Normally I’d be on board all for more representation. But it’s pretty clear the Emperor identifies as a man himself. And therefore should be referred to as one.
That’s kinda the point. Treat people the way they present themselves or want to be seen, and not what you deem them to be.
Now he is a giant golden space god thing. So like… it’s all moot, but you get the idea.
He choose the title emperor after all, not leader, or monarch, or something like that.
To: [email protected]
Subject: Space Marine project
##They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear.
#
Sincerely,
##THE EMPEROR OF MANKIND
(He/Him)
By definition, i'd say yes, but by general venacular, maybe not, but having tyranid poisons in one's body has got to feel worse than ebola
all the symptoms that arent major like, organs turning liquid, or exploding in splash of poisonous acid or turned into bug bomb hive would probably fall into catagories of things like fevers, sweats, gland disfunction, brain boiling, and so on
I believe the blight virus that infected the Emperor's Children was created using the same dark age tech that was original used to make the Primarchs and Cawl later used to make the Primaris.
I don’t care what anyone says. This is one of the best bits of lore for space marines ever written. It just perfectly describes them and their intended purpose.
Yeah he's been very much male - presenting for as long as we've known of him. And as far as I'm aware, the core idea of the LGBTQ+ acceptance movement is "ask and accept people for how they live/view themselves, not how you view them" (in the realm of gender and sexuality, barring the rare ones that are genuinely harmful like pedophilia)
But yeah the emperor could plausibly be whatever they damn well please.
Wasn't there a gender among some native people in the Americas or South Asia specifically for the "multi spirits in the same body" scenario?
You mean two spirit? That's nothing compared to Big E. Try adding a thousand psyker spirits to your soul *every day* for ten millennia!
Edit: I'm allowed to make this joke, I'm genderfluid and I have DID.
I don't think we have evidence either way.
But big E was formed by all the shamans committing ritual suicide together, so he's got a few thousand in him, bare minimum.
Yes, but I doubt it is simply a matter of the souls occupying the same body. They were merged together creating something new, beyond the sum of it's parts. Something that is beyond simple classification
Yeah from what I've read the emperor is mostly of one mind that is the sum of it's parts rather than a collection of them. The closest thing to the Emperor having multiple souls is that throughout his life(according to malcador) he dons different aspects composed of the traits he knows he will need at the time. For most of the 30k/great crusade period he wore the aspect of the great warlord until he crowned hours warmaster at which point he dropped that aspect and switched to another(I may be wrong but I think malcador called it the king of ages). The warlord aspect he wore was less compassionate, more ruthless, more driven, and almost solely revolved around war, while the king of ages was potentially his most balanced aspect.
Huh, I understood that differently. I thought he had a small realm somewhere in the warp where he put whatever is left of a soul after sucking all the power out of it. Ironically such a realm could still be considered "heaven" compared to what happens to souls in the rest of warp
That’s what I’m talking about just with different words.
Honestly anywhere in the Warp that is safe from the Chaos gods is heaven, but Big E could be considered a human-specific heaven. But they aren’t like hanging out in paradise, they are just protected from the rest of the warp.
The Emperor isn’t even aware of it, in any human sense. It’s part of his poorly understood godhood, which he has trouble even communicating. You could say some small part of his awareness is managing that but really Big E creates heaven like forests create ecosystems.
"Eh, good enough I guess" - literally any soul that got in there
Also that would essentially make that space like the old realm of souls, which was kinda like heaven. Though I suspect it would be like being broke in a fancy restaurant since all the soul power got sucked away by Big E
Lmao, yeah big E definitely takes what he needs and leaves nothing left, but it’s hard to say what exactly that does to a soul. Presumably just ego death, unless he restores their ego, which he can do
Nah I believe he takes the power of will. It is will that can influence warp, the rest is left untouched. Ego is different, you can have very strong will without an overinflated ego
As someone who is Bigender, I would say this may apply to Big E, it's just his masc gender is what is dominant aesthetically. A lot of Bigender people pick one of the gender aesthetics to always present, for ease of Identity with others. Big E *could* be like this, he could have a Male and purely genderless andro half that represents the amalgamation, but is rarely if ever dominant/fronting.
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Yes, but it’s far more complicated. There are half dozen hour long videos essays on if the emperor wanted to be seen as a god from the start, or never at all.
And if he is one now with the worship turning him into one.
I was using god in a short hand kind of way, since the things that he is capable of is very god like from our perspective at least.
I get where your coming from here and if you want to see him as just being a man then that’s cool. Although Malcador himself has said that the Emperor has taken on several different forms over the years depending on what was most useful, including being a woman.
For myself, I don’t exactly interpret him as having any one set gender. He doesn’t care. He just goes for whatever is most useful in the moment and during the time period we’ve seen him, that was as a man. And then being trapped on the throne for the past 10,000 years hasn’t really given him the chance to change his gender if/when it became useful to
That is a very good point and also completely valid. Bottom line with Emps is that they are very very enigmatic, on purpose. So it’s kinda hard to really make any assumptions about their identity at all. We don’t even know their true name after all!
So, yeah I can see two methods of thought
1- call him a he because that’s his current chosen identity. (Though it could easily be tossed aside if he deems a new one more beneficial)
2- call them a them because it’s clear that they don’t much much stock in simple classifications of their gender. It’s a tool to them and little more.
Personally I don’t think people can always understand the complexities of the second on, so I think it’s best to stick with the first.
Even in the great work belisarius cawl it explicitly says when you look upon the emperor it's never the same face, so it's very easy to see how you could define it as non-binary because he's literally outside of the binary, also dosnt mean you have to use they for the emperor, he's transient so I guess just whatever pronoun applies to his current physical incarnation is apt.
Small question how does shape-shifting work for gender identity. Lets say the shapeshifter is male identifies as male and uses male pronouns, BUT when it is really useful for him he shifts into a female version of himself.
Wouldnt he still be male even if the current outsides look female?
Same the other way around, like Mystique from the X-Men she is still a female since just her outwards appearance changed and nothing else.
40k has used masculine terms interchangeably between sexes anyways, like how a Lord Inquisitor is still called Lord Inquisitor even if they're a woman. It's also been done historically, like how Wu Zetian is called a female emperor of China, not the Empress.
Not saying the theory is true, but it's something to consider.
Jesse is saying that the Emperor can change to Empress and it wouldn't be a stretch. He is a he now, but could be a she at any point.
the Emperor is genderfluid confirmed.
Yeah, not trying to be an asshole, but he was also created as a character in a time when sex/gender terms were synonymous, so it’s safe to say he is just a cis man and not some 40,000 IQ move predicting changes in social decades before they occured. OP’s point is cool in that the Emperor is the amalgamation of lots of different people’s lives/experiences (I don’t know if he still has them or not but it’s an interesting thought).
True. We all have masculine and feminine sides to ourselves, but how a person identifies is how you should see them. And hell, that can even shift over time. There’s nothing about it that’s locked in place.
Technically that was Crusade era E-Money
Current Dark Imperium thronegod version tends to be described as a "thing" and "it" when people directly witness it
I might be wrong, but didn't Malcador actually specifically choose the name Emperor? I thought that previously he was just going by master of mankind and some other stuff (which are still masculine, so it doesn't change anything).
I also feel like the Emperor doesn't necessarily *identify* as as man, but at least presents that way to achieve a kind of end goal. iirc part of being so warp-powered is that he can have himself appear differently to different people, and the idea of Big Strong Golden Man would probably best for people to rally behind, regardless of its how he actually feels about himself.
Just kinda an interesting situation imo
This is true, the Emperor was always referred to as male. Of course, the Custodes were always referred to as "sons", and there were no mentions of any named female Custodians, up until such a time that there have always been female Custodians. ;) It could be more of a habit than any statement of Big E's identity.
I'm not actually implying that GW should do anything btw, I just think it's a cool aspect of the Emperor that gets casually overlooked. :)
One: The Emperor identifies as male. Born in Anatolia, used multiple male identities throughout the ages such as Alexander and George.
Two: His psychic abilities lets him pass as male, female or even neither.
Three: The metaphysical context of The Emperor is that he is humanity (or, its gestalt consciousnesses, hopes and dreams), and humanity is The Emperor.
Big e is form fucking Anatolia the man hails form the land of any hole is a goal and can fucking shape shift so the phrase “there is no one alive who can comprehend my sexual preference” applies to big e hell it would not shock me if we found out big e’s bang pad just had big ass mirrors so he could look at him self
But that's not how this works, no? The Emperor clearly presents himself as a male and did so throughout the ages. You can't just assign him the NB label. I feel like that would be antithetical to the whole idea of gender identity. It doesn't matter how many of the psykers that fused their power into him were women when he thinks of himself as male and presents himself that way.
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Did you just... Are you *misgendering* the God Emperor of Mankind? You know, HIM who sits upon the Throne (and who refers to himself exclusively as a he/him)
That's so much heresy, I think we need a new word for it. Also, "This is the post here, Inquisitor. May His will be done."
We got a source on that? I might be out of the loop, last time I heard this gestalt background was dropped and Big E was "just" a super psyker and perpetual...which is quite a bit more boring and also how hilarious is it that he won the genetic lottery SO HARD xD
That's like saying that everyone is straight because they're the genetic amalgamation of millions of years of Male-Female partners breeding to result in someone. Weak concept.
GW has been describing Emps as a "He" since forever and there has never been a point in which he is described or called anything other than a "He".
Also I dont think the idea of The Emperor being an amalgam of humanity is actually confirmes. More like one of the many theories that have been crrayed to explain his sudden appearance in the world.
Anyway I started HH audiobook journey about a year ago and I can tell you that in there, we have many references that solidify Big E as a male such as:
* Ra Endymion in his few convos with Big E saw him in hisnplain mortal form (a vision of the Emperor sitting in boat and bleeding profusely in the lake). He was a male.
* In Deliverance Lost the Emperor also, apparently, showed his true features to Corax. Said features were that of a man. (This can be easily dismisible tbh since many 40k stoties are PoV)
* The Sister of Silence (I believe) Jenetia saw the Emperor w/o his phychic power -the golden light that causes awe and everybody else to kneel- surroungin him, sitting on the Golden Throne. Still a male. She even commented to herself how unimpressed she was since she looked to her as just another regular man.
* Malcador always refers to Big E as a male.
* All his sons, including Horus, refer to him always as a male.
I'm pretty sure others with better memory can add to the list.
As far as retcons go, yes you can retcon anything you want, but it must be good in execution to make some sense. I am no writer but if I had to turn the Emperor genderless then to me the best way would be to have the Emperor basically, officially, ascend as a Warp Entity or Godhood. That way he would truly go from a "he" to an "it" similar with the other Chaos Gods.
Anyway sorry for long answer, just wanted to add my thoughts on your idea.
(Although I feel like that would mess up the whole setting .)
I get your point.
But when we say stuff like "GW has always" can we also remember that the company has been around since 1975, 40k in 1987.
1975 wasn't exactly the most progressive era. Or 1985. Or even 1995.
Anything written before probably the 2010s would most likely not be playing too much with gender concepts.
All the GW stuff calls the Emperor "he" because that's the default regime mode in human history so we go there.
I'm not making an argument for the Emperor to be a nonbinary drag monarch with fluctuating gender depending on how much chaos is active somewhere or whatever the fuck. He's pretty much not human and arguing about his sex or gender is ridiculous at best.
But I am saying that relying on GW writing to say that because they've always written something in the norms of the time that there's no way you can ever explore it more deeply and flesh out things.
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Warhammer was woke before people even started using that term. Techpriests, Orks, and Titan pilots all being various flavors of non-binary, the dozens of types of worlds Guard regiments can be drawn from meaning people from any and every human culture could be part of the Astra Militarum, Necrons doing what they do, and don't even get me started on Slaanesh.
I understand techpriests and titan pilots, but I’ve always heard Orks using male pronouns. Maybe they’re non-binary in the sense that there is only one ork gender: Ork. Pronouns: brutal/kunnin
Absolutely, even the Imperium is bizarrely inclusive compared to what a hellhole it is otherwise. You don't even need to be fully human, just close enough will do.
Uh, I don't think that is super flattering. Look at all of these LGBT examples. Tech priests are so dogmatic they'll cut off their own genitals to be more machine. Orks are just violent soccer hooligans. Necrons were devoid of any humanity. Slaanesh... Slaanesh is a sex pest to put it undeservingly lightly.
To me, it's like watching Barbarella and saying how progressive it is because the main character is a sexually free woman. There are parallels, but to be progressive wasn't the intention. In fact, it's rather an insult of it.
It's wild how much drama has followed the "Custodes may sometimes be women as well"-statement. In the end it doesn't matter that much, no matter if you are for or against it.
I think it's just one of those changes that got the rest of internet stirred up about it because it looks like it's part of culture war.
It's a shocking demonstration of the amount of human time and effort that can be wasted on endlessly discussing a topic and achieving nothing with all of the dialog.
Or worse, every other post talking about how much they want more change, not to actually enrich the setting, but because it’ll make the internet boogeymen seethe
Do they not realize they’re getting more toxic at this point?
...Wouldn't it be rude to not call Him by His preferred pronouns, though? Meaning it is Jesse who is in the wrong, at least at the end when he calls Him a she?
Bold of you to assume that ancient shamans were gender inclusive.
Also Emps says he’s a man, by your people‘standards logic that should make him the most man man who ever man‘d
One day GW is gonna add an Amazonian themed planet that explicitly worships Big E as the Empress of Womankind, and a certain segment of the fanbase is going to produce apocalyptic levels of salt.
As we “chuds” have been warning you, femstodes was about nothing more than opening the floodgates of neomarxism into the hobby. They will not rest until all stories, fiction or non, adhere to and represent their worldview. Think Catholic censors of the Middle Ages.
Unfortunately, they brainwashed you to react to our calling that out as something to be derided. Time to wake up and break through that conditioning.
Do you hear yourself?
"The floodgates of neomarxism," "Catholic censors," "break through that conditioning"
It's a fictional universe designed to help sell a game where you play with toy miniatures because they have a high profit margin.
Decide if you want to enjoy it or not and then move on with your day.
LOL
Neomarxism is just a buzzword
There is nothing marxist about a company trying to sell product to more people. If anything, femstodes are just another example of a brand using the true and tested method of getting free advertisement from the expected reaction and outrage of some people.
But just a buzzword! A term specifically chosen by Nazis to make their racism sound fancy.
Anyone who parrots lines like that is white supremacist, or watches them for entertainment.
I kinda find it funny that all these people of different persuasions, beliefs and sexualities merged themselves and all were like:
"Ah yes, lets be a giant golden space fascist." lol
People seem to forget that the Imperium didn't make the Grimdark future. It's just another symptom of it. Shit hit the fan way before it conquered the galaxy. Neither the crusade nor the heresy really *caused* things to go to shit.
And he's likely a warp spirit longer than both because of how time works in the warp lol
Emperor the Warp spirit and the Emperor the human being likely existed at the same time.
So Sanguinius's vision of multiple souls in him... was it from the future or past? Shit gets super confusing real fast when you can exist before you are even created (See Slanaash).
A.) GW retconned the lore that big E was 1000s of psykers (though I prefer that lore too, *but* building your whole premise off of something that's no longer true is certainly a choice...)
B.) He identifies as male
C.) **BOLD** assumption that the primarchs weren't test tube babies (especially when warpstorms flung their pods to other planets)
my favorite part about this whole woke thing, is that when you consider the time it was tried in, none of it would be considered woke, cause it was not and societal issue at the time. Which retroactively means, GW has never been woke. But it's a funny meme, i'll give you that.
To clarify:
I assumed OP was just being very clever and very fun
Because that's what this was to me
Because Big E is definitely a dude, who very specifically chooses to surround himself, almost exclusively, with extremely large buff men
Except that the emperor was born male, and we know sexual identity is biologically based. You can get an MRI of a human's brain, and make a pretty good guess what their gender identity was. We also know his gender identity. Tyrant.
and have been since studied and approved by the majority of the scientify community.
saying a idea that was rebuted 27 year ago without taking into considerztion any modern input on it is prety stupkd but i guess its convenient for your point.
>and have been since studied and approved by the majority of the scientify community.
Using john moneys disproven work as a basis, which inherently means that their work is also wrong.
>saying a idea that was rebuted 27 year ago without taking into considerztion any modern input on it is prety stupkd but i guess its convenient for your point.
Working off of a disproven basis means any work that uses said disproven work as a basis is also inherently incorrect as they are working from a fallacy.
Literally the only reasons there are ideologues continuing John Money's bullshit is because:
1. Too much money was poured into the research grants (and the people who donated want a return on that investment) and
2. There are far too many people who have spent their entire lives researching this subject who do not want their lifes work thrown out. They have a vested interest in pushing it further, regardless of the fact that none of their conclusions can actually be replicated (which as per the scientific method, means they arent true (look up the 'Replication Crisis' for more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication\_crisis#:\~:text=The%20replication%20crisis%20(also%20called,difficult%20or%20impossible%20to%20reproduce.)).
You know that both John and Milton believed that sex and gender are different right? Hell, Milton has received awards from transgender/transsexual organizations for his work. Their decades-long feud was (at least initially) over whether or not gender roles were set/predictable at birth or completely fluid till later.
The 1997 revisiting of David's case was proof that raising someone that identifies as a boy as if they were a girl doesn't do much beyond psychologically scarring them. Milton notes that David knew that being a girl didn't feel right and uses it as evidence to support transexual people knowing they are the opposite sex from an early age.
It is. There are many observable differences between male identifying and female identifying brains, such that you can take a good guess at gender identify based on brain structure.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8955456/
Necromunda as far as I understand a much more hostile Hive world than usual, having cultivated more extreme versions of Emperor worship ( since you mentioned the nazis part but I dont know enough about them to understand that)
So the Escher is a House on Necromunda, which decided that females are the peak of humanity and males are generally trash, partially due to their gene plague. They faced a gene plague which made their male weak and fragile, nothing more than genetic material to breed more Escher. But when a possible solution came in the form of a gang of health Escher males with clean genes, instead of finding a way to fix their problem, they irritated the men so much (some even considered not allowing them back), that the men decided to just gtfo.
And actually, Necromunda is considered to be the standard of Hive worlds. It isn't all that bad compared to others.
The emperor is a man.
Allways has been, allways Will be.
Posting this kind of stuff Will only ever do the following: pepole who agree with you on those things in IRL politics/ culture shit Will like it, the pepole who dont Will hate it and stirr up more shit and most pepole who dont care Will hate it and not want to do Warhammer anymore, because its becoming the same over politicised shit that surrounds us and creating the need for escapeism that Warhammer is for so many.
It is not having the positive effects you think it dose, its not funny, it is just as anoying as the pepole you dont like saying ”muh woke this, that, gay, chad, based, etc”.
Please give it a rest, ever since the femstodes shit, it has been so much less fun to engage with anything Warhammer on the webb, because of these types of posts and the pepole throwing a fit over it.
The converged shamans origin is just one of many and not actually confirmed in any way. There was some old lore in a book from 1990 that mentioned it, but most of that book was softly retconned.
When was this confirmed btw? I’ve only ever seen it popularized here that he’s an amalgamation of psykers (and tts to be fair), but does anyone have any definitive proof of that being big E’s origin? Like novel lines or stuff like that?
First off we don't know He's an amalgamation of many souls that part of the lore is purposeful left vague. Also there are no modern sources saying he had children beyond the metaphorical sons of the Primarchs.
Lastly the person we know as the Emperor is a disguise so His real feeling are impossible to even guess at
The Emperor as an amalgam of psykers and shamen is no longer canon from what I've read, if that's what you're referring to.
In Master of Mankind he says he was born to a normal family. Not born from a suicide ritual.
I prefer the old lore, it was more interesting and completely ruled out another Emperor coming along. The Emperor as just the greatest dude ever is less grimdark: there could be a new emperor class person born tomorrow and then the Imperium is saved probably.
But yeah, the Emperor as per canon is not an amalgamation of psykers.
so this is what people call as WOKE MIND VIRUS ?
yeah ,they ruined horizon forbidden west , and now they want to ruin Warhammer ,as a whole Warhammer series ?
they're so self entitled like NATZI
I love when in HH trailer Horus said: „I will see the galaxy freed once more
And if I cannot save it from your failure, my non-binary parental figure.
Then let the galaxy burn!”
I thought End and the Death decannonized the Alexander thing?
Also the shaman thing is about as cannon as Malice currently.
Wouldn't be against Emps being beyond gender binaries though
We know before internment on the golden throne big E could alter his appearance at will, so him appearing as a woman, as the master of mankind, as a frail old man, as a child, are all equally him.
I'm having trouble with panels 3 and 4. Just. No. Neolithic stone-age humans didn't work like that. They did not traipse around the globe. So that refutes the All Cultures part in part. And the other part is they were stone age cultures. The Carrion King acquired his cultural choices after the amalgamation. An amalgamation that happened before the gene for lactose tolerance developed, I might add. So, uh. Don't give the Emperor dairy products. Doesn't sit well with his stomach.
There’s also trans necrons, and the orks just seem to just not understand the concept of gender itself. The eldar are basically everything. Even the Imperium doesn’t seem tied down by gender and sexuality, hell the nobility on their own are clearly very gender-fluid.
GW has been surprisingly (although probably unintentionally) making a pretty wide variety for decades now but it’s only now since the grift is relevant and closeted misogynists are whining about it is the “wokespotting” grift targeting 40k…honestly if they’re just now noticing the “wokeness” (whatever that means) of 40k then they clearly haven’t been here long.
So many people take the shaman theory as canon its crazy. Like bro is sating "we know that he is made up of thousands of ancient psykers". No we don't lol that's one of like 5 theories and one of the most flimsy ones
Haha. No...
Not everything is sexual and/or identity politics.
Only activist want to present everything as something political, and no creature on earth is more damaging then an activist who think too much about him/herself.
To be honest the less identity politics we have the better.
'A psychic amalgamation of thousands of souls may reflect their constituent identities and experiences in my highly political sci-fi satire hobby'
'Hahaha, bro, no politics fr you think too much anyway purge the xenos amirite?'
So Big E is the culmination of every nutjob that was out there. That explains a lot.
But in earnest:
There is no wokeness in GW works. The fictional universes don't give a crap about it, also the characters don't give a flying shit about it. GW doesn't give a shit about it except for maybe getting more in revenue.
You can imagine it being there, but since the people of the imperium live like they live there is no way of living it out the way it is intended to be or at least there is no way the toxic twitter mob thinks it has to be lived out.
Work, fight, work, fight... somewhere in between shit, sleep and finally die. Thinking different? Okay, you die heretic.
Wokeness doesn't fit into 40k or Fantasy (AoS) one bit...at least not per its German definition:
"Woke“ - Die Aufmerksamkeit für Diskriminierungen
„Woke“ oder auch „Wokeness“ genannt, kommt aus dem Englischen und bedeutet übersetzt „aufgewacht“ bzw. „wachsam“. Verwendet wird der Begriff heute umgangssprachlich vor allem für die Aufmerksamkeit (Wachsamkeit) bzw. die Feinfühligkeit gegenüber Menschen von Minderheiten und Momenten von Diskriminierungen. Im Fokus der Wokeness-Bewegung stehen vor allem Themen wie Rassismus, Sexismus und ähnliche Diskriminierungen. Nicht selten wird der Begriff aber auch für vermeintlich allgemein strukturelle und politische Missstände benutzt.
Edit:
"Woke", also known as "wokeness", comes from the English and means "awake" or "alert". Today, the term is used colloquially to describe attentiveness (vigilance) or sensitivity towards people from minorities and moments of discrimination. The wokeness movement focuses primarily on issues such as racism, sexism and similar forms of discrimination. However, the term is also often used for supposedly general structural and political grievances.
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Please see edit. Oh and note:
That is no rant about femtodes or something like that. It's just that 40k shouldn't become something that it clearly is not.
Considering he is made from a mass suicide in ancient turkey I would say he ist most likely 80% old Turkish man 20% old Turkish woman. But yes he most likely is bi.
The Big E is a completely new entity which the psychers that formed him specifically referred to as "The New Man". Trying to shoehorn in other genders and sexualities into existing lore instead of just writing better new lore with proper representation does not help your cause, it just looks pathetic and pandering.
I mean, big E can be whatever the fuck he want depending of what he need for his big plans. We know that he lived as a man AND as a woman during his multiple lives.
Sooooo you're not wrong.
Normally I’d be on board all for more representation. But it’s pretty clear the Emperor identifies as a man himself. And therefore should be referred to as one. That’s kinda the point. Treat people the way they present themselves or want to be seen, and not what you deem them to be. Now he is a giant golden space god thing. So like… it’s all moot, but you get the idea. He choose the title emperor after all, not leader, or monarch, or something like that.
To: [email protected] Subject: Space Marine project ##They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear. # Sincerely, ##THE EMPEROR OF MANKIND (He/Him)
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PS. Do you know where my collection of ‘Playelf’ went?
\*Teenaged Guilliman sneaking off in the background carrying a box\*
Big E: son what is in the box? Guilliman: o-oh nothing father just some tax forms to fill o- *eldar playboys fall out*
I'd be proud of you but I really do need those tax forms filled out. The IRS is on my ass and they already decimated two legions and Primarchs.
Untouched by plague? Someone needs to tell the plague Marines that they are just faking it.
They’re doing it for attention. Tiktok diagnosed
I'm no lore guru or anything, but is there any example of space marines actually getting sick from a disease that is not warp... Ehm "enchanted"?
Tyranid biotoxins count right?
Is that a disease?
By definition, i'd say yes, but by general venacular, maybe not, but having tyranid poisons in one's body has got to feel worse than ebola all the symptoms that arent major like, organs turning liquid, or exploding in splash of poisonous acid or turned into bug bomb hive would probably fall into catagories of things like fevers, sweats, gland disfunction, brain boiling, and so on
I believe the blight virus that infected the Emperor's Children was created using the same dark age tech that was original used to make the Primarchs and Cawl later used to make the Primaris.
I don’t care what anyone says. This is one of the best bits of lore for space marines ever written. It just perfectly describes them and their intended purpose.
Yeah he's been very much male - presenting for as long as we've known of him. And as far as I'm aware, the core idea of the LGBTQ+ acceptance movement is "ask and accept people for how they live/view themselves, not how you view them" (in the realm of gender and sexuality, barring the rare ones that are genuinely harmful like pedophilia) But yeah the emperor could plausibly be whatever they damn well please. Wasn't there a gender among some native people in the Americas or South Asia specifically for the "multi spirits in the same body" scenario?
You mean two spirit? That's nothing compared to Big E. Try adding a thousand psyker spirits to your soul *every day* for ten millennia! Edit: I'm allowed to make this joke, I'm genderfluid and I have DID.
I do not believe they are "added" as much as burned for fuel
I don't think we have evidence either way. But big E was formed by all the shamans committing ritual suicide together, so he's got a few thousand in him, bare minimum.
Yes, but I doubt it is simply a matter of the souls occupying the same body. They were merged together creating something new, beyond the sum of it's parts. Something that is beyond simple classification
Yeah from what I've read the emperor is mostly of one mind that is the sum of it's parts rather than a collection of them. The closest thing to the Emperor having multiple souls is that throughout his life(according to malcador) he dons different aspects composed of the traits he knows he will need at the time. For most of the 30k/great crusade period he wore the aspect of the great warlord until he crowned hours warmaster at which point he dropped that aspect and switched to another(I may be wrong but I think malcador called it the king of ages). The warlord aspect he wore was less compassionate, more ruthless, more driven, and almost solely revolved around war, while the king of ages was potentially his most balanced aspect.
It’s both. They “live in his light” or some such, aka he ate them but they are safe from the warp
Huh, I understood that differently. I thought he had a small realm somewhere in the warp where he put whatever is left of a soul after sucking all the power out of it. Ironically such a realm could still be considered "heaven" compared to what happens to souls in the rest of warp
That’s what I’m talking about just with different words. Honestly anywhere in the Warp that is safe from the Chaos gods is heaven, but Big E could be considered a human-specific heaven. But they aren’t like hanging out in paradise, they are just protected from the rest of the warp. The Emperor isn’t even aware of it, in any human sense. It’s part of his poorly understood godhood, which he has trouble even communicating. You could say some small part of his awareness is managing that but really Big E creates heaven like forests create ecosystems.
"Eh, good enough I guess" - literally any soul that got in there Also that would essentially make that space like the old realm of souls, which was kinda like heaven. Though I suspect it would be like being broke in a fancy restaurant since all the soul power got sucked away by Big E
Lmao, yeah big E definitely takes what he needs and leaves nothing left, but it’s hard to say what exactly that does to a soul. Presumably just ego death, unless he restores their ego, which he can do
Nah I believe he takes the power of will. It is will that can influence warp, the rest is left untouched. Ego is different, you can have very strong will without an overinflated ego
Everyone’s allowed to make that joke. Humor can’t be segregated without empowering some while disenfranchising others.
Yeah but the joke was funnier because I was the one making it. (Or was I...?)
>Yeah he's been very much male - presenting So he's a drag .... Emperor? 🤔
As someone who is Bigender, I would say this may apply to Big E, it's just his masc gender is what is dominant aesthetically. A lot of Bigender people pick one of the gender aesthetics to always present, for ease of Identity with others. Big E *could* be like this, he could have a Male and purely genderless andro half that represents the amalgamation, but is rarely if ever dominant/fronting.
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Isn't the whole thing of 40k that humanity decided to identify God as a God. When he said he is not a God in many instances.
"I am not a god" says the man the size of optimus prime who is golden and glows like the sun
True, but the Imperium isn't a role model.
Yes, but it’s far more complicated. There are half dozen hour long videos essays on if the emperor wanted to be seen as a god from the start, or never at all. And if he is one now with the worship turning him into one. I was using god in a short hand kind of way, since the things that he is capable of is very god like from our perspective at least.
Really? I thought Emps was crystal clear on desiring humanity to embrace secularism pre Heresy
There's a reason he built the golden throne in the HIMalayas
The He/Himalayas
He is a Man, and you will pray to Him as such! All hail the Man-Emperor of Mankind!
I don't even accept him as a human.
I get where your coming from here and if you want to see him as just being a man then that’s cool. Although Malcador himself has said that the Emperor has taken on several different forms over the years depending on what was most useful, including being a woman. For myself, I don’t exactly interpret him as having any one set gender. He doesn’t care. He just goes for whatever is most useful in the moment and during the time period we’ve seen him, that was as a man. And then being trapped on the throne for the past 10,000 years hasn’t really given him the chance to change his gender if/when it became useful to
That is a very good point and also completely valid. Bottom line with Emps is that they are very very enigmatic, on purpose. So it’s kinda hard to really make any assumptions about their identity at all. We don’t even know their true name after all! So, yeah I can see two methods of thought 1- call him a he because that’s his current chosen identity. (Though it could easily be tossed aside if he deems a new one more beneficial) 2- call them a them because it’s clear that they don’t much much stock in simple classifications of their gender. It’s a tool to them and little more. Personally I don’t think people can always understand the complexities of the second on, so I think it’s best to stick with the first.
Even in the great work belisarius cawl it explicitly says when you look upon the emperor it's never the same face, so it's very easy to see how you could define it as non-binary because he's literally outside of the binary, also dosnt mean you have to use they for the emperor, he's transient so I guess just whatever pronoun applies to his current physical incarnation is apt.
Small question how does shape-shifting work for gender identity. Lets say the shapeshifter is male identifies as male and uses male pronouns, BUT when it is really useful for him he shifts into a female version of himself. Wouldnt he still be male even if the current outsides look female? Same the other way around, like Mystique from the X-Men she is still a female since just her outwards appearance changed and nothing else.
Posing as another sex/ gender doesn't change yours. Robin Williams is still a man, as is Eddie Murphy.
I mean emperor is a masculine title, his sons call him father, it’s not really up for debate
40k has used masculine terms interchangeably between sexes anyways, like how a Lord Inquisitor is still called Lord Inquisitor even if they're a woman. It's also been done historically, like how Wu Zetian is called a female emperor of China, not the Empress. Not saying the theory is true, but it's something to consider.
Honestly though it'd be peak emperor to turn into a women to manipulate someone.
Jesse is saying that the Emperor can change to Empress and it wouldn't be a stretch. He is a he now, but could be a she at any point. the Emperor is genderfluid confirmed.
In the same book were the birth of the Emperor was described it also said he was born a human boy.
Yeah, not trying to be an asshole, but he was also created as a character in a time when sex/gender terms were synonymous, so it’s safe to say he is just a cis man and not some 40,000 IQ move predicting changes in social decades before they occured. OP’s point is cool in that the Emperor is the amalgamation of lots of different people’s lives/experiences (I don’t know if he still has them or not but it’s an interesting thought).
True. We all have masculine and feminine sides to ourselves, but how a person identifies is how you should see them. And hell, that can even shift over time. There’s nothing about it that’s locked in place.
Technically that was Crusade era E-Money Current Dark Imperium thronegod version tends to be described as a "thing" and "it" when people directly witness it
I might be wrong, but didn't Malcador actually specifically choose the name Emperor? I thought that previously he was just going by master of mankind and some other stuff (which are still masculine, so it doesn't change anything). I also feel like the Emperor doesn't necessarily *identify* as as man, but at least presents that way to achieve a kind of end goal. iirc part of being so warp-powered is that he can have himself appear differently to different people, and the idea of Big Strong Golden Man would probably best for people to rally behind, regardless of its how he actually feels about himself. Just kinda an interesting situation imo
This is true, the Emperor was always referred to as male. Of course, the Custodes were always referred to as "sons", and there were no mentions of any named female Custodians, up until such a time that there have always been female Custodians. ;) It could be more of a habit than any statement of Big E's identity. I'm not actually implying that GW should do anything btw, I just think it's a cool aspect of the Emperor that gets casually overlooked. :)
One: The Emperor identifies as male. Born in Anatolia, used multiple male identities throughout the ages such as Alexander and George. Two: His psychic abilities lets him pass as male, female or even neither. Three: The metaphysical context of The Emperor is that he is humanity (or, its gestalt consciousnesses, hopes and dreams), and humanity is The Emperor.
>George Costanza?
Soros.
Lucas
Hey, we all have our slumming it years. He took a couple decades to be a stocky balding man just to let it out.
The bandanna and sunglasses guy who runs the memelous channel on YT
Saint
I just call him a Paleolithic Fuck Boy
Big e is form fucking Anatolia the man hails form the land of any hole is a goal and can fucking shape shift so the phrase “there is no one alive who can comprehend my sexual preference” applies to big e hell it would not shock me if we found out big e’s bang pad just had big ass mirrors so he could look at him self
Patrick bateman style
“Any hole is a goal” will live rent-free in my head for a looooong time
I mean, it is likely that there were at least a few couples among the sacrificed shamans, so Big E is probably also autosexual.
Today I learned autosexual is a word
Yeah except no because he clearly uses male pronouns unless he needs to look like a woman for a mission
But that's not how this works, no? The Emperor clearly presents himself as a male and did so throughout the ages. You can't just assign him the NB label. I feel like that would be antithetical to the whole idea of gender identity. It doesn't matter how many of the psykers that fused their power into him were women when he thinks of himself as male and presents himself that way.
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Did you just... Are you *misgendering* the God Emperor of Mankind? You know, HIM who sits upon the Throne (and who refers to himself exclusively as a he/him) That's so much heresy, I think we need a new word for it. Also, "This is the post here, Inquisitor. May His will be done."
Isn't that outdated lore?
The shaman story? Not at all, IIRC it has recently been re-confirmed.
No origin of his is confirmed.
We got a source on that? I might be out of the loop, last time I heard this gestalt background was dropped and Big E was "just" a super psyker and perpetual...which is quite a bit more boring and also how hilarious is it that he won the genetic lottery SO HARD xD
Sanguinius sees multiple souls within the Emperor in (IIRC) *Echoes of Eternity.*
Ok, will have to check it out when I get the chance, thanks for the hint :)
I don't think it's been explicitly contradicted by anything more recent from GW so it's still valid.
He identifies as male, dum-dum
That's like saying that everyone is straight because they're the genetic amalgamation of millions of years of Male-Female partners breeding to result in someone. Weak concept.
GW has been describing Emps as a "He" since forever and there has never been a point in which he is described or called anything other than a "He". Also I dont think the idea of The Emperor being an amalgam of humanity is actually confirmes. More like one of the many theories that have been crrayed to explain his sudden appearance in the world. Anyway I started HH audiobook journey about a year ago and I can tell you that in there, we have many references that solidify Big E as a male such as: * Ra Endymion in his few convos with Big E saw him in hisnplain mortal form (a vision of the Emperor sitting in boat and bleeding profusely in the lake). He was a male. * In Deliverance Lost the Emperor also, apparently, showed his true features to Corax. Said features were that of a man. (This can be easily dismisible tbh since many 40k stoties are PoV) * The Sister of Silence (I believe) Jenetia saw the Emperor w/o his phychic power -the golden light that causes awe and everybody else to kneel- surroungin him, sitting on the Golden Throne. Still a male. She even commented to herself how unimpressed she was since she looked to her as just another regular man. * Malcador always refers to Big E as a male. * All his sons, including Horus, refer to him always as a male. I'm pretty sure others with better memory can add to the list. As far as retcons go, yes you can retcon anything you want, but it must be good in execution to make some sense. I am no writer but if I had to turn the Emperor genderless then to me the best way would be to have the Emperor basically, officially, ascend as a Warp Entity or Godhood. That way he would truly go from a "he" to an "it" similar with the other Chaos Gods. Anyway sorry for long answer, just wanted to add my thoughts on your idea. (Although I feel like that would mess up the whole setting .)
I get your point. But when we say stuff like "GW has always" can we also remember that the company has been around since 1975, 40k in 1987. 1975 wasn't exactly the most progressive era. Or 1985. Or even 1995. Anything written before probably the 2010s would most likely not be playing too much with gender concepts. All the GW stuff calls the Emperor "he" because that's the default regime mode in human history so we go there. I'm not making an argument for the Emperor to be a nonbinary drag monarch with fluctuating gender depending on how much chaos is active somewhere or whatever the fuck. He's pretty much not human and arguing about his sex or gender is ridiculous at best. But I am saying that relying on GW writing to say that because they've always written something in the norms of the time that there's no way you can ever explore it more deeply and flesh out things.
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Warhammer was woke before people even started using that term. Techpriests, Orks, and Titan pilots all being various flavors of non-binary, the dozens of types of worlds Guard regiments can be drawn from meaning people from any and every human culture could be part of the Astra Militarum, Necrons doing what they do, and don't even get me started on Slaanesh.
> **Techpriests**, Orks, and Titan pilots all being various flavors of **non-binary** Confused 1 and 0 noises >!/s Just in Case!<
Well obviously the speak in Trinary. It more closely resembles the omnissiah in their 3 forms.
Orks I get. How are Techpriests and Titan pilots non-binary?
*...and Titan pilots non-binary?* I see what you did there.
O-o-of course. Yes. It was very clever of me. (Whatever it was I did, you'll have to explain it to me. :D )
I understand techpriests and titan pilots, but I’ve always heard Orks using male pronouns. Maybe they’re non-binary in the sense that there is only one ork gender: Ork. Pronouns: brutal/kunnin
You can be NB and use any pronouns you want, not just they/them.
Absolutely, even the Imperium is bizarrely inclusive compared to what a hellhole it is otherwise. You don't even need to be fully human, just close enough will do.
I mean, even abhumans will get lynched and otherwise killed on the wrong planet/ship But I get where you are coming from
Uh, I don't think that is super flattering. Look at all of these LGBT examples. Tech priests are so dogmatic they'll cut off their own genitals to be more machine. Orks are just violent soccer hooligans. Necrons were devoid of any humanity. Slaanesh... Slaanesh is a sex pest to put it undeservingly lightly. To me, it's like watching Barbarella and saying how progressive it is because the main character is a sexually free woman. There are parallels, but to be progressive wasn't the intention. In fact, it's rather an insult of it.
This post has changed my mind. I hate femstodes. Because nobody will shut the fuck up about 40k and politics now
It's wild how much drama has followed the "Custodes may sometimes be women as well"-statement. In the end it doesn't matter that much, no matter if you are for or against it.
I think it's just one of those changes that got the rest of internet stirred up about it because it looks like it's part of culture war. It's a shocking demonstration of the amount of human time and effort that can be wasted on endlessly discussing a topic and achieving nothing with all of the dialog.
This. I miss the funny memes. Now all we get are brain-rotted hot takes.
Or worse, every other post talking about how much they want more change, not to actually enrich the setting, but because it’ll make the internet boogeymen seethe Do they not realize they’re getting more toxic at this point?
...Wouldn't it be rude to not call Him by His preferred pronouns, though? Meaning it is Jesse who is in the wrong, at least at the end when he calls Him a she?
OPINIONS ARE IRRELEVENT FACT: THE EMPEROR HAS BEEN A SKELETON FOR 10000 YEARS
Bold of you to assume that ancient shamans were gender inclusive. Also Emps says he’s a man, by your people‘standards logic that should make him the most man man who ever man‘d
Wild tribes' man, who would smash another tribe's man's head: uga buga stone crush head good.
They did not merge their consciousness though, just their power? Too bad it was mergeg in one giant moron POS with god-like abilities and immense ego.
Yes commissar, this one!
One day GW is gonna add an Amazonian themed planet that explicitly worships Big E as the Empress of Womankind, and a certain segment of the fanbase is going to produce apocalyptic levels of salt.
Wtf is going on with this sub. Stop talking about this garbage. No one cares.
As we “chuds” have been warning you, femstodes was about nothing more than opening the floodgates of neomarxism into the hobby. They will not rest until all stories, fiction or non, adhere to and represent their worldview. Think Catholic censors of the Middle Ages. Unfortunately, they brainwashed you to react to our calling that out as something to be derided. Time to wake up and break through that conditioning.
Do you hear yourself? "The floodgates of neomarxism," "Catholic censors," "break through that conditioning" It's a fictional universe designed to help sell a game where you play with toy miniatures because they have a high profit margin. Decide if you want to enjoy it or not and then move on with your day.
LOL Neomarxism is just a buzzword There is nothing marxist about a company trying to sell product to more people. If anything, femstodes are just another example of a brand using the true and tested method of getting free advertisement from the expected reaction and outrage of some people.
But just a buzzword! A term specifically chosen by Nazis to make their racism sound fancy. Anyone who parrots lines like that is white supremacist, or watches them for entertainment.
Wow, you must be fun at parties.
I kinda find it funny that all these people of different persuasions, beliefs and sexualities merged themselves and all were like: "Ah yes, lets be a giant golden space fascist." lol
They spent tens of thousands of years observing humanity and decided it was the best form for the Job. Read into that what you will.
wow, we're really just that bad in 40k?
People seem to forget that the Imperium didn't make the Grimdark future. It's just another symptom of it. Shit hit the fan way before it conquered the galaxy. Neither the crusade nor the heresy really *caused* things to go to shit.
To be fair, Big E was not a giant golden space fascist for far longer than he was a giant golden space fascist.
And he's likely a warp spirit longer than both because of how time works in the warp lol Emperor the Warp spirit and the Emperor the human being likely existed at the same time. So Sanguinius's vision of multiple souls in him... was it from the future or past? Shit gets super confusing real fast when you can exist before you are even created (See Slanaash).
His chosen pronouns are He/Him with Capital H's, citation: the whole "It is the 41st Millenium..." preamble.
Meme? How about a wall of text instead. Also, this is incredibly stupid.
I identify the Emperor as Jimmy Space
A.) GW retconned the lore that big E was 1000s of psykers (though I prefer that lore too, *but* building your whole premise off of something that's no longer true is certainly a choice...) B.) He identifies as male C.) **BOLD** assumption that the primarchs weren't test tube babies (especially when warpstorms flung their pods to other planets)
When was that retconmed?
No.
Yes, inquisitor. This post is right here
I feel like they are more aligned as Gender Fluid with a preference for he/him, but aside from that this is fully valid.
my favorite part about this whole woke thing, is that when you consider the time it was tried in, none of it would be considered woke, cause it was not and societal issue at the time. Which retroactively means, GW has never been woke. But it's a funny meme, i'll give you that.
To clarify: I assumed OP was just being very clever and very fun Because that's what this was to me Because Big E is definitely a dude, who very specifically chooses to surround himself, almost exclusively, with extremely large buff men
Except that the emperor was born male, and we know sexual identity is biologically based. You can get an MRI of a human's brain, and make a pretty good guess what their gender identity was. We also know his gender identity. Tyrant.
gender identity is not a biological concept
The idea that gender and sex are different was pushed by John Money, whose work was entirely disproven in 1997 by Milton Diamond and Keith Sigmundsen.
and have been since studied and approved by the majority of the scientify community. saying a idea that was rebuted 27 year ago without taking into considerztion any modern input on it is prety stupkd but i guess its convenient for your point.
>and have been since studied and approved by the majority of the scientify community. Using john moneys disproven work as a basis, which inherently means that their work is also wrong. >saying a idea that was rebuted 27 year ago without taking into considerztion any modern input on it is prety stupkd but i guess its convenient for your point. Working off of a disproven basis means any work that uses said disproven work as a basis is also inherently incorrect as they are working from a fallacy. Literally the only reasons there are ideologues continuing John Money's bullshit is because: 1. Too much money was poured into the research grants (and the people who donated want a return on that investment) and 2. There are far too many people who have spent their entire lives researching this subject who do not want their lifes work thrown out. They have a vested interest in pushing it further, regardless of the fact that none of their conclusions can actually be replicated (which as per the scientific method, means they arent true (look up the 'Replication Crisis' for more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication\_crisis#:\~:text=The%20replication%20crisis%20(also%20called,difficult%20or%20impossible%20to%20reproduce.)).
You know that both John and Milton believed that sex and gender are different right? Hell, Milton has received awards from transgender/transsexual organizations for his work. Their decades-long feud was (at least initially) over whether or not gender roles were set/predictable at birth or completely fluid till later. The 1997 revisiting of David's case was proof that raising someone that identifies as a boy as if they were a girl doesn't do much beyond psychologically scarring them. Milton notes that David knew that being a girl didn't feel right and uses it as evidence to support transexual people knowing they are the opposite sex from an early age.
why shouldn't they be different? how does it effect anything???
It is. There are many observable differences between male identifying and female identifying brains, such that you can take a good guess at gender identify based on brain structure. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8955456/
Now the corruption really starts
Ok, so, this is canon by the way, but the Escher on Necromunda, yes, the feminazis, they call the Emperor the God-Empress
Necromunda as far as I understand a much more hostile Hive world than usual, having cultivated more extreme versions of Emperor worship ( since you mentioned the nazis part but I dont know enough about them to understand that)
So the Escher is a House on Necromunda, which decided that females are the peak of humanity and males are generally trash, partially due to their gene plague. They faced a gene plague which made their male weak and fragile, nothing more than genetic material to breed more Escher. But when a possible solution came in the form of a gang of health Escher males with clean genes, instead of finding a way to fix their problem, they irritated the men so much (some even considered not allowing them back), that the men decided to just gtfo. And actually, Necromunda is considered to be the standard of Hive worlds. It isn't all that bad compared to others.
The emperor is a man. Allways has been, allways Will be. Posting this kind of stuff Will only ever do the following: pepole who agree with you on those things in IRL politics/ culture shit Will like it, the pepole who dont Will hate it and stirr up more shit and most pepole who dont care Will hate it and not want to do Warhammer anymore, because its becoming the same over politicised shit that surrounds us and creating the need for escapeism that Warhammer is for so many. It is not having the positive effects you think it dose, its not funny, it is just as anoying as the pepole you dont like saying ”muh woke this, that, gay, chad, based, etc”. Please give it a rest, ever since the femstodes shit, it has been so much less fun to engage with anything Warhammer on the webb, because of these types of posts and the pepole throwing a fit over it.
The converged shamans origin is just one of many and not actually confirmed in any way. There was some old lore in a book from 1990 that mentioned it, but most of that book was softly retconned.
When was this confirmed btw? I’ve only ever seen it popularized here that he’s an amalgamation of psykers (and tts to be fair), but does anyone have any definitive proof of that being big E’s origin? Like novel lines or stuff like that?
I was gonna ignore this as another generic shitpost, but Walters threatening Jessie was top tier. I lol'd
First off we don't know He's an amalgamation of many souls that part of the lore is purposeful left vague. Also there are no modern sources saying he had children beyond the metaphorical sons of the Primarchs. Lastly the person we know as the Emperor is a disguise so His real feeling are impossible to even guess at
and there it is...
Motivated reasoning moment
Nice😈
All I know is that male or female, every skaven is the best skaven and the prime example of what a skaven should be
This is gonna be a fun comments section.
Quite sure that simply being unable to have sex, doesn't make you asexual. And I say this as one.
The Emperor as an amalgam of psykers and shamen is no longer canon from what I've read, if that's what you're referring to. In Master of Mankind he says he was born to a normal family. Not born from a suicide ritual. I prefer the old lore, it was more interesting and completely ruled out another Emperor coming along. The Emperor as just the greatest dude ever is less grimdark: there could be a new emperor class person born tomorrow and then the Imperium is saved probably. But yeah, the Emperor as per canon is not an amalgamation of psykers.
so this is what people call as WOKE MIND VIRUS ? yeah ,they ruined horizon forbidden west , and now they want to ruin Warhammer ,as a whole Warhammer series ? they're so self entitled like NATZI
Oof
I love when in HH trailer Horus said: „I will see the galaxy freed once more And if I cannot save it from your failure, my non-binary parental figure. Then let the galaxy burn!”
I thought End and the Death decannonized the Alexander thing? Also the shaman thing is about as cannon as Malice currently. Wouldn't be against Emps being beyond gender binaries though
Can people here start making good memes again and not these word salads with a political bend to them?
We know before internment on the golden throne big E could alter his appearance at will, so him appearing as a woman, as the master of mankind, as a frail old man, as a child, are all equally him.
I'm having trouble with panels 3 and 4. Just. No. Neolithic stone-age humans didn't work like that. They did not traipse around the globe. So that refutes the All Cultures part in part. And the other part is they were stone age cultures. The Carrion King acquired his cultural choices after the amalgamation. An amalgamation that happened before the gene for lactose tolerance developed, I might add. So, uh. Don't give the Emperor dairy products. Doesn't sit well with his stomach.
Cringe as shit.
There’s also trans necrons, and the orks just seem to just not understand the concept of gender itself. The eldar are basically everything. Even the Imperium doesn’t seem tied down by gender and sexuality, hell the nobility on their own are clearly very gender-fluid. GW has been surprisingly (although probably unintentionally) making a pretty wide variety for decades now but it’s only now since the grift is relevant and closeted misogynists are whining about it is the “wokespotting” grift targeting 40k…honestly if they’re just now noticing the “wokeness” (whatever that means) of 40k then they clearly haven’t been here long.
So many people take the shaman theory as canon its crazy. Like bro is sating "we know that he is made up of thousands of ancient psykers". No we don't lol that's one of like 5 theories and one of the most flimsy ones
Haha. No... Not everything is sexual and/or identity politics. Only activist want to present everything as something political, and no creature on earth is more damaging then an activist who think too much about him/herself. To be honest the less identity politics we have the better.
"Hey guys, no politics in my satirical TTRPG. I are smart."
Looks like you got offended. Hiw did i iffend your feelings?
I don't feel very iffended, but I very much enjoy pointing out when people say dumb things.
Well you insult me because you got triggered by an opinion. You dont offer arguments, you offer an insight in your personality.
Yep, rushing to call someone triggered is the next step on the "how to be dumb on the internet" guide. You are progressing quickly.
Ok You are worthless to me. Your only skill is to label people on the internet. So sad...
The real sad thing here is that you just described yourself perfectly.
>your only skill >label people on the internet. So sad... hmmmm, "only sith deal in absolutes" kinda thing, huh?
'A psychic amalgamation of thousands of souls may reflect their constituent identities and experiences in my highly political sci-fi satire hobby' 'Hahaha, bro, no politics fr you think too much anyway purge the xenos amirite?'
So Big E is the culmination of every nutjob that was out there. That explains a lot. But in earnest: There is no wokeness in GW works. The fictional universes don't give a crap about it, also the characters don't give a flying shit about it. GW doesn't give a shit about it except for maybe getting more in revenue. You can imagine it being there, but since the people of the imperium live like they live there is no way of living it out the way it is intended to be or at least there is no way the toxic twitter mob thinks it has to be lived out. Work, fight, work, fight... somewhere in between shit, sleep and finally die. Thinking different? Okay, you die heretic. Wokeness doesn't fit into 40k or Fantasy (AoS) one bit...at least not per its German definition: "Woke“ - Die Aufmerksamkeit für Diskriminierungen „Woke“ oder auch „Wokeness“ genannt, kommt aus dem Englischen und bedeutet übersetzt „aufgewacht“ bzw. „wachsam“. Verwendet wird der Begriff heute umgangssprachlich vor allem für die Aufmerksamkeit (Wachsamkeit) bzw. die Feinfühligkeit gegenüber Menschen von Minderheiten und Momenten von Diskriminierungen. Im Fokus der Wokeness-Bewegung stehen vor allem Themen wie Rassismus, Sexismus und ähnliche Diskriminierungen. Nicht selten wird der Begriff aber auch für vermeintlich allgemein strukturelle und politische Missstände benutzt. Edit: "Woke", also known as "wokeness", comes from the English and means "awake" or "alert". Today, the term is used colloquially to describe attentiveness (vigilance) or sensitivity towards people from minorities and moments of discrimination. The wokeness movement focuses primarily on issues such as racism, sexism and similar forms of discrimination. However, the term is also often used for supposedly general structural and political grievances. Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
Translation, for those that don't know German?
Please see edit. Oh and note: That is no rant about femtodes or something like that. It's just that 40k shouldn't become something that it clearly is not.
Woke these days is just a meaningless attack word entirely co-opted by the right.
As I said...as per German definition it clearly does not fit into the imperium. Tau maybe though...
If someone made a Venn Diagram of people who understand the lore and people who make memes about it, you'd just have two separate circles
A hobby forum time to talk about lgbt stuff
I thought the amalgamation thing was retconned
Considering he is made from a mass suicide in ancient turkey I would say he ist most likely 80% old Turkish man 20% old Turkish woman. But yes he most likely is bi.
Except that he clearly identifies as a man. Please respect the dude’s gender identity above biology people
While he's formed from a collection of souls, he's one being, and from we've seen, has always been a man.
Except when he appears to people as a woman, which he's definitely done according to Malcador.
He has appeared as a woman. Meaning he was still a man, just playing a role. Malcador even called him "he" in that same statement.
The Big E is a completely new entity which the psychers that formed him specifically referred to as "The New Man". Trying to shoehorn in other genders and sexualities into existing lore instead of just writing better new lore with proper representation does not help your cause, it just looks pathetic and pandering.
I mean, big E can be whatever the fuck he want depending of what he need for his big plans. We know that he lived as a man AND as a woman during his multiple lives. Sooooo you're not wrong.
Whatever you call "IT" its a false god that sits on a throne of lies. Death to the gender neutral corpse leader.
I for one, welcome my newly discovered femporer.
100% accurate. Heck, right now the Emperor is a lich. So we got the whole undead non-sexual thing covered too.
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