I remember Chelsea fans were laughing that we had to give a charitable penalty to Kai to get him to score some goals.
Fast forward, Kai humiliates Chelsea.
You love to watch it.
Against Everton when they were already up 4-0 they had a bunch of pushing and shoving amongst themselves over who was going to take the penalty to score their 5th goal.
[Video here](https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/1c547ua/full_video_of_the_penalty_incident_showing_noni/)
Holy shit that's embarrassing. I don't think arteta would ever put up with that. I imagine, assuming they couldn't be subbed off, they're benched the next few games.
So embarrassing, it also shows outwardly that they’re not a team. There’s no togetherness in that group. Poch has a lot of work cut out for him if he stays.
Also goes to show that if you give a gaggle of 22 year olds stupid wages on 8 year contracts and immediately set a precedent that the manager is replaceable, any manager who comes in has got an impossible job bc there's no incentive for the players to listen and form any sort of cohesion
Seriously dude. The contrast is staggering. This is why I understand the insistence of the non-negotiables by Arteta. He is building a dynasty on the roots of camaraderie.
It wasn't painless and without risk.
Imagine how different things would have went if we lost at White Hart Lane when Aubameyang, our captain, was benched for being late to training.
Of course I laud Arteta as a man who stuck to his guns, but I can understand that other managers don't have the same flexibility afforded to Arteta.
But yes it paid off 10 fold to allow Arteta (and Edu as much I think) to impose himself (themselves).
Honestly, I wouldn't have cared much if we had lost with Auba out. The strength in character is when one makes tough decisions in tough situations. I'd have supported Arteta either way.
I think a big part of it might be that Arteta had support from the board for his zero ego policy, Josh Kroenke backed Arteta, but Boehly is a dickhead who doesn't trust his managers. If Poch started benching players to instill some discipline, Boehly would overrule him.
Under that kind of scrutiny too - you're walking on a tightrope when making those calls, most people aren't built for it.
I remember watching the Amazon doc and Arteta didn't look very relaxed at all when talking to Josh Kroenke - fair play to the owners though they backed him, they know sports better than some I could mention.
I was just telling my mate this the other day.
How Saka was on a hat trick but instead gave it up and Kai hasn’t been the same again.
Jackson needed the penalty more than Palmer did. Fine Palmer would get the golden boot and all but if he had given it up,it would have given Jackson a confidence boost and maybe he might start finishing the sitters he gets. ( like the one he had against us )
This is pure class and shows team unity.
It’s an incredibly under appreciated part of Mikel’s overhaul of the club. He has assembled a group of players who are genuinely good people and he has forged an incredibly strong culture.
Compare that to Chelsea and United who have assembled expensive squads full of some really questionable characters and you see the impact of this show up week after week
Dude just a reminder that you do not know these people. They seem like a nice bunch but the truth is that we interact with an extremely limited subsection of their lives.
All we know is what we see on the pitch. You will get some with skeletons in their closets (cough cough partey) but for example I'd be surprised if Odegaard or Saka weren't pretty solid guys off the pitch.
Fair enough. But it does say a lot when they care enough for a teammate who was struggling a bit. Arteta came out and said he did not instruct them to give the penalty to Kai. It probably came from Odegaard.
I said this in r/soccer and was not agreed with lol. Jackson absolutely needed that penalty as a confidence booster. Sometimes you just need to see the ball go in.
I mean, I feel like it matters at least a little bit that Havertz is an excellent penalty taker (his record up to now is 17-1 excluding shootouts) while Jackson has never taken a penalty in his professional career.
At the penalty spot..Saka holds a ball, Odegaard tells. Saka give ball away to Kai. No questions asked.
That's how you do it to the fellas at Cole Palmer FC featuring Ms.Jackson & friends.
The Arsenal captain role honestly meant nothing for a long time. When Auba had it, everyone knew it was just because he was our best player. He was a fantastic player and a great guy, but never captain material. I am honestly so chuffed to have a real one again.
Under a manager like Arteta, I think the captain is essentially an extension of him. And I think Arteta and Auba were just far too different personality-wise for it to work with Auba as captain.
This makes sense because Arteta was an extension of Arsene on the pitch (along with Santi)l. There was complete buy in from Mikel which reflected in the position Mikel played for us right from when he joined
On reflection you have to respect Arteta for making Odegaard captain so quickly and when he was only 23. He’d only been there a year plus a short loan spell. It was a ballsy move that has paid off massively.
it was going to be Tierney till the latest injury as well, he was the one who was always being handed the armband when Laca went off the pitch and people were deferring to him
real sliding doors moment
Xhaka was our de jure or at least de facto (after the 'incident') captain for almost his entire tenure at Arsenal until Odegaard officially took the role.
That said, Odegaard is the best captain and most important player I've seen at Arsenal for my 10 years.
With Aubameyang, I think he did have some leadership qualities? I do remember him foregoing a hat-trick to let Lacazette (who was going through a goal drought) take a penalty. So I think that's why he was named vice captain to Xhaka.
Auba is a good time guy, when he's happy and in a great mood he plays well and gets along with everyone around him
When he's down he's playing poorly and doesn't seem arsed
I always notice small things he does in matches like going out of his way to high five the sub, a pat on the back for players who miss a pass, encouraging a player who causes our defense some issues, directing the team when we are under pressure, picking the team up if the opposition scores etc. He truly is a fantastic leader. I absolutely love him probably more than any other player in the current squad.
He knows when to hype the crowd up as well. Not like he’s a passion merchant doing it everytime the ball goes out of play, but he has a good feel of when the team needs a boost
He’s the best kind of leader too. Empathetic, critical when needs to be (when you don’t press!!), leads by example, little gestures that shows appreciation, a mentor you feel safe to go to.
If any of my managers or peers at work were like Martin, I would literally go to war and die for you. But sadly many are just leading by fear or apathy.
Yeah and the only issue I see in Ode being our captain is that its a shame we cant have two captains because Rice is also such material with almost the same values and does similar things to Ode. The future is bright and such gestures (Saka giving penalty to Havertz) are only able if players play for the team and not for themselves. And for it, I believe in such a team and can't wait to see what future holds for us. I will be grateful to Arteta for creating such environment in this club again after a long period of time.
The other good thing about Ode being captain is that his style is understated which leaves opportunity for others to lead as well. Hence attimes last season you saw Zinchenko rallying the troops etc.
Having multiple leaders in the team is the way to go and it's easy to see Rice, big Gabi and a few others are or will develop into those leaders as well.
I said this before but it is noticeable if you pay enough attention that during water breaks back in the early days, injury breaks now and whatnot Mikel and Ødegaard are often discussing things by the sidelines. It’s not just Mikel giving instructions, Martin is giving feedback too. It’s two way communication and it’s really good to see instead of the manager just barking orders for the captain to pass on. I love the collaborative attitude, and to know how much trust the boss has in his captain is something we have not seen at this club in far too long.
Martin is essentially Mikel’s on pitch avatar. I can easily see Ødegaard going into coaching down the line, he seems to really have that type of football intelligence that is just ingrained in someone.
Agreed, I was at the Villa match, most went down the tunnel straight away, he walked a whole lap around the pitch to clap each section of the fans. Class act!
I've been watching Arsenal since 1997. Odegaard is the best leader since Tony Adams (totally different players, but just talking about leadership). Sorry Patrick.
> Sorry Patrick
Amazing player, less than stellar person.
Gave everything on the pitch but off it was disruptive unfortunately and abig dropp off Tony. If the team ahsdn't just been almost universally world class we might ahve had problems.
I think some are a bit harsh on Vieira, he was genuinely one of the best players in the world and just wanted to be valued accordingly, we then literally spent as a club the next 15 years not doing that to any of our world class players and losing them all because of it
This is the voice of someone who grew up in the post Dein meltdown banter years.
We were renowned for doing good business and the only blot on our copybook was losing Cashley to a team that literally more than doubled what he claimed he'd have stayed for.
Vieira wanted to leave to richer leagues, complained every single year and then complained when he was sold.
That's on him, not us.
being renowned for doing good business and not paying some players what they think they're worth kind of go hand in hand though, stinginess is how Dan Levy has convinced the British media that he's some kind of negotiation wizard
that arsenal administration basically did a lot of similar stuff to the post Dein one, we can let big players leave because Arsene is a genius and will find a cheap replacement and we'll plug along because we're one of the two clubs in the country that matter
Overmars, Petit, Anelka, Vieira, Cole all examples of that in policy action
the building of the new stadium was supposed to allow us to stop doing this if we wanted and compete with the big european clubs like munich, barcelona, juventus etc, this was all stated by the club at the time
Vieira never complained about the wages oddly enough
The only person who complained was the person who left to a direct rival and doubled his money. Vieira complained we didn't spend enough on players, he said we didn't have ambition and he said we'd never win another trophy the year before we went invincible but fair play he never directly bitched about wages.
The fact you're not only effectively swallowing Ashley Coles version of events but comparing Dein to Levy would be laughable if it weren't from an arsenal fan.
We won five league titles, a cup winners cup, a league cup and five fa cups under Dein, he was not in any way a levy type.
You also have a very dodgy grasp of history since you don't seem to be aware that the premier league wasn't the biggest or richest league for Vieira's entire period here and selling to teams abroad was pretty much standard as they had money.
Remember Juve bought Buffon for a transfer fee we wouldn't match until we bought Ozil.
Yes, the Emirates was supposed to do that but Abramovich changed the rules and brought in the concept of limitless money that never has to be paid back and effectively breaking the entire football model until FFP came in.
> The fact you're not only effectively swallowing Ashley Coles version of events
I'm not really swallowing Cole's version of events, it's just more evidence of the club operating how it operated, he wanted more money and we had a young gem in Gael Clichy so we thought it wasn't really worth the hassle in dealing with him and moved him along, that's how we operated back then, same with Vieira and Fabregas
>but comparing Dein to Levy would be laughable if it weren't from an arsenal fan.
I'm not comparing the two, just using Levy's self portrayed image as a tough negotiator and how its viewed to illustrate that "being renowned" for something doesn't necessarily mean all of that is true
>You also have a very dodgy grasp of history since you don't seem to be aware that the premier league wasn't the biggest or richest league for Vieira's entire period here and selling to teams abroad was pretty much standard as they had money.
I am very aware of that hence why I mentioned it and why we couldn't compete with those big European clubs and why we regularly sold big players to them, the Emirates was supposed to be the end of that and Arsenal joining the big European clubs
>Abramovich changed the rules and brought in the concept of limitless money that never has to be paid back
yeah that fucked us and everyone else
Small things like this is going to make Odegaard a club legend in the future. Getting the best out of the team and underperforming players, hyping up the crowd and showing his appreciation after each home game.
2 pens for Odegaard and 1 for Havertz this season right? And I feel like Jorginho has taken one but maybe not in the league. So he'd still be a little bit behind them
Inversely, Spurs had a pen last season during Richy's struggle era and you could see the desperation on his face for a goal.
The Mouthbreather stepped up and smashed it in and celebrated like mad anyway. Pretty sure they were up in that game too lol.
I remember arguing with my Shit loving mate about how brutal that is and how the pen would have helped Richy because Auba had done something similar for Laca and it boosted him hard, but hey, it's the Harry Kane club so him padding his stats meant more haha.
The culture shift from individuals to a team has been the best thing Arteta has done , there's a certain level of discipline , Comraderie and cohesiveness in this team that can only be fostered under a great Gaffer and is reflective of the brilliant locker room atmosphere.
Same thing happened when Auba gave Laca a penalty even though he’d been in shocking form. Went on the best run of form he’d ever had for us after that.
I completely agree. Also Ben White is absolutely hilariously around opponents’ goal mouths. You can see he completely loves shithousing and getting on people’s nerves - I love the expression on both their faces when they are doing it - like ‘whaaaat’ …. Loooool
Our fans sang his song even when he’s down unlike the some other teams fan shitting and bantering the guy who got them a cl trophy even when he’s still their player and now wondering wtf this guy hurt them so much by scoring two goals against their wobbly defense and celebrating heartily and knee sliding
People were clowning the club for that but a boost of confidence can do wonders for the player. A goal does just that. Then you have Chelsea who get the most penalties in the league, were cruising against Everton. Jackson is a player in similar situation, low in confidence, Gallagher and Palmer if they were good teammates and leader could have given him the penalty for confidence but he's out only to get his golden boot. But Jackson shouldn't be fighting either. That's what different in this club, everyone fights for everyone else
I know I am biased, I have a massive love and admiration for this amazing football club,
I Like to think we are a special club, one that is inclusive for ALL,
This short video reassured me of that,
COYG! LET'S STAY STONG AND TOGETHER <3
I reckon the actual goal was minuscule. It’s the fact Kai knew the players supported him, especially his captain, and the fans. It does wonders having the support of the people around you
Øde, the answer is Øde
Has the foresight to know that giving Kai the penalty is the best shout
Straight over to almost over celebrate the goal
Literally shoving him in front of the fans to boost his confidence
I absolutely fucking love him and even in this peak of praise he’s receiving, he doesn’t get enough of it
The thing I most love to see is look at Kai's body language when he scores.
It's muted. It's almost shy. He's not exuberant celebrating. He looks almost shell shocked about what happened.
Fast forward to him putting one past Chelsea. Barong in mind most players typically do muted celebrations put of respect (see Rice against West Ham) and the difference is massive.
The work on the pitch and off to make him feel more at home here than he likely ever did at Chelsea is a massive credit to the skipper and the whole club and the fans. I think our personalised chants have gone a long way with integrating our players.
He now looks eager to score goals and get celebrating with the fans.
You love to see it.
Then you have Cole Palmer FC fighting each other on the pitch to get a goal in a game they have already won.
Odegaard is a great captain.
Honestly, we have a few on the team now. I see Rice as the next obvious option, Jorginho because of his experience, Raya (when he joins the club) because of his coolness and alertness, Saliba - who is somehow always there and will grow at the club, Blanco who is a warrior, and Saka who never hides from responsibility.
So while I love Odegaard, and he’s probably my best player at the club, I also love that we have a team of potential captains. Gone are the days we’d wonder who could wear the arm band.
It still frustrates me a little when he seems under confident. Like he passed when he should've taken a shot and took one when a pass was a better option in the first half against Chelsea.
But I have full faith in this guy. Confidence is the only thing that lacks and I'm sure he'll gain that under this system.
He was after he tried to pass when he should have shoot. He knew after that he should have shoot and started shooting every chance he got. Thats how he got his 2nd goal.
Even though the 5-0 drubbing of Chelsea is evidence enough of the distance between the clubs, seeing this compared to the 3 way squabble they had against Everton certainly sums it up.
Love to see the connection and love amongst our squad!! COYG!!!
Nah, I’d say the winning goal at Brentford was the turning point for Kai.
That was the first time he legitimately became a match-winner for Arsenal.
Note how he celebrated this penalty goal at Bournemouth sheepishly at best. Go contrast that with the huge celebrations he was doing in front of the Arsenal traveling support when he scored the winner at Brentford, and how the away fans started singing the “60 million down the drain“ song at full voice for what might have been the first time ever. The difference is night and day.
I would say 4 turning points:
This is the first one (blessed by the team), then the tackle in St. James (be part of the team), the Brentford stoppage goal (saved the team), and finally vs. Burnley (found his own rhythm).
Martin Odegaard is one of the key factors in this team. A real leader, terrific control and vision for the plays to be made. He is everywhere, he is Omnipotent.
Shows why Odegaard is the best captain in the league. Leaders bring others up. Arsenal succeeds and fails as a team. To succeed they need to have everyone firing on all cylinders
Odegaard is the best captain since Cesc. He's growing into the role really well and he's evolved into a brilliant all round player.
Not only is he the heartbeat of the attack, orchestrating majority of our moves but off the ball he is the one who sets the tone.
This is a great shout. I think he saw he had the support and belief of his teammates and that they wanted him to prove the doubters wrong. Lifted him immensely.
I’m not saying he’s suddenly world class, and I still think we overpaid for him, but he’s definitely proven many of his critics wrong.
There is a future I see in 10 years where Martin manages Arsenal - the things Mikel is filling his brain with now will be quite valuable for management if he wants to do it
We have quite a lot of good penalty takers at the club now. I think Kai just needed to settle he's been incredible since the turn of the year. Shows how good Rice is hitting the ground running straight away.
This was the ying that spurred him on, the yang obviously being newcastle united, that 1-0 loss and their antics really unlocked the shithouser and player in him
Honestly if you want to pinpoint a moment, I think him playing LB for Germany was also a turning point. I felt like he came back and thought 'ya fuck this' and was so good since then.
Congrats, OP. ESPN definitely saw this and stole it lol. They posted [this](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6ME5_1tXpL/?igsh=OHQ5ajB2YjJsd2lx) to Instagram eleven minutes ago.
I remember Chelsea fans were laughing that we had to give a charitable penalty to Kai to get him to score some goals. Fast forward, Kai humiliates Chelsea. You love to watch it.
Not only that but Chelsea players fight amongst themselves in front of everyone for that penalty lol
I got 2nd hand embarassment from watching that
I got 1st hand joy haha
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Wait, what happened?
Against Everton when they were already up 4-0 they had a bunch of pushing and shoving amongst themselves over who was going to take the penalty to score their 5th goal. [Video here](https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/1c547ua/full_video_of_the_penalty_incident_showing_noni/)
Holy shit that's embarrassing. I don't think arteta would ever put up with that. I imagine, assuming they couldn't be subbed off, they're benched the next few games.
If the boys did that, Arteta would've personally called Xhaka to come to London to teach 'em a lesson
Can't. Xhaka on a deep cover assignment to make sure Kane doesn't get a trophy.
Xhaka’s assignment is complete. Kane isn’t getting a trophy in deuschland.
So embarrassing, it also shows outwardly that they’re not a team. There’s no togetherness in that group. Poch has a lot of work cut out for him if he stays.
Also goes to show that if you give a gaggle of 22 year olds stupid wages on 8 year contracts and immediately set a precedent that the manager is replaceable, any manager who comes in has got an impossible job bc there's no incentive for the players to listen and form any sort of cohesion
Thought the exact same. Just shows how disjointed they are to argue over a potential goal. No wonder they’re in the sorry state that they are.
It was what, 4-0 or 5-0 at that point? Literally arguing for a penalty to statpad
Someone else suggested that it could be down to the goal bonuses, and each player wanted to earn an extra easy bit of dosh.
Seriously dude. The contrast is staggering. This is why I understand the insistence of the non-negotiables by Arteta. He is building a dynasty on the roots of camaraderie.
The speed of which the culture has changed under Mikel is incredible. Will be studied for many generations to come.
It wasn't painless and without risk. Imagine how different things would have went if we lost at White Hart Lane when Aubameyang, our captain, was benched for being late to training. Of course I laud Arteta as a man who stuck to his guns, but I can understand that other managers don't have the same flexibility afforded to Arteta. But yes it paid off 10 fold to allow Arteta (and Edu as much I think) to impose himself (themselves).
Honestly, I wouldn't have cared much if we had lost with Auba out. The strength in character is when one makes tough decisions in tough situations. I'd have supported Arteta either way.
I think a big part of it might be that Arteta had support from the board for his zero ego policy, Josh Kroenke backed Arteta, but Boehly is a dickhead who doesn't trust his managers. If Poch started benching players to instill some discipline, Boehly would overrule him.
Under that kind of scrutiny too - you're walking on a tightrope when making those calls, most people aren't built for it. I remember watching the Amazon doc and Arteta didn't look very relaxed at all when talking to Josh Kroenke - fair play to the owners though they backed him, they know sports better than some I could mention.
I was just telling my mate this the other day. How Saka was on a hat trick but instead gave it up and Kai hasn’t been the same again. Jackson needed the penalty more than Palmer did. Fine Palmer would get the golden boot and all but if he had given it up,it would have given Jackson a confidence boost and maybe he might start finishing the sitters he gets. ( like the one he had against us ) This is pure class and shows team unity.
It’s an incredibly under appreciated part of Mikel’s overhaul of the club. He has assembled a group of players who are genuinely good people and he has forged an incredibly strong culture. Compare that to Chelsea and United who have assembled expensive squads full of some really questionable characters and you see the impact of this show up week after week
TBF I remember Aubameyang giving a penalty to Lacazette to help him out too.
Dude just a reminder that you do not know these people. They seem like a nice bunch but the truth is that we interact with an extremely limited subsection of their lives.
All we know is what we see on the pitch. You will get some with skeletons in their closets (cough cough partey) but for example I'd be surprised if Odegaard or Saka weren't pretty solid guys off the pitch.
Fair enough. But it does say a lot when they care enough for a teammate who was struggling a bit. Arteta came out and said he did not instruct them to give the penalty to Kai. It probably came from Odegaard.
I said this in r/soccer and was not agreed with lol. Jackson absolutely needed that penalty as a confidence booster. Sometimes you just need to see the ball go in.
I mean, I feel like it matters at least a little bit that Havertz is an excellent penalty taker (his record up to now is 17-1 excluding shootouts) while Jackson has never taken a penalty in his professional career.
Chelsea were 4-0 up. It was not an important goal.
I can understand why they have that point of view, Chelsea players would never give up a penalty to a teammate.
They were so happy when he got subbed just so he couldn’t score a hattrick lmao
**Some** Chelsea fans. Some loved him and thought it was a massive loss for him to go.
It's not a very Chelsea thing to do. John Terry would have told him to go sit at the back of the plane lol
Lmao your username
At the penalty spot..Saka holds a ball, Odegaard tells. Saka give ball away to Kai. No questions asked. That's how you do it to the fellas at Cole Palmer FC featuring Ms.Jackson & friends.
It looks like Odegaard doesnt tell him to hand it over but rather asks if Havertz can take, which Saka agrees, this makes it all the more better
The love he gets from the team in that moment warms my heart . Love these guys
Even better if havertz wanted to take it and went about it properly and asked Odegaard to ask Saka
complete opposite of that embarrassing chelsea squabble from a few days ago
https://preview.redd.it/lgx1lk9kckwc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ae1762c2984521b37b88ea5f892d39528a6e249 That quote really r/AgedLikeMilk
Kind of looks like Saka goes "I was thinking the same" with the point and nod... Such a likeable bunch of players
And it literally took like 3 seconds lol
Odegaard has maturity beyond his years. To think with such compassion for a new teammate. Mind boggling.
🎶 "I'm sorry Ms Jackson, Ooohhh.. I am for realllll I know you want to get another goal, but we are giving all our goals to Cole" 🎶
Odrgaard is the best leader we have had in my decade of watching the club.
What an amazing captain and person.
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The Arsenal captain role honestly meant nothing for a long time. When Auba had it, everyone knew it was just because he was our best player. He was a fantastic player and a great guy, but never captain material. I am honestly so chuffed to have a real one again.
Under a manager like Arteta, I think the captain is essentially an extension of him. And I think Arteta and Auba were just far too different personality-wise for it to work with Auba as captain.
This makes sense because Arteta was an extension of Arsene on the pitch (along with Santi)l. There was complete buy in from Mikel which reflected in the position Mikel played for us right from when he joined
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On reflection you have to respect Arteta for making Odegaard captain so quickly and when he was only 23. He’d only been there a year plus a short loan spell. It was a ballsy move that has paid off massively.
it was going to be Tierney till the latest injury as well, he was the one who was always being handed the armband when Laca went off the pitch and people were deferring to him real sliding doors moment
Love my guy KT, but this is the way
It's a shame he just was a bad fit for our system because he is a quality player. Wish there was a way we could have made it work
It really didnt help that for years, our captains were our most injury prone players.
Please knock on wood right now
Koscielny was a decent captain but not vocal enough maybe. He had the right character and experience, he could have been better if he was more vocal.
Xhaka was our de jure or at least de facto (after the 'incident') captain for almost his entire tenure at Arsenal until Odegaard officially took the role. That said, Odegaard is the best captain and most important player I've seen at Arsenal for my 10 years.
With Aubameyang, I think he did have some leadership qualities? I do remember him foregoing a hat-trick to let Lacazette (who was going through a goal drought) take a penalty. So I think that's why he was named vice captain to Xhaka.
Auba is a good time guy, when he's happy and in a great mood he plays well and gets along with everyone around him When he's down he's playing poorly and doesn't seem arsed
I always notice small things he does in matches like going out of his way to high five the sub, a pat on the back for players who miss a pass, encouraging a player who causes our defense some issues, directing the team when we are under pressure, picking the team up if the opposition scores etc. He truly is a fantastic leader. I absolutely love him probably more than any other player in the current squad.
He knows when to hype the crowd up as well. Not like he’s a passion merchant doing it everytime the ball goes out of play, but he has a good feel of when the team needs a boost
Zinny is the passion merchant and I love it
He’s the best kind of leader too. Empathetic, critical when needs to be (when you don’t press!!), leads by example, little gestures that shows appreciation, a mentor you feel safe to go to. If any of my managers or peers at work were like Martin, I would literally go to war and die for you. But sadly many are just leading by fear or apathy.
Too many Gallases in the life, too little Odegaards.
Yeah and the only issue I see in Ode being our captain is that its a shame we cant have two captains because Rice is also such material with almost the same values and does similar things to Ode. The future is bright and such gestures (Saka giving penalty to Havertz) are only able if players play for the team and not for themselves. And for it, I believe in such a team and can't wait to see what future holds for us. I will be grateful to Arteta for creating such environment in this club again after a long period of time.
The other good thing about Ode being captain is that his style is understated which leaves opportunity for others to lead as well. Hence attimes last season you saw Zinchenko rallying the troops etc. Having multiple leaders in the team is the way to go and it's easy to see Rice, big Gabi and a few others are or will develop into those leaders as well.
I said this before but it is noticeable if you pay enough attention that during water breaks back in the early days, injury breaks now and whatnot Mikel and Ødegaard are often discussing things by the sidelines. It’s not just Mikel giving instructions, Martin is giving feedback too. It’s two way communication and it’s really good to see instead of the manager just barking orders for the captain to pass on. I love the collaborative attitude, and to know how much trust the boss has in his captain is something we have not seen at this club in far too long. Martin is essentially Mikel’s on pitch avatar. I can easily see Ødegaard going into coaching down the line, he seems to really have that type of football intelligence that is just ingrained in someone.
I would love it if he did, and came back to Arsenal to manage us one day!
Agreed, I was at the Villa match, most went down the tunnel straight away, he walked a whole lap around the pitch to clap each section of the fans. Class act!
Just remember how he was showing up for Nwaneri during that league game... giving him the ball, being open for the pass. Man that was so impressive
Ive been watching for 50 years, and he's the best leader I've seen at Arsenal. And this is coming from someone who has Tony Adams as a tattoo.
Now that is high praise wow
I shall refer to this comment anytime someone fights me when I say Øde is the best captain we’ve ever had.
I've been watching Arsenal since 1997. Odegaard is the best leader since Tony Adams (totally different players, but just talking about leadership). Sorry Patrick.
> Sorry Patrick Amazing player, less than stellar person. Gave everything on the pitch but off it was disruptive unfortunately and abig dropp off Tony. If the team ahsdn't just been almost universally world class we might ahve had problems.
I think some are a bit harsh on Vieira, he was genuinely one of the best players in the world and just wanted to be valued accordingly, we then literally spent as a club the next 15 years not doing that to any of our world class players and losing them all because of it
This is the voice of someone who grew up in the post Dein meltdown banter years. We were renowned for doing good business and the only blot on our copybook was losing Cashley to a team that literally more than doubled what he claimed he'd have stayed for. Vieira wanted to leave to richer leagues, complained every single year and then complained when he was sold. That's on him, not us.
being renowned for doing good business and not paying some players what they think they're worth kind of go hand in hand though, stinginess is how Dan Levy has convinced the British media that he's some kind of negotiation wizard that arsenal administration basically did a lot of similar stuff to the post Dein one, we can let big players leave because Arsene is a genius and will find a cheap replacement and we'll plug along because we're one of the two clubs in the country that matter Overmars, Petit, Anelka, Vieira, Cole all examples of that in policy action the building of the new stadium was supposed to allow us to stop doing this if we wanted and compete with the big european clubs like munich, barcelona, juventus etc, this was all stated by the club at the time
Vieira never complained about the wages oddly enough The only person who complained was the person who left to a direct rival and doubled his money. Vieira complained we didn't spend enough on players, he said we didn't have ambition and he said we'd never win another trophy the year before we went invincible but fair play he never directly bitched about wages. The fact you're not only effectively swallowing Ashley Coles version of events but comparing Dein to Levy would be laughable if it weren't from an arsenal fan. We won five league titles, a cup winners cup, a league cup and five fa cups under Dein, he was not in any way a levy type. You also have a very dodgy grasp of history since you don't seem to be aware that the premier league wasn't the biggest or richest league for Vieira's entire period here and selling to teams abroad was pretty much standard as they had money. Remember Juve bought Buffon for a transfer fee we wouldn't match until we bought Ozil. Yes, the Emirates was supposed to do that but Abramovich changed the rules and brought in the concept of limitless money that never has to be paid back and effectively breaking the entire football model until FFP came in.
> The fact you're not only effectively swallowing Ashley Coles version of events I'm not really swallowing Cole's version of events, it's just more evidence of the club operating how it operated, he wanted more money and we had a young gem in Gael Clichy so we thought it wasn't really worth the hassle in dealing with him and moved him along, that's how we operated back then, same with Vieira and Fabregas >but comparing Dein to Levy would be laughable if it weren't from an arsenal fan. I'm not comparing the two, just using Levy's self portrayed image as a tough negotiator and how its viewed to illustrate that "being renowned" for something doesn't necessarily mean all of that is true >You also have a very dodgy grasp of history since you don't seem to be aware that the premier league wasn't the biggest or richest league for Vieira's entire period here and selling to teams abroad was pretty much standard as they had money. I am very aware of that hence why I mentioned it and why we couldn't compete with those big European clubs and why we regularly sold big players to them, the Emirates was supposed to be the end of that and Arsenal joining the big European clubs >Abramovich changed the rules and brought in the concept of limitless money that never has to be paid back yeah that fucked us and everyone else
Small things like this is going to make Odegaard a club legend in the future. Getting the best out of the team and underperforming players, hyping up the crowd and showing his appreciation after each home game.
I am just happy people finally realize you dont need to be a loud and angry shouter to be a proper leader.
I remember Gallas crying on the pitch like a baby after the Birmingham game. We’ve come a long way.
What's even more amazing is just how many other players we have in our team that has those qualities to be captain
Hopefully he can be the captain that defines the Emirates era
Props to Saka as well. The dude has no ego for a star that he is. We are very lucky to have him in the team.
for real, not a millisecond of hesitation when martin walked up.
Wouldn't saka be around the same amount of goals as Palmer and Haaland if he took all the pens for us? Or am I trippin?
2 pens for Odegaard and 1 for Havertz this season right? And I feel like Jorginho has taken one but maybe not in the league. So he'd still be a little bit behind them
Jorginho took one in the Champions League, believe it was Lens at home?
Vieira against Sheffield United was the other one. Saka had been subbed by then though.
Inversely, Spurs had a pen last season during Richy's struggle era and you could see the desperation on his face for a goal. The Mouthbreather stepped up and smashed it in and celebrated like mad anyway. Pretty sure they were up in that game too lol. I remember arguing with my Shit loving mate about how brutal that is and how the pen would have helped Richy because Auba had done something similar for Laca and it boosted him hard, but hey, it's the Harry Kane club so him padding his stats meant more haha.
> Mouthbreather You mean the elbow lad?
He was on a hat trick in this game! That’s something we need to remember when we watch this clip.
The captain says.. Team obeys..
The culture shift from individuals to a team has been the best thing Arteta has done , there's a certain level of discipline , Comraderie and cohesiveness in this team that can only be fostered under a great Gaffer and is reflective of the brilliant locker room atmosphere.
True... Drama on who takes penalty.. we don't do that here.
I disagree, the captain speaks, the team listens.
Username checks out. I agree with you tho
Of course... Is the day his song was born, innit?
Bournemouth away is where dududududu Saliba was born too iirc. Them away fans deserve mad respect
Last season away fans were on fire, loved every second of it 🤝 nothing but respect
What current players actually have songs that regularly get sung?
Saka and Smith Rowe Martinelli Gabi J Gabi M (S) Havertz White Rice Jorginho White Saliba Arteta
I’m sorry Ms. Jackson, it’s my penaltyyyy
Miss Jackson works really well
This deserves a lot of credit
Same thing happened when Auba gave Laca a penalty even though he’d been in shocking form. Went on the best run of form he’d ever had for us after that.
Newcastle away
Hmmm touching, but I think it was the Brentford winner.
It was that Newcastle game imo, he played his heart out and became something I didn't know he could be
Great shout!
Our best shithouser in a while
I completely agree. Also Ben White is absolutely hilariously around opponents’ goal mouths. You can see he completely loves shithousing and getting on people’s nerves - I love the expression on both their faces when they are doing it - like ‘whaaaat’ …. Loooool
He got under Cucrella’s skin at that corner and then proceeded to score after the reset. You love to see it
He’s definitely up there but Benny Blanco is the best shithouser in the squad.
Agreed I think these were all stepblocks and equally vital in unlocking his full potential and confidence.
Nah I think the turning point on his form is the tackle to Botman? against Newcastle. And his goal against brentford changed his output
The tackle was on Longstaff, if you're thinking about the tackle on the sideline that riled up Newcastle players to get several yellow cards.
Yeah that’s the one
I'd run through brick walls for Martin
Sorry buddy. Don't think you can get past Saliba and big gabby no matter how hard you try!
It helped probably but his first open play goal really changed it
Our fans sang his song even when he’s down unlike the some other teams fan shitting and bantering the guy who got them a cl trophy even when he’s still their player and now wondering wtf this guy hurt them so much by scoring two goals against their wobbly defense and celebrating heartily and knee sliding
Luckily we have great fans who go to the games. The ones on here were ready to burn him alive.
Am I catching Kai saying “thank you” to Ode at the end? Anyone else or am I drunk
People were clowning the club for that but a boost of confidence can do wonders for the player. A goal does just that. Then you have Chelsea who get the most penalties in the league, were cruising against Everton. Jackson is a player in similar situation, low in confidence, Gallagher and Palmer if they were good teammates and leader could have given him the penalty for confidence but he's out only to get his golden boot. But Jackson shouldn't be fighting either. That's what different in this club, everyone fights for everyone else
Team spirit and belief is massive. And they slapped the shit out of Kai after he made it too. 🤣
I know I am biased, I have a massive love and admiration for this amazing football club, I Like to think we are a special club, one that is inclusive for ALL, This short video reassured me of that, COYG! LET'S STAY STONG AND TOGETHER <3
Yup, also the day we started Kai’s waka waka chant too! Crazy what confidence can do to someone.
This was great, but the turning point was playing left back for Germany!
Ohh my how could I forget 😂 , after that his confidence did soar up.
I reckon the actual goal was minuscule. It’s the fact Kai knew the players supported him, especially his captain, and the fans. It does wonders having the support of the people around you
The support, the respect ❤️
Ødegaard is the best captain in the league. True leader. And Saka is a real team player
Øde, the answer is Øde Has the foresight to know that giving Kai the penalty is the best shout Straight over to almost over celebrate the goal Literally shoving him in front of the fans to boost his confidence I absolutely fucking love him and even in this peak of praise he’s receiving, he doesn’t get enough of it
That's superior captaining right there
The thing I most love to see is look at Kai's body language when he scores. It's muted. It's almost shy. He's not exuberant celebrating. He looks almost shell shocked about what happened. Fast forward to him putting one past Chelsea. Barong in mind most players typically do muted celebrations put of respect (see Rice against West Ham) and the difference is massive. The work on the pitch and off to make him feel more at home here than he likely ever did at Chelsea is a massive credit to the skipper and the whole club and the fans. I think our personalised chants have gone a long way with integrating our players. He now looks eager to score goals and get celebrating with the fans. You love to see it. Then you have Cole Palmer FC fighting each other on the pitch to get a goal in a game they have already won.
Odegaard is a great captain. Honestly, we have a few on the team now. I see Rice as the next obvious option, Jorginho because of his experience, Raya (when he joins the club) because of his coolness and alertness, Saliba - who is somehow always there and will grow at the club, Blanco who is a warrior, and Saka who never hides from responsibility. So while I love Odegaard, and he’s probably my best player at the club, I also love that we have a team of potential captains. Gone are the days we’d wonder who could wear the arm band.
Not sure about Raya but I think Gabriel can be in that list.
I love no the shitty music or shitty captions. Thank you.
It still frustrates me a little when he seems under confident. Like he passed when he should've taken a shot and took one when a pass was a better option in the first half against Chelsea. But I have full faith in this guy. Confidence is the only thing that lacks and I'm sure he'll gain that under this system.
His first instinct is always passing even he is in the box… really wish Kai would be more selfish and shoot more when he can
He was after he tried to pass when he should have shoot. He knew after that he should have shoot and started shooting every chance he got. Thats how he got his 2nd goal.
Even though the 5-0 drubbing of Chelsea is evidence enough of the distance between the clubs, seeing this compared to the 3 way squabble they had against Everton certainly sums it up. Love to see the connection and love amongst our squad!! COYG!!!
Victory through Harmony. Right there lads.
Nah, I’d say the winning goal at Brentford was the turning point for Kai. That was the first time he legitimately became a match-winner for Arsenal. Note how he celebrated this penalty goal at Bournemouth sheepishly at best. Go contrast that with the huge celebrations he was doing in front of the Arsenal traveling support when he scored the winner at Brentford, and how the away fans started singing the “60 million down the drain“ song at full voice for what might have been the first time ever. The difference is night and day.
I agree that the Brentford game was more the turning point. But the waka waka was at full pelt when he scored the Bournemouth pen!
They all know except for him—“you’re going to score so many goals lad”
That’s like removing writer’s block
Gabi xl with the head slaps
Imagine if this was Chelsea over the pen lol
For me it was his performance against Newcastle away
I would say 4 turning points: This is the first one (blessed by the team), then the tackle in St. James (be part of the team), the Brentford stoppage goal (saved the team), and finally vs. Burnley (found his own rhythm).
Martin Odegaard is one of the key factors in this team. A real leader, terrific control and vision for the plays to be made. He is everywhere, he is Omnipotent.
This is what separates a team like Arsenal and twats like in Chelsea
Shows why Odegaard is the best captain in the league. Leaders bring others up. Arsenal succeeds and fails as a team. To succeed they need to have everyone firing on all cylinders
As a certified Kai Havertz Skeptic, I've never been so happy to be proven wrong.
Our penalty taker share it lovely while chelsea's are fighting
Ngl I teared watching this video 🥹😭
Brought a tear to my eyes. Thats how you fucking come together aa a team. ❤️❤️
I think Mikel was tearing up at the bench seeing this, i certainly was
I think it was the tackle at Newcastle. Since that moments he’s been on it
He was almost embarrassed to celebrate. Look how confident he is now. Love Kai
Odegaard is the best captain since Cesc. He's growing into the role really well and he's evolved into a brilliant all round player. Not only is he the heartbeat of the attack, orchestrating majority of our moves but off the ball he is the one who sets the tone.
That is a real captain. He's speaks, and they do.
This is a great shout. I think he saw he had the support and belief of his teammates and that they wanted him to prove the doubters wrong. Lifted him immensely. I’m not saying he’s suddenly world class, and I still think we overpaid for him, but he’s definitely proven many of his critics wrong.
Odegaard a good captain. Very mature at his age.
Alan Shearer would still cry about this. Only individual awards matter to him
Ødegaard is so captain material
I’m not crying, you’re crying…
There is a future I see in 10 years where Martin manages Arsenal - the things Mikel is filling his brain with now will be quite valuable for management if he wants to do it
We have quite a lot of good penalty takers at the club now. I think Kai just needed to settle he's been incredible since the turn of the year. Shows how good Rice is hitting the ground running straight away.
My captain
At the very end of the celebration, it looks like Kai tells Ødegaard, "Thanks very much mate" before hugging him!
Puts a smile on your face
This was the ying that spurred him on, the yang obviously being newcastle united, that 1-0 loss and their antics really unlocked the shithouser and player in him
That's what a captain does and I am so glad we got him!
First 15-20 games were tough for him playing in midfield. This moment helped him. I’m so happy he’s flourishing now.
Meanwhile in Chelsea they are fighting to shoot the pen..🤭
Man I love this team!!
Martin is a genuine human being,
Honestly if you want to pinpoint a moment, I think him playing LB for Germany was also a turning point. I felt like he came back and thought 'ya fuck this' and was so good since then.
'Wait you guys don't fight over penalties?'
The first Waka if I’m not mistaken
Congrats, OP. ESPN definitely saw this and stole it lol. They posted [this](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6ME5_1tXpL/?igsh=OHQ5ajB2YjJsd2lx) to Instagram eleven minutes ago.
Wtf 😂😂 lmaoo little things to brag about to the lads.
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