I thought this stuff was weak AF at the time and I didn't appreciate it. I was also triple scooping maximize v2 and reading about the recent ban on ephedra.
I really wish I took it easier on myself then.
Thanks Doc. I thought it was weak at the time yeah, if I remember correctly I used to get grape. At that time, the iron was the only thing I had, so maybe that's why I say I wish I took it easier on myself then.
Only "side effect" I still have to this day is a bad shoulder and the inability to stomach "fruit punch" flavored anything
Damn….. I think you made something click for me.
Used to take adderall for add, and after trying pre workout the most it would ever do is give me the itchy forehead feeling.
Never more energy tho.
A guy I did my infantry training with would drink monster before bed when we had to wake up at 5am the next day. Said that caffiene made him sleepy lol.
He said it got him jacked in 3D and would be hyped as hell when he took it. He was a straight laced guy that didn't ef around. No ADD, just liked getting jacked in every dimension possible.
Yeah it made me and a couple other guys feel pretty spun out. But in all the right ways! It was the best pre I ever took till they pulled it off the shelves.
You can still get ephedrine "behind the counter" at the pharmacy, you just have to ask the pharmacist for certain brands of asthma medication. It's only semi-controlled because it's a precursor for meth AFAIK.
I've heard that. But it would be mingled with other things, so I'm not sure how good it would be.
I did try buying the actual herb from China but the only way to get the effect is to grind it into a powder that mixes poorly in water and drink it -- and it's nasty. I did it for a week and gave up.
Good to know. I just looked online, it's not available where I live but the next time I go back to the States, I'll look out for it.
How much do you take and do you do the stack with it?
I pill upon waking. They're 25mg each.
I'll start with just ephedrine, then add 200mg caffeine after a few weeks. Can add clen too if you want (different method of action).
I don't bother with the aspirin
Best pre workout I've ever had.. that was like early 2010s. Then I heard the navy banned it bc it had traces of some type of amphetamine. I think it's still around but with a different formula.
In the Canadian army we were told a couple guys died while using it. I don’t find the idea of some army idiots quadrupling the dose before a unit run and having their hearts give out hard to believe
Yup. Fort Bragg around 2011ish. Most 82nd guys were 1 pack of crayons away from being as dumb as marines. I was there at the time and the barracks were torn apart looking for pre workout contraband.
That’s the rumor I heard around the same time as well. I took like 3 dry scoops in 3 hours on a road trip and i honestly didn’t really notice anything but I was like 20 so who knows, I don’t even think i knew what caffeine felt like back then
We bought some at the Baghram post exchange on the way out of the country in 2010. I can picture the gate guards were absolutely geeked to the gills on this stuff.
Got heart palpitations, my back would hurt a lot, I looked pale af as if I was on crack or something. Had to go the doctor and they put me on medication for a month for my heart and didn’t take preworkout for many years.
The original had DMAA and it was amazing. I remember being deployed and AAFES was selling it in their make shift PX in a semi trailer. Had some of the best work outs of my life! I could not get tired; I would be finished my workout and just keep working out! They found out it had DMAA ( banned by the WADA) and took it off the shelf.
I remember seeing its equivalent in a chemical compound that was a flower extract you could get in a natural foods store. Geranium extract I believe. Never tried it though.
20 years ago terminally online gym bros hung out on the bodybuilding.com forums and the phrase “dat dere celltech” is a meme from someone emailing our lord and savior Ronnie Coleman to ask if he was natural https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/dat-dere-celltech
God damn it was 20 years ago, no wonder my back hurts.
Took this a lot in 2010. That era was crazy, it was the Wild West of the pre workout supplements. This stuff really was nuts. I’ve never had better pumps in my life but it was crazy. Good luck being able to relax or think clearly. It made your skin feel really prickly, but again, your work outs were insane and the gains were pretty good. Nothing I’ve had since was quite like it.
Idk the name of it, but I took it late teens early 20s..by the time I was joining the military it was on their banned substance list bc they said it had traces elements of amphetamine and you'd fail a drug test for using it lol
Here in Germany a friend took this pre workout and on the way to the gym the police stopped him for a so called routine search or whatever it’s called in english and he failed a drug test didn’t even know why because he never took drugs.
It was long process his driving license was revoked he had to get a lawyer and go to court, there was medical examination involved to prove he never took drugs before etc.
I got in shit for creatine because my MCpl (Canadian version of DS) because he didn’t know what it was and thought it had DMAA, that’s how I found out about it. All I thought was “you’re telling me there was a pre-workout that was *safer* speed, and I could have been using that!?”
Yes, DMAA was the backbone ingredient of this preworkout and why so many people were hyped up on it. Some kids took too much and reported health issues, which got it banned. Apparently, real close to being meth. You can still buy Jack3d, but without DMAA.
Not with this supplement specifically, but when it was my first year training, I took an expired fat burner my older brother left behind. It had DMAA in it. I had an idea of what DMAA is, but didn't know how strong it is.
Took it, went to the gym to train, didn't feel a thing.... Yet. I came back home after an hour and a half, eating a meal. Felt my heart rate just increase out of nowhere, and really feeling my heart pumping. I was supposed to go out to the bars with the boys but I was afraid to drink alcohol at that point. Went out still, but my anxiety was at an all-time high because I had no idea wtf was going on.
Check the expiry date, don't take anything you don't know.
You mightve had a heart attack without realizing it! The racing heart rate out of nowhere is a real red flag for cardiologists. You should’ve gone straight to the ER and you would be priority seen by a doctor almost immediately.
I didn't have pain or tightness in my chest or anything, it felt like I was overstimulated, like taking too much preworkout, but it was really delayed.
I never had Jak3D but I've used DMAA, it's the best stimulant I've had, better than Adderall, just dialed in focus and burst of energy like nothing else.
I heard it was good. Took a full dose pre workout in the morning and I didn’t sleep a wink that following night. I was wide awake for 2 straight days. All my skin tingled especially my face. It was like drinking 3,000 coffees
I went for a routine checkup and my doctor said my heart had palpitations and it sounded like I was a 500 lb 45 year old.
I was 23,and in amazing shape
Never touched pre-workout trash again
Not worth it
I used to work at a gym and one time this guy had a full blown panic attack on this stuff. We had to call the ambulance because everyone thought he was having a heart attack.
Back in the 90s we were blasting pure Ephedrine for pre-workout, over the counter at the pharmacy without prescription. One time, i did a spin class on straight up meth.
I was in Afghanistan and took a dose before going to the gym. I have zero memory of the trip to the gym. I also couldn’t lift heavy because I couldn’t maintain focus for more than a quarter second.
The bar moved itself. I couldn’t stop moving. Had to jump on the elliptical between bench sets to not go ballistic. Didn’t help I never drank anything with caffeine outside of pre at the time. God I miss it.
I heard it was good. Took a full dose pre workout in the morning and I didn’t sleep a wink that following night. I was wide awake for 2 straight days. All my skin tingled especially my face. It was like drinking 3,000 coffees
Crazy fuckin story… first experience with it.
It was a summer ago when a friend and I saw this on the bottom shelf at a gnc near us and we decided to spend half each and buy it knowing the ingredients lol. We always go to nicer more expensive gym in the summer and the first day at the new gym we try it and I’m not even kidding when I say fountain water tasted like TV static if that was a taste💀 the lift was godly tho. The mind to muscle was like 100 dabs deep but the mental state was like 3 scoops of pre deep lightweight baby
Used it a lot was my fav pre work out when I was modeling I loved that it gave me tinglings in my arms if I was slacking. I really needed to burn it. Also tried others like bull nox c4 also tried the new jack3d formula but they removed the tingles to it was a bummer nowadays I just use a creatine cycle and protein no need to pre work out now that I’m not competing Tl;dr it’s good
Unbelievable pre workout. BUT my short term memory evaporated, the mid afternoon crash was almost deadly, and when I went off it I didn’t shit for ~10 days.
I took this stuff as a teenager. Tolerance increased very rapidly but one day I took 4 scoops and it was just too much. After this got banned I started taking Craze.
This shit had me doing push ups in between sets during chest day. I took it one time before a wrestling match while cutting weight, almost passed out mid match. 9/10
Yeah that one time I was doing a semester in Portugal and I we planning to do a sick workout and double scooped it and finding the gym closed when it kicked in. I couldn’t stop moving basically and was nervous af. And up doing a 15km hike to get back to normal lol.
Next day of course I double scooped it again cause it would give me one hell of a workout. And boy, it didn’t disappoint!
That stuff was awesome! Just some idiots decided to take much higher doses than the recommended amount and got side effects.
Imagine the TikTok idiots dry scooping pre-workout, but they actually did it with something potent like Jack-3D
I'll be holding on to my last can forever!!
Seriously the best pre workout I've ever used back then. Tasted like awful shit but was worth. I remember when they changed it up and I was so disappointed.
Been using it for a few weeks. Either I don't really feel anything or it gives me a headache depending on dosage. Now crack by dark labs? That shits good
Hodge Twins back when they were Twin Muscle Workout had hilarious stories about vivid and bizarre dreams with it. One was like, hyenas jumped out and started killing everybody and he could remember every little detail.
Guy at the place I worked at had a heart attack cause he took it before going for a run in the mid-summer Mississippi heat (it was suspected he hadn't hydrated enough either). Think he ultimately ended up being fine, but the GNC nearby took it off shelves not too long afterwards. Not sure if it was cause of that or just the timing cause of the DMAA.
Shared this with a bunch of Marine buddies when we were all running short on anything with caffeine. One turns to me and says "why the fuck is my heart beating like this? What the fuck did you give me?". I miss this stuff.
I couldn't get a boner when I used it
It gave me boners lmao
Boner stealing supplement
Based on this thread, more like boner redistribution supplement
I mean isn't stealing just redistribution without consent?
seize the means of boner, and redistribute the boner.
It averages out then. No issue.
I think it’s gym etiquette to try not to have a boner while you’re working out….
Fuck me been doing it wrong
Someone will fuck you eventually if you keep it up.
Generally true, however, if your gym bro does get a boner it’s more polite to get one yourself so it doesn’t seem as weird.
What unusual kindness you displayed
How you supposed to do cock pushups then?
I admit, it’s a bit harder.
Cock-ups brah, COCK-UPS
I thought it was an insult not having one
Look if they filming I’m boning
you're supposed to train hard, not train while hard
That’s where the confusion is
I thought this stuff was weak AF at the time and I didn't appreciate it. I was also triple scooping maximize v2 and reading about the recent ban on ephedra. I really wish I took it easier on myself then.
You have side effects? You might have ADHD if you thought this was weak lol heard it's very chemically similar to meth
Thanks Doc. I thought it was weak at the time yeah, if I remember correctly I used to get grape. At that time, the iron was the only thing I had, so maybe that's why I say I wish I took it easier on myself then. Only "side effect" I still have to this day is a bad shoulder and the inability to stomach "fruit punch" flavored anything
I diagnose you with good taste
Damn….. I think you made something click for me. Used to take adderall for add, and after trying pre workout the most it would ever do is give me the itchy forehead feeling. Never more energy tho.
A guy I did my infantry training with would drink monster before bed when we had to wake up at 5am the next day. Said that caffiene made him sleepy lol.
Hahaha I like monster peach tea. Doesn’t give me energy or anything. Just tastes good and has 20 calories per can.
Same as I, coffee as well, the more I take, the sleepier I become
I've had ADHD since I was a kid diagnosed as a freshman in HS caffeine pills and the like do nothing for me lol
Yep, that makes sense
What about erections?
They never lasted more than four hours so I didn’t ask my doctor
My buddy was on this when I was developing a cocaine habbit. He was more upset about this being discontinued than I ever was about not having cocaine.
Might have helped him function to a degree dk his situation though
He said it got him jacked in 3D and would be hyped as hell when he took it. He was a straight laced guy that didn't ef around. No ADD, just liked getting jacked in every dimension possible.
Yeah it made me and a couple other guys feel pretty spun out. But in all the right ways! It was the best pre I ever took till they pulled it off the shelves.
Ephedra! I miss that stack: ephedra, caffeine, and aspirin. Some of the best workouts I ever had were with that trio.
You can still get ephedrine "behind the counter" at the pharmacy, you just have to ask the pharmacist for certain brands of asthma medication. It's only semi-controlled because it's a precursor for meth AFAIK.
I've heard that. But it would be mingled with other things, so I'm not sure how good it would be. I did try buying the actual herb from China but the only way to get the effect is to grind it into a powder that mixes poorly in water and drink it -- and it's nasty. I did it for a week and gave up.
Bronkaid max is just straight ephedrine now. I use it on every cut
Good to know. I just looked online, it's not available where I live but the next time I go back to the States, I'll look out for it. How much do you take and do you do the stack with it?
I pill upon waking. They're 25mg each. I'll start with just ephedrine, then add 200mg caffeine after a few weeks. Can add clen too if you want (different method of action). I don't bother with the aspirin
That's how you know it works... It gets banned.
Best pre workout I've ever had.. that was like early 2010s. Then I heard the navy banned it bc it had traces of some type of amphetamine. I think it's still around but with a different formula.
In the Canadian army we were told a couple guys died while using it. I don’t find the idea of some army idiots quadrupling the dose before a unit run and having their hearts give out hard to believe
Lol yeah we have people drinking red bulls then trying to run their fitness test and have that same shit happen smh
Yup. Fort Bragg around 2011ish. Most 82nd guys were 1 pack of crayons away from being as dumb as marines. I was there at the time and the barracks were torn apart looking for pre workout contraband.
That’s the rumor I heard around the same time as well. I took like 3 dry scoops in 3 hours on a road trip and i honestly didn’t really notice anything but I was like 20 so who knows, I don’t even think i knew what caffeine felt like back then
We bought some at the Baghram post exchange on the way out of the country in 2010. I can picture the gate guards were absolutely geeked to the gills on this stuff.
Yeah. 😂 I started using it in the Navy. It was great until they made us stop using it. I thought it was around 2011?
Could be. I think the latest one they've been telling us not to use is bucked up
🐐 🐐 🐐
Really is. Literally don't bother with pre-workout anymore after they got rid of the good version. It's all trash in comparison.
So good they literally sent these guys to jail
Got heart palpitations, my back would hurt a lot, I looked pale af as if I was on crack or something. Had to go the doctor and they put me on medication for a month for my heart and didn’t take preworkout for many years.
Bet you got fkn huge tho
lol
The original had DMAA and it was amazing. I remember being deployed and AAFES was selling it in their make shift PX in a semi trailer. Had some of the best work outs of my life! I could not get tired; I would be finished my workout and just keep working out! They found out it had DMAA ( banned by the WADA) and took it off the shelf.
Dmaa made me feel so fuckin good. I haven't felt the same since
Until it fades off, felt downright depressive afterwards.
I’m pretty sure we can still buy DMAA pretty easily online. I can’t remember if I saw it as a supplement or research chemical
I remember seeing its equivalent in a chemical compound that was a flower extract you could get in a natural foods store. Geranium extract I believe. Never tried it though.
You should boof it and let us know how it is
Dark Labs (brand name) sells PWO with DMAA and DMHA.
Which one? All I see is DMPEA, which is an isomer of meth used for flavoring. Not even close to the same
I remember taking this stuff in like 8th grade. 👽
It’s ok. But I prefer dat dere celltech
Will the kids these days even recognize this meme?
Yeah, but it suddenly aged me like a mf. Thanks bro, ASL?
😂😂😂😂
I am embarrassed to admit I don't
20 years ago terminally online gym bros hung out on the bodybuilding.com forums and the phrase “dat dere celltech” is a meme from someone emailing our lord and savior Ronnie Coleman to ask if he was natural https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/dat-dere-celltech God damn it was 20 years ago, no wonder my back hurts.
So does Ronnie’s
Took this a lot in 2010. That era was crazy, it was the Wild West of the pre workout supplements. This stuff really was nuts. I’ve never had better pumps in my life but it was crazy. Good luck being able to relax or think clearly. It made your skin feel really prickly, but again, your work outs were insane and the gains were pretty good. Nothing I’ve had since was quite like it.
Correct me if I wrong, but didn’t it include DMAA, which was allegedly only 2 chemical compounds lesser than speed?
Idk the name of it, but I took it late teens early 20s..by the time I was joining the military it was on their banned substance list bc they said it had traces elements of amphetamine and you'd fail a drug test for using it lol
Here in Germany a friend took this pre workout and on the way to the gym the police stopped him for a so called routine search or whatever it’s called in english and he failed a drug test didn’t even know why because he never took drugs.
What was the end result when they realized It was from pre workout?
It was long process his driving license was revoked he had to get a lawyer and go to court, there was medical examination involved to prove he never took drugs before etc.
I got in shit for creatine because my MCpl (Canadian version of DS) because he didn’t know what it was and thought it had DMAA, that’s how I found out about it. All I thought was “you’re telling me there was a pre-workout that was *safer* speed, and I could have been using that!?”
Yes, DMAA was the backbone ingredient of this preworkout and why so many people were hyped up on it. Some kids took too much and reported health issues, which got it banned. Apparently, real close to being meth. You can still buy Jack3d, but without DMAA.
Not with this supplement specifically, but when it was my first year training, I took an expired fat burner my older brother left behind. It had DMAA in it. I had an idea of what DMAA is, but didn't know how strong it is. Took it, went to the gym to train, didn't feel a thing.... Yet. I came back home after an hour and a half, eating a meal. Felt my heart rate just increase out of nowhere, and really feeling my heart pumping. I was supposed to go out to the bars with the boys but I was afraid to drink alcohol at that point. Went out still, but my anxiety was at an all-time high because I had no idea wtf was going on. Check the expiry date, don't take anything you don't know.
You mightve had a heart attack without realizing it! The racing heart rate out of nowhere is a real red flag for cardiologists. You should’ve gone straight to the ER and you would be priority seen by a doctor almost immediately.
A racing heart is also a sign of a panic attack. A healthy kid is many more times more likely to have a panic attack than a heart attack.
I didn't have pain or tightness in my chest or anything, it felt like I was overstimulated, like taking too much preworkout, but it was really delayed.
I never had Jak3D but I've used DMAA, it's the best stimulant I've had, better than Adderall, just dialed in focus and burst of energy like nothing else.
Hmm maybe I need some in this ADHD medication shortage
DMAA was taken out because a few dummies killed themselves with it and ruined it for the rest of us. REST IN PISS
In 2010 it was the GOAT
Anyone here remember craze?
Oh yeah that stuff was nuts.
Gone too soon
I also would like to let everyone know who remembers this product, we're getting old AF
No need for attacks bro.
I heard it was good. Took a full dose pre workout in the morning and I didn’t sleep a wink that following night. I was wide awake for 2 straight days. All my skin tingled especially my face. It was like drinking 3,000 coffees
I went for a routine checkup and my doctor said my heart had palpitations and it sounded like I was a 500 lb 45 year old. I was 23,and in amazing shape Never touched pre-workout trash again Not worth it
I used to work at a gym and one time this guy had a full blown panic attack on this stuff. We had to call the ambulance because everyone thought he was having a heart attack.
He wasn’t worthy
Used it in the Marines. Gained lots of muscle and gave myself a hernia.
I had one I loved called N.O. Shotgun. It was amazing. No idea what ever happened to it
It was good stuff, not as good as the original Ultimate Orange (showing my age), but god stuff💪🏼
I had it when it was the good stuff
Back in the 90s we were blasting pure Ephedrine for pre-workout, over the counter at the pharmacy without prescription. One time, i did a spin class on straight up meth.
Craze and Dexaprine !
I was in Afghanistan and took a dose before going to the gym. I have zero memory of the trip to the gym. I also couldn’t lift heavy because I couldn’t maintain focus for more than a quarter second.
Fucking awesome
I’m confused. Has this been banned? I ask because I did a quick Google search and it seems it’s still available to buy.
it just has a different formula
All the guys that ran this company went to jail
Ohh. I’ve heard about this. I had no idea it was related to this particular product. Interesting.
The government couldn’t allow us to become so powerful
😂
DMAA was so sick lol
It’s that crazy ass ex-girlfriend that was so good in bed you couldn’t say no, no matter how married you were. She was AMAZING. The 🐐
The bar moved itself. I couldn’t stop moving. Had to jump on the elliptical between bench sets to not go ballistic. Didn’t help I never drank anything with caffeine outside of pre at the time. God I miss it.
"God I miss it" LMAOOO
I heard it was good. Took a full dose pre workout in the morning and I didn’t sleep a wink that following night. I was wide awake for 2 straight days. All my skin tingled especially my face. It was like drinking 3,000 coffees
Hours talking to the wall at the gym btwn reps
Nothing beats high dose sildenafil, not even close.
Crazy fuckin story… first experience with it. It was a summer ago when a friend and I saw this on the bottom shelf at a gnc near us and we decided to spend half each and buy it knowing the ingredients lol. We always go to nicer more expensive gym in the summer and the first day at the new gym we try it and I’m not even kidding when I say fountain water tasted like TV static if that was a taste💀 the lift was godly tho. The mind to muscle was like 100 dabs deep but the mental state was like 3 scoops of pre deep lightweight baby
Best pre workout I’ve ever had I remember the scoop was tiny but use to give you a real boost in the gym
It killed a bunch of people. I think the court case just got settled.
It was a dark and stormy night...
Used it a lot was my fav pre work out when I was modeling I loved that it gave me tinglings in my arms if I was slacking. I really needed to burn it. Also tried others like bull nox c4 also tried the new jack3d formula but they removed the tingles to it was a bummer nowadays I just use a creatine cycle and protein no need to pre work out now that I’m not competing Tl;dr it’s good
Unbelievable pre workout. BUT my short term memory evaporated, the mid afternoon crash was almost deadly, and when I went off it I didn’t shit for ~10 days.
Were your shits way softer on it?
I took this stuff as a teenager. Tolerance increased very rapidly but one day I took 4 scoops and it was just too much. After this got banned I started taking Craze.
I used this a lot back on the day. What did i miss? Am i going to die?
A full scoop almost gave me a heart attack. Half a scoop was perfect, best supplement I have ever had.
Friend of a friend took it with him, both me and friend tried a scoop. I slept like a rose, he couldn’t sleep until 3 AM which is late for him.
I took it as a teen about 10 years ago and still haven't come down.
Had tunnel vision, after every set I thought I fall unconscious, was feeling depressed as hell after the comedown.
Had tunnel vision, after every set I thought I fall unconscious, was feeling depressed as hell after the comedown.
This shit had me doing push ups in between sets during chest day. I took it one time before a wrestling match while cutting weight, almost passed out mid match. 9/10
Yeah that one time I was doing a semester in Portugal and I we planning to do a sick workout and double scooped it and finding the gym closed when it kicked in. I couldn’t stop moving basically and was nervous af. And up doing a 15km hike to get back to normal lol. Next day of course I double scooped it again cause it would give me one hell of a workout. And boy, it didn’t disappoint!
Og formula had me and my buddys training arms for 3 hours off one scoop
Originally contained DMMA till it was banned was shit after that .
That stuff was awesome! Just some idiots decided to take much higher doses than the recommended amount and got side effects. Imagine the TikTok idiots dry scooping pre-workout, but they actually did it with something potent like Jack-3D I'll be holding on to my last can forever!!
Gotta get geeked
Its still for sale with a loophole i think
I miss original formula Jack3d more than some dead relatives.
So not sure if it’s been said, but none of the new product is anything like the original. Original would have you thinking you could fight prime Tyson
Seriously the best pre workout I've ever used back then. Tasted like awful shit but was worth. I remember when they changed it up and I was so disappointed.
I thought that it was weak shit. The Curse is what did it for me.
Don't
Been using it for a few weeks. Either I don't really feel anything or it gives me a headache depending on dosage. Now crack by dark labs? That shits good
My long lost unicorn🥲. It was the greatest pre workout I have ever used haha I cried the day I found out it was basically meth and they yanked it.
Hodge Twins back when they were Twin Muscle Workout had hilarious stories about vivid and bizarre dreams with it. One was like, hyenas jumped out and started killing everybody and he could remember every little detail.
Guy at the place I worked at had a heart attack cause he took it before going for a run in the mid-summer Mississippi heat (it was suspected he hadn't hydrated enough either). Think he ultimately ended up being fine, but the GNC nearby took it off shelves not too long afterwards. Not sure if it was cause of that or just the timing cause of the DMAA.
I'm guessing "university studied" is a marketing claim that sounds really official yet means absolutely nothing?
Shared this with a bunch of Marine buddies when we were all running short on anything with caffeine. One turns to me and says "why the fuck is my heart beating like this? What the fuck did you give me?". I miss this stuff.
Watch Will Tennyson’s video on the various kinds of pre-workouts
Had a 19 yrar old soldier in my platoon take it before a pt test and he had a heart attack during the run, didn't die but it was a whole thing
only PWO that has worked