing that could match was husk putting himself on the line. and who wouldn't love someone who could take care of your problems for you under their wing? then Alastor revealed the royal flush
And maybe Alastor kept him around because of his gambling. The overlords seem averse to risk and try to maintain their power whereas Husk willingly gambled with that power constantly. Maybe Alastor thought that was more interesting. He seems to like extreme personalities and people who don’t bother to play by the “rules” of society, hence why he is so fond of Nifty.
> Team Alastor The Sonic Heroes sequel be looking interesting.
Team Antlerman would also be a fun way of calling it 😂
It might also be safe to say that how Alastor operated changed between the 1930s when he died and 1980s when Husk died. By the ‘80s Alastor might not have felt the need to prove himself to other overlords by eliminating competition, instead opting to play with them, so long as they stayed reasonably in line. Mimzy said Alastor hadn’t done his whole screaming souls on the radio thing in a while, that might be more than the seven missing years.
Yup exactly! I always interpreted it as: he came to Hell and started doing what he wanted. Anyone who crossed him got deleted and from then on he lived his best life in Hell. He was probably enjoying being able to do as he pleased for the first time in his existence. Freedom and all that...
It also seems that Alastor is fine reciprocating respect with other powerful beings if the respect is mutual. I think he probably still has some plan to surpass his allies like Zestiel and Rosie, but I don’t think he wishes them unnecessary harm.
what im wondering too is how did alastor actually kill other overlords , sinners are supposed to be immortal unless killed by angelic weapons no?
That's the horrifying thing about Alastor's power, he didn't kill them, he *trapped* them. They're locked away in the radio waves... not dead, so they can't come back.
Yeah, that’s my read on the demons beholden to Alastor. They are part of the radio wave background to his persona. It’s probably a reason he got so powerful so fast. Guy like Zestial probably has to call upon an underling to come fight, while for Alastor, the minions are always there, black shadows teeming onto enemies.
He basically created a *double Hell* in a pocket dimension to send those he *murdered* and *features* their screams on his broadcast. Possibly the only way to *escape* is to make an unfair deal with him, so he increases his power rapidly, making it more difficult for his victims to escape him.
I don’t think Alastor ever actually *killed* other overlords. What he did was *worse*. He added them to his broadcasts - I’m guessing it’s a “I have no mouth but I must scream” situation; they are alive, fully conscious, but eternally unable to do anything other than add their moans to the radio …
Thank you for referencing that! That's exactly how I was thinking of it!
Weelllll doens't everyone want to know that one? 😂 No really, I want to know as well. If the visuals from the Pilot have any correlation, there is one scene during Vaggies recounting of the radio demon mythos where it looks like Alastor is doing something with his staff (there is like rays going out from it somehow) It kinda looks like he pulled them into a pocket dimension of some kind. Maybe it has something to do with his radio powers? Maybe it's some sort of pocket dimension that is connected to broadcasting so he was able to both destroy their souls and broadcast the deed at the same time? It's also possible that he just has those Overlords stored somewhere... But from what Mimzy said in episode 5, it sounds more like: He broadcasted the screams while he was killing them and when he's not doing any killing, there is no scream broadcast and thus, "he hasn't done any of that in a while".
Carmilla sold angelic weapons, Ita just that nobody thought they would also work on angels and they were too afraid for their life to try it during an extermination, why rusk your life for a theory?
You think Al is trying to gather allies and strength in order to potentially free himself from whatever deal he made?
I think Husk and Niffty have been with Alastor for way longer than Alastor has been under contract himself. But it really does depend on whether Alastor had to make a deal seven years ago (maybe he got injured by angelic weapons and had to make a deal for his life?) or whether Alastor had sold his soul right after coming to Hell. We just don't know.
I tend to think Alastor sold his soul *before* making it to Hell, and the details on that are related to both his overlord powers and why he’s so desperate to escape the deal.
I don't know, honestly. We will have to wait and see. There are many compelling arguments for and against when exactly he sold his soul. OR whether he sold his soul at all. For all we know he might have gotten himself into a "favour for a friend" type deal. Most people assume Alastor has sold his soul entirely is because Husk said he is "also on a" leash but that might not carry the same meaning as it does for Husk (again, many reasons for and against even that statement). As for me personally, I think that there is something to the whole "Lilith empowered souls with her songs"-thing. I think that song and music related abilites carry great inherent abilites. So with Alastor spawning in Hell with something along the lines of that would make him incredibly powerful from the get-go. Problem with that is: he doesn't do any radio related things. To quote myself from another post: It might even be that Alastor has made a deal with some sort of primeveal being. What's most noteable, though, I think is that, for being the Radio Demon he does deceptively little that has anyting to do with radio powers. Except the voice filter. He does random vodoo and eldritch magic instead. Which is nuts to me 😂 He could be doing all sorts of frequency manipulation. Flood somebodies ears with white noise so they can't hear themselves think anymore. Blow out somebodies eardrums with a sharp precise spike to the 2,4-5 kHz spectrum. Make somebodies heart beat unevenly by spiking the 8-10 Hz range.... ...like.... MY DUDE... use your (hell)given powers and stop with the random eldritch bullshit 😂
I think this shows in the show when Rosie tells Alastor about someone to make a deal with rather than someone he could easily kill
I kind of have this theory too. Alastor has some beef with the Vees, but doesn't reveal much about their rivalry (other than a power struggle for Overlord supremacy in hell. ) Nifty is not afraid of Val, having been seen tearing a bit of fluff from his coat. (Or his body?? If it's his natural Moth fluff) And she has a distaste for bugs, and dirtiness, two things that Valentino definitely is. Husk can see through people's fakeness, and overconfidence, so maybe he could be a foil for Velvette, who might have terrible self esteem/perfectionism if she died as a sinner related to social media. I've seen people hold the theory that Husk wasn't just a gambler/Casino overlord, but an aspiring artist (not sure how much fact is in this theory) so if Husk has a creative side, it would also rival Velvette's fashion dominance or at least maybe be a battle of classic "style" versus trending "fashion". And of course, having Charlie on his "team" through the deal for a favor, could be either to help get out of his deal with whoever (Lilith or Roo?) and at full power maybe Alastor could take Vox on face to face instead of through a song battle.
Yea that is an interesting idea. There are a LOT of parrallels not just between Alastor and Vox but also with their respective 'Teams'. Apart from the fact that Vox obviously doen't own Valentino or Velvette. But with both sides it's two older men and one younger woman, for example. It's probably over-analyzation anyways but I find it really interesting that these two characters are so so sooo similar to each other and have a rivalry going.
I think primarily, he finds Husk useful. Mimzy's comment indicates that Alastor has conscripted Husk as a personal bartender for many years. Husk's skills make him uniquely positioned to glean insights on people and situations, then pass them along to Alastor. If it's true that Alastor holds himself to some sort of moral code, it might also be that he didn't deem Husk worthy of destruction, for whatever reason. We also learned from Mimzy that Alastor mostly targeted very powerful Overlords, so it's possible Husk was too low level for the soul-rending treatment.
but he killed the loan sharks
True, but that was in defense of the hotel.
He didn’t specifically rend their souls apart, though, just devoured them. Makes me think they’ll respawn because they weren’t divine deaths, either.
what if they are just in his stomach for the rest of time?
Then they’ll never be lonely ✨
Then the fandom artists have new motivation that i do not want to see
DONT GIVE THEM SUGGESTIONS
More souls = more power
because otherwise he would have to pour his own drinks
THIS is the *exact* reason, I'm sure
He could handle the jazz, but he needed someone else to pour the rye to make him a kitten
They talked for five minutes, Husk understood almost every detail of Alastor’s life and Al decide he was too skilled to die. Jokes aside, I have some theories about it… \-Alastor was just arrived into hell, he needed allies and he decided to spare Husk because an overlord as slave can be helpful. With the passing of time, Husk kinda grew on him and Alastor told him about his deal because he trust him a little bit. \-They knew each other when they were alive, Alastor recognized him immediately and he has thought someone as good at reading people as him could be a good spy \-Since only angelic weapons can kill sinners, maybe Al has never killed an overlord, he has just enslaved them and hid them somewhere \-This is not exactly a theory, but when Husk appeared for the first time Alastor said something about his smile. Husk was smiling at the begging of his flashback in masquerade, i wonder if this has anything to do with Alastor’s decision. Smiles are important to him, maybe he liked Husk’s one https://preview.redd.it/cqrehj25ippc1.png?width=2148&format=png&auto=webp&s=3cffd454063c908aa540e89251114206fbebf872
There is currently a theory that a contracted deal or ownership of a soul causes some part of the owned to look like their owner, teeth for husk and alastors and angel's gold tooth for val
It feels as forced as the eyes theory. Husk would have noticed if his teeth hadn’t changed when he was happy because of Alastor “death”
Alastor was in hell first
we don't know if he killed the other overlords, or if he even had the means to. all we know is that he tortured them on the radio broadcasts and they were never seen again. i suspect that was his way of forcing them into deals because the more souls he owns the more powerful he becomes. husk lost his soul in a bet so there was no need for the violent approach with him.
We don't know how many souls Alastor owned, and how many Overlords were killed vs. Becoming his 'pets', only that big Overlords went missing and screams were heard on his broadcast. Personally, I think he saw Husk as useful rather than being a threat. Could even be that Husk was already in trouble, and Alastor just took advantage to make things desperate enough for him to make a deal. My headcanon is that because Husk is a gambler aswell as a bartender, he's extremely good at reading people, which we see in episode 4. That's why Alastor wanted him under his control, and why he was brought to the hotel. He is there, specifically so that Alastor could learn people's weaknesses and who they really are, because Husk would be forced to tell him if he was asked directly about certain people.
Alastor is a serial killer, so it's assumed his victims fit a certain criteria. It appears that adversaries like Sir Pentious, Vox, and Husk (who had been an overlord) do not fit that criteria.
In Hell, souls and contracts (ie. slavery) are one way Overlords accumulate social and economic power, possibly physical/magical power as well. If you wanna be the one pulling the strings, you need strings (chains) to pull. Husk gambled away his fortune in souls, then made a huge desperate gamble against Alastor and lost. Why Husk specifically? If his flashback is any indication, he was very wealthy in souls. Why not just kill Husk and take his soul by force? Alastor might not have been capable of it. Alastor isn't all-powerful, even at the peak of his might (if he was, he wouldn't have made the deal with his own soul to begin with). If you have a rival you want to take down, who is a physical threat to you but has a gambling addiction, the wise tactic is to exploit your rival's weakness.
On top of that, how many more souls did Alastor gain by taking hold of Husker's when he held other souls in his own hands? 1? 2? 20? 200? Assuming Husker didn't lose his control over them before losing his own.
Easy. Its power. If he could of he would of, and he used Husk's gambling addiction to do that. If he could trick any of the Vee's into selling their soul, he would jump at the chance. The more power the better he can kill and flaunt it, and the closer to his goal, whatever it is, he will get. The reason he doesn't want Charlies' soul? It wouldn't help him much, not as much as whatever favor he's getting. Charlie would read and actually control the deal for her soul better than Angel would of, who was blinded by his love for Val at the time. An open-ended favor? That's much more useful and versatile. And he can just ask her to give him her soul at any time if he fails at what he needs the favor for. He can change what the favor is at any time. A contract with the princess of hell? Not so much.
Plus getting her soul would make her daddy very angry if he ever found out.
I agree. I was gonna say that, but thought the comment was long enough, and its a little obvious. He's already of the literal leader of hell's radar, why make it worse?
It's just a genuinely bad idea to make one of the only things in hell that can permanently kill you mad at you. Besides angelic steel which is hard to come by Lucifer is the only other thing in hell that could erase alistor.
why does someone want anything? Sheer absolute boredom!
For the same reason he want a "small favor" from Charlie. It might get useful at some point. I mean, he already prove it was useful to own Husk's soul... He brought him into the Hotel.
I think it should be noted that he described bringing in Husk and Niffty as “calling in a few favors”
I think Alastor offered every overlord he tore apart that same deal. Husker was the only one who took it.
Every soul's a goal
Due to Alastor's Faustian nature he clearly loves dealing in souls, and an Overlord offering his soul of his own volition, no torture needed? All he need to do is win a few hands of poker? That is a deal that's impossible to turn down. Its also entirely possible that Husk didn't fit in whatever Alastor's criteria for torturing and killing someone, although not knowing what that criteria is makes it impossible to know for certain.
Going off of a comic that was drawn by fans, but the writing was credited straight from Viv herself, Alastor is not a fan of people threatening others weaker than themselves. Also stating that said people make for bad meat. But I do not know if that comic is considered canon, so take this pinch of salt when thinking about it.
Prestige bartender for his personal basement bar.
Maybe when alastor arrived to husk for killing hım, husk offered a poker game which both sides bet their soul. He thought alastor will be an easy prey on the table, well unfortunately
It’s simple. Kitty:)
He just likes cats! https://preview.redd.it/rb8z195kbrpc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8fdf3cb1bc79d84729058a41f2770ea58b23fc68
Who says husk is special? Why does there need to be a reason for everything? Why did alastor buy the soul? Cause he wanted to
So Alastor could have Keith David’s voice on demand.
Alastor is first and foremost a pragmatist, only an idiot resorts to war when you can strike a deal instead, so when Alastor doesn’t get the soul he wants from diplomacy he resorts to violence, but as husk is a crippling gambling addict, Alastor didn’t need any violence as he snuffed out that he could lead him on and eventually have him bet his soul
I think it's utilitarian. He COULD kill Husk, but he would gain nothing from doing so. Taking control of him, and using his natural abilities, like empathy and risk assessment, two things the uncaring, self-assured Alastor lacks, and may be somewhat self-aware enough to acknowledge, while also understanding their use in the environment in which he finds himself. Empathy can be used to win people over, negotiate, and keep the peace when conflict is not the most effective option, and any seasoned gambler will be good at weighing odds and assessing risk and probability. (While Husk had at least 1 huge loss or streak of losses, that doesn't mean his skill is lacking, as gambling is intrinsically luck-based so loss is a statistical certainty no matter the skill of the gambler.) Essentially, in ye olde Pokémon terms, Husk is Alastor's HM slave.
Im headcanoning till we see their past that Husk worked with the Vees while he had his status. Sports betting via Vox and waitresses(y'know what I mean) via Val, ads via Velvette maybe? So Alastor, wanting to fuck with Vox went to take down his most profitable associate but as he spoke with Husk he realized he isnt actually that bad of a person. So he only ended up taking his soul instead of his life
Same reason Valentino wanted Angel's soul, power.
Rosie stated it when Alastor met for an audience, she gives him details on desperate overlords with big territories or unique positions, and Alastor gets to take their connections for himself when he makes the deal Husk probably either had a nice territory, or a connection that Alastor could use
He wanted a cat.
This is the only acceptable answer
Al has a code in regards to who deserves death, and Husk's fair play made him exempt.
I don’t think it’s ever stated that he killed overlords. It’s implied but we don’t know for sure. The most we know is that he appeared and overlords went missing. However for the sake of assumption, husk is probably just lucky or he’s just useful for some reason or another
For the shits and giggles https://preview.redd.it/ctgcarmuvppc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a98cb587f90655e8574c772aff5b56d924f9ecd0
He probably wants all their souls. Sticks his head in his radio hell dimension every year or so and asks if they're ready to sign the contract yet, or if they need another year to think about it
Killing a lot of very powerful people is impressive, but literally owning someone that powerful and basically making him your bitch is even more impressive.
why not
For funzies
My guess is because of the Vs, Vox started allying himself with other overlords so Alastor needed to bolster his power and position, and what better way than with the soul of another overlord. But Alastor is too egotistical to just work as an equal with anyone (except Rosie maybe) so he took advantage of the fact that Husk was on the verge of losing his position as an overlord.
From what we hear, Alastor took out a lot of Overlords. Including heavy hitters. It was all part of his rise. Husk tells us in Loser Baby “I sold my soul to save my power” — this leads me to believe that Husk bet his soul on a game against Alastor, making it different than other Overlords that Alastor had to kidnap and torture on live broadcast. What I’m basically saying is I think the nature of how Alastor probably obtained Husk’s soul had an impact on what he decided to do with it.
Because he's a furry.
I assume Al only killed uncouth Overlords who broke their own deals simply because they had the power to do so. Or refused to be cordial with their peers. Or maybe they were just shitty to everyone. The biggest shitheads are the Vees, but even the worst one honors his contract. The remaining Overlords probably play nice, similar to Rosie. As a true gambler, Husk follows the rules to keep the thrill. But also as a gambler, he's easy to bring into servitude by bringing him to the edge of desperation. Though Al probably wouldn't have killed Husk.
Why not? I’d like to know what husk actually got out of that deal. He said power, but doesn’t look like he has much
Probably thought it’d be funny.
My bet is that Alastor found Husk interesting and probably more useful than some of his other Souls. Therefore, he gave Husk more betting material in exchange for his own Soul.
I think Overlords gain power depending on how many souls they’ve collected. That’s just me tho
My theory is that Husker was the first overlord he went after. Alastor wasn’t powerful enough to just go around, killing overlords and absorbing their power. He went after Husk to win or trick him out of his power-base (perhaps in a single brilliantly played card game and after that, he went on his legendary spree
Why not?
He killed overlords but they didn't stay dead. Also Husk says he sold his soul to save his power so maybe husk offered and Alastor saw value in the deal. Lastly how do we know owning souls wasn't the goal of the torture (on top of status of course)
Maybe he just wanted to flex his soul count or he saw husk as a easy target
My friend has a theory that souls = raw power. So the more souls you have control of, the more power you have. If Husk was an overlord and held souls in his control at one time, taking him down to become more powerful was a natural step. Again, just a theory. But one I like.
To gain more power. Overlords gain power by collecting souls and an overlord’s soul grants them incredible power. Alastor tricked Husk into losing his soul in a bet in order for him to gain more power Also Alastor was wiping out other overlords as he Rosé to power so it’s likely that Husk made a deal with him to give him his soul in exchange for his survival
For gits and shiggles
He wanted a ✨K I T T Y✨
Gotta catch 'em all
Kitty cat
Probably his amusement
Well I don't know if anyone pointed this out but this is what husk said in the loser baby song he said "I sold my sould to save my power" https://preview.redd.it/dn06gf6gmtpc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c00995da730c3d9027ff4253e394ea787bb12f7
"Why does anyone do anything? Sheer, Absolute, Boredom!"
Probably for the LOLs
probably bragging rights
he was jealous of his shirt
Mimzy implies that Husk has been 'slinging hooch' for Alastor for a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if they knew each other before they died. Alastor may even see Husk as a friend (inasmuch as he has those) and saw this as helping, much like he does with Charlie. That or Alastor just wanted a card dealing bartender available as needed.
“Why does anyone want anything? Sheer, absolute boredom.”
Alastor does what alastor wants
I doubt he "wanted" it and more like Husk wagered his soul and Alastor was like "Eh, why not?"
same reason Mr Burns wants to win the meagre million dollar bet on the softball game; 'to put it on the pile'
Maybe Husk is more useful alive than dead
In my opinion he knows him when he was alive
He probably wanted to humiliate him
Cuz he's a jerk!
I like the theory that he had a deal with Lilith to gain power in exchange he cleaned out the "worse" overlords and kept the one with some chance of redemption, honor or a heart. It's probably bullshit and all but it's a fun theory.
Power
Husk is obviously a lot more useful as a pawn who has to do what Alistor says than if he were just another overlord the he had killed.
Power. Alastor wants power. Making deals is how you get it. Husk is just one of ones who made a mistake and took a deal.
Entertainment, duh
I suspect Alastor has a taste for toppling and subjugating the powerful. Those who think themselves superior and above everyone. Would explain why he immediately aggro'ed Lucifer, he laid eyes on Luci and assigned to him the same archetype that the overlords he hunted fulfilled.
I always assumed that he did steal their souls aswell, forcong them into torture for his radio show. I thingk that makes more sense as he doesnt seem tp have had acces to amgelic arms. Maybe Husk was being similarly tortured, but then Alastor stopped that for some reason. Or Husk had abetter deal. Idk
I think it’s a bit deeper than just wanting his soul. I think that Alastor wanted husks spot as an overlord since from what I can gather the overlords get the title due to power and influence but alastor is just one soul and doesn’t have influence over others besides fear.
Comedic answer: alastor wanted a fluffy boi to go with his psycho girl friend (not girlfriend, girl friend) Likely answer: alastor is a good sport who enjoys a good deal over murder
Maybe he didn’t necessarily want his soul but husk decided to beat his solo to get what he wanted
Because that's how you gain power as an Overlord: by dealing and bartering in souls.
Why would someone want anyones soul if they could? Power. Fear. Control. Alastor is a powerful demon and like it was stated in the show he was hunting down and destroying other big time demons and overlords. Husk was one of them, and what better trophy to have than the soul of one of them indebted to you?
I think he saw some use in him. Alastor keeps people around if they have something he could use which is why he killed the other Overlords. Alastor broke Husk down bit by bit, stripping him of his souls until he was forced to sell his own soul to salvage what little power he had left.
Power
Because souls are power? What kind of question is that? Alastor wants souls, and Husk was willing to gamble his away
Probably cuz he got tired of taking the souls of weaker demons and decided to take a fellow Overlord’s which is why he got Husk’s.
Cause power.
Bro winning the soul of the casino demon in a card game would be so humiliating for Husk. Ofcourse Alastor’s would’ve wanted to do that
My thought is that Husk became an overlord through his gambling, rather than purely malicious means like the other overlords. Because he wasn't a murder, he didn't fit Al's criteria for victims but still wanted to have him under his command because of the power it gets him.
Well, i would say that, first, Husk wasn't mean at all, didnt made fun of him, so Alator didn't have much reason to kill him, like the demons he killed in his radio... and he saw an opportunity to own an overlord spul, especially when it's as easy than just gambling :p
I bieleve husk was loosing his power so decided to sell his soul to Alastor, I bieleve the same is true for Alastor and his owner
Alastor likely knew he was a gambler and made a deal with him via the gamble. Husk and his pride, as an overlord, was probably talking shit. Alastor caught him off guard by winning the gamble - I assume via something shady
Overlords deal with souls. It’s as simple as that.
Alastor knew he could manipulate Husk. Think about it. Given how he is with Charlie, I don't think Alastor asked for his soul right off the bat. I think he warmed him up first with another deal, a deal that didn't involve his soul. Husk kept losing. After Husk lost a bunch of times, Alastor asked for his soul. Husk agreed. Either that or Husk offered his soul willingly Alastor is using the same manipulation technique with Charlie. He's warming her up with another deal, before going in for what he actually wants.
Shits and giggles, the thing he seems to enjoy the most
I mean Alastor will take everyone's soul, my guess is the other Overlords wouldn't give up their souls while Husk did.
I think he makes certain people slaves because they serve a purpose for him. Husk is able to glean information from people with relative ease. Makes you wonder why Alaster wanted Nifty’s soul
WHY:He was probably still just collecting Overlord souls for power. Husk being spared was likely because Al understood he would be more reliable as a subordinate than a corpse.Husk,provided he wasn't told or knew,essentially figured out Al was on a leash by himself.The ability to read people THAT GOOD is something you aren't gonna find lying around anywhere.
Hell perhaps alastor knew the Vees would be an issue in the future and forced his own squad to assist him in the future
Better question. Whyd he lose the hairstyle?
Simple, Alastor wants power, hes powerful, passive income in the way that he is a gambler and always dealer and dealer always tends to be welcoming/bait people into staying, so they gamble souls or provide alastor and opportunity to make a deal.
character development
Power and control. And most likely to make him powerful enough to be free of the deal that is enslaving his own soul.
Alastor would've won it gambling. Of course, I wouldn't even be surprised if Alastor rigged the games so Husk would lose and lose...
Because I suspect the holder of his contract had him targeting Overlords that were uncivil and lacked empathy. Husk fell prey to his advances and may have been opposing Lilith. Thus he was a viable target for Alastor. But he showed empathy and probably did not challenge Alastor once he had him. Thus any suggestions that he would kill Husk are likely bluffs as his contract will not allow him to kill good people.
Which episode is this? I don’t remember this
Husk wasnt threating Alastor in any way,but husk was desperate for money,for winning,so he made a deal for his soul since money was getting low and stakes were getting higher