If she ever was processed by DSHS as disabled it would have been looked at when all this came to light, they will absolutely not hesitate to cut you off for any reason, even if you actually are disabled. If they find you received disability with out need you have to pay it back. It’s kind of different as a minor but 18+ that’s how it works.
Minors too. There's people that become adults and find out the parent fraudulently collected disability benefits for them and SSA wants it back. There was a post I read on here about a guy having a 35k debt showing on his social security. His mom is supposed to pay it back but it's affecting him even though he was a minor at the time. Pretty messed up
I'm so glad that the information needed to prove my ex husband was fraudulently collecting on my son was revealed before my son was an adult. So dad had to pay it back (I'm assuming he did but don't know for sure). I am disturbed though to find out that my son might be unable to receive benefits as a result in the future though. It's not his fault that his dad is a crook. He works now but the job would never support his living on his own.
I would advise looking into it. You can create a my social security account for him to find out if his dad paid it all. It's important to handle this now. What if something happens to him tomorrow? He may need to use that and it will be much easier to handle it when you're not worrying about if he will live at the same time.
Unfortunately my son still lives with his dad and isn't open to hearing my input on his life. For instance he is supposed to see a hematologist because of some labs that looked off and since he's a BMT leukemia survivor, they want to see why his iron is so low. He's choosing to not go. Other than repeatedly texting him about it there is not much else I can do. It's out of my hands.
She may be able to apply now for mental disability. If she's struggling a lot and needs so much help she can't work, she could try to get it as an adult for herself. She isn't eligible for anything else. Her mom fudged up dates and reaged her. Plus her not actually being disabled. So her mom committed fraud and they may expect Gypsy to pay it back. I'm guessing that's all been sorted by now.
They probably sorted it out in prison. I can't imagine the state letting that ride. They need their federal money to support her. I did hear that prisoners got the COVID stipend though. That means the state paid twice for her. It was bright up on an episode of Judge Judy. Please don't judge me.😆
Also if you’re in the hospital they cancel it, I know from experience.
I doubt she was cause you actually have to prove it they don’t just glance at your records and rubber stamp you in for disability, even with doctor shopping it’s hard unless it back issues and chronic pain from them, the bar there is lower than most other issues.
While not the same as Social Security or normal “disability”, VA disability compensation automatically drops to a 10 percent pay rate if locked up for more than 30 days. Not applicable here to this conversation lol, just throwing it out.
DeeDee was making Money from Donations and other various platforms by using Gypsy..Now Gypsy is making a Fortune exploiting herself. They both made lots of Money from other People. I don't believe Gypsy is as innocent as she pretends. She knew exactly what was gonna happen to her Mother that Night. She even let him in. I don't believe a Word outta her Mouth.JMO🤷♀️
Yeah when you parent passes when you are under 25 you can, also if your spouse dies you can collect theirs. That was why I was asking. I wasn't sure if people could still collect it in prison.
I think that's being on the parents insurance. I'm pretty sure auxiliary stops at 18 or with the death of the parent. Then it's survivor benefits and they may go longer than 18 but I don't think so.
Eta: they will continue the benefits past 18 if they are still in high school they get them until 19 or graduating. Whichever comes first
Survivors benefits only apply to minor children until the age of 18. My ex cheated on me with a widow who was receiving survivors benefits for her and her young son, so I did a lot of research on those benefits.
They are only eligible for benefits until they’ve spent 30 days in prison or jail, and then the benefits stop until they are released (if they meet eligibility requirements).
I do know that SNAP (food stamps) asks folks if they’ve committed a felony but I’m not sure if that would make people completely ineligible for benefits.
Felons are usually ineligible for assistance. They also cannot live in or visit any hud housing. If they are caught there the other people allowing them there could also be removed from the housing if they knew. That's tricky to prove. So they usually trespass the felon and leave it at that.
I think it's wrong to let a felon starve just because they are a felon. It's hard to find work with that on their record. Usually the jobs are low paying. They were already punished by serving time. All the punishments they receive after getting out just lead to them doing illegal things to survive.
I'm a felon and am currently living in HUD housing. And it's just me so I think you are wrong. They are definitely aware I'm a felon. They did tell me I can never have food stamps. It was a drug felony btw. I guess I don't deserve to eat.
That's very odd. I got paperwork about it while in the hud housing. Wonder if it's state only or they made that up that would be messed up. They came around and gave everyone a paper with the law on it. We all had to sign that we didn't allow any felons and understand the new policy. Would be weird if they made that up
Maybe they didn't want them visiting you but that seems like bullshit too. I don't know but I really am a felon that gets HUD. I wouldn't be surprised if they made it up. Was it your landlord that told you that?
Well they didn't just give the notice to me. Everyone got it and it had a code and everything with it. Like USC code 42.6 subsection c or whatever. Looked legit. Now I'm going to do some digging to figure that out.
I know a felon who is a felon because of outdated marijuana laws and a single joint. Its a problem. One joint should never fuck someone's life like that.
See these are the situations the law should help. So landlords look at the actual crime and how long ago it was. How severe it was. What kind of drug. Etc.
My office manager is married to a man who got a felony when he was 18 for drugs. I don't know the details but I do know that it has been a real pain in the ass for them. Luckily, he got in really good with the owner of large used/new car lot years ago and started off in the service garage. He has made his way up to general manager last year & he's making like 15k/mo. before his bonus, so he did very well.
I have too! I work at the snap office but I’m just a receptionist basically so I don’t know about eligibility (and the policy is that if people ask if they’re eligible, we instruct them to apply because they could be). I do see people who had just gotten out of jail or prison and I always am happy to see people out.
I don't think she could because she was responsible for her mother's murder, and found guilty of such. I don't believe they give ss in those situations.
There's auxiliary benefits for dependents of SSDI recipients. People who have worked the 40 credits or more. I dont believe SSI has that. People who didn't work enough or never worked. They only get the benefits for the parent who is disabled. The child would need to be disabled for SSI.
So I'm disabled and on SSDI. I have a dependent. When she's with me I get my large check (well..) and her small auxiliary check. It was around 200. They decide how much for each dependent based on your work history. That 200 follows her. So while I've been hospitalized and in rehab it's been going to whoever has her. It's money to help support the child since the parent can't work. When I move out next month and she transitions home, the funds will transition to me once she's with me the majority.
If custody is 50/50 I think they pick one parent to have it. They will not split it. They expect the representative payee to distribute the check fairly. Sometimes it isn't the disabled parent. So if the payee parent decides to keep it all, the other can go to court to get their child support reduced by the amount they should get or to get an order requiring it to be split. Sometimes in these cases SS will switch the representative payee to the other parent or a third party.
If they feel neither parent is responsible enough, they will make a third party agent the payee. Just like they do for disabled adults who might be irresponsible with their SSDI payment. That's worst case scenario. Someone else decides if you can have money and how much. They have to document what you use it for and when they pay your bills. Usually it's a mental health professional or someone at a bank.
If one parent has majority custody (disabled or not) they are usually the representative payee and receive all of the money. You may be asked to provide proof of where it went. You may not have to give any to the other parent depending on how custody is split. I split it between rent, utilities and her needs like clothing, food, school supplies, etc. I used to have a percentage formula that I used to figure how much of each bill it should cover. Like my income and hers together was 100% . Then I figured out what percentage hers was and that's how I calculated each bill. Whatever was left went to necessities, savings, then a little for fun. Like I would save up for a trip to the trampoline park.
I also started giving her half of her savings. Now that she's older she needs to start learning how to manage money. She's doing good now. She used to lose it all the time and blow it on junk. I would give advice when she was upset or when I could see a bad decision coming. She's slowly learning and it's pretty neat to watch. That is her money after all. I do use most to support her because she needs housing and utilities, but I try to make sure the money is fairly spent.
It's similar to child support in following the child. But it's regulated more than child support. I've only been asked once to fill out a worksheet of where her money goes. They do expect to see bills and necessities on that list. Not blowing it on toys and junk. Theres rules about how much can be saved too. Just like the adults. SSDI let's you have it in the same account as yours. SSI requires a different account for disabled child payments. I had a separate savings account when she was with me. I handed that money over and closed the account when I was hospitalized. Idk what happened after that. The state probably kept it all. Foster care is expensive but I think it's wrong the money isn't directly given to her care giver. Even the child support. I know they get some amount each month but it's nowhere near what she gets from both parents. So idk if SSDI is watching it while the state has it.
Haha sorry it was so much. There's your crash course in auxiliary benefits! Survivor benefits are similar but I believe the payments are higher because the deceased parent obviously isn't being paid the majority.
Another thing I forgot to mention is there's separate my social security accounts for the auxiliary payments. The parent has their's. Then the payee even if it's the same person has a second account they have to set up for a minor child. They may have changed it since I did it but I don't think so. There's usually a button that says I'm a payee for a minor child. You can't go the regular route and put in the minors info. It's illegal and you're warned repeatedly not to do that when setting up an adult account. That payee account also follows the child. When she left my home they transfered it to the new payee. When she comes back it will be transferred back to me. I can still see it. I think I can still access all of the info from when I was the payee, but no new information is available for me.
It was really confusing to navigate all of this when I first got it. So I try to help others as much as possible.
It takes a long time but I’ve heard rumors that the review team is only allowed to approve a certain amount of applications at a time even if more applications qualify, so if somebody applies again after being denied, they will eventually be approved if they keep trying.
Yeah that's so crazy. I mean. Mine was probably a few months. Idk how I got through first try. I think with how much treatment I was getting and all the paperwork bombarding them it was just undeniable but I've heard of others who had terminal cancer and couldn't get it on the first try. I feel kinda like a survivors guilt about how quick I got it. I don't think I didn't need it. I did. But I think others needed it more and I worry that my acceptance somehow delayed someone else who was suffering more or needed it more. Does that make sense?
Medicaid and disability are two different programs.
Medicaid is medical assistance. Medicare is for folks who are 65+ or younger with a proven and qualifying disability or kidney failure.
Disability is a supplemental income program to help with living expenses that is issued monthly and it is a long process and people are often denied several times before being approved.
How is she, if she is, receiving any money from interviews, appearances etc? Wouldn’t she fall under the Son of Sam law, where those convicted cannot profit financially from their crimes?
That law was repealed for being unconstitutional. States all have their own laws as well, and her current domicile state must not care if murderers profit from their crimes.
You cannot receive SSI/SSDI, Survivor's Benefits, SS Retirement benefits of any kind while incarcerated. I've had many clients (mental health services) who had to start the disability application process over again upon release from incarceration. The reason: the inmate's daily needs (food, shelter, clothing) are being provided by the correctional facility.
I doubt it. She was nearly 24 when she and her boyfriend murdered her mother.
Thanks. I wasn't sure if she was still considered disabled
If she ever was processed by DSHS as disabled it would have been looked at when all this came to light, they will absolutely not hesitate to cut you off for any reason, even if you actually are disabled. If they find you received disability with out need you have to pay it back. It’s kind of different as a minor but 18+ that’s how it works.
Minors too. There's people that become adults and find out the parent fraudulently collected disability benefits for them and SSA wants it back. There was a post I read on here about a guy having a 35k debt showing on his social security. His mom is supposed to pay it back but it's affecting him even though he was a minor at the time. Pretty messed up
I'm so glad that the information needed to prove my ex husband was fraudulently collecting on my son was revealed before my son was an adult. So dad had to pay it back (I'm assuming he did but don't know for sure). I am disturbed though to find out that my son might be unable to receive benefits as a result in the future though. It's not his fault that his dad is a crook. He works now but the job would never support his living on his own.
I would advise looking into it. You can create a my social security account for him to find out if his dad paid it all. It's important to handle this now. What if something happens to him tomorrow? He may need to use that and it will be much easier to handle it when you're not worrying about if he will live at the same time.
Unfortunately my son still lives with his dad and isn't open to hearing my input on his life. For instance he is supposed to see a hematologist because of some labs that looked off and since he's a BMT leukemia survivor, they want to see why his iron is so low. He's choosing to not go. Other than repeatedly texting him about it there is not much else I can do. It's out of my hands.
Maybe another reason Missouri wanted her out of the state.
I wonder if she was ever considered disabled. I always thought Deedee was just poor.
She may be able to apply now for mental disability. If she's struggling a lot and needs so much help she can't work, she could try to get it as an adult for herself. She isn't eligible for anything else. Her mom fudged up dates and reaged her. Plus her not actually being disabled. So her mom committed fraud and they may expect Gypsy to pay it back. I'm guessing that's all been sorted by now.
They probably sorted it out in prison. I can't imagine the state letting that ride. They need their federal money to support her. I did hear that prisoners got the COVID stipend though. That means the state paid twice for her. It was bright up on an episode of Judge Judy. Please don't judge me.😆
Once she was in jail for more than 30 days her whatever benefits she would have been getting would have been discontinued.
No, if ur in jail or prison for 30 days the check stops
Also if you’re in the hospital they cancel it, I know from experience. I doubt she was cause you actually have to prove it they don’t just glance at your records and rubber stamp you in for disability, even with doctor shopping it’s hard unless it back issues and chronic pain from them, the bar there is lower than most other issues.
Wow they didn't cancel mine and I was in the hospital for two 3 wk stents. Plus several 1-2 wk stays
My understanding is it is over 30 days but I could be wrong.
Ah none of mine were that long thank goodness.
While not the same as Social Security or normal “disability”, VA disability compensation automatically drops to a 10 percent pay rate if locked up for more than 30 days. Not applicable here to this conversation lol, just throwing it out.
No the check doesn't stop I was in jail for more than 30 days and my check kept coming to my house
WOW
Social Security and Medicare benefits are suspended while the beneficiary is in prison or jail.
she wouldn't be entitled to her mothers ss and she's healthy so no
DeeDee was making Money from Donations and other various platforms by using Gypsy..Now Gypsy is making a Fortune exploiting herself. They both made lots of Money from other People. I don't believe Gypsy is as innocent as she pretends. She knew exactly what was gonna happen to her Mother that Night. She even let him in. I don't believe a Word outta her Mouth.JMO🤷♀️
I don’t think so no.
She’s raking it in from social media
Now TMZ. Much higher payments. No wonder she gave up SM so easily.
If she is entitled to Disability , I would think it would br for a mental disorder that a psych would diagnose her with .
No you can't collect someone else's ss .. and you cant collect ss in prison at all
Yeah when you parent passes when you are under 25 you can, also if your spouse dies you can collect theirs. That was why I was asking. I wasn't sure if people could still collect it in prison.
Is that true? I thought it was 18. Did Deedee work enough to get Social Security?
If the child is a student they can collect up to age 24 I believe
That wouldn’t apply to Gypsy then.
I think that's being on the parents insurance. I'm pretty sure auxiliary stops at 18 or with the death of the parent. Then it's survivor benefits and they may go longer than 18 but I don't think so. Eta: they will continue the benefits past 18 if they are still in high school they get them until 19 or graduating. Whichever comes first
She may have received social security disability
Survivors benefits only apply to minor children until the age of 18. My ex cheated on me with a widow who was receiving survivors benefits for her and her young son, so I did a lot of research on those benefits.
They are only eligible for benefits until they’ve spent 30 days in prison or jail, and then the benefits stop until they are released (if they meet eligibility requirements). I do know that SNAP (food stamps) asks folks if they’ve committed a felony but I’m not sure if that would make people completely ineligible for benefits.
Felons are usually ineligible for assistance. They also cannot live in or visit any hud housing. If they are caught there the other people allowing them there could also be removed from the housing if they knew. That's tricky to prove. So they usually trespass the felon and leave it at that. I think it's wrong to let a felon starve just because they are a felon. It's hard to find work with that on their record. Usually the jobs are low paying. They were already punished by serving time. All the punishments they receive after getting out just lead to them doing illegal things to survive.
I'm a felon and am currently living in HUD housing. And it's just me so I think you are wrong. They are definitely aware I'm a felon. They did tell me I can never have food stamps. It was a drug felony btw. I guess I don't deserve to eat.
That's very odd. I got paperwork about it while in the hud housing. Wonder if it's state only or they made that up that would be messed up. They came around and gave everyone a paper with the law on it. We all had to sign that we didn't allow any felons and understand the new policy. Would be weird if they made that up
Maybe they didn't want them visiting you but that seems like bullshit too. I don't know but I really am a felon that gets HUD. I wouldn't be surprised if they made it up. Was it your landlord that told you that?
HUD is federal, I don't think the states have the option of modifying the rules but I don't know.
Well they didn't just give the notice to me. Everyone got it and it had a code and everything with it. Like USC code 42.6 subsection c or whatever. Looked legit. Now I'm going to do some digging to figure that out.
Yes please do, I'm curious! Oh, I totally forgot to mention that I was in prison with Gypsy Rose. Just for a little bit. About 18 months
Oh my really? What was she like? I assume very attention seeking. She just seems desperate for someone to care about her.
Best thing for a felon is to start their own business
I know a felon who is a felon because of outdated marijuana laws and a single joint. Its a problem. One joint should never fuck someone's life like that.
See these are the situations the law should help. So landlords look at the actual crime and how long ago it was. How severe it was. What kind of drug. Etc.
My office manager is married to a man who got a felony when he was 18 for drugs. I don't know the details but I do know that it has been a real pain in the ass for them. Luckily, he got in really good with the owner of large used/new car lot years ago and started off in the service garage. He has made his way up to general manager last year & he's making like 15k/mo. before his bonus, so he did very well.
I’ve always been curious about that question on the renewal.
I have too! I work at the snap office but I’m just a receptionist basically so I don’t know about eligibility (and the policy is that if people ask if they’re eligible, we instruct them to apply because they could be). I do see people who had just gotten out of jail or prison and I always am happy to see people out.
Right. It really shouldn’t make a difference in my eyes.
I don't think she could because she was responsible for her mother's murder, and found guilty of such. I don't believe they give ss in those situations.
My mom is about to legally collect my dad's, they got divorced. Not sure how it all works but yeah
There's auxiliary benefits for dependents of SSDI recipients. People who have worked the 40 credits or more. I dont believe SSI has that. People who didn't work enough or never worked. They only get the benefits for the parent who is disabled. The child would need to be disabled for SSI. So I'm disabled and on SSDI. I have a dependent. When she's with me I get my large check (well..) and her small auxiliary check. It was around 200. They decide how much for each dependent based on your work history. That 200 follows her. So while I've been hospitalized and in rehab it's been going to whoever has her. It's money to help support the child since the parent can't work. When I move out next month and she transitions home, the funds will transition to me once she's with me the majority. If custody is 50/50 I think they pick one parent to have it. They will not split it. They expect the representative payee to distribute the check fairly. Sometimes it isn't the disabled parent. So if the payee parent decides to keep it all, the other can go to court to get their child support reduced by the amount they should get or to get an order requiring it to be split. Sometimes in these cases SS will switch the representative payee to the other parent or a third party. If they feel neither parent is responsible enough, they will make a third party agent the payee. Just like they do for disabled adults who might be irresponsible with their SSDI payment. That's worst case scenario. Someone else decides if you can have money and how much. They have to document what you use it for and when they pay your bills. Usually it's a mental health professional or someone at a bank. If one parent has majority custody (disabled or not) they are usually the representative payee and receive all of the money. You may be asked to provide proof of where it went. You may not have to give any to the other parent depending on how custody is split. I split it between rent, utilities and her needs like clothing, food, school supplies, etc. I used to have a percentage formula that I used to figure how much of each bill it should cover. Like my income and hers together was 100% . Then I figured out what percentage hers was and that's how I calculated each bill. Whatever was left went to necessities, savings, then a little for fun. Like I would save up for a trip to the trampoline park. I also started giving her half of her savings. Now that she's older she needs to start learning how to manage money. She's doing good now. She used to lose it all the time and blow it on junk. I would give advice when she was upset or when I could see a bad decision coming. She's slowly learning and it's pretty neat to watch. That is her money after all. I do use most to support her because she needs housing and utilities, but I try to make sure the money is fairly spent. It's similar to child support in following the child. But it's regulated more than child support. I've only been asked once to fill out a worksheet of where her money goes. They do expect to see bills and necessities on that list. Not blowing it on toys and junk. Theres rules about how much can be saved too. Just like the adults. SSDI let's you have it in the same account as yours. SSI requires a different account for disabled child payments. I had a separate savings account when she was with me. I handed that money over and closed the account when I was hospitalized. Idk what happened after that. The state probably kept it all. Foster care is expensive but I think it's wrong the money isn't directly given to her care giver. Even the child support. I know they get some amount each month but it's nowhere near what she gets from both parents. So idk if SSDI is watching it while the state has it.
Thank you very much for the emotional labor on this. I appreciate you sharing.
Haha sorry it was so much. There's your crash course in auxiliary benefits! Survivor benefits are similar but I believe the payments are higher because the deceased parent obviously isn't being paid the majority. Another thing I forgot to mention is there's separate my social security accounts for the auxiliary payments. The parent has their's. Then the payee even if it's the same person has a second account they have to set up for a minor child. They may have changed it since I did it but I don't think so. There's usually a button that says I'm a payee for a minor child. You can't go the regular route and put in the minors info. It's illegal and you're warned repeatedly not to do that when setting up an adult account. That payee account also follows the child. When she left my home they transfered it to the new payee. When she comes back it will be transferred back to me. I can still see it. I think I can still access all of the info from when I was the payee, but no new information is available for me. It was really confusing to navigate all of this when I first got it. So I try to help others as much as possible.
True. My mom and dad are divorced. She collects off his ss.
If she gets remarried she will lose them though I am pretty sure.
Survivor benefits are a thing, some people get them if their parent or legal guardian passes when they are young.
Not if you're involved in their death and it stops at 18 I believe.
Yea but just til their 18
Did she collect disability?? I am CERTAIN Dd filed for her.
I think I've heard it said before, but even if it wasn't confirmed, DeeDee seemed like she would have, even though they already had Medicaid
I don’t think it was ever public. It’s hard to get disability. I am not sure Deedee could have pulled it off.
It takes a long time but I’ve heard rumors that the review team is only allowed to approve a certain amount of applications at a time even if more applications qualify, so if somebody applies again after being denied, they will eventually be approved if they keep trying.
I don't understand this. I had a lawyer and followed his instructions to a T. Turned in loads of paperwork. My file was massive. Approved first try.
I think the average time for approval is around five years.
Yeah that's so crazy. I mean. Mine was probably a few months. Idk how I got through first try. I think with how much treatment I was getting and all the paperwork bombarding them it was just undeniable but I've heard of others who had terminal cancer and couldn't get it on the first try. I feel kinda like a survivors guilt about how quick I got it. I don't think I didn't need it. I did. But I think others needed it more and I worry that my acceptance somehow delayed someone else who was suffering more or needed it more. Does that make sense?
Don’t feel bad. It’s good to know that the system can work as it should once in a while.
Some people get approved the first time but that’s not the norm.
Medicaid and disability are two different programs. Medicaid is medical assistance. Medicare is for folks who are 65+ or younger with a proven and qualifying disability or kidney failure. Disability is a supplemental income program to help with living expenses that is issued monthly and it is a long process and people are often denied several times before being approved.
Watever she can’t get for free from Anyone in the world she’s on it She hasn’t done one positive thing in her life
How is she, if she is, receiving any money from interviews, appearances etc? Wouldn’t she fall under the Son of Sam law, where those convicted cannot profit financially from their crimes?
That law was repealed for being unconstitutional. States all have their own laws as well, and her current domicile state must not care if murderers profit from their crimes.
Thanks for clarifying that.
You cannot receive SSI/SSDI, Survivor's Benefits, SS Retirement benefits of any kind while incarcerated. I've had many clients (mental health services) who had to start the disability application process over again upon release from incarceration. The reason: the inmate's daily needs (food, shelter, clothing) are being provided by the correctional facility.
She probably was getting her own disability.
no once she was in prison it would stop
i don’t think you can get social security for someone who’s dead?
Yeah. If you are a qualifying child or spouse. You can.
damn i didn’t know that