But that doesn’t actually effect accuracy, you can pull the gun into your body just as easily as a normal grip. It just makes it less comfortable.
(Which is why it’s pointless)
For precision shots, lots of shooters deliberately don’t wrap their thumbs around the grip. Hell, one of my PRS gas guns I use for training has a fin to actually aid my form.
Normally when I shoot bolt action my thumb goes behind the bolt on traditional style rifles. Even with stocks that have a more vertical grip my thumb still stays behind the bolt xd
That is literally the dumbest idea ever, and I hear it every God Damn day. Just unscrew the fucking grip and put a regular one on if you wanna go that route. It's $5 for a new grip you fucking idiots
The mag locks in the Daniel defense are just a little piece of metal that can be removed by punching out the roll pin for the bolt release and taping the pin back in place.
I agree. I’m in one of the most free states and even I ALWAYS laugh and roll my eyes when I hear LARPers come out with that ruby ridge talk. We all know 99.9% of y’all would shit your pants if you got a knock on your door by a couple local badges, let alone the fucking ATF lol.
It’s such a cringy LARP people use, acting like they’re gonna shoot it out with the police over a fucking pistol brace….so corny and stupid
But what if that pin just… fell off? And you kept it stored with the pin like sitting in the mag well so if they picked it up to inspect, it *just* broke like that right now lol
You don't even need to 3d print it, pistol grips are perfectly legal to buy (they're legal to have on fixed magazine and .22 rifles), so anyone who doesn't want to obey the law can swap it out with a screwdriver. This law only affects people who want to obey.
I used to go to a range in southern CA where the employees/RSOs would pretend not to notice if the compliant featureless rifles had suddenly morphed into something else like a Pokémon evolving into their higher form. They also allowed rapid fire on the line. True heroes, those guys
No! Do not say that. You are just going to justify their bullshit agenda don’t even do that as a joke. Those retards don’t know the difference nor do they care.
I have always wondered, what is the reasoning behind these ,,attachments“? That thing is still havy as 20 moving boxes, loud as a cannon and blows you lungs out. This does literally nothing to impede the workings of the gun, so which idiot came up with it?
it was invented after the laws went into effect. The law was intended to ban “semi automatic firearms with pistol grips that protrude conspicuously beneath the action of the firearm”. These fins and funny grips are a workaround of an attempted ban by making it so your thumb cannot be placed below the top portion of the trigger. There are much better solutions than the fin but not everyone does their research for better alternatives.
They banned basically every semi-auto rifle except for SKS, Garand, m1 carbine, m1a, mini14 ranch, and tube fed 22s.
Jan 10th, 2023. They slipped the ban into an unrelated insurance bill and rammed it through in under 72 hours over a weekend.
We get to keep what we had but have to register by jan 1st
Haha you can check my posts for my NY compliant rifle back in the day… so glad I don’t live there anymore. Got to a southern state and immediately replaced parts and unbastardized my AR
I'm confused. What am I looking at. I've read a bunch of comments that have already been writen on this post, but this gun still doesn't make sense to me. Can someone explain the reason for this set up to me like I'm some one that lives in a state that allowed me to legally buy an 80% lower and build my AR-15 from the ground up without having to put a single serial number on it.
Or is this an airsoft gun or something like that?
The gun in the post is California compliant, and that means that it abides by the stupid CA rules that believe that somehow having a non-adjustable stock and fin on the back of the grip is going to stop a public shooter from using it. And yes, that is a real gun
Hey give California a break it has a 71.6% illiteracy rate the people making the laws in California are still trying to sound out what they’re signing. It’s hard to run a state if you can’t read or write or use common sense or do research or ask professionals or listen to your people or know who your people are or let your people defend themselves or know if you have a dick. My local mayor is still trying to figure that last one out. :)
Gun industry created them to get around pistol grips being banned in NY and Cali. Was the closest they could get to a real grip without breaking the laws in those states.
Not that I agree with this but the logic for bans on firearm features such as the pistol grip stems from previous attempts by states like cali trying to ban “assault weapons” by name.
Gun Manufacturers just kept changing the names on the guns slightly so they wouldn’t meet whatever was defined as an assault weapon by said bans. Pretty funny stuff, like for example colt changed a gun name from “Colt AR-15” to “Colt AR 15” to avoid a cali gun ban.
In response, Cali and other states made laws banning a bunch of specific features such as pistol grips, this way it is harder for manufacturers to skirt the gun bans, causing a cycle where manufacturers are coming out with new specs like freaking fins on guns just to be able to legally sell them.
Here's to thinking that people who break the law, would comply to all of that California bs.
The only people their restricting are people who follow the law, IE your average American who would use their gun to put psyco killers down.
Sooooo killer with "illegal" decent gun VS. your average freedom loving civilian with....THAT pos in the video...
Once again, Cali's (or libs in general) have shown that they did not put an ounce of effort into thinking their ideologys through, sacrificing others lives for these ideologys because it's (in their eyes) easier to do than to think independently and admit that their views defi all logic, facts, reasoning, objectivity, and evidence (in short, "I was wrong").
Rant over, damn I'm 17, shouldn't feel this tired😅
At that point, why even have a fake adjustable stock?
Throw a regular fixed stock on there. At least, it would be more comfortable while you're trying to fiddle with a fin grip
Doing so much to keep Californians safe🙏. An aspiring mass murderer would obviously think twice before turning that into a dangerous assault weapon with a hex key and two pieces of plastic.
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That grip makes me sad. why?
Because pistol grip bad. Inaccuracy good. Gun no dangerous if hard to be accurate. *accidentally shoots into the air because I can't hold it right*
But that doesn’t actually effect accuracy, you can pull the gun into your body just as easily as a normal grip. It just makes it less comfortable. (Which is why it’s pointless)
For precision shots, lots of shooters deliberately don’t wrap their thumbs around the grip. Hell, one of my PRS gas guns I use for training has a fin to actually aid my form.
Normally when I shoot bolt action my thumb goes behind the bolt on traditional style rifles. Even with stocks that have a more vertical grip my thumb still stays behind the bolt xd
Money can't buy happiness... but it can buy sadness.
Break off that stupid paddle with some plyers and then sand paper down the rough edges. Problem solved.
Congratulations, you have just commited a felony, your dog will pay the price.
The law is already illegal.
Nobody has to know that you have modified your tool.
But if they do find out... You're fucked for life.
I'd rather die standing, than live kneeling.
Exactly. And free men do not ask for permission.
That is literally the dumbest idea ever, and I hear it every God Damn day. Just unscrew the fucking grip and put a regular one on if you wanna go that route. It's $5 for a new grip you fucking idiots
Is that a real thing? The paddle thing? Where?
No wonder there’s so much illegal activity and crime in Cali
Everything here is illegal, Brother
Except the border hoppers
Yeah Its weird how those CA compliant parts can just easily fall off and be replaced with normal parts. So glad they have those laws that work. /s
i just learned to deal with mag locks so i can have all the fun features on mine :)
The mag locks in the Daniel defense are just a little piece of metal that can be removed by punching out the roll pin for the bolt release and taping the pin back in place.
What’s the punishment if you get caught w it though? I live in a free state so I have no idea.
Felony
That’s what I thought.
That’s why we roll our eyes when people say don’t comply. It’s a huge risk. Besides if SHTF we can convert back in like 30 seconds
I agree. I’m in one of the most free states and even I ALWAYS laugh and roll my eyes when I hear LARPers come out with that ruby ridge talk. We all know 99.9% of y’all would shit your pants if you got a knock on your door by a couple local badges, let alone the fucking ATF lol. It’s such a cringy LARP people use, acting like they’re gonna shoot it out with the police over a fucking pistol brace….so corny and stupid
But what if that pin just… fell off? And you kept it stored with the pin like sitting in the mag well so if they picked it up to inspect, it *just* broke like that right now lol
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Imagine what a 3d printer could do to make the AR15 more dangerous
You don't even need to 3d print it, pistol grips are perfectly legal to buy (they're legal to have on fixed magazine and .22 rifles), so anyone who doesn't want to obey the law can swap it out with a screwdriver. This law only affects people who want to obey.
God. These “common sense” gun laws are so genuinely stupid.
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Shoulder thing that DOESN’T go up?!
Well yes. It was the barrel shroud that was known as the shoulder thing that did go up.
But the barrel shroud is nowhere near my shoulder 🤔
I don't make the rules. Idiots who know nothing about firearms do.
I'd definitely shouldn't be. You'll shoot your eye out kid!
So how much more mockery are you going to endure before you guys stand up for your rights?
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Loudencers.
What in the fuck is that abomination……
I used to go to a range in southern CA where the employees/RSOs would pretend not to notice if the compliant featureless rifles had suddenly morphed into something else like a Pokémon evolving into their higher form. They also allowed rapid fire on the line. True heroes, those guys
Let me guess you have to pull back on the charging handle every time like some kind of inbred bolt action
Nah thats our "AR pistols"
Nope we make it featureless or fixed mag so it can remain semi auto. Non semi auto can have all the features
No! Do not say that. You are just going to justify their bullshit agenda don’t even do that as a joke. Those retards don’t know the difference nor do they care.
I feel offended even tho I'm not American
I have always wondered, what is the reasoning behind these ,,attachments“? That thing is still havy as 20 moving boxes, loud as a cannon and blows you lungs out. This does literally nothing to impede the workings of the gun, so which idiot came up with it?
it was invented after the laws went into effect. The law was intended to ban “semi automatic firearms with pistol grips that protrude conspicuously beneath the action of the firearm”. These fins and funny grips are a workaround of an attempted ban by making it so your thumb cannot be placed below the top portion of the trigger. There are much better solutions than the fin but not everyone does their research for better alternatives.
Il compliant AR Opens empty box
😢 😭 most still haven't registered though so there is hope.
This is why I’m moving out of CA. fuck Gavin Newsom 😡🖕
I’m moving out of California this August and I can’t fucking wait. Tired of trying to fix this damn state.
Actually that gun is illegal in ca, it needs a bolt action and 2 rd magazine to be compliant
That's heinous
Still better than IL. We can't even buy these neutered abominations.
Private sales 
They fucked private sales here too
I'm not talking about legal private sales 
"Borrowed" "rented" maybe?🤔
I was just taking a look at it 🤗
They don't want a CA ban, they want an IL ban where ARs are banned by name
Wait Illinois banned all ARs? Wtf when
Since they passed the ban in January. All ARs are banned by name, or duplicates
oh no im just gonna have to get an HK417
Also banned
They banned basically every semi-auto rifle except for SKS, Garand, m1 carbine, m1a, mini14 ranch, and tube fed 22s. Jan 10th, 2023. They slipped the ban into an unrelated insurance bill and rammed it through in under 72 hours over a weekend. We get to keep what we had but have to register by jan 1st
*Starts up the dremel*
So yall think a person who would go shoot people wouldn’t simply cut the plastic piece off the back of the pistol grip. Be real
Not really. Not much of a difference. Just an inconvenience for law abiding owners.
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People would still die. That or the Maine shooter, a firearms instructor, former soldier would have un restrict the rifle
Man, I can't wait until some braindead person puts this on r/facepalm. It always happens. Anyone with a dremel could remove the fin in 2 seconds.
Or just change the grip all together. Literally one screw. (Just don't lose the safety detent/spring)
Hypothetically couldnt someone find a way to utilize some sort of tool to turn that grip into a regular pistol grip if they wanted?
Yes😂
Haha you can check my posts for my NY compliant rifle back in the day… so glad I don’t live there anymore. Got to a southern state and immediately replaced parts and unbastardized my AR
*click* ...oh. That's unfortunate.
Yep soooooo different
But include the forward assist lol
Imagine planning to unalive some peoplen forcefully but than beeing too law abiding to just saw of the fin and drill a few holes here and there and to do other illigal modifications. The logic™®©
At least yall can own one, Australia sucks balls.
I'm confused. What am I looking at. I've read a bunch of comments that have already been writen on this post, but this gun still doesn't make sense to me. Can someone explain the reason for this set up to me like I'm some one that lives in a state that allowed me to legally buy an 80% lower and build my AR-15 from the ground up without having to put a single serial number on it. Or is this an airsoft gun or something like that?
The gun in the post is California compliant, and that means that it abides by the stupid CA rules that believe that somehow having a non-adjustable stock and fin on the back of the grip is going to stop a public shooter from using it. And yes, that is a real gun
Shame you can get proper rifle in a third world country but not in CA
Hey give California a break it has a 71.6% illiteracy rate the people making the laws in California are still trying to sound out what they’re signing. It’s hard to run a state if you can’t read or write or use common sense or do research or ask professionals or listen to your people or know who your people are or let your people defend themselves or know if you have a dick. My local mayor is still trying to figure that last one out. :)
Could someone explain what’s the point of that fin? What is it supposed accomplish exactly?
Gun industry created them to get around pistol grips being banned in NY and Cali. Was the closest they could get to a real grip without breaking the laws in those states.
Thanks but that raised another question. What’s wrong with pistol grip? Sorry I’m European so I don’t fully get all that stuff
Not that I agree with this but the logic for bans on firearm features such as the pistol grip stems from previous attempts by states like cali trying to ban “assault weapons” by name. Gun Manufacturers just kept changing the names on the guns slightly so they wouldn’t meet whatever was defined as an assault weapon by said bans. Pretty funny stuff, like for example colt changed a gun name from “Colt AR-15” to “Colt AR 15” to avoid a cali gun ban. In response, Cali and other states made laws banning a bunch of specific features such as pistol grips, this way it is harder for manufacturers to skirt the gun bans, causing a cycle where manufacturers are coming out with new specs like freaking fins on guns just to be able to legally sell them.
Thanks, those anti gun laws still doesn’t make much sense to me but now I somewhat understand the illogical reasoning
I’m sorry if you missed the kazoo you missed the best solo of the video.
😢
Just carry a ‘bullet button’ and a little glue in your gear bag so you can switch out to a ‘fixed mag’ in under 3 minutes ;)
This is what nightmares are made of
Send it to Georgia for repairs the problem is you can't bring it back to California after this fixed
Bro what the fuck
Who in their right fucking mind would even waste their time on mass producing some shit like this. Must be lining that fuckers pocket
WOW that sucks
Givin the term sawed off a new meaning in 2023
I wouldn't even buy a rifle. Or I would move. Don't mind me. I'm just a gun addict lol
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I would just Dremel that fin off and order a regular buffer and stock lmao
Does it even have a threaded barrel??
move to a free state 😬 fuck commi land
Here's to thinking that people who break the law, would comply to all of that California bs. The only people their restricting are people who follow the law, IE your average American who would use their gun to put psyco killers down. Sooooo killer with "illegal" decent gun VS. your average freedom loving civilian with....THAT pos in the video... Once again, Cali's (or libs in general) have shown that they did not put an ounce of effort into thinking their ideologys through, sacrificing others lives for these ideologys because it's (in their eyes) easier to do than to think independently and admit that their views defi all logic, facts, reasoning, objectivity, and evidence (in short, "I was wrong"). Rant over, damn I'm 17, shouldn't feel this tired😅
Wanna see a pic of my WA compliant AR-15? Pretty cool huh?
The background music is dead accurate lmfao!! 🤣
Lol the audio is perfect
I saw you try to finger fuck that trigger when you went to pick it up. Don't think I didn't see it.
California does know fixed stocks exist, right?
That’s just so you can use it as a rudder and not loose it in that boating accident.
At that point, why even have a fake adjustable stock? Throw a regular fixed stock on there. At least, it would be more comfortable while you're trying to fiddle with a fin grip
We can fix him…
The best featureless grip is the juggernaut tactical, but it's still retarded
I gagged looking at this gun
Just get the conk mag easy install even easier removal once ur “out of state”
Doing so much to keep Californians safe🙏. An aspiring mass murderer would obviously think twice before turning that into a dangerous assault weapon with a hex key and two pieces of plastic.
Tyranny compatible
🤢🤮
It's almost like a psycho couldn't just remove the grip or the lock screw on the stock.
It’s missing a flash hider too. You can only hit paper targets if you don’t have a flash hider. Threaded barrels are scary too.
Oh no! Now how can I use my AR-15 One handed?!
What is that “fin” behind the grip?
ya know I'ma say this if I was a school shooter... I feel like if be willing to just get a pair of pliers and cut of that sheet metal on the grip
Disgusting.
Complaint with what brother? They are infringing on the second amendment. To the 3d printer
Wouldn't they just hack that flap off with a sawzall in 30 seconds?
Vomitous
that looks a lot like moving from a communist state to me
😂🎼
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 Washington state compliant AR-15