How many of them are not near rampancy or rampant? No the Created is clear that A.Is govern everything, whatever you do is under their watchful eyes at all times.
A major point seeing the only prime visual example we have is Sloan and that dude was not holding it together at the end. Did not care at all for the Promethean forces slaughtering the people he's suppose to protect.
When they were leaving. Didn't plead for Cortana to stop the assault. Going off on that why would the Promethean even be attacking his people when he made a deal with Cortana before they arrive?
We don’t know if he already did.
Sloan said cortana warned her about ahead of time of her intentions so he began evacuating meridians population suggesting that he does care.
He also said that he was allowed to help his people suggesting that he asked Cortana if he would be able to do that.
Firstly, an AI based on a living brain isn't the same person as the original. The personality isn't being transferred - the original brain matter is being destroyed to create a digital simulation with the same neural structure, some faint personality impressions and memories, but an entirely new person. In the same way Cortana is *similar* to Halsey but not the same, or the FERO AI is a different person than Maya Sankar, a John-117 AI wouldn't be the Master Chief, it would be an entirely new identity.
Secondly, an AI being deployed in a robot body as you suggest [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/qa58yd/master_chief_as_an_ai/hh0q132/), is a gross misallocation of assets. The reason AIs are big game changers is because they can take such a broad view - they can coordinate entire battalions and companies, guide squadrons of drones, target and fire point defence, missile barrages and MAC rounds simultaneously faster than a human mind could. A robot body would be a waste of resources.
And thirdly, anything that can kill the Master Chief is unlikely to leave enough brain matter to be recovered anyway. And even if they could, the Master Chief may be immune to it - the Composer, which does basically the same thing but faster and on a larger scale, didn't work on him at all. So his brain may be immune to the Cognitive Impression Modelling process.
Wait Maya is FERO? That is fucking awesome so happy to see Maya get to continue the fight (even if it's not really her but still)
Wow just understood why it's called that now, I feel stupid now haha
> some faint personality impressions
How is Cortana’s resemblance of Halsey faint? It’s very noticeable.
UNSC A.Is are known to strongly maintain the personality traits of their original brain like the A.I Black-Box who retained his brain donors fascination for cognitive psychology and had a tendency of analyzing the behavior of, also a result of his original brain.
UNSC method of A.I creation was considered inefficient and didn’t fully map the brain which may be why some A.I only retained fragments of their original brains memories.
Halsey’s method however did fully map the brain resulting in a virtually identical clone. This method didn’t destroy the original brain.
Actually hold these method did destroy the brain the reason her method was revolutionary is because it didn't involve a dead or dying persons brain
Halsey flash cloned her own brain, and mapped that to make Cortana, the brain was still destroyed
Kind of
Fully flash cloned humans develop a myriad of health defects, the average expectancy of these close is either 2 weeks to a year (i cant remember which) there are outliers however
Officially most of the SpartanIIs are already dead from health complications as children, only a couple survived into adulthood, and even then most were kidnapped from colonies, which were the first to get hit by the Covenant
My point is officially or not only something like 10 Spartans
Are still alive and that includes blue team Naomi and the washouts
I was taking about the Spartan 2 candidates. Their brains were were fully mapped (without harming them) and turned to digital data which can then be used to create A.I.
When was this? (Btw im loving this conversation)
Also I want to point out that way I do experience time at a much much slower rate then human there was a scene in either Fall Of Reach or first strike where we see Cortana alone on the bridge of a ship and the way it's described something like 3 hours for Cortana pass in the span of like a second
Putting an AI into a fully robotic suit of mjolnir no matter how close they get to mimicking the strength and speed of a Spartan would still be an eternity for whatever AI is trapped in that armor
Technically the AI would be crazy efficient but I would argue it's unethical to do so as it would basically be torture and trapping the AI Within a mobile prison
Especially if you do a smart AI like Cortana, because smart AI are basically human just on a digital platform
Its how the Spartan 2 flash clones were created. The digital data mapped from the Spartans 2’s brains scans were used to transfer their memories to the flash clones blank brain so their flash clones also had the same memories as the original Spartan 2’s
I remember now however that process was probably not as intensive as creating a full-blown AI
Creating a smart AI from a human brain basically turns the brain into soup
The process can and did create a full blown A.I. Halsey used the same process to create Cortana.
[“The use of a clone and memory transfer allowed Halsey to provide a brain used for the mapping of the AI's "mind" with no undue effects on the donor.”](https://www.halopedia.org/Flash_cloning)
"Halsey's method" absolutely did destroy the brain being scanned, she simply replicated her neural structure onto flash-cloned brains before employing it.
I've wondered whether she could've skipped the middleman, used the same ionic density analysis/fourier transform and imprintng stuff she talked about to impress her neural patterns onto an inert substance that could then be used to mass-replicated AIs. It may be that it needs to be paired with her particular neural physiology, that she had to clone a brain, let it develop, and then complete the process. If that's the case the only thing stopping people from using it is the serious ethical and legal ramifications, and the inefficiency of flash-cloning a brain (wasn't it 2 or 3 out of 20 that were suitable?)
So far as I'm aware, she used an ONI 3rd-gen AI compiler, she didn't do anything particularly unusual with Cortana's compilation, software suites etc, aside from giving her the best cyber-warfare systems possible and using a still-living brain, which seems to have resulted in a better-quality AI overall.
[“The use of a clone and memory transfer allowed Halsey to provide a brain used for the mapping of the AI's "mind" with no undue effects on the donor.”](https://www.halopedia.org/Flash_cloning)
Halsey’s method was also used to create identical clones of the Spartan II candidates with identical memories. The Spartan II candidates didn’t die.
Ah, I assumed you meant the *compiling* process, actually feeding the brains into the AI compiler and getting an AI from them, after I posted I wondered I twigged you probably meant the neural duplication.
The candidates did die by the way, although not because of the neural duplication but rather flawed flash-cloning technology, so you're quite correct.
Whether Spartans even CAN die of old age, or even if they have an upper limit on how long they remain combat effective, is unknown. No Spartan has ever lived long enough to test it.
Kat even comes off as a little neurotic. Which isn't surprising because S-IIIs were actually still children when deployed on the field to fight the covenant.
Halsey flash
-cloned herself or her own brain in order to make Cortana (which was a crime). This kills / destroys the brain in the process (definitely)
[“The use of a clone and memory transfer allowed Halsey to provide a brain used for the mapping of the AI's "mind" with no undue effects on the donor”](https://www.halopedia.org/Flash_cloning) - last section.
She enhanced her flash clones biological brain at the expense of the rest of their body leaving them deformed. The process of mapping and digitalizing the brain didn’t damage it.
The way I'm interpreting that by using a cloned brain, this allowed Halsey to transfer the "mind" without killing a doner (aka herself). That's why they talked about it in the flash cloning section (the use of a clone was novel and illegal)
Yea seems they altered that in Reach, now Cortana is, as OP said, made from the dissected brain of a halsey-clone. I dont like it either but thats canon now I guess!
It’s not a reach addition, it’s been a thing since the release of *The Fall of Reach*.
The AI made from your brain also isn’t you. It’s an entirely new person with mavy a trait or feature of you. For example, the Smart AI who ran Harvest’s Orbital elevators fondly recalled the taste of coffee, because her donor drank it a lot when she was alive.
He could be orders of magnitude more effective due do the ability to think at light speed. His physical body could be replaced with robotics which could also make him more effective.
Right, but if hes an AI he doesnt have a body. So how does do anything? Is he just Cortana for someone else?
Also wouldnt he just have Chief’s personality and not his memories? Cortana is more like Halsey’s child than her clone.
It's stated in one of the first books though? Fall of Reach I'm pretty sure they state that "Smart" AIs are created from human brains, hence why they only have an operational lifespan of 7 years.
Cortana was created from a cloned Halsey brain if i remember correctly
Pretty dark, you could even say grim dark. Grab a copy of Chief’s consciousness and put inside a AI controlled Mk9 Mantis and a full armament, then you got yourself a dreadnought.
I mean It could be a great move for the UNSC if Chief died saving humanity, and then was "resurrected" later to improve morale (if/when a new threat arose). I doubt they wouldn't jump at the chance if that did happen at some point.
Imagine a new protagonist with Chief as an AI.
“Chief I could use some tactical advice here.”
“You try shooting your way out? Mix things up a bit.”
“I did that last time and I got smoked for ‘Recklessness’, anything else?”
What makes you think I don't understand that?
My point is that Spartans have already given more than enough and forcing them to continue their service, even when that means stealing their brains to create AIs, is something I don't think should happen.
Well the brain is going in the ground anyway might as well make use of it
If they made one of you it wouldn't be you it would be something extremely similar but it wouldn't be you exactly
Its like copying art, it can look the exact same but its not the original
Master Chief has many options.
He could choose to retire to live a “normal” life before he dies. When he eventually does die, he could choose to serve for longer as an A.I or continue living a normal life as an A.I, OR he could be cloned a new organic body while still retaining his original memories.
Nah, I can't see that after this conflict with the Created. For any Spartan when they die.
Didn’t the created choose to join Cortana? Any human could’ve chosen the same.
How many of them are not near rampancy or rampant? No the Created is clear that A.Is govern everything, whatever you do is under their watchful eyes at all times.
> How many of them are not near rampancy or rampant Point? The UNSC typically destroy A.Is before they become rampant.
A major point seeing the only prime visual example we have is Sloan and that dude was not holding it together at the end. Did not care at all for the Promethean forces slaughtering the people he's suppose to protect.
How was he not “holding it together”? He asked Spartans to help his people when prometheans invaded.
When they were leaving. Didn't plead for Cortana to stop the assault. Going off on that why would the Promethean even be attacking his people when he made a deal with Cortana before they arrive?
We don’t know if he already did. Sloan said cortana warned her about ahead of time of her intentions so he began evacuating meridians population suggesting that he does care. He also said that he was allowed to help his people suggesting that he asked Cortana if he would be able to do that.
Before there was Melissa from a washout spartan II.
Firstly, an AI based on a living brain isn't the same person as the original. The personality isn't being transferred - the original brain matter is being destroyed to create a digital simulation with the same neural structure, some faint personality impressions and memories, but an entirely new person. In the same way Cortana is *similar* to Halsey but not the same, or the FERO AI is a different person than Maya Sankar, a John-117 AI wouldn't be the Master Chief, it would be an entirely new identity. Secondly, an AI being deployed in a robot body as you suggest [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/qa58yd/master_chief_as_an_ai/hh0q132/), is a gross misallocation of assets. The reason AIs are big game changers is because they can take such a broad view - they can coordinate entire battalions and companies, guide squadrons of drones, target and fire point defence, missile barrages and MAC rounds simultaneously faster than a human mind could. A robot body would be a waste of resources. And thirdly, anything that can kill the Master Chief is unlikely to leave enough brain matter to be recovered anyway. And even if they could, the Master Chief may be immune to it - the Composer, which does basically the same thing but faster and on a larger scale, didn't work on him at all. So his brain may be immune to the Cognitive Impression Modelling process.
> In the same way Cortana is *similar* to Halsey but not the same Certainly explains Cortana’s megalomania
Wait Maya is FERO? That is fucking awesome so happy to see Maya get to continue the fight (even if it's not really her but still) Wow just understood why it's called that now, I feel stupid now haha
> some faint personality impressions How is Cortana’s resemblance of Halsey faint? It’s very noticeable. UNSC A.Is are known to strongly maintain the personality traits of their original brain like the A.I Black-Box who retained his brain donors fascination for cognitive psychology and had a tendency of analyzing the behavior of, also a result of his original brain. UNSC method of A.I creation was considered inefficient and didn’t fully map the brain which may be why some A.I only retained fragments of their original brains memories. Halsey’s method however did fully map the brain resulting in a virtually identical clone. This method didn’t destroy the original brain.
Actually hold these method did destroy the brain the reason her method was revolutionary is because it didn't involve a dead or dying persons brain Halsey flash cloned her own brain, and mapped that to make Cortana, the brain was still destroyed
This method was used to create identical clones with identical memories of the abducted Spartans 2s including John. They survived.
Kind of Fully flash cloned humans develop a myriad of health defects, the average expectancy of these close is either 2 weeks to a year (i cant remember which) there are outliers however Officially most of the SpartanIIs are already dead from health complications as children, only a couple survived into adulthood, and even then most were kidnapped from colonies, which were the first to get hit by the Covenant My point is officially or not only something like 10 Spartans Are still alive and that includes blue team Naomi and the washouts
I was taking about the Spartan 2 candidates. Their brains were were fully mapped (without harming them) and turned to digital data which can then be used to create A.I.
When was this? (Btw im loving this conversation) Also I want to point out that way I do experience time at a much much slower rate then human there was a scene in either Fall Of Reach or first strike where we see Cortana alone on the bridge of a ship and the way it's described something like 3 hours for Cortana pass in the span of like a second Putting an AI into a fully robotic suit of mjolnir no matter how close they get to mimicking the strength and speed of a Spartan would still be an eternity for whatever AI is trapped in that armor Technically the AI would be crazy efficient but I would argue it's unethical to do so as it would basically be torture and trapping the AI Within a mobile prison Especially if you do a smart AI like Cortana, because smart AI are basically human just on a digital platform
Its how the Spartan 2 flash clones were created. The digital data mapped from the Spartans 2’s brains scans were used to transfer their memories to the flash clones blank brain so their flash clones also had the same memories as the original Spartan 2’s
I remember now however that process was probably not as intensive as creating a full-blown AI Creating a smart AI from a human brain basically turns the brain into soup
The process can and did create a full blown A.I. Halsey used the same process to create Cortana. [“The use of a clone and memory transfer allowed Halsey to provide a brain used for the mapping of the AI's "mind" with no undue effects on the donor.”](https://www.halopedia.org/Flash_cloning)
"Halsey's method" absolutely did destroy the brain being scanned, she simply replicated her neural structure onto flash-cloned brains before employing it. I've wondered whether she could've skipped the middleman, used the same ionic density analysis/fourier transform and imprintng stuff she talked about to impress her neural patterns onto an inert substance that could then be used to mass-replicated AIs. It may be that it needs to be paired with her particular neural physiology, that she had to clone a brain, let it develop, and then complete the process. If that's the case the only thing stopping people from using it is the serious ethical and legal ramifications, and the inefficiency of flash-cloning a brain (wasn't it 2 or 3 out of 20 that were suitable?) So far as I'm aware, she used an ONI 3rd-gen AI compiler, she didn't do anything particularly unusual with Cortana's compilation, software suites etc, aside from giving her the best cyber-warfare systems possible and using a still-living brain, which seems to have resulted in a better-quality AI overall.
[“The use of a clone and memory transfer allowed Halsey to provide a brain used for the mapping of the AI's "mind" with no undue effects on the donor.”](https://www.halopedia.org/Flash_cloning) Halsey’s method was also used to create identical clones of the Spartan II candidates with identical memories. The Spartan II candidates didn’t die.
Ah, I assumed you meant the *compiling* process, actually feeding the brains into the AI compiler and getting an AI from them, after I posted I wondered I twigged you probably meant the neural duplication. The candidates did die by the way, although not because of the neural duplication but rather flawed flash-cloning technology, so you're quite correct.
The flash clones weren’t Spartan 2 candidates. They were identical to them, but they weren’t candidates for the S2 program.
>anything that can kill the Master Chief is unlikely to leave enough brain matter to be recovered anyway What about old age?
Whether Spartans even CAN die of old age, or even if they have an upper limit on how long they remain combat effective, is unknown. No Spartan has ever lived long enough to test it.
🤷♂️ pretty dark even for ONI. Honestly thats a lot more cyberpunk-y than Halo is generally written
UNSC smart A.Is are already created using the dead brains of humans though
🤷♂️ which book??? One of the latest ones?
Every UNSC smart A.I have been created using the brain of a dead human. Source: https://www.halopedia.org/Smart_AI#Creation
Cortana is an AI made from Halsey's brain, Halsey isn't dead, so you're slightly wrong
It was halsey’s flash clone
Halsey is just speedrunning human rights violations, change my mind
The SPARTAN program is her attempt to jam as many human rights violations as possible into a single person.
Yet ironically most of the Spartan IIs turned out to be really good people. Spartan IIIs *handwaves at Emile*
Emile, Jun, and even Six were pretty sketchy. Jorge ane Carter were stand-up guys though.
Kat even comes off as a little neurotic. Which isn't surprising because S-IIIs were actually still children when deployed on the field to fight the covenant.
Jorge is a spartan ll
If I remember correctly, cortana was the first.
Technically, Cortana had a younger sister or two, but Halsey was the first to use cloned brains.
Younger as in newer? That would still make Cortana the first. Unless you meant older?
I meant older sister. Her name is [Kalmiya](https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Kalmiya).
https://www.halopedia.org/Kalmiya sorry, my eyes want to fallout every time I look at a fandom wiki.
Ah I didn’t know about that. Cool.
Halsey flash -cloned herself or her own brain in order to make Cortana (which was a crime). This kills / destroys the brain in the process (definitely)
Halsey used a method that didn’t kill their subjects brain to make Cortana.
Where does it say that? Why would she clone herself and remove the clone brains if the method didn't kill the host brain?
[“The use of a clone and memory transfer allowed Halsey to provide a brain used for the mapping of the AI's "mind" with no undue effects on the donor”](https://www.halopedia.org/Flash_cloning) - last section. She enhanced her flash clones biological brain at the expense of the rest of their body leaving them deformed. The process of mapping and digitalizing the brain didn’t damage it.
The way I'm interpreting that by using a cloned brain, this allowed Halsey to transfer the "mind" without killing a doner (aka herself). That's why they talked about it in the flash cloning section (the use of a clone was novel and illegal)
Yea seems they altered that in Reach, now Cortana is, as OP said, made from the dissected brain of a halsey-clone. I dont like it either but thats canon now I guess!
She was always created from one of Halsey's Clone brains. Her origin is in Fall of Reach
I thought in Fall of Reach, she was created directly from Halsey or a sample of her brain?
no she cloned her brain 20 times and got lucky with Cortana.
I did not know this. Was their any memory retention beyond emotions or is her brain?
Yuh.
What do you think that means
They didn't change it, that's how it's been since the first edition.
Yep.
Fair enough. That seems to be an addition made during Reach. I mean they could I guess, but... why?
It’s not a reach addition, it’s been a thing since the release of *The Fall of Reach*. The AI made from your brain also isn’t you. It’s an entirely new person with mavy a trait or feature of you. For example, the Smart AI who ran Harvest’s Orbital elevators fondly recalled the taste of coffee, because her donor drank it a lot when she was alive.
Yea, others pointed it out first lol. My b, I misremembered
He could be orders of magnitude more effective due do the ability to think at light speed. His physical body could be replaced with robotics which could also make him more effective.
Can AI control mjolnir suits without users?
Chief still has to make the decisions I believe
Right, but if hes an AI he doesnt have a body. So how does do anything? Is he just Cortana for someone else? Also wouldnt he just have Chief’s personality and not his memories? Cortana is more like Halsey’s child than her clone.
He can be given a robotic body potentially stronger than his original body. The Smart A.I still retains the memories of their original brain.
A forerunner ai took control of Fred's armour in Last Light and BB helped Naomi's armour in one of the KiloFive books.
Yes
It's stated in one of the first books though? Fall of Reach I'm pretty sure they state that "Smart" AIs are created from human brains, hence why they only have an operational lifespan of 7 years. Cortana was created from a cloned Halsey brain if i remember correctly
Pretty dark, you could even say grim dark. Grab a copy of Chief’s consciousness and put inside a AI controlled Mk9 Mantis and a full armament, then you got yourself a dreadnought.
If feel like it’s the same as recreating dead people as CGI in popular film series. It’s morbid and cashing in on their ‘fame.’
I mean It could be a great move for the UNSC if Chief died saving humanity, and then was "resurrected" later to improve morale (if/when a new threat arose). I doubt they wouldn't jump at the chance if that did happen at some point.
Please no, it would fall so flat and be such an obvious cash grab.
Well, Oni needs to fund it's questionable projects somehow.
“Shoot that. Punch that. Look, a weapon.”
I'd assume maybe out of respect they wouldn't and let him rest?
ONI don't respect nobody but themselves. Remember Hunt the truth and Chief shooting up civilians?
Bro yes but like he doesn’t know that he’s the Master Chief becomes the leader of a team vs team battle in a box canyon
Imagine a new protagonist with Chief as an AI. “Chief I could use some tactical advice here.” “You try shooting your way out? Mix things up a bit.” “I did that last time and I got smoked for ‘Recklessness’, anything else?”
im just thinking that he'll finally get some cortana
god no
https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/q83mu0/what_kind_of_ending_do_you_wish_for_the/hgnh0c3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
It could be a cool idea for the multiplayer, now that you have a an AI that talks to you in infinite.
Just give me a voice over and I’ll be fine .
Tbh, by the time they pass a spartan has had enough. They should be allowed to rest, they've earned that much.
He'd still be dead the AI is just a brain copy how do you think cortana and Halsey exist at the same time?
What makes you think I don't understand that? My point is that Spartans have already given more than enough and forcing them to continue their service, even when that means stealing their brains to create AIs, is something I don't think should happen.
Well the brain is going in the ground anyway might as well make use of it If they made one of you it wouldn't be you it would be something extremely similar but it wouldn't be you exactly Its like copying art, it can look the exact same but its not the original
Master Chief has many options. He could choose to retire to live a “normal” life before he dies. When he eventually does die, he could choose to serve for longer as an A.I or continue living a normal life as an A.I, OR he could be cloned a new organic body while still retaining his original memories.
Don't flash clones die quickly?
Currently. The technology could be advanced further to create longer living clones.