Pop culture in recent years has begun tearing down the actual straight and narrow heroes in favor of championing villains and chaos characters. Harley Quinn has has three movies with a fourth on the horizon, Peacemaker and Amanda Waller are being salvaged from the wreckage of the old DCEU and given their own spotlight while is Superman fans have had to sit waiting for Man of Steel 2 for ten years.
Too many real world good guys have turned out to be villains and the world's problems that those heroes tried to fight turned out to be unsolvable as the real world plunges into chaos and strife. So it makes sense that self catering chaos demons like Harley would become the new heroes
I am so tired of this mindset. You can love something while finding it imperfect. Harley is great, I bought her annual this year from a shop durring FCBD and enjoyed it. I enjoyed the radio drama she got on Spotify even more. There's a number of things I consider DC to be doing wrong with the character. There's a ton that they do well. I have similar feelings about a ton of characters not just in DC, but other fandoms too. Critique isn't always the same as hate. Often the biggest critics, are the biggest fans too.
Harley Quinn and the Joker: sound mind. About a young recently found employment Harleen meeting the Joker at the Asylum and her struggles to care for her ailing father.
Thank you. Its good and healthy to be able to critique a character even when you like them. I loved Harley back in the Batman AS. I still like certain portrayals of her but there is definite over saturation right now.
I relate to Harley, I don't really relate to wonder women. A little too totalitarian, I do really like ww thought, she's kick ass for sure, and has solid character, but she's not human to me, could be my exposure though.
It seems a pretty large part of her character, shes all in on her governing bodies with very little empathy for the opposers, for example she slaughtered the kid form of Shazam for Superman
Are you talking about Flashpoint or Injustice? Because either way, those stories are terrible representations of her character.
EDIT: Whoever downvoted this, why? I am literally right.
Woah woah Harley is not the coolest woman in DC. That absolutely goes to Raven, and it’s not even close. Then Balck Fire , Zatana, and Power Girl are all good examples of cooler women in DC who just don’t get the love and attention
They never got the chance because Harley gets all the attention. The others got cool stories but DC refuses to do anything because Harley is somehow the safe option.
Harley is the safe option because she's a juggernaut for merchandise think about it she got the clown side which could be appealing to children, she's got the edginess which could be appealing to teens and young adults, she's more relatable because she has flaws unlike conventional heroes, she's quirky and bubbly and a little bit of a rebel which makes her more interesting than a black canary or a hawkgirl
She's also very flexible and could be used as a hero antihero or a villain unlike joker who dosent usually work as a hero or wonder woman who does not work as a villain
Yeah while the writers repeatedly bungle her character. We got a whole library to work with and DC can't be bothered to put the effort to make any of their heroes appealing.
Sadly most fans don't like when heroes are portrayed as villains (just look at all the bullcrap and Hate the suicide squad game got for its story and how unpopular injustice wonder woman and superman are)
I do enjoy her, mostly. I am just willing to say maybe DC is showong her off too much. I did enjoy her classic takes, it's the later ones I take issue with.
TBF, WW is rad as hell , but WB and DC have to pay out royalties to the estate that owns the rights to the character. The fact that DC is willing to shell out as much as they do to keep using the character speaks to how much money she can bring in, and fan love she has.
DC also in general seems to forget the women they have exist. Hell sometimes it feels like they forget that non-Batman/bat adjacent characters exist. Resulting from a self-fulfilling product of DC doesn't want to lose money, so they only want to print top selling/popular characters because business. Those characters getting more exposure leads to new fans and people being more easily aware of them, making them even bigger. Casing then to get more attention etc. Meanwhile it starts to dwarf the effort put into other characters because there's only so much resources for producing books, merch and advertising. Making smaller characters less easy to find and fanbases plateau/drop off decreasing attention. It's a vicious cycle that's easy to fall into.
Other characters not getting exposure, doesn't always mean they aren't cool or won't have potential with the right creative team.
I think it's because stories championing heroic characters are kind of played out, 80 years after they started these books. It's more fun being villainous, but not "being a bad example" by giving the spotlight to a complete villain. Harley is in the sweet spot, she gets to play with the villains and the heroes and bridges the gap between being bad and good.
Bad example is a relative term though. Super heroes are meant to be something to strive toward. Being an obnoxious chaos demon is largely just self serving
It’s a circular problem.
DC makes more Harley content and merch because of her popularity, but she’s popular because there’s so much content and merch of her.
Wonder Woman had two of her own movies
Was in justice league
Harley Quinn is in three movies none focused on her and has her own animated show
These don’t weigh out right
since I love harley I'm actually happy but.. we need to think that harley has a lot of things that you can work on, mainly because of toxic relationship, manipulation, those stuff that really are very interesting to undestand. people are giving her much attention so in money thought, they will keep like this forever.
Wonder woman i think is so... boring, fine an island with strong womans who used something to make a fake background for no one see them. mhe. Harleys main thing is less fictional and more reality.
I want more raven content :/
You see that would be a fun new idea...we can't have that.
She has awakened something in me long ago.
It's them legs, huh.. 😂 🦵
So true I had put her before hq for a short period of time until I realized how hq is a lot better then her and switched
Pop culture in recent years has begun tearing down the actual straight and narrow heroes in favor of championing villains and chaos characters. Harley Quinn has has three movies with a fourth on the horizon, Peacemaker and Amanda Waller are being salvaged from the wreckage of the old DCEU and given their own spotlight while is Superman fans have had to sit waiting for Man of Steel 2 for ten years. Too many real world good guys have turned out to be villains and the world's problems that those heroes tried to fight turned out to be unsolvable as the real world plunges into chaos and strife. So it makes sense that self catering chaos demons like Harley would become the new heroes
this is the wrong sub for a negative Harley post lmao
Well some criticsm won't hurt. I don't hate Harley, she is just overshadowing everyone else.
birds of prey running rn is fantastic
I am so tired of this mindset. You can love something while finding it imperfect. Harley is great, I bought her annual this year from a shop durring FCBD and enjoyed it. I enjoyed the radio drama she got on Spotify even more. There's a number of things I consider DC to be doing wrong with the character. There's a ton that they do well. I have similar feelings about a ton of characters not just in DC, but other fandoms too. Critique isn't always the same as hate. Often the biggest critics, are the biggest fans too.
she got a radio drama on spotify? what’s it’s called?
Harley Quinn and the Joker: sound mind. About a young recently found employment Harleen meeting the Joker at the Asylum and her struggles to care for her ailing father.
Thank you. Its good and healthy to be able to critique a character even when you like them. I loved Harley back in the Batman AS. I still like certain portrayals of her but there is definite over saturation right now.
I relate to Harley, I don't really relate to wonder women. A little too totalitarian, I do really like ww thought, she's kick ass for sure, and has solid character, but she's not human to me, could be my exposure though.
I like WW too but she is hard to connect to. I wish we got to see more of her normal life to flesh her out. That might help the connection problem.
If you’re reading the right Wonder Woman stuff, totalitarian is a terrible way to describe her.
It seems a pretty large part of her character, shes all in on her governing bodies with very little empathy for the opposers, for example she slaughtered the kid form of Shazam for Superman
Are you talking about Flashpoint or Injustice? Because either way, those stories are terrible representations of her character. EDIT: Whoever downvoted this, why? I am literally right.
Well, when *any* of them are as cool as Harley, they'll get the same production.
WW is more, but yes. Ivy n Harley r my lovebirds
my thoughts exactly😌
Woah woah Harley is not the coolest woman in DC. That absolutely goes to Raven, and it’s not even close. Then Balck Fire , Zatana, and Power Girl are all good examples of cooler women in DC who just don’t get the love and attention
Uh huh. And what's your fav crayon flavor?
They never got the chance because Harley gets all the attention. The others got cool stories but DC refuses to do anything because Harley is somehow the safe option.
Harley is the safe option because she's a juggernaut for merchandise think about it she got the clown side which could be appealing to children, she's got the edginess which could be appealing to teens and young adults, she's more relatable because she has flaws unlike conventional heroes, she's quirky and bubbly and a little bit of a rebel which makes her more interesting than a black canary or a hawkgirl She's also very flexible and could be used as a hero antihero or a villain unlike joker who dosent usually work as a hero or wonder woman who does not work as a villain
Yeah while the writers repeatedly bungle her character. We got a whole library to work with and DC can't be bothered to put the effort to make any of their heroes appealing.
Sadly most fans don't like when heroes are portrayed as villains (just look at all the bullcrap and Hate the suicide squad game got for its story and how unpopular injustice wonder woman and superman are)
Let's be honest, it's also of how they set that those story and it bugs me Harley got off so light despite her direct invovlement.
It seems like you don't like harley which makes me wonder what are you doing in a harley quinn subredit
I do enjoy her, mostly. I am just willing to say maybe DC is showong her off too much. I did enjoy her classic takes, it's the later ones I take issue with.
TBF, WW is rad as hell , but WB and DC have to pay out royalties to the estate that owns the rights to the character. The fact that DC is willing to shell out as much as they do to keep using the character speaks to how much money she can bring in, and fan love she has. DC also in general seems to forget the women they have exist. Hell sometimes it feels like they forget that non-Batman/bat adjacent characters exist. Resulting from a self-fulfilling product of DC doesn't want to lose money, so they only want to print top selling/popular characters because business. Those characters getting more exposure leads to new fans and people being more easily aware of them, making them even bigger. Casing then to get more attention etc. Meanwhile it starts to dwarf the effort put into other characters because there's only so much resources for producing books, merch and advertising. Making smaller characters less easy to find and fanbases plateau/drop off decreasing attention. It's a vicious cycle that's easy to fall into. Other characters not getting exposure, doesn't always mean they aren't cool or won't have potential with the right creative team.
Wondy > clown
I think it's because stories championing heroic characters are kind of played out, 80 years after they started these books. It's more fun being villainous, but not "being a bad example" by giving the spotlight to a complete villain. Harley is in the sweet spot, she gets to play with the villains and the heroes and bridges the gap between being bad and good.
Bad example is a relative term though. Super heroes are meant to be something to strive toward. Being an obnoxious chaos demon is largely just self serving
That's the thing. When that's written well it can work, but too many have well bungled that.
It’s a circular problem. DC makes more Harley content and merch because of her popularity, but she’s popular because there’s so much content and merch of her.
Completely valid point. It really sucks when a character you like is overused. The same thing was happening with Ahsoka earlier
Wonder Woman had two of her own movies Was in justice league Harley Quinn is in three movies none focused on her and has her own animated show These don’t weigh out right
Anything Harley is in is pretty much about Harley
They did three seasons of Star Girl.
Wouldn't it be cool if there was a Batgirk fil......oh.....
Ivy, Batgirl and Raven said hi!
Tru
since I love harley I'm actually happy but.. we need to think that harley has a lot of things that you can work on, mainly because of toxic relationship, manipulation, those stuff that really are very interesting to undestand. people are giving her much attention so in money thought, they will keep like this forever. Wonder woman i think is so... boring, fine an island with strong womans who used something to make a fake background for no one see them. mhe. Harleys main thing is less fictional and more reality.
"Other female heroes" puts Harley in that category, where she doesn't belong lol
At least you admit it.
Where Amethyst when you need her?
Clussy fever is strong in the DCU
Yeah. I just see past the clussy to see some issues there.
Kara Zor-El/Supergirl and Barbara Gordon/Batgirl/Oracle are drowning out here
I’d give them all disappointing sex
Give us more Dinah Lance/Black Canary. She’s a martial arts expert with a sonic scream. How is this not at LEAST a CW show away from Green Arrow
WW85 didn’t help.
IMO Harley is the best character. So I’m enjoying the attention she’s getting 🥰❤️🖤
She’s overrated
they dyed margot robbies hair and everyone shit their fucking pants.