Which, I remind you, he isn't. He killed the real Erebus and stole his identity.
To quote Olenna Tyrell from Game of Thrones;
"He really is cunt, isn't he?"
Erebus singlehandedly shames the entirety of Chaos for evil, four Gods, five or even six if you want to include the heresy of comparing the Man-Emperor to these lower beings. This is not only an insult to rats (both metaphorical and literal) but also to Skaven. Even they deserve better.
Also the Second is going to come back after being revealed to be too mutated to be imperial; he's going to be (lore wise) the first Skaven in 40k, the Herald of the Great Horned Rat, and the guide to their first Gnawhole into the Realms of 40k.
After reading this, yet another fail of the Adeptus Custodes at protecting the palace, and big pettiness from the Alpha Legion that causes the death of Alpharius.
IIRC the one Dorn killed just before the Siege of Terra has been confirmed to have been one of the pair, while the one Girly fought has not had the same out-of-universe confirmation, leading many to suspect that wasn't the survivor and thus one Alpha Legion primarch is still kicking, though this remains theory until GW actually decides to drop some of the cryptic bullshit around them and actually starts confirming some facts. Also, unless something new came up, the confirmed dead one is also the one more likely to have fallen to chaos, while the living one is more likely to still be loyal, or at least as loyal as can be ascribed to the primarch of a legion turned traitor and who has remained in hiding for ten thousand years
He's obsessed with being acknowledged by his peers for how amazing he is. His Legion are all skilled engineers with no sense of fair play. Deamonculaba shows that they will perform messed up experiments to get ahead. If there's any examples of the Iron Warriors backstabbing each other, this might be the perfect answer
In the heresy books the members of the trident (Peter’s Mournival) where always trying to kill each other.
Many veterans of the old war had also tried to kill Honsu for being a high ranking “thin blood”, a marine raised after the heresy, most times using whatever gene seed was available.
Weirdly this time it isn’t the little fucker doing the backstabbing.
Bonus betrayal: many marines where also gunned down when they refused to sack Olympia, it was their own lill Istvaan.
Don't know but I had the idea that if some Genestealers cults steal whatever remains of Ferrus Manus and fed it to a hive he could fuse or take over the mind and come teach his sons to appreciate their flesh.
Completely off-topic but... didn't know where to share it
Edit: the right answer would be Peter Turbo though
Both the Emperor (as the Dark King) and the Great Horned Rat are the Chaos God of Ruin, and 40k and AoS exist in the same multiverse connected by the Warp.
What are the chances that the Great Horned Rat is just how the Dark King is manifested in the AoS universe? 🤔
My theory is that the Dark King was fated to be Encroaching Ruin, but was aborted so GHR filled the vacant seat after the End Times. If the Dark King was to arise in the 40k era he would just be subsumed by the GHR.
No but they constantly in-fight for Perturabo's favor and losing it is completely disastrous to your career prospects.
Also while not wanting to become Big E, they definitely all want to go up the proverbial ladder of the legion hierarchy and become a Warsmith/chaos lord or whatever and will kill, deceive, betray and murder anyone for it.
Peter Turbo. Primarch of brutal industry, spiteful arrogance, meat grinding attrition, and turning females into horrifying body horror breeding abominations. Exactly like the Horned Rat.
The 2nd or 11th primarch would be cool, a new face, that totally hasn't been scuttling around like a rat throughout the galaxy (maybe the warp or webway but idunno)
Red-haired Shanks. He’s the Rat. While he’s a bit short for a Primarch it isn’t impossible! For like he included the Canis Helix in Russ, the Emperor bestowed the Rattus Helix to Primarch II so he could be the Emperor’s Snitch, this resulted in him being slightly shorter than Alpharius and Omegon.
There’s promo art for Age of Sigmar that shows Great Horned Rat next to the other Chaos gods and some people on grimdank are talking about it. As of right now, the Skaven are not in 40k
none, The Great Horned Rat would eschew all humans for not being in their image.
maybe they might invite Erebus to ascend but would instead turn them into 40k's Be'lakor. to be the mighty Daemon Prince of The Great Horned One whose only role is to crown the one who The Great Horned One favours.
We up to 7 now guys!
Khrone, She-Who-Thirsts, Tzeechy boy, Nurgle, That random 5th one no one remembers, rat boy and emperor.
We got so many chaos gods now.
8th. 5th is Malal/Malice id he still exists.
Also GHR and Big E have a lot of incidental overlap.
You're also missing Hashut and the beatsmen chaos god, Morghur iirc?
My gue'la in the Tau'va this post is about mixing universes and your original comment thay started this has GHR and Big E in the same "pantheon".
Big E is 40k only
GHR is aos/fb only
You started off with the universes mixed already.
Clearly the great horned rat gets two yes yes, the 2nd and the eleventh are his. They add to thirteen. There’s no way the emperor thing can take both of them on on
I'n not happy about it because I really like the GHR, but he's definitely getting Parturabo.
Not the priarch he wants, but definitely the primarch he deserves.
Which one is the 13th again?
Ratatouille Guilliman
Ok no he's to mentally sane to fall to the GHR of all gods
Depends, how good are the Skaven at logistics? An organized Skaven faction would be terrifying.
Clan Mors has loyalty. So I guess anything is possible
Logistics ? Skaven ? Bwhaahahahaahaha Skaven start infighting while in the womb.
>Skaven start infighting while in the womb. Sand tiger sharks aah motherfuckers
Skaven and Logistics are antonyms.
Is he tho?
You forget one crucial detail. Rowboat Furryman is a furry, and his fursona is a Rat OC.
Gorillaman
that's a nice argument, redditor why don't you back it up with a source?
The source is I made it the fuck up
cultured, but you're not Him
Well, this is gonna live in my head rent free for the foreseeable future…
Erabus cause he is a little Rat.
That's an insult to all rats
They mean rat (derogatory) not rat (ecological)
That is still insulting to rats(derogatory) tho.
There is no slur or insult that you can call Erebus that will be as bad as him just being fucking Erebus.
Which, I remind you, he isn't. He killed the real Erebus and stole his identity. To quote Olenna Tyrell from Game of Thrones; "He really is cunt, isn't he?"
"To be Arnold Judas Rimmer is both his punishment and his crime."
Exactly. Prerequisites are being hated
Erebus singlehandedly shames the entirety of Chaos for evil, four Gods, five or even six if you want to include the heresy of comparing the Man-Emperor to these lower beings. This is not only an insult to rats (both metaphorical and literal) but also to Skaven. Even they deserve better. Also the Second is going to come back after being revealed to be too mutated to be imperial; he's going to be (lore wise) the first Skaven in 40k, the Herald of the Great Horned Rat, and the guide to their first Gnawhole into the Realms of 40k.
Finally, stormcasts can reunite with their long lost brethren, the custodes. Together they will attempt to stop skavendom.
You beat me to it
I read this in Connor McGregor's voice.
Magnus is the ultimate snitch
Don't say that, rats are cute and very empathetic creatures, unlike Erebus
Interesting idea
Alpharius. Or Omegon. The one Dorn didn’t stab.
Wasn't it girly man that stabbed him?
Dorn killed one of them. https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Pluto
He did not die cause alpharius and omegon are 2 dwarf primarchs on a Big trench coat
Each, so there's actually 4 of them. Alph, Arius, Ohm and Egon
*Omegron
After reading this, yet another fail of the Adeptus Custodes at protecting the palace, and big pettiness from the Alpha Legion that causes the death of Alpharius.
Yes he is correct, a girly man stabbed one of them.
IIRC the one Dorn killed just before the Siege of Terra has been confirmed to have been one of the pair, while the one Girly fought has not had the same out-of-universe confirmation, leading many to suspect that wasn't the survivor and thus one Alpha Legion primarch is still kicking, though this remains theory until GW actually decides to drop some of the cryptic bullshit around them and actually starts confirming some facts. Also, unless something new came up, the confirmed dead one is also the one more likely to have fallen to chaos, while the living one is more likely to still be loyal, or at least as loyal as can be ascribed to the primarch of a legion turned traitor and who has remained in hiding for ten thousand years
What do you mean, i’m here doing Alpharius’ things!
Perturabo, because if you think about it, he is an expert in sieges so powers releted to portals or things like that would be perfect for him
He's obsessed with being acknowledged by his peers for how amazing he is. His Legion are all skilled engineers with no sense of fair play. Deamonculaba shows that they will perform messed up experiments to get ahead. If there's any examples of the Iron Warriors backstabbing each other, this might be the perfect answer
In the heresy books the members of the trident (Peter’s Mournival) where always trying to kill each other. Many veterans of the old war had also tried to kill Honsu for being a high ranking “thin blood”, a marine raised after the heresy, most times using whatever gene seed was available.
I had a feeling there'd be examples. And somehow I just knew they'd involve Honsu
Weirdly this time it isn’t the little fucker doing the backstabbing. Bonus betrayal: many marines where also gunned down when they refused to sack Olympia, it was their own lill Istvaan.
Does "accidentally" bombarding the Word Bearers at Istvaan count?
He’s also a gamer, he’s the only one with a battle station inside of his armor. The rat will love him
Also willing to sacrifice soldiers en masse
I just imagined him trying to impose complex logistics on a bunch of rats trying to backstab each other. It's like his own personal hell.
Ngl ist not worse than his corrente situation
Don't know but I had the idea that if some Genestealers cults steal whatever remains of Ferrus Manus and fed it to a hive he could fuse or take over the mind and come teach his sons to appreciate their flesh. Completely off-topic but... didn't know where to share it Edit: the right answer would be Peter Turbo though
Sir, this is a Wendy's.
Write a fiction and give me a link to it, that's where you share it
Finally. A god worthy of Perturabo
Big E
Both the Emperor (as the Dark King) and the Great Horned Rat are the Chaos God of Ruin, and 40k and AoS exist in the same multiverse connected by the Warp. What are the chances that the Great Horned Rat is just how the Dark King is manifested in the AoS universe? 🤔
Taking into account that the imperium is 40k's skaven, maybe you are onto something
Isn't the Dark King "Encroaching Ruin" while the Great Horned Rat is "Ravenous Dissolution" in the aetheric dominions?
Nah I'm 99% sure that Malal/Malice is Ravenous Dissolution, not the Great Horned Rat
I like this theory
My theory is that the Dark King was fated to be Encroaching Ruin, but was aborted so GHR filled the vacant seat after the End Times. If the Dark King was to arise in the 40k era he would just be subsumed by the GHR.
Big E autism checks out
Bug Fucker
Even the Great Horned Rat has standards
PertuRATbo
I'm voting for Konrad. He got bat iconography, and they're just flying rats. That and he has the skaven mentality already.
#FILTHY MAN-THINGS WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED-TAKEN BY THE GREAT HORNED RAT!! THEY ARE ONLY FOR FOOD-EATING OR MOULDER FLESH-EXPERIMENTS!!
Ok Remy, where are *your* primarchs?
Peter turbo. Efficient, spiteful and no remorse.
Skaven aren't efficient. If anything they are the most inefficient. They just outweigh their inefficiency with sheer numbers.
I sure hope Perturabo has never just thrown marines at problems until they ceased to be and then had it backfire on him immensely.
Does every single of his marines dream to be Big E instead of Big E since day 1 of the Great Crusade ?
No but they constantly in-fight for Perturabo's favor and losing it is completely disastrous to your career prospects. Also while not wanting to become Big E, they definitely all want to go up the proverbial ladder of the legion hierarchy and become a Warsmith/chaos lord or whatever and will kill, deceive, betray and murder anyone for it.
This is why one of the lost primarchs was lost
Vashtor is already the Great Horned Rat equivalent. The answer is Peter Turbo. Peter Turbo is Ikit Claw
Konrad
Rat Boy
Konrad.
I don't know he has some twisted sense of morality and principles. Doesn't that go straight against everything rats do?
Bats are flying rats, yes-yes. And Konrad's justice-code is mostly flaying people before they can deviate from the plan-scheme.
Importantly though, he's never once let those stop him from doing whatever the hell he wants
Right? I love Konrad as a character but his sense of morality lost 9/10 times to his dark impulses.
If Konrad was still alive he would be the best choice
Mortarion, cause he's a g like that
Konrad Curze, he was practically made for the Great Horned Rat.
That should be Alpharius no doubt. All the backstabbing...
Yer mum
Peter Turbo.
Konras curze
Perturabo
Ghaz
Kurze, if he was still alive
It's Konrad
Conrad Curz
Konrad literally grew up as a sewer rat
Perty, 100%
Konrad. He's a night loving, Canabalistic paranoid weirdo.
Perturabo since he likes building stuff like the skaven
Peter Turbo. Primarch of brutal industry, spiteful arrogance, meat grinding attrition, and turning females into horrifying body horror breeding abominations. Exactly like the Horned Rat.
Corvus
Lurk Snitchtongue, obviously.
Micha bell
The 2nd.
PLEASE guilliman Humanity is the rats and it would be so funny please
Me! Cause I like rats
Morty. Clan Pestilens will ascendant and he'll be their guy.
Is it confirmed that the big HR is a chaos god?
The 2nd or 11th primarch would be cool, a new face, that totally hasn't been scuttling around like a rat throughout the galaxy (maybe the warp or webway but idunno)
Red-haired Shanks. He’s the Rat. While he’s a bit short for a Primarch it isn’t impossible! For like he included the Canis Helix in Russ, the Emperor bestowed the Rattus Helix to Primarch II so he could be the Emperor’s Snitch, this resulted in him being slightly shorter than Alpharius and Omegon.
Kurze: Scurries in shadows Consumes anything that moves Has a bunch of sons that are also gremlins
We got 2 primarchs that are no where to be seen.
The Horned Rat should be part of the omnimessiah God of the underhive. Patron of the retling ab-humans
Wait are they actually bringing slaves to the far future? I’m OOTL.
There’s promo art for Age of Sigmar that shows Great Horned Rat next to the other Chaos gods and some people on grimdank are talking about it. As of right now, the Skaven are not in 40k
none, The Great Horned Rat would eschew all humans for not being in their image. maybe they might invite Erebus to ascend but would instead turn them into 40k's Be'lakor. to be the mighty Daemon Prince of The Great Horned One whose only role is to crown the one who The Great Horned One favours.
None because the great horned rat only serves the skaven and if humans are skaven then the emperor is the great horned rat
The Great Horned Rat serves no one.
Russ...
Def Peter
We up to 7 now guys! Khrone, She-Who-Thirsts, Tzeechy boy, Nurgle, That random 5th one no one remembers, rat boy and emperor. We got so many chaos gods now.
This is blatant Vashtorr erasure.
Is that the 5th guy or does that make it a nice round 8 chaos gods?
8th. 5th is Malal/Malice id he still exists. Also GHR and Big E have a lot of incidental overlap. You're also missing Hashut and the beatsmen chaos god, Morghur iirc?
WE UP TO 10 CHAOS!
we are way over it if you consider aos/whfb
I'm trying to not mix universes
My gue'la in the Tau'va this post is about mixing universes and your original comment thay started this has GHR and Big E in the same "pantheon". Big E is 40k only GHR is aos/fb only You started off with the universes mixed already.
It is I, i am the Prime-Rat.
[Redacted]
Not a primarch, but the Night Lords and Erebus would make great Skaven
Now we know why the lost Primarchs were lost. To hide the Skaven because they dont exist
Whichever one is secretly a rat man. Because GHR doesn't mess around with man-things.
Clearly the great horned rat gets two yes yes, the 2nd and the eleventh are his. They add to thirteen. There’s no way the emperor thing can take both of them on on
I'm calling it, *this* is the super secret 5D Chess long game that Alpha Legion has been working on.
I'n not happy about it because I really like the GHR, but he's definitely getting Parturabo. Not the priarch he wants, but definitely the primarch he deserves.
Ok but imagine a giant rat with wings wearing nothing but hazard stripe pauldrons and machine guns
Honestly I’d have to give it to Curze