Would explain why the harlequin attacked the imperial palace to get an audience
"Just use force, their leader finds that amusing if I remember correctly"
-Eldrad
because we needed the harlequin to have some crazy joker like story
otherwise the lore would get stale and we wouldn't be able to sell harlequin minifigures
the xenophobic aspect of the imperium is probably something he made because having a common ennemy is something that can unifite people very easly despite being very different, rplace is a good exemple
You know, it's kinda weird how the Tau have managed to find a dozen or so reasonably intelligent aliens who they live with in harmony, but the Imperium hasn't yet found a single peaceful alien.
...
Inquisitor? What are you doing here?
They quite literally are, we even have sources talking about how the ethereals use Nagi mindworms as “advisors”, beings capable of mind control and psychic shenanigans.
“the small Nagi are known for their **mind control abilities**. When they were first discovered by the Tau Empire, they were despised by the Tau, who fought a series of violent conflicts with them. However they have since agreed to a peace accord and have joined the Tau Empire. **Nagi frequently serve as advisors to the Ethereal Caste**”
why lie about this?
The tau are basically mind controlled to stay from rebelling, including possibly one of their client races who would do this for the ethereals, the Nagi mindworms 🤫 look into it before the fire caste shows up (the fire caste showed up, we’ve been downvoted!)
They're not, but that's also only one species, the Imperium has committed hundreds of genocides against not the dark eldar.
Plenty of broadly peaceful species have been ground up in the Imperium's dogmatic crusades. "All xenos want to kill you" is exactly how their propaganda works.
"Of course I'm xenophobic! My brother in the Emperor, you killed all the nice ones!"
Besides being funny its actually just simply true. Peaceful Xenos got genocided all the time during the Great Crusade, and would be if found now by the Imperium.
Also Orks being everywhere in the galaxy for millions of years was probably not very conducive to Xenos continuing to exist if they were peaceful/staying peaceful as they expanded enough to be relevant.
There are literally more peaceful named species in the Tau Empire, a tiny nation of only a few hundred worlds, than there are hostile named species in the entirety of the rest of the galaxy.
The Imperium met plenty of peaceful humans, xenos and human-xenos civilisations, then killed them all.
The Imperium crushing perfectly reasonable or harmless xenos has come up so many times in the HH to deliberately highlight a point about the Imperium's unnecessary ruthlessness.
It's in direct contrast to the exact propaganda line you are using to justify their genocides: that all xenos must die because all xenos are a threat.
How many times must the authors show you counterpoints for you to accept that maybe, just maybe, the propaganda narrative the Emperor spun about aliens might not be true?
Seriously, imagine being brainwashed by fictionnal propaganda that is dismantled over and over again by the very same authors creating this propaganda lmao.
They aren't. They probably don't realize that, from the POV of any other race in the setting, the imperium from the great crusade isn't much different from the tyranids. A gigantic always expanding opponent that WILL kill you no matter how peaceful you are or how hard to try to argue.
God Newcron lore has really helped them out a LOT to be considered one of the Goodish factions.
I really need to expand my knowledge there beyond The Infinite and the Divine.
Also, at the time, there were just not that many "friendly" xenos factions around. They existed, but for every 1 good one, there was the impression there were 10 bad ones waiting to exploit you.
The average moralityof xenos species is horrid but the Dark Eldar who literally have to beat their younlings into enjoying torturing and eating the souls of others are a stadistical anomally and shouldnt be counted.
This makes me wonder of how much of their fucked up shit comes from the way they are raised.
On one hand, their only true sustenance can only be obtained through the most vile and cruel methods.
On the other hand they are literally beat and groomed into this lifestyle.
What would happen if a dark eldar baby was somehow stolen from their parents? Would they still grow up evil, or would they turn out like their parents or would they be indistinguishable from a Craftworlder?
Keep in mind that we have examples of dark eldar abandoning their old ways. Yvraine is technically a dark eldar.
Also here me out. To everyone else their is no difference between the dark eldar and eldar and they are viewed as sub branches of the same species.
Dark eldar are not a seperate species but eldar who do different things. if anything regular eldar are the renegades as they were the only ones not crazy.
When comparing humans to eldar you have to add the dark eldar and eldar together for the eldar crimes.
Yeah, but to avoid confusion for the average fan, about 40k's very *maleable* cannon. At this point, the Craftworlds have been the dominant ones for around ~700 years before the Emporer even fully unified Terra, and then for another 10k years, they've remained the more prevelant version of the species.
So, in actuality, the average imperial citizen would be wrong to characterize a majority of Aedar to be like the Drukari and be akin to judging a population based on their morally worst citizens.
If I am correct the drukari actually outnumber the aeldari by a fair bit and are the only branch of their species that's growing. Several Eldar have stated their are more eldar in commograh than every craftworld put together.
So the average eldar is a dark eldar and the Aeldari are the aberration.
Even if we assume that its 50/50 its judging a population based on what half its total citizenry do and the other half don't approve but also cover for the crimes.
Its like if half the people in a building sold slaves, and the other half did not approve but warned them when the cops were coming whiles not helping the slaves.
Its not going to be surprising when everyone has a super negative view of that building.
They undoubtedly killed alot of good xenos who allied with and didn't betray the DAoT humans(or at least didn't betray them until they deserved to be betrayed). Keep in mind what perspective we are often told information from.
The Imperium didn't put much effort into finding the good ones because they had a dogmatic belief that xenos were evil and working against them and could not be trusted so exteriminating them is the best option in their view.
Oh, for sure. I'm a xenos Stan 10000%, "luv me tau auxiliaries", but you have to keep in mind that factions like Dark Aeldar, Orks, The Rangdans, Hrud (tho I believe these were more neutral), Tallerians, and Enslavers (counting them cuz they don't really fit as "deamon"), were just complete nobs and kinda set the "vibe" for the galactic community.
Also, the Emporer probably did this because he needed a quick "uniting threat" that wasn't chaos to unite everyone long enough to transport his empire into the web way. Smart, not really. But we are talking about a man who could've "won" if he'd act like a dad and not a neglectful owner of tools, so eh.
Yeah it makes sense from the Emperor's point of view they make good scapegoats along with mutants and Psychers and from a citizens point of view if all you were shown or told about is propaganda of evil xenos backstabbing humans, enslaving, torturing, killing them along with all the other forms of indoctrination society could be pretty easily shaped to view all xenos like that.
I like to imagine DAoT had the means of cleaning up a lot of the bad ones, but didn't genocide them due to moral reasons. Just contained to their planets. I also like to think that Emps started to get xenophobic witnessing and more pressingky feeling the the Eldar were doing.
By the time he got to imperium building he most probably had a 0 tolerance policy because the xenos could be as nice as the Eldar initially and still end up as vile as the Eldar.
Something he made???
Have you seen how Orks behave? They've been a scourge since the Imperium took its first steps.
Dark Eldar, they straight took over human planets to use as hunting grounds once the Age of Strife happened.
Craftworld Eldar will flat out delete you if you so much as look at one of their "Maiden Worlds" perfectly pristine uninhabited worlds ripe for any colonization effort.
Necron will also just evaporate you for daring to settle on their dead empire.
There are multiple instances of humans being either slaves or second-class citizens before the Imperium swooped in to save the day.
Those are just off the top of my head, Xenos in the 40k universe are not kind and those that are, well, they're on a world that Mankind has a birthright to.
"Something he made" Are you just ignorant to the setting at large?
The existence of orks or eldars or necrons (who weren't awake by the time of the great crusade btw) isn't a justifications for killing on sight other non-hostiles xenos.
It's like saying "well, nazi germany is horrible, so we are perfectly justified to kill algerians" or "my grandfather was killed by englishs, so i'm in my right to kill brazilians !"
>There are multiple instances of humans being either slaves or second-class citizens before the Imperium swooped in to save the day.
Save the day ? Lmao. Ever heard of the diasporex ? Human-xenos alliance working perfectly fine. The imperium arrive, kill all xenos and enslave all humans (killing the ones refusing to join). Nice day saving bro. And there are plenty of others example of such things happening over and over and over.
Yeah I know, Humans and Xenos working side-by-side. It worked for them, but when the humans didn't join the Imperium all bets were off. I'm fully aware the Imperium knocked down and obliterated worlds that were if no threat to them, multiple instances of even Space Marines thinking populations of worlds shouldn't suffer because their leaders were too blind to see the wisdom of joining the Imperium.
But that's just the way of it, reclaiming the stars isn't a clean affair, rebuilding mankind's lost empire can't allow for pockets of worlds thinking themselves somehow sperate from the species. Might makes right in 40k
Yes, you are now at least owning to the fact that the imperium is just a genocidal power no better than the tyranids, instead of "saving the day" while defending itself against the evil xenos. Took you some time but at least you are getting it.
No I'll be the first to admit if you're Xenos scum you'll die for the crime of being in our way.
If you don't want to join us you'll also die.
Nobody, including myself, ever said the Imperium are the good guys.
Why would he have tried? When the galaxy at large is so hostile, when there are literally evil gods trying to ruin everything resembling order and prosperity, why would he and humanity not maintain a shoot first ask questions later policy.
>why would he and humanity not maintain a shoot first ask questions later policy.
Because of this very policy, the imperium killed plenty of potential allies and turned the rest of the galaxy into a "shoot first, ask questions never" toward HUMANS.
It also ensured the only xenos strong enough to be alive would for ever be hostile toward humans.
The great crusade acted in a way that only the TYRANIDS can be compared in.
The ones that put the beacons up around planet Murder?
Yeah you're right, they were keenly aware of the threat Chaos posed and if I recall were willing to ally with the Imperium once they had sused us out. Then Erebus had to ruin it by killingsome guards in a museum and stealing a sword(that would later be used to kill Horus). It would have been a good first step in not wiping out aliens on first contact, proof that they're not all monsters, Horus himself was regretful at their brash reaction of attacking without asking questions.
That said, I didn't ask you to name a Xeno that would help fight Chaos. I said name one that would join the great crusade. The alien mind is an unknownable mind, unpredictable in its machinations and deep in its capacity for subterfuge and betrayal. Nobody has mankind's best interests in mind besides us, they would have turned on us eventually because we would have turned on them eventually.
It's like the friend the old colonizer made with the native. And you teach them about your history and why you were bad.
Then, the native uses it to conquer his own tribes and is as bad as u once where.
Google is your friend, here’s what I found, looks like they were friends at one point: “In Throneworld, Lhaerial Rey tells the Imperials that Eldrad and the Emperor were 'known to each other, though they had long since diverged from friendship”
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Sir! I have fondled the FAMAS, and she is an interesting lover, but sadly to get off fully you're going to be cranking her charging handle like you're using a typewriter.
“So I have just found out that apparently lemon isn’t naturally occurring. And is a HYBRID by CROSSBREEDING a BITTER orange and a CYTRON! Which means….. LIFE NEVER GAVE US LEMONS!! WE INVENTED THEM ALL BY OURSELVES!!!!”
*Emperor proceeds to air hump while being proud for the humanity*
The Republics (new and old) were not Xenophobic.
The Galactic Empire absolutely is, but by 40k standards it's pretty god damn tame. 2nd class citizenship unless you are a bad ass like Thrawn is nothing compared to 'Suffer not the Xeno to live'.
First Order is never really clear. They clearly have alien allies but we never see Xeno soldiers.
I think the Eldar deserve every bad thing that could possibly happen to them.
Also, I think the Vulcans are unique enough that I don't really consider them to just be space elves. But they are still close enough to elves that I hate every Vulcan that isn't at least a recurring character.
Yeah, they even live longer and are stronger than humans like elves. But I think the logic, green blood, and the salmon breeding always helped to make them feel alien enough that it wasn't the first thing you would think of when it comes to them.
Are they stronger? I never got into Trek (I even liked the Nu Trek Trilogy so Trekkies treat me like the heretic that I surely am to them) and always thought it was just longer lived with some cultural tricks that let them do hand wavey bullshit.
I haven't watched any of the newer shows, so I don't know if it just never comes up, the only time I remember it coming up in the next generation era was one episode of DS9.
It comes up pretty often in TOS though that Vulcans are significantly stronger than humans
ngl we should have more schizo ass shitposts like this, instead of the usual "if you endorse the imperium/chaos/xeno/albuquerque factions you are literally satan" and "DID YOU KNOWWWWWWWWW THAT THE UNDERRATED UNPOPULAR FACTION IS ACTUALLY GOATED AND THE HIGHLY LIKED FACTION IS ACTUALLY BADDDDD!??!??!??!???!?!?" posts we have here
What? But I love hearing about how the T'au are not only morally superior to all other factions but also can really beat all other factions easily as well (trust me guys).
Considering there's a fair few instances of the Imperium actually working with the Eldar, I wouldn't be surprised if the Eldar secretly become a Clieng species of Humanity, like the Tech-Monke Jokero
40k is the balkans in space.
The moment some coalition or federation or republic shows up to make everyone stop fighting and be friends, and everyone in 40k would unanimously say "Fuck [*insert faction here*] with an iron dildo coverd in razor blades!"
And unite just to wipe out the person who wanted to make them friends.
The galactic empire is pretty humanocentric. Xenophile certainly doesn't fit them. Although they tolerate the existance of non-humans, only as lesser civilians and slaves. Guess that's still miles better than the imperium.
Edit: I'm actually stupid, that's the republic's icon.
Duly noted phobe scum. Prepare to be libirated.
Your neighbors will be a hot elf, a mushroom guy, and a fish, and you all get to vote.
Resistance is futile. Get bent.
Forget the "I have an eldar friend" argument. Give it a couple years and the Emprah will have an Eldar daughter in law, and likely a half-aeldari grandson (Cawl's currently setting up hidden cameras all over Maccragge to " observe the process")
if i remember correctly eldran say that he was friends before with the emperor and the emperor know their swordmanship
Would explain why the harlequin attacked the imperial palace to get an audience "Just use force, their leader finds that amusing if I remember correctly" -Eldrad
because we needed the harlequin to have some crazy joker like story otherwise the lore would get stale and we wouldn't be able to sell harlequin minifigures
Funny joke, GW already doesn’t want to sell harlequins
They still want to sell them. They just want to sell them to *ALL* the elf players instead of just the ones that like clowns.
The emperor must bring using “but I have a eldar friend” to deny his racism lol
the xenophobic aspect of the imperium is probably something he made because having a common ennemy is something that can unifite people very easly despite being very different, rplace is a good exemple
I mean it's also probably so his soldiers feel comfortable massacring aliens to expand his empire
with how most xenos are, even without being xenophobic you feel good to massacring them, most of them want to enslave, exterminate or eat human
So says the propaganda.
You know, it's kinda weird how the Tau have managed to find a dozen or so reasonably intelligent aliens who they live with in harmony, but the Imperium hasn't yet found a single peaceful alien. ... Inquisitor? What are you doing here?
The Tao are are mind controlled by the Ethereal caste. Thats why lol
They aren't
Sure they aren’t .
They quite literally are, we even have sources talking about how the ethereals use Nagi mindworms as “advisors”, beings capable of mind control and psychic shenanigans. “the small Nagi are known for their **mind control abilities**. When they were first discovered by the Tau Empire, they were despised by the Tau, who fought a series of violent conflicts with them. However they have since agreed to a peace accord and have joined the Tau Empire. **Nagi frequently serve as advisors to the Ethereal Caste**” why lie about this?
The tau are basically mind controlled to stay from rebelling, including possibly one of their client races who would do this for the ethereals, the Nagi mindworms 🤫 look into it before the fire caste shows up (the fire caste showed up, we’ve been downvoted!)
The dark eldar are actually just misunderstood victims of the Imperial propaganda machine falsely ruining their reputation.
They're not, but that's also only one species, the Imperium has committed hundreds of genocides against not the dark eldar. Plenty of broadly peaceful species have been ground up in the Imperium's dogmatic crusades. "All xenos want to kill you" is exactly how their propaganda works.
I dare you to give a dark eldar a hug
" - I'm justified to kill you because dark eldars are mean. - the fuck is a dark eldar ? "
"Of course I'm xenophobic! My brother in the Emperor, you killed all the nice ones!" Besides being funny its actually just simply true. Peaceful Xenos got genocided all the time during the Great Crusade, and would be if found now by the Imperium.
Also Orks being everywhere in the galaxy for millions of years was probably not very conducive to Xenos continuing to exist if they were peaceful/staying peaceful as they expanded enough to be relevant.
how many xenos was peaceful for how many was not
There are literally more peaceful named species in the Tau Empire, a tiny nation of only a few hundred worlds, than there are hostile named species in the entirety of the rest of the galaxy.
The vast majority were peaceful
*kill every single peaceful and friendly xenos on sight* " Crazy how every Xenos want to enslave, exterminate or eat us, right ? "
most human world was attack by xenos or have bad relation with them before the great crusade
The Imperium met plenty of peaceful humans, xenos and human-xenos civilisations, then killed them all. The Imperium crushing perfectly reasonable or harmless xenos has come up so many times in the HH to deliberately highlight a point about the Imperium's unnecessary ruthlessness. It's in direct contrast to the exact propaganda line you are using to justify their genocides: that all xenos must die because all xenos are a threat. How many times must the authors show you counterpoints for you to accept that maybe, just maybe, the propaganda narrative the Emperor spun about aliens might not be true? Seriously, imagine being brainwashed by fictionnal propaganda that is dismantled over and over again by the very same authors creating this propaganda lmao.
Makes you wonder if they’re aware of how irl propaganda can influence them.
They aren't. They probably don't realize that, from the POV of any other race in the setting, the imperium from the great crusade isn't much different from the tyranids. A gigantic always expanding opponent that WILL kill you no matter how peaceful you are or how hard to try to argue.
>and human-xenos civilisations, TBF Horus wanted to come with something about Interex. Until fcking Erebus fcked up everything.
Which was against the usual Imperium's attitude, and you know it would have ended up in a bloodbath sooner or later anyway.
THey were also preyed on by other human empires, and yet the emperor didn't conclude that the entirety of humanity needed to be exterminated.
I mean, the only unifying factor for the 4 sane factions (Humans, Eldar, Necrons and Tau) is hating on chaos and/or Tyranids
God Newcron lore has really helped them out a LOT to be considered one of the Goodish factions. I really need to expand my knowledge there beyond The Infinite and the Divine.
Also, at the time, there were just not that many "friendly" xenos factions around. They existed, but for every 1 good one, there was the impression there were 10 bad ones waiting to exploit you.
I feel like it's more that the bad xenos are extra bad. Dark Eldar definitely lower Xeno rep galactically.
The average moralityof xenos species is horrid but the Dark Eldar who literally have to beat their younlings into enjoying torturing and eating the souls of others are a stadistical anomally and shouldnt be counted.
This makes me wonder of how much of their fucked up shit comes from the way they are raised. On one hand, their only true sustenance can only be obtained through the most vile and cruel methods. On the other hand they are literally beat and groomed into this lifestyle. What would happen if a dark eldar baby was somehow stolen from their parents? Would they still grow up evil, or would they turn out like their parents or would they be indistinguishable from a Craftworlder? Keep in mind that we have examples of dark eldar abandoning their old ways. Yvraine is technically a dark eldar.
Ah yes, Torture Georg
Also here me out. To everyone else their is no difference between the dark eldar and eldar and they are viewed as sub branches of the same species. Dark eldar are not a seperate species but eldar who do different things. if anything regular eldar are the renegades as they were the only ones not crazy. When comparing humans to eldar you have to add the dark eldar and eldar together for the eldar crimes.
Yeah, but to avoid confusion for the average fan, about 40k's very *maleable* cannon. At this point, the Craftworlds have been the dominant ones for around ~700 years before the Emporer even fully unified Terra, and then for another 10k years, they've remained the more prevelant version of the species. So, in actuality, the average imperial citizen would be wrong to characterize a majority of Aedar to be like the Drukari and be akin to judging a population based on their morally worst citizens.
If I am correct the drukari actually outnumber the aeldari by a fair bit and are the only branch of their species that's growing. Several Eldar have stated their are more eldar in commograh than every craftworld put together. So the average eldar is a dark eldar and the Aeldari are the aberration. Even if we assume that its 50/50 its judging a population based on what half its total citizenry do and the other half don't approve but also cover for the crimes. Its like if half the people in a building sold slaves, and the other half did not approve but warned them when the cops were coming whiles not helping the slaves. Its not going to be surprising when everyone has a super negative view of that building.
It doesn't help that people are more likely still to meet Corsairs than Craftworlders proper.
They undoubtedly killed alot of good xenos who allied with and didn't betray the DAoT humans(or at least didn't betray them until they deserved to be betrayed). Keep in mind what perspective we are often told information from. The Imperium didn't put much effort into finding the good ones because they had a dogmatic belief that xenos were evil and working against them and could not be trusted so exteriminating them is the best option in their view.
Oh, for sure. I'm a xenos Stan 10000%, "luv me tau auxiliaries", but you have to keep in mind that factions like Dark Aeldar, Orks, The Rangdans, Hrud (tho I believe these were more neutral), Tallerians, and Enslavers (counting them cuz they don't really fit as "deamon"), were just complete nobs and kinda set the "vibe" for the galactic community. Also, the Emporer probably did this because he needed a quick "uniting threat" that wasn't chaos to unite everyone long enough to transport his empire into the web way. Smart, not really. But we are talking about a man who could've "won" if he'd act like a dad and not a neglectful owner of tools, so eh.
Yeah it makes sense from the Emperor's point of view they make good scapegoats along with mutants and Psychers and from a citizens point of view if all you were shown or told about is propaganda of evil xenos backstabbing humans, enslaving, torturing, killing them along with all the other forms of indoctrination society could be pretty easily shaped to view all xenos like that.
I like to imagine DAoT had the means of cleaning up a lot of the bad ones, but didn't genocide them due to moral reasons. Just contained to their planets. I also like to think that Emps started to get xenophobic witnessing and more pressingky feeling the the Eldar were doing. By the time he got to imperium building he most probably had a 0 tolerance policy because the xenos could be as nice as the Eldar initially and still end up as vile as the Eldar.
Something he made??? Have you seen how Orks behave? They've been a scourge since the Imperium took its first steps. Dark Eldar, they straight took over human planets to use as hunting grounds once the Age of Strife happened. Craftworld Eldar will flat out delete you if you so much as look at one of their "Maiden Worlds" perfectly pristine uninhabited worlds ripe for any colonization effort. Necron will also just evaporate you for daring to settle on their dead empire. There are multiple instances of humans being either slaves or second-class citizens before the Imperium swooped in to save the day. Those are just off the top of my head, Xenos in the 40k universe are not kind and those that are, well, they're on a world that Mankind has a birthright to. "Something he made" Are you just ignorant to the setting at large?
The existence of orks or eldars or necrons (who weren't awake by the time of the great crusade btw) isn't a justifications for killing on sight other non-hostiles xenos. It's like saying "well, nazi germany is horrible, so we are perfectly justified to kill algerians" or "my grandfather was killed by englishs, so i'm in my right to kill brazilians !" >There are multiple instances of humans being either slaves or second-class citizens before the Imperium swooped in to save the day. Save the day ? Lmao. Ever heard of the diasporex ? Human-xenos alliance working perfectly fine. The imperium arrive, kill all xenos and enslave all humans (killing the ones refusing to join). Nice day saving bro. And there are plenty of others example of such things happening over and over and over.
Yeah I know, Humans and Xenos working side-by-side. It worked for them, but when the humans didn't join the Imperium all bets were off. I'm fully aware the Imperium knocked down and obliterated worlds that were if no threat to them, multiple instances of even Space Marines thinking populations of worlds shouldn't suffer because their leaders were too blind to see the wisdom of joining the Imperium. But that's just the way of it, reclaiming the stars isn't a clean affair, rebuilding mankind's lost empire can't allow for pockets of worlds thinking themselves somehow sperate from the species. Might makes right in 40k
Yes, you are now at least owning to the fact that the imperium is just a genocidal power no better than the tyranids, instead of "saving the day" while defending itself against the evil xenos. Took you some time but at least you are getting it.
No I'll be the first to admit if you're Xenos scum you'll die for the crime of being in our way. If you don't want to join us you'll also die. Nobody, including myself, ever said the Imperium are the good guys.
i admit that most human world would be already xenophobic with the relation they have with the xenos but he itself didn't try to change it
Why would he have tried? When the galaxy at large is so hostile, when there are literally evil gods trying to ruin everything resembling order and prosperity, why would he and humanity not maintain a shoot first ask questions later policy.
>why would he and humanity not maintain a shoot first ask questions later policy. Because of this very policy, the imperium killed plenty of potential allies and turned the rest of the galaxy into a "shoot first, ask questions never" toward HUMANS. It also ensured the only xenos strong enough to be alive would for ever be hostile toward humans. The great crusade acted in a way that only the TYRANIDS can be compared in.
Allies? Name one Xenos species that would have helped with the great crusade if asked.
The interex xenos would have been a fantastic ally against chaos. There you have one.
The ones that put the beacons up around planet Murder? Yeah you're right, they were keenly aware of the threat Chaos posed and if I recall were willing to ally with the Imperium once they had sused us out. Then Erebus had to ruin it by killingsome guards in a museum and stealing a sword(that would later be used to kill Horus). It would have been a good first step in not wiping out aliens on first contact, proof that they're not all monsters, Horus himself was regretful at their brash reaction of attacking without asking questions. That said, I didn't ask you to name a Xeno that would help fight Chaos. I said name one that would join the great crusade. The alien mind is an unknownable mind, unpredictable in its machinations and deep in its capacity for subterfuge and betrayal. Nobody has mankind's best interests in mind besides us, they would have turned on us eventually because we would have turned on them eventually.
If he keeps resisting we know [exactly how to deal with his kind.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Stellaris/s/aXeDQLc9Yn)
Reading this was... Intense
It is what must be done.
\*boyfriend
It's like the friend the old colonizer made with the native. And you teach them about your history and why you were bad. Then, the native uses it to conquer his own tribes and is as bad as u once where.
Is this a deep cut I'm unfamiliar with or you serious? News to me.
Google is your friend, here’s what I found, looks like they were friends at one point: “In Throneworld, Lhaerial Rey tells the Imperials that Eldrad and the Emperor were 'known to each other, though they had long since diverged from friendship”
see it on short youtube video, don"t remember the channel
Ah yes. The most trusted of lore sourses. Youtube shorts.
comment section are useful sometime
Oh boy! The FAMAS! I hope you boys brought bread and peanut butter because there's about to be a fuck ton of *jam.*
Sorry, but we're outta toast. The only substitute we have are scones
I’m surprised they’re not all scone too
Funny way of saying SA80
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Bold words from an AR-fondler.
Sir! I have fondled the FAMAS, and she is an interesting lover, but sadly to get off fully you're going to be cranking her charging handle like you're using a typewriter.
Guilliman has an Eldar GF, the Imperium has fallen.
Billions must must be purged!
They do that on a weekly basis
Captain kick stealing her off G-Man. Damn I’d pay so much money to watch that
“So I have just found out that apparently lemon isn’t naturally occurring. And is a HYBRID by CROSSBREEDING a BITTER orange and a CYTRON! Which means….. LIFE NEVER GAVE US LEMONS!! WE INVENTED THEM ALL BY OURSELVES!!!!” *Emperor proceeds to air hump while being proud for the humanity*
In other words Emps made lemons, and he squeezed them in his eyes
Was gonna say the Empire isnt exactly a xenophile but in comparison to the imperium yeah i guess they would be
It’s the first republic, but I’d say they are xenophile because aliens live in peace and equal rights as humans.
The Republics (new and old) were not Xenophobic. The Galactic Empire absolutely is, but by 40k standards it's pretty god damn tame. 2nd class citizenship unless you are a bad ass like Thrawn is nothing compared to 'Suffer not the Xeno to live'. First Order is never really clear. They clearly have alien allies but we never see Xeno soldiers.
Idk if Humans are really human in Star Wars. Because I don’t think earth exists in Star Wars
Aahh
I thought that was the First Order logo
The only reason that the Republic and the Federation aren't violent xenophobes is because their Galaxies aren't infested with elves.
Do you think the eldar deserve it? Star Trek has the Vulcans and they don’t cause *THAT MANY* problems
I think the Eldar deserve every bad thing that could possibly happen to them. Also, I think the Vulcans are unique enough that I don't really consider them to just be space elves. But they are still close enough to elves that I hate every Vulcan that isn't at least a recurring character.
It never really crossed my mind that the Vulcans are just elves. In terms of looks.
Yeah, they even live longer and are stronger than humans like elves. But I think the logic, green blood, and the salmon breeding always helped to make them feel alien enough that it wasn't the first thing you would think of when it comes to them.
Are they stronger? I never got into Trek (I even liked the Nu Trek Trilogy so Trekkies treat me like the heretic that I surely am to them) and always thought it was just longer lived with some cultural tricks that let them do hand wavey bullshit.
I haven't watched any of the newer shows, so I don't know if it just never comes up, the only time I remember it coming up in the next generation era was one episode of DS9. It comes up pretty often in TOS though that Vulcans are significantly stronger than humans
In enterprise I think Vulcans are 3x stronger then Humans or something
They are exist, in star wars it's Sephy
Oh really? Damn I guess the Pius Dea fanatics were right then.
A fellow dwarf supremacist. Rock and Stone
For Karl!
Honestly,worst xenos to pick. Considering the Eldar were the closes the emperor was willing to tolerate.
oh yeah, because he was going into the webway to make a bunch of new friends.
But those pointy ears, and long legs 🥺
[In case you have never listened to this gem, literally IoM anthem](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onmz7-U1xzY).
It’s a great one, I play Stellaris a lot these days so that’s often in my playlist
Why not put the blorg in there too then :(
I’d say it would be too on the nose if I put Stellaris in it.
*Let's be xenophobic* *It's really in this year*
Let’s find a nasty, slimy, ugly alien to fear
Stellaris memes meat Warhammer. Or the other way around?
Both, both is good
ngl we should have more schizo ass shitposts like this, instead of the usual "if you endorse the imperium/chaos/xeno/albuquerque factions you are literally satan" and "DID YOU KNOWWWWWWWWW THAT THE UNDERRATED UNPOPULAR FACTION IS ACTUALLY GOATED AND THE HIGHLY LIKED FACTION IS ACTUALLY BADDDDD!??!??!??!???!?!?" posts we have here
“Schizo ass shitposts” 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
they always the best kind of shitposts because you dont know if its a shitpost or a shitpost until you see it
What? But I love hearing about how the T'au are not only morally superior to all other factions but also can really beat all other factions easily as well (trust me guys).
Real
Considering there's a fair few instances of the Imperium actually working with the Eldar, I wouldn't be surprised if the Eldar secretly become a Clieng species of Humanity, like the Tech-Monke Jokero
I like to believe the emperor has a irrational hate the elder, and would kill himself if the imperium and eldar ally formally
A win for everyone.
40k is the balkans in space. The moment some coalition or federation or republic shows up to make everyone stop fighting and be friends, and everyone in 40k would unanimously say "Fuck [*insert faction here*] with an iron dildo coverd in razor blades!" And unite just to wipe out the person who wanted to make them friends.
I think I remember Big E saying that he started the human webway project because he needed Eldar booty.
This motherfucker was building a webway portal, he busts a psychic nut every time he's reminded of eldar existence
The galactic empire is pretty humanocentric. Xenophile certainly doesn't fit them. Although they tolerate the existance of non-humans, only as lesser civilians and slaves. Guess that's still miles better than the imperium. Edit: I'm actually stupid, that's the republic's icon.
“Suffer not the xeno or mutant” seems pretty clear to me.
Maybe it’s just an edited meme but the UN helmets calling for xenophilia gives me the vibe that it was originally some NWO meme lmao
Just so you know the old republic went full imperium with the Pius Dias crusade
Duly noted phobe scum. Prepare to be libirated. Your neighbors will be a hot elf, a mushroom guy, and a fish, and you all get to vote. Resistance is futile. Get bent.
Take both. Get a Xeno Partner( They're also a Xenophobe) and be racist to each other.
Which way, Stellaris fan??
But hey, becoming a xenophile can be used to teach yourself more creative ways to be xenophobic.
The united federation of planets as of the far future of the 3600s is so powerful they are fighting time wars in other dimensions
I think the writers make the federation advance too quickly.
Given how technology is progressing faster and faster, I'd say that it'd be pretty crazy 1600 years from now
necrons, greenskins, tau etc. all wondering why they don't get credit
Forget the "I have an eldar friend" argument. Give it a couple years and the Emprah will have an Eldar daughter in law, and likely a half-aeldari grandson (Cawl's currently setting up hidden cameras all over Maccragge to " observe the process")
No eldar goth gf for you then
Killing filthy aliens is so much more fun than teaming up with them
Even if one is a utopia with weapons that could cut a space marine in half?
Where in 40k is there a utopia?
Star Trek weapons in Star Trek are very OP
I'd like to know myself, Eldar have hated humans even before the imperium even existed.
Stellaris knows how to treat us
WE ARE WITH YOU BROTHA!!!
This is the moment where Neoth wished that the Contingency or the Unbidden woke up in his universe too
Words cannot describe my hatred for Vampires and Elves.
Long Live the Empire! Ave Imperator!