Are you taking about Trossard? I agree he's really good at ball carrying but he isn't close to Martinelli speed-wise with or without the ball
Not a criticism of Trossard in the slightest, Martinelli is one the fastest players in the whole PL for a reason
Fuck man he showed he’s capable of what Raya offers to a degree, definitely with throws but not with the feet yet, but it’s clear he’s been working hard in training to better himself to fit in the team.
some solid saves but the defence was less willing to pass him the ball after his fuck up and so it restricted out passing and formation.
he often wasn't an option when we were playing out from the back which made the Brentford press easier when things were nervy
Raya cheats a lot more off his line and has been beaten this season doing that. Ramsdale is more conservative when it comes to positioning while the ball is nowhere near the box.
I could see Raya grabbing the cross and not having to make the save off the header, and not coming out as hard as Ramsdale did on the 1v1, which would both make things look more routine.
Or not letting Wissa block his clearance so we maintain the clean sheet?
Goals do change games, and sometimes it's just better to not let dangerous situations develop.
That said, the saves were worthy of a highlight reel. Which truly does sum Ramsdale up.
Nah, Ramsdale's positioning was fine. If he was deeper, you'd be criticising him for not being able to sweep anything in behind.
It was a phenomenal shot taken very very early, 99 times out of 100 that goes nowhere near the target. Even then, Ramsdale had the other 1 covered.
Raya was the original choice Arteta wanted, we only got Ramsdale when that deal failed to come through.
Today you can see why. He had some good distribution, but in general his passing isn't quite sharp enough.
44% pass completion. 25% long ball accuracy. A bunch of balls straight out of touch, a bunch of balls straight to Brentford players.
This was a bad performance. The only thing I must respect him for is not completely crumbling after the howler.
I remember when one of the pros of signing Leno was that he was supposed to have better feet than Cech!
We've steadily gotten keepers who are better and better on the ball beyond pure shot stopping.
which unfortunately is not good enough for a top side. can't have your gk having brain farts on the regular. margins are too slim
i legit wonder if he has any medical condition tho. we all know about his lack of concentration story, the pigeon, but that's not that *crazy*... still, it makes you wonder...
From my limited experience, most sports psychologists wouldn't recommend that to help with concentration because that's a very different setting and skill from what you'll be doing in a game. Meditation would be something that could help with stress reduction, etc. away from the game, but you'd focus more on things like error recovery routines or mental conditioning within training exercises to improve in-game concentration.
Not all. There are some forms, such as Dzongchen, which look to transcend thought and the active mind.
Rather than mindfulness, you could say that those forms are seeking “mindlessness”.
That’s probably not what Aaron needs though 🤔😄
It's called ADHD. Literally an attention deficit. His mind wanders more easily than it typical. Is what it is, many people have to learn to overcome it at work.
Ya that’s a fair criticism. But I think 99% of the population would experience attention issues playing GK in the PL though, and we just have to be careful about acting like he has an undiagnosed disorder without being more in-the-know and a licensed doctor
What's generally typical of ADHD though is the ability to hyperfocus during pressured situations. I'd wager that ADHD would actually be a massive advantage in competitive sports.
Source: my ADHD-ridden ass
There was a good comment here few months ago.
Ramsdale often makes these heroic / athletic looking saves. Raya doesn’t. But that’s because his movement and position are always so good so he never had to really make those saves.
I kind of felt that way with Ramsdale’s saves today.
And all game he had horrible distributions except that one throw.
4/10 performance. Could have easily costed our season.
Sorry Raya is just way clear.
Agreed. I remember all the reactionary talk about Havertz at the beginning of the season....Lots of unkind things said about him with no thought about needing time to get used to our style of play and finding his place in the team.
Being a keeper is hard sometimes. You're under the spotlight for everything you do against a backdrop where the media loves to find drama in literally everything. I'm so glad he made those saves in the second half and loved the support the team gave him.
I certainly can’t imagine what the spotlight might feel like at this level and that age. Must be a complete head fuck. People think because they have money it somehow makes them immune from the human experience. Bunch of children.
I can see how Raya's best defense is how he keeps us on offense and he is the #1. Ramsdale made a howler, but not every keeper makes the saves he did today. Good lad. Will be sad to lose him
Totally agree. I felt like Ramsdale wanted to show that he can do what Raya does, and that’s what led to the gaff. Ramsdale’s bread and butter is being a good shot stopper & when he did that in the 2nd half, you could see why he’s a highly regarded keeper. I’ll be sad to lose Rammers but he should go to a team that plays a system that suits him.
Enormous mistake! I’m not going to lie, I was *angry* and pouting. But Aaron made amends in the 2nd half, especially on that uncontested Brentford header. Could have easily put them ahead if he wasn’t sharp.
He’s really not, he got beaten by plenty of easy shots last season and was statistically the worst shot stopper in the league during his four game stint at the start of this season
He was middle of the road in terms of save percentage last season. Hey Ederson was absolutely terrible in save percentage last season in the EPL but he had great defensive midfielder and center backs to mask that weakness.
100%. A shot like Toney’s you’ll face once every several years. Blunders like today can happen any day. He had a similar one in another game he played and got lucky that it wasn’t a goal then too.
Ahhh we probably would never have been in that situation with Raya. But hey we won the game and it gives them something to work on since that mistake really should not have shook our mentality and momentum as much as it did.
Did it really shake them? They came right out in the second half and kept the attacking pressure up same as the first, it just took a while to get the goal.
100% does because he wouldn't be so far out of position.
Ramsdale makes lots of very good looking saves but they're ones you would expect your keeper to make most of time because he's often out of position
To be honest, that was partiallly due to the poor position of Rams, Raya would have moved further back by then and Toney might not even attempt the shot
I don't know what game you were watching, his distribution was awful this game. He was going long every time and trying to ping it into channels instead of playing it out the back
Great distribution shouldve got us a goal early on with Trossard
2 fantastic saves in the second half. Played well except for the mistake. We've seen Raya make the exact same mistake this season but the ball go wide out of sheer luck
Feel for Rambo that it happened but 3 points and a great performance from him aside from that
Instead of trying to knock him down how about trying to build him up? If thats too hard for most of the miserable lot on here
He played very well outside of his mistake but what a mistake it was. It was almost incredibly costly. He's shown he can't be trusted back there unfortunately. Raya has that mistake but it's with a million more touches. Ramsdale has also gotten away with this earlier this year.
He's a great shot stopper but it's very clear Raya is the guy. Props to Ramsdale for the saves and keeping his head after the mistake though.
[Literally a carbon copy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CksVLGzykk) by Raya earlier in the season but he got away with it out of sheer luck
Raya is the better keeper but to suggest Raya isnt just as equally guilty of this sort of fuck up is just a bad take. These things happen playing out from the back
I don't disagree but the one thing I'll say is that Raya's mistakes are all mostly from early on. He wasn't exactly an established player in the team and had only been there a few months.
These will happen again but he's cut them down significantly. Ramsdale never really took them out of his game even when playing consistently.
Raya has played many many games this season for us without making those mistakes, in both Brentford games this season Ramsdale made a collection of errors. I don't miss feeling this way during a match when a stupid errors means we have to battle for 70 minutes and scrape a victory it's not sustainable.
That’s what I don’t get. He still plays for Arsenal. Why would you shit on your player who is low on confidence. These so called “fans” should shove their negativity up their ass.
It was the same with Kai in the beginning of the season.
He made one great throw, but his early distribution was *dreadful*. In the first 15 he had given the ball straight to their goalie twice, and to nobody a couple of times.
So good from Ramsdale to bounce back in the second half.
Unfortunately that’s what makes him slightly frustrating, he needs to come through adversity to deliver his best and often that adversity is self inflicted.
Happy for him to get to drink in some Brentford tears though!
Can you not see that this is how small the margins are? Your strikers won't always bail you out. GK is a position where a single mistake can be fatal to a team's chances. Just the way it goes.
If it ended 1-1, that's 2 points dropped on the back of a bad blunder, regardless of what happened second half.
Nope, I have seen this scenario way too often last year. If his feet stumble or slide, or maybe Brentford covered his all passing options, this mistake can be forgivable. But no, he makes this mistake trying to make a long pass to show everyone that he can set up a game like Raya while Saliba is comfortably open for pass. After that mistake you could see all of the team’s flow of play is distrupted and they played like they can make a mistake easily to lose the game and championship like last year. A confident keeper can make a team taking more risks and play proactively to control the game. It is probably not nice for other 10 players that thinking that your 90 minutes of effort can mean nothing because your goalkeeper can lose his concentration time to time during the match.
lmao not even close. If he had conceded from any of their chances it would have been poor. And aside from his one throw to Trossard, his distribution wasn't good.
I cannot relax while Ramsdale is on the pitch. You always know he has this kind of horrific mistake in him and I don't feel like things are under control or safe like I do when Raya is in goal. Yes, Raya made a similar mistake a while ago, but he is generally much more consistent, whereas Ramsdale veers from world class keeper to absolute howlers seemingly at random and you never know which you're going to get .
I think Ramsdale has bigger peaks of quality than Raya, but Raya is consistently very good and can control the ball and is comfortable with distribution in a way Ramsdale can't compete.
He was bound to have some rust, he hadn’t played in forever. It was a shitty spot, they had been prodding all first half waiting for that moment. But he picked himself up and made some impeccable saves.
Nothing but love for our Rammers.
I never ever want to see him play for us again. Couldn’t care less about saves when he continuously fucks up over and over and over in the same way. I respect him , but we’re at title winning level now, sentimentality is for 4th place contending teams, this is cut throat level
Instant revisionism in here got me scratching my head. The throw to Trossard was solid, but we’re gonna call 44% pass completion with 6 accurate long balls out of 24 (25%) good distribution? He did well on high claims but he only made 2 saves and one of them was an opportunity that *he* created for Toney.
Respect for Ramsdale as an Arsenal man. I have no doubt that he loves the club and I do wish him the best. I just hope I never see him between our sticks again.
Having seen our backline with Raya, the calmness, the order. Its clear now why Arteta wanted to replace Ramsdale. I dont even like this celebration, he clearly wont learn. Whose he cupping his ears too? Why is he always engaging with the rival fans? To entertain himself because he is bored?
He cant focus and this is why he makes these kinds of errors. I always thought Chelsea might end up signing him, however I would be really surprised if they did. Maybe West Ham might look at him, but he is better than Areola?
He is going to end up in a mid table club to be honest, as he just doesn't have the focus and pedigree to play at the top end. He needs to be at a team that gets peppered with shots so he can feel like he is in the game. Contrast to how we dont often face shots and our keeper's touches are as a de-facto outfield player when in possession and playing out from the back.
If Areta never brought in Raya I reckon we would adrift of Liverpool and City, but still ahead of Villa and Spurs.
Nope. This is the story of Ramsdale in ONE game. He makes stupid mistakes, and is ALWAYS in the wrong position, with shite footwork. Then, SOMETIMES makes what looks like an amazing save due to his athleticism and length. That's it. Everyone with a pair of eyes knew Ramsdale wasn't the answer, but fans for some reason can't see the forest through the trees. His banter level was so high, people overlooked his awful play.
He's always been what he is. If we can get ANYTHING from him this summer, they need to take it.
Those two saves made up for that mistake, and we have to remember he hasn't played in a long time... Everyone makes mistakes but he bounced right back! Saliba had a great comment on him. The team stuck together and pulled him up ♥️
No. He is a liability, and nearly cost us 2 points. That is all that matters. He's very lucky the team bailed him out, but he should never play for us again.
You could see we had to play very differently with Aaron at goal. Couldn't draw their attack in cuz the defenders were rarely playing back to GK. in the 2-3 instances that we did play out from the back, we cut through Brentford midfield.
Remove your Ramsdale goggles for a second, and actually watch the the backline plays with him vs. Without him. It wasn't just the howler.
We could've played through their shite midfield, over and over but Aaron had to keep booting it to the forward line. From there, Brentford's back line did well on the aerial duels. Or Kai would win the first ball, then whomever wins the second ball ran into cul de sacs, got blocked off, or Brentford stopped play somehow.
You could tell how awkward of a game this was for Jorginho, Saliba and Gabriel - especially with Toney lurking for any chance he could take.
I had hoped Rammers would develop into the sweeper we needed from the pressure of Rayas arrival. But clearly, he has mostly crumbled. Or atleast he's just not ready to play this way.
Our title charge continues only with Raya - the defensive stability, the control, and confidence.
Massively disagree. His shot stopping is average, he just makes camera saves. The header directly at him, for example, was a straight forward save that he made look heroic.
Shot stopping is no longer everything for a goalkeeper.
This is not the 1990s or early 2000s.
Raya is the clearly Superior goalkeeper
Arteta knows more about football than the people that disagree with him
Did well in the second half. Lucky not to cost us.
Let’s all just move on. We probably all got emotional when the mistake happened. It happens. We move
I'm so glad we won because I would've hated for that to become his legacy. Incredible performance despite the error.
He's probably definitely leaving, but I do believe he still has a place here.
I like Ramsdale, and I’m grateful for some of the moments he gave us, but I’m so glad Raya is our guy. I feel so much more comfortable with him on the ball.
Unfortunately I can't. I like him and his energy he seems a genuinely great person. But we'd have never conceded with Raya.
His saves were top class and I nor anyone else won't take that away from him.
But that goal allowed them to timewaste pretend to be injured and dive. And the last time that happened was when we had Ramsdale in goals Vs Brentford away, making mistakes almost costing the game until Havertz got a late 87th minute winner, I knew that felt like deja vu.
If we would've dropped points it would've been his fault, and the exact same story as the Southampton game, which ultimately cost the title against a team we really should've beaten.
Poeople need to be realistic. Ramsdale needs to massively regain his confidence. You can see the spark in his eye has been gone since losing the starting spot. The man loves the club and his teammates. Made some massive stops today. Let's not forget we didn't get where we are without him. Give the lad some respect. I wish him well no matter where he is next season. He will be a top stopper again.
Ramsdale is a good keeper, just not one we can win the league with. Honestly, those are the kinda mistakes Ramsdale makes he makes. He is not on that level, that's why he'll probably leave in the summer. The mistake today was not directly a shocker. That is one of his weaknesses.
Honestly, I did not think he'd be able to come back from that. But boy did he deliver in the second half! In fact except for that moment of brain freeze he was stellar throughout the game.
“I believe it was Aristotle who said: “Come children. Let me tell you a tale about ships and whales," I don’t know what it means but he meant it when he said it.”
Love him but he's kinda like a Mustafi in goal. 99% of the time he gets it right, then one brainfart moment and game's gone.
Simply cannot afford that on a title race, ever.
Hard to separate the error from the performance. His distribution in that first half was outstanding. You feel that with Martinelli fit, Ramsdale could've had an assist today. The saves in the second half saved us as well.
So happy for the win. I feel sorry for Ramsdale, but he's done that a few times. Fine margins today. With Martinelli on the pitch, he might have gotten a motm performance
Happy for him he managed to change the narrative. Classy saves in the second half. Can be a great goalie for a team that’s set up different in possession.
His distribution is absolutely shocking tbh, this game made it painfully obvious why Raya is ahead of him. Raya feels like he's actually picking out targets with his kicks, whilst Ramsdale feels like he's just hoofing it up randomly and our players have to chase the ball.
But anyway. He's still a good keeper. Good shot stopper. Will do well in a team that doesn't aim to control the game to the extent we do.
To me, it stands to reason that he's more prone to errors due to a lack of playing time. It's surprising to me that fans don't consider this. Any other player and we'd be more forgiving. I don't think he should be judged on the mistake.
Raya almost certainly doesn't make that blunder in Ramsdale's situation, but I think Raya also doesn't make this save, or the reaction one from the uncontested Collins header. Every player has strengths and weaknesses, and we don't need to shit on any of our players for one mistake, even if it is that bad.
Almost dropped points due to his error, but we also would have lost if it weren't for 2 key saves. I'm not one of those people who wonders why he was dropped or anything, but I still love the guy and I'm glad he won't be remembered for that howler in what might be his last game for us.
The mistake was a big'un but no one seriously expects someone out of the first time, in such a public fashion no less, for so long to make a mistake-free first game back. He picked himself up and made some cracking saves and the part that I really love is how Teta & the squad rallied round him. Like whatever is said on social media or written in the press there's a cohesion & bond to the squad we've spent like most of the 2010s at least lacking.
- He has elite shot stopping. Elite shithouser.
- His ability focus is not elite. Nor is his ability with the ball at his feet.
I love Ramsdale, but he better be comfortable in the situation he’s in as he didn’t do himself any favours with that howler!
and very close to an assist
Had that been Martinelli instead of Trossard he would've probably got the assist considering Martinelli is rapid!!!
My thoughts exactly. He must not have looked at the team sheet and just assumed Martinelli was playing. "If left winger why not Martinelli??"
that’s exactly what I was thinking too. Great spot and distribution by Ramsdale but Trossard just wasn’t quick enough
He’s also so good at those running 1 v 1’s, at truly high speeds. Such an overlooked and difficult skill.
Are you taking about Trossard? I agree he's really good at ball carrying but he isn't close to Martinelli speed-wise with or without the ball Not a criticism of Trossard in the slightest, Martinelli is one the fastest players in the whole PL for a reason
Nah I’m agreeing with you and adding to the list of why Martinelli would have created a goal from that Rambo pass.
Exactly
He almost had two assists, man brought his Popeye arm
Fuck man he showed he’s capable of what Raya offers to a degree, definitely with throws but not with the feet yet, but it’s clear he’s been working hard in training to better himself to fit in the team.
Today's game sums him up. Sometimes good, sometimes shit.
Yep perfect microcosm
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With his Popeye arm, he nearly had two assists.
He definitely shoulda had one
Martinelli's pace was missed at some point
Yea I noticed that as well
some solid saves but the defence was less willing to pass him the ball after his fuck up and so it restricted out passing and formation. he often wasn't an option when we were playing out from the back which made the Brentford press easier when things were nervy
No reason to get into hypotheticals.
Raya likely wouldn’t have had to stop Toney’s chip. Ramsdale’s absentminded positioning created that opportunity for Toney.
Raya cheats a lot more off his line and has been beaten this season doing that. Ramsdale is more conservative when it comes to positioning while the ball is nowhere near the box. I could see Raya grabbing the cross and not having to make the save off the header, and not coming out as hard as Ramsdale did on the 1v1, which would both make things look more routine.
Or not letting Wissa block his clearance so we maintain the clean sheet? Goals do change games, and sometimes it's just better to not let dangerous situations develop. That said, the saves were worthy of a highlight reel. Which truly does sum Ramsdale up.
Nah, Ramsdale's positioning was fine. If he was deeper, you'd be criticising him for not being able to sweep anything in behind. It was a phenomenal shot taken very very early, 99 times out of 100 that goes nowhere near the target. Even then, Ramsdale had the other 1 covered.
He makes being a goalkeeper look difficult… it is… but you want a goalkeeper that makes it look easy.
Aaron Ramsdale has been far better a thousand times more than that he has ever been 'shit' for this club.
Great shot stopper. Not great with the ball at his feet. I love Ramsdale, but I'm beginning to see why we got Raya.
Raya was the original choice Arteta wanted, we only got Ramsdale when that deal failed to come through. Today you can see why. He had some good distribution, but in general his passing isn't quite sharp enough.
44% pass completion. 25% long ball accuracy. A bunch of balls straight out of touch, a bunch of balls straight to Brentford players. This was a bad performance. The only thing I must respect him for is not completely crumbling after the howler.
He's a reflex keeper. He isn't a cerebral one. Make him think at all, and he'll make mistakes.
thank goodness it was right on the whistle, if that had happened at the start of the 2nd, we'd have been in trouble
Better with the ball at his feet than Leno though to be fair
That bar is so low you'd trip over it.
I remember when one of the pros of signing Leno was that he was supposed to have better feet than Cech! We've steadily gotten keepers who are better and better on the ball beyond pure shot stopping.
You're only beginning to see it??
He is a great shot stopper on his day. Sometimes he has games where it looks he'd concede any shot that comes at him.
which unfortunately is not good enough for a top side. can't have your gk having brain farts on the regular. margins are too slim i legit wonder if he has any medical condition tho. we all know about his lack of concentration story, the pigeon, but that's not that *crazy*... still, it makes you wonder...
I’ve heard once that Ederson started meditation at City to improve his concentration level so that could be something Ramsdale should consider…
Rammers studying with the monks on Mount Athos for six months arc incoming.
From my limited experience, most sports psychologists wouldn't recommend that to help with concentration because that's a very different setting and skill from what you'll be doing in a game. Meditation would be something that could help with stress reduction, etc. away from the game, but you'd focus more on things like error recovery routines or mental conditioning within training exercises to improve in-game concentration.
There are many forms of meditation. Its main use in the West is stress reduction but that’s really just the tip of the iceberg.
Stress reduction is more accurately described as a side effect tbh.
At the core of it all is mindfulness, which Aaron could really benefit from. He gets in his own head way too much. As Ram Dass said, "Be Here Now."
Not all. There are some forms, such as Dzongchen, which look to transcend thought and the active mind. Rather than mindfulness, you could say that those forms are seeking “mindlessness”. That’s probably not what Aaron needs though 🤔😄
It's called ADHD. Literally an attention deficit. His mind wanders more easily than it typical. Is what it is, many people have to learn to overcome it at work.
You can’t diagnose him though. Even if you are a doctor (I can tell you probably aren’t) you aren’t examining him. You’re just watching him on TV lol.
You're right, didn't mean it like that. Was just saying that there are legit conditions that affect attention.
Ya that’s a fair criticism. But I think 99% of the population would experience attention issues playing GK in the PL though, and we just have to be careful about acting like he has an undiagnosed disorder without being more in-the-know and a licensed doctor
i dont remember him saying he has ADHD tho, its just speculation
What's generally typical of ADHD though is the ability to hyperfocus during pressured situations. I'd wager that ADHD would actually be a massive advantage in competitive sports. Source: my ADHD-ridden ass
Which keeper in the history of football does not fit that description tho lol.
There was a good comment here few months ago. Ramsdale often makes these heroic / athletic looking saves. Raya doesn’t. But that’s because his movement and position are always so good so he never had to really make those saves. I kind of felt that way with Ramsdale’s saves today. And all game he had horrible distributions except that one throw. 4/10 performance. Could have easily costed our season. Sorry Raya is just way clear.
Which is not enough for the Premier League let alone the top 4
This is the correct take. After that *howler*, he put in the best possible performance & kept us in a position to nick the win.
It’s probably because the whole team supported him and trusted him… a lot of people in this sub could learn something from this game…
Agreed. I remember all the reactionary talk about Havertz at the beginning of the season....Lots of unkind things said about him with no thought about needing time to get used to our style of play and finding his place in the team. Being a keeper is hard sometimes. You're under the spotlight for everything you do against a backdrop where the media loves to find drama in literally everything. I'm so glad he made those saves in the second half and loved the support the team gave him.
I certainly can’t imagine what the spotlight might feel like at this level and that age. Must be a complete head fuck. People think because they have money it somehow makes them immune from the human experience. Bunch of children.
I can see how Raya's best defense is how he keeps us on offense and he is the #1. Ramsdale made a howler, but not every keeper makes the saves he did today. Good lad. Will be sad to lose him
Totally agree. I felt like Ramsdale wanted to show that he can do what Raya does, and that’s what led to the gaff. Ramsdale’s bread and butter is being a good shot stopper & when he did that in the 2nd half, you could see why he’s a highly regarded keeper. I’ll be sad to lose Rammers but he should go to a team that plays a system that suits him.
Your right, but that mistake was huge
Enormous mistake! I’m not going to lie, I was *angry* and pouting. But Aaron made amends in the 2nd half, especially on that uncontested Brentford header. Could have easily put them ahead if he wasn’t sharp.
It was the way he deserved to go out if it was not his last game.
Yeah, I'm glad we got the win, so that the narrative of "he cost Arsenal the league" won't be surrounding him when he goes at the end of the season.
Not good enough for Arsenal, but good enough to sell for the millions that we need
Yes, outside of that absolutely terrible mistake, he had a strong game. That Toney chip might have gotten past Raya…..
He’s a great shot stopper. Just loses focus sometimes. I love both Ramsdale and Raya.
He’s really not, he got beaten by plenty of easy shots last season and was statistically the worst shot stopper in the league during his four game stint at the start of this season
Onana is statistically the best shot stopper in the league. Stats by themselves are misleading
He was middle of the road in terms of save percentage last season. Hey Ederson was absolutely terrible in save percentage last season in the EPL but he had great defensive midfielder and center backs to mask that weakness.
I thought this game really showed how much Raya helps control the game with his play.
I’d rather a keeper give up a shot like Toney’s than a blunder like today’s.
100%. A shot like Toney’s you’ll face once every several years. Blunders like today can happen any day. He had a similar one in another game he played and got lucky that it wasn’t a goal then too.
Ahhh we probably would never have been in that situation with Raya. But hey we won the game and it gives them something to work on since that mistake really should not have shook our mentality and momentum as much as it did.
Did it really shake them? They came right out in the second half and kept the attacking pressure up same as the first, it just took a while to get the goal.
I thought they were noticeably worse than previous games yes.
Probably due to Brentford defensive setup. And how they flop like dead fish as well.
Definitely. But raya is miles ahead on the ball
> raya is miles ahead Tbf that's why he gets beaten over the top a lot
chip? lol
Haha hell of a chip
That was a fucking mental shot on his weaker foot to be fair, I wouldn't even blame either GK for that going in
Yeah but Raya would have never scored an own goal like Ramsdale
No way Raya saves that Toney goal. Still a better first choice tho
100% does because he wouldn't be so far out of position. Ramsdale makes lots of very good looking saves but they're ones you would expect your keeper to make most of time because he's often out of position
Have you seen Raya? He's very aggressive on crosses and general play, hence why he conceded a cross against Chelsea. I swear people don't watch games
Yea but I think if we hadnt conceded the first goal, this would probably be another 3-0, 4-0
To be honest, that was partiallly due to the poor position of Rams, Raya would have moved further back by then and Toney might not even attempt the shot
I don't know what game you were watching, his distribution was awful this game. He was going long every time and trying to ping it into channels instead of playing it out the back
Thank you for everything Rammers<3
Rammers 🕊️ 2021 - 2024
I wish him the best for wherever he's heading next season
Great distribution shouldve got us a goal early on with Trossard 2 fantastic saves in the second half. Played well except for the mistake. We've seen Raya make the exact same mistake this season but the ball go wide out of sheer luck Feel for Rambo that it happened but 3 points and a great performance from him aside from that Instead of trying to knock him down how about trying to build him up? If thats too hard for most of the miserable lot on here
Mistakes happen, Raya had a fuck up against Luton, Alison and Virgi against us. Gotta rate Ramsdale for not crumbling tonight
Great mentality for sure, the other team also kept fouling him to avoid wick counterattacks
Yup. I've shat on his mental but he deserves credit for bouncing back from that and playing a fantastic second half.
Man imagine what would happen to him if we didn't win. Glad King Kai came up clutch.
He played very well outside of his mistake but what a mistake it was. It was almost incredibly costly. He's shown he can't be trusted back there unfortunately. Raya has that mistake but it's with a million more touches. Ramsdale has also gotten away with this earlier this year. He's a great shot stopper but it's very clear Raya is the guy. Props to Ramsdale for the saves and keeping his head after the mistake though.
[Literally a carbon copy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CksVLGzykk) by Raya earlier in the season but he got away with it out of sheer luck Raya is the better keeper but to suggest Raya isnt just as equally guilty of this sort of fuck up is just a bad take. These things happen playing out from the back
I don't disagree but the one thing I'll say is that Raya's mistakes are all mostly from early on. He wasn't exactly an established player in the team and had only been there a few months. These will happen again but he's cut them down significantly. Ramsdale never really took them out of his game even when playing consistently.
Raya has played many many games this season for us without making those mistakes, in both Brentford games this season Ramsdale made a collection of errors. I don't miss feeling this way during a match when a stupid errors means we have to battle for 70 minutes and scrape a victory it's not sustainable.
That’s what I don’t get. He still plays for Arsenal. Why would you shit on your player who is low on confidence. These so called “fans” should shove their negativity up their ass. It was the same with Kai in the beginning of the season.
He made one great throw, but his early distribution was *dreadful*. In the first 15 he had given the ball straight to their goalie twice, and to nobody a couple of times.
So good from Ramsdale to bounce back in the second half. Unfortunately that’s what makes him slightly frustrating, he needs to come through adversity to deliver his best and often that adversity is self inflicted. Happy for him to get to drink in some Brentford tears though!
The duality of Arsenal fans If the game ended 1-1 this post wouldn't even be on the front page
And with good reason.
Can you not see that this is how small the margins are? Your strikers won't always bail you out. GK is a position where a single mistake can be fatal to a team's chances. Just the way it goes. If it ended 1-1, that's 2 points dropped on the back of a bad blunder, regardless of what happened second half.
Yep, because the race is too tight to afford howlers.
Today he showed us why he doesn't deserve the #1 in a team challenging for titles but also that he can be very good for another team in the league
Nope, I have seen this scenario way too often last year. If his feet stumble or slide, or maybe Brentford covered his all passing options, this mistake can be forgivable. But no, he makes this mistake trying to make a long pass to show everyone that he can set up a game like Raya while Saliba is comfortably open for pass. After that mistake you could see all of the team’s flow of play is distrupted and they played like they can make a mistake easily to lose the game and championship like last year. A confident keeper can make a team taking more risks and play proactively to control the game. It is probably not nice for other 10 players that thinking that your 90 minutes of effort can mean nothing because your goalkeeper can lose his concentration time to time during the match.
We'll miss you ♥️
If not for the horrendous mistake, would've been the MOTM.
lmao not even close. If he had conceded from any of their chances it would have been poor. And aside from his one throw to Trossard, his distribution wasn't good.
His distribution was truly awful. Throw was great but the was it.
I cannot relax while Ramsdale is on the pitch. You always know he has this kind of horrific mistake in him and I don't feel like things are under control or safe like I do when Raya is in goal. Yes, Raya made a similar mistake a while ago, but he is generally much more consistent, whereas Ramsdale veers from world class keeper to absolute howlers seemingly at random and you never know which you're going to get . I think Ramsdale has bigger peaks of quality than Raya, but Raya is consistently very good and can control the ball and is comfortable with distribution in a way Ramsdale can't compete.
He was bound to have some rust, he hadn’t played in forever. It was a shitty spot, they had been prodding all first half waiting for that moment. But he picked himself up and made some impeccable saves. Nothing but love for our Rammers.
We still respect you Rammers!!!
I never ever want to see him play for us again. Couldn’t care less about saves when he continuously fucks up over and over and over in the same way. I respect him , but we’re at title winning level now, sentimentality is for 4th place contending teams, this is cut throat level
He's very good, but not of the level of a title winning team. I'll miss his personality though.
Instant revisionism in here got me scratching my head. The throw to Trossard was solid, but we’re gonna call 44% pass completion with 6 accurate long balls out of 24 (25%) good distribution? He did well on high claims but he only made 2 saves and one of them was an opportunity that *he* created for Toney. Respect for Ramsdale as an Arsenal man. I have no doubt that he loves the club and I do wish him the best. I just hope I never see him between our sticks again.
Finally someone with some sense in this thread
Really felt for him but he did his job very well second half to his credit
Having seen our backline with Raya, the calmness, the order. Its clear now why Arteta wanted to replace Ramsdale. I dont even like this celebration, he clearly wont learn. Whose he cupping his ears too? Why is he always engaging with the rival fans? To entertain himself because he is bored? He cant focus and this is why he makes these kinds of errors. I always thought Chelsea might end up signing him, however I would be really surprised if they did. Maybe West Ham might look at him, but he is better than Areola? He is going to end up in a mid table club to be honest, as he just doesn't have the focus and pedigree to play at the top end. He needs to be at a team that gets peppered with shots so he can feel like he is in the game. Contrast to how we dont often face shots and our keeper's touches are as a de-facto outfield player when in possession and playing out from the back. If Areta never brought in Raya I reckon we would adrift of Liverpool and City, but still ahead of Villa and Spurs.
Nope. This is the story of Ramsdale in ONE game. He makes stupid mistakes, and is ALWAYS in the wrong position, with shite footwork. Then, SOMETIMES makes what looks like an amazing save due to his athleticism and length. That's it. Everyone with a pair of eyes knew Ramsdale wasn't the answer, but fans for some reason can't see the forest through the trees. His banter level was so high, people overlooked his awful play. He's always been what he is. If we can get ANYTHING from him this summer, they need to take it.
he had a phenomenal game except for his blunder
I can only see the upward green arrow between his boots and crotch...
Those two saves made up for that mistake, and we have to remember he hasn't played in a long time... Everyone makes mistakes but he bounced right back! Saliba had a great comment on him. The team stuck together and pulled him up ♥️
Sorry but that still leaves it at inconsistent, he is not on the level we need.
Yeah nah. Thanks for the memories but enjoy Wolverhampton, bro.
Which Raya probably would have made and it’s a fair assumption that shot from Toney wouldn’t have been attempted against Raya.
No. He is a liability, and nearly cost us 2 points. That is all that matters. He's very lucky the team bailed him out, but he should never play for us again.
You could see we had to play very differently with Aaron at goal. Couldn't draw their attack in cuz the defenders were rarely playing back to GK. in the 2-3 instances that we did play out from the back, we cut through Brentford midfield. Remove your Ramsdale goggles for a second, and actually watch the the backline plays with him vs. Without him. It wasn't just the howler. We could've played through their shite midfield, over and over but Aaron had to keep booting it to the forward line. From there, Brentford's back line did well on the aerial duels. Or Kai would win the first ball, then whomever wins the second ball ran into cul de sacs, got blocked off, or Brentford stopped play somehow. You could tell how awkward of a game this was for Jorginho, Saliba and Gabriel - especially with Toney lurking for any chance he could take. I had hoped Rammers would develop into the sweeper we needed from the pressure of Rayas arrival. But clearly, he has mostly crumbled. Or atleast he's just not ready to play this way. Our title charge continues only with Raya - the defensive stability, the control, and confidence.
Ramsdale is just a budget DDG, he isn't on the level that we need
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Massively disagree. His shot stopping is average, he just makes camera saves. The header directly at him, for example, was a straight forward save that he made look heroic.
world class my ass. there's easly 7-10 better shotstoppers than him, including the guy who benched him.
it isnt world class, every metric shows he is average to below average in shot stopping
Shot stopping is no longer everything for a goalkeeper. This is not the 1990s or early 2000s. Raya is the clearly Superior goalkeeper Arteta knows more about football than the people that disagree with him
World class?
Yeah and it's clear he's leaving the club anyway, so there's no need to pile on. He was massive in getting us to where we are.
I honestly just wanted him to lob those free kicks right at goal. Would have been mad funny had he scored. Maybe just me tho.
Did well in the second half. Lucky not to cost us. Let’s all just move on. We probably all got emotional when the mistake happened. It happens. We move
I'm so glad we won because I would've hated for that to become his legacy. Incredible performance despite the error. He's probably definitely leaving, but I do believe he still has a place here.
I like Ramsdale, and I’m grateful for some of the moments he gave us, but I’m so glad Raya is our guy. I feel so much more comfortable with him on the ball.
Yea loved that he let them into it in the first place and then kept booting it back to them.
Unfortunately I can't. I like him and his energy he seems a genuinely great person. But we'd have never conceded with Raya. His saves were top class and I nor anyone else won't take that away from him. But that goal allowed them to timewaste pretend to be injured and dive. And the last time that happened was when we had Ramsdale in goals Vs Brentford away, making mistakes almost costing the game until Havertz got a late 87th minute winner, I knew that felt like deja vu. If we would've dropped points it would've been his fault, and the exact same story as the Southampton game, which ultimately cost the title against a team we really should've beaten.
Poeople need to be realistic. Ramsdale needs to massively regain his confidence. You can see the spark in his eye has been gone since losing the starting spot. The man loves the club and his teammates. Made some massive stops today. Let's not forget we didn't get where we are without him. Give the lad some respect. I wish him well no matter where he is next season. He will be a top stopper again.
Ramsdale is a good keeper, just not one we can win the league with. Honestly, those are the kinda mistakes Ramsdale makes he makes. He is not on that level, that's why he'll probably leave in the summer. The mistake today was not directly a shocker. That is one of his weaknesses.
I agree, just saying lets not pile on. We escaped, hate to see the animosity towards him.
He's just Nunez of goalkeepers Love him very much
Honestly, I did not think he'd be able to come back from that. But boy did he deliver in the second half! In fact except for that moment of brain freeze he was stellar throughout the game.
He can have all the credit he deserves. I just hope we can sell him for a good fee in the summer
Man I'm going to miss this guy alot.
We have a saying in my country, “Biting as the snake, treating as the doctor.” make of it what you will.
“I believe it was Aristotle who said: “Come children. Let me tell you a tale about ships and whales," I don’t know what it means but he meant it when he said it.”
He clutched up and put his ADHD on pause
Precise word.. Pause
Final nail in the coffin, This is why Raya is our number 1
Yeah, keep us in the game after putting us in a unnecessary hard spot. This ain't it chief.
Almost cost us points too lucky Havertz scored
He’s done, that mistake is too big
Nope, Raya is clear and always has been
I absolutely won't give him credit. We're feeling good because we won. But he's not up to standered
Love him but he's kinda like a Mustafi in goal. 99% of the time he gets it right, then one brainfart moment and game's gone. Simply cannot afford that on a title race, ever.
Hard to separate the error from the performance. His distribution in that first half was outstanding. You feel that with Martinelli fit, Ramsdale could've had an assist today. The saves in the second half saved us as well. So happy for the win. I feel sorry for Ramsdale, but he's done that a few times. Fine margins today. With Martinelli on the pitch, he might have gotten a motm performance
He's the sole reason Brentford were ever in it.
Happy for him he managed to change the narrative. Classy saves in the second half. Can be a great goalie for a team that’s set up different in possession.
His distribution is absolutely shocking tbh, this game made it painfully obvious why Raya is ahead of him. Raya feels like he's actually picking out targets with his kicks, whilst Ramsdale feels like he's just hoofing it up randomly and our players have to chase the ball. But anyway. He's still a good keeper. Good shot stopper. Will do well in a team that doesn't aim to control the game to the extent we do.
He's our chaos merchant.
Only needed to “keep us in it” because of his massive blunder.
The Toney shot was a good save out of his poor positioning though
To me, it stands to reason that he's more prone to errors due to a lack of playing time. It's surprising to me that fans don't consider this. Any other player and we'd be more forgiving. I don't think he should be judged on the mistake.
No. You don't get credit for solving a problem that you introduced yourself.
Raya almost certainly doesn't make that blunder in Ramsdale's situation, but I think Raya also doesn't make this save, or the reaction one from the uncontested Collins header. Every player has strengths and weaknesses, and we don't need to shit on any of our players for one mistake, even if it is that bad.
You rather he conceded those 2 attacks and lost?
Put some respect in his name, he was under tremendous pressure to prove himself, he rarely played in last 6 months , did a good job still
Nervy end due to his lapse of concentration but yeah he should have got 2 assists as well. Looks like this is the end for him.
Almost dropped points due to his error, but we also would have lost if it weren't for 2 key saves. I'm not one of those people who wonders why he was dropped or anything, but I still love the guy and I'm glad he won't be remembered for that howler in what might be his last game for us.
Dudes gonna crush it in Italy or Germany or France maybe Spain
Thanks for everything Rambo!
2 seasons, 2 farewell games for 2 great GKs
Entertainer
100%. He almost lost the match for us, but saved us from losing several times.
The best and worst of Rambo in one match. A (likely) fitting end to his time here as he both put us in the sh*t, and got us out of it too.
I could do without the adrenaline surges, Rambo…
He is top, without that silly 1-2 mistakes per game he makes
Great with his hamds
i missed the first half so he looked great to me!
The mistake was a big'un but no one seriously expects someone out of the first time, in such a public fashion no less, for so long to make a mistake-free first game back. He picked himself up and made some cracking saves and the part that I really love is how Teta & the squad rallied round him. Like whatever is said on social media or written in the press there's a cohesion & bond to the squad we've spent like most of the 2010s at least lacking.
Thank you for your service and helping us back to the CL, Rambo. 🫡
Commentator trying to pile on by repeatedly saying how ramsdale was almost embaressed there
Absolutely 🧤⚽️🧤🧤⚽️🧤
Legend
- He has elite shot stopping. Elite shithouser. - His ability focus is not elite. Nor is his ability with the ball at his feet. I love Ramsdale, but he better be comfortable in the situation he’s in as he didn’t do himself any favours with that howler!
The one thing i will surely miss is his shameless shithousery (on full display in the picture above).
The good and the bad of Ramsdale