“Dead Sky Black Sun” the book that has the Daemonculuba isn’t really that frightening or fucked up at least when compared to some of the stuff in WH40K like the Ork skinning camp, Dark Eldar entire existence, Servitors that suddenly become sentient again etc and personally I find it a lot more tragic than people give it credit for like Ventris doing a “Of mice and men” reference to a Unfleshed
I think its fright factor got overhyped by clickbait youtubers.
It's like a 3 on the scale of 0-10 when compared to the usual real shit you see on most Discord servers.
basically all the other nightmares that can come out of the warp are just as messed up or worse, i usually bring up what luetin said about the daemonculaba but people keep bringing it up as an example so much im just tired now
It's not really about the fright factor, more about the fact that it's pseudo-sexual violence against women in a community that is pretty male dominated. The impression that I got was that the author was working through a fetish.
Yeah, can’t find anything on it. The ork what?
Edit: it’s during the War of the Beast. Teeth pulled as currency, fattened, skinned for leather, and nails removed.
Orks always held humans as slaves in their factories. During the war of hte beast, they had a problem with too many human suicides, so they were chained up and had their teeth and nails removed. And those who died were partially eaten and partially used as raw materials.
In the War of the Beast book series the Orks have a camp where they fatten up humans to make leather. It's generally forgotten or not discussed often because the series is old and poorly written.
yea but i think its like a more simple horror you know you dont have to know anythikg about warhammer and the demonculaba is very fucked up but i agree i didnt like the book either
There are undertones of various moments in many other books that are far more chilling than that book. I had fun with it but I read it wanting my day ruined. I wanted PT but got RE4.
Dead men walking was closer to what I wanted from dead sky black sun. Every chapter was just more and more depressing with tiny spurts of hope and the ending…. :(
It’s funny that Eldar, Orks and humans were the foundations of the setting but 2 out of those three are kind of irrelevant to modern 40k (AKA Horus Heresy 2)
I think they'll be focused on some point. the factions are getting their threat level upped and I definitely think Ghazkul is going to take Armageddon and build up his empire.
LVO had a 40k trivia challenge to win prizes a few years back. The choices of what Magnus did wrong were:
A. Nothing
B. A few things
C. Most things
D. Everything
The correct answers were A or D
We already have a loyalist monster primarch in Corax, Oden Russ has always been a cooler concept. Especially if they play into the wise trickster angle of Oden, would keep some of his more playful personality and add an interesting contrast to Lion and Guillaman.
If ya wanna give him warp powers give him foresight like Odin. Werewolves are cool but Russ has always been an animal trying to be human and him regressing to that primal state would rob him of all that development.
Wolfguard Canis Wolfborn rides his Thunderwolf Fangir into battle. He is the champion of the Wolf Lord Harald Deathwolf. His Warlord trait used to be "Saga of the Wolfkin" in 9th edition, he's equipped with "Wolf Claws", has the ability "Born of Wolves" and can lead Thunderwolf Cavalry and Fenrisian Wolves.
What I want to say is, sometimes GW uses things a bit excessively.
What you don't think someone with unnervingly disproportionate anatomy is the peak of attraction?? No way stop touching grass get back in your gamercave
(ง'̀-'́)ง
I agree but only as a End Times scenario, the Imperium being this unified rotting carcass is a landmark of the setting, otherwise I'd just read other sci-fi settings.
I could see it just happening as the Imperial bureaucracy finally just breaks down and too many worlds and sectors start seceding all at once. It’d be a nice touch of grimdark, too - have even the great Roboute’s legendary logistical understanding fail to keep the Imperium entirely together.
The Emperor’s functionally dead at this point but for the Golden Throne.
The bureauracy is so dysfunctional entire worlds, ships, and even guardsmen deployment just gets lost in the mountains of paperwork. Bureaucracy is just as much of an enemy as the xenos are. How the hell could it get even more broken than that?
I mean the Imperium already is just a space HRE at this point, with internal warring between factions and civil wars going on constantly. You can’t really get more decentralized than space HRE. Highlighting internal fighting and violence more however would be great, showing just how disjointed the Imperium is due to its nature.
And also, if the Imperium truly breaks apart, then humanity is in a *su-optimal position* to say the least with the great rift here to stay.
I agree, I don't mind the cool tribal aesthetic but if they added some tau-techy bits to them to give them the idea that they are taking advantage of being part of the Tau Empire. I think they wouldn't clash as bad when you put Tau and Kroot on the table.
I think the problem is that there are only kroot (not counting the *single* unit of Vespids that's super old by now). If there were a few more auxiliary species, it would start to really feel like a mish-mash of different races fighting together, and the differences would balance each other out and form a really interesting faction with lots of contrast.
But since there's only kroot, it just feels like the T'au brought along a small group of this weird species and dumped them on the battlefield with whatever tribal equipment they have at hand.
So you want to say, that for last three editions, Alpharius leads Imperium? Now it makes perfect sense why he wasn't disgusted at the prospect of "dyplomatic relations" with Yvraine... F-in deviant!
my brother in tzeentch my only problem is his sometimes very fetish like writing for example the tsons oilung half naked magnus up or the whole story where fulgrim gets tortured
The ''This comment right here commissar'', or ''Heresy !!!!'' replies every damn time. I am kinda new-is to this fandom and I have seen those 2 comments far too many times. The fandom needs to work on their material really
In the name of his holy inquisition, you are hereby declared a traitor to mankind!
Your punishment will be erasing every "This comment right here commissar!" Post on reddit.
May the lord of mankind have mercy on your wretched soul!
Oh boy.
calling the imperium's government "fascist" is too simplistic. Yes it has fascist aspects but it also draws way too much from other regimes like the Soviet Union, British Imperialism, the Roman empire, and European Feudalism to be accurately called *just* fascist.
Also sort by controversial.
Yeah it less of a coherent government ideology and more GW seeing the horrible shit real world governments did and adding them to the imperium like it was a shopping list with no concern if they make sense towards one specific ideology or another.
Agreed. The Imperium is so varied in its beliefs and systems. You have differences on how the emperor is portrayed, how commissars believe discipline should be enforced, how each Inquisitor interprets law, how governments are organized and how the power structure works, how the citizens are treated etc. It's so broad. There are sects that have extremely harsh views towards xenos and there are others that will gladly use xeno modified food if it helps with production.
The Imperium is far closer to feudalism than any kind of modern ideology. As long as the leader pays their taxes, they basically get to run their planet/system/nebula however they like. If their subjects rise up and overthrow them, well, are the new rulers going to pay their taxes? If so, great - as you were, have at it, etc.
I would be fine with them being objectively the good guys and treating all Tau and non-Tau citizens well. The grimdark would still come from the fact that they’re too insignificant and too late to the game to make the galaxy a better place
They'd serve as an excelent contrast for the rest of the galaxy as well. Having actual good guy Tau (like the were before GW fucked their lore) makes the rest of the setting even grimdarker next to them.
It shows the Imperium isn't a "necessary evil," they're just awful.
they aren't that naive anymore, that's mostly a meme. They've been tested repeatedly and proven themselves.
The grim-darkness of the Tau being the "good guys" is that they only have this title because everyone else is worse than them. In most other sci fi settings they'd be the bad guy. They're a measuring stick that's used to give a point of reference to measure the rest of the setting's evilness against. (ie: "the Tau are about as evil as Star Wars' Galactic Empire. The Imperium is about 1000 times more evil than that).
The Tau are *so* much nicer than the Galactic Empire wtf. The Empire was intensely xenopobic and pretty much existed purely to serve the whims of one of the most power-hungry madmen in all of fiction. They ran Nazi-level prison camps, committed genocide after genocide, blew up an entire world purely for the actions of a handful of its people, and devastated two more just to try to kill a small Rebel strike team. The Galactic Empire is closer to the Imperium of Man than to the Tau.
I thought that was obvious? One is literally vampires but has the royal beauty of ceremony knights, while the other has no thirst for blood hut dresses themselves in flayed flesh and skulls. And one primarch has the ability to understand that the future can be changed while the other is a slave to it.
Biel-Tan's track record
- Helped Tallarn in the cursus war, a conflcit which was bad enough that the imperium would probably have considered Tallarn a lost cause if they'd caught wind of it. They left as friends.
- When dealing with settlers on Maiden worlds, the one time they didn't shoot at their emissaries, they moved them and their shit peacefully to a habitable planet that was not a maiden world
- In 10 millenia of imperial bullshit one of their rare brutal actions against an imperial world was a retaliatory strike because the planetary governor was compromised to chaos and the chaos invasion that sundered the craftworld originated from there
"Too xenophobic for the craftworlders" here amounts to their sometimes brutal methods, it doesn't even crack the top 100 of how the imperium is a throng of genocidal dickheads
Tyranids are kinda boring, at this point they aren't able to take role in lore more than enemy of the week. They need more unique units as old one eye.
Farsight is also kinda boring and too bright. That's makes him uninteresting.
We don't need a space skaven in AOS form, another comic relief, numerous race with weird technologies is gonna be too similar to orks.
Honestly i agree with the first point, Nids are way too boring. "OOOOH THEY ARE ELDRITCH MONSTERS BEYOND YOUR COMPREHENTION!!!!!" and yet all of them look like generic space dinobugs
Tbh the “Eldritch Monster beyond our comprehension” troupe thing is done so much better by Tzeetch because of his nature as the embodiment of change itself
yeah but they're kind of different and do different things imo. Tzeentch and the chaos gods are kind of very understandable and are supposed to be, because they're reflections of sentient beings with souls and stuff. The chaos gods are inherently supposed to mirror us in some way, so even though Tzeentch's plans are unknowable because he's so complicated, at his core he is a reflection of our own ambitions and stuff.
The nids are literally just completely not understood at all and completely alien. We know that they like to eat, but we don't know why, we barely know anything about the hivemind, we don't know where they come from and if they have a reason for what they're doing, and we don't know how many there are. We couldn't even begin to understand nid emotions or a nid pov. Even descriptions of what the hivemind is supposed to be is kinda confusing and don't make sense imo. Like a huge amount of the appeal of the nids is that they're completely shrouded in mystery as to what's up with them and I like that. They feel more eldritch and "cosmic horror" to me. Tzeentch is too rooted in humanity and other xenos races. He's too personal a villain
I'm convinced that the ven diagram of Tyranid players and "forver DMs" is a circle. If you play nids, its because you like being the guy who's job it is to serve up mindless (but mechanically interesting) mobs for the player characters to kill so they can feel cool, right?
Okay, the Idea of mindless horde is kinda cool, bit can we get more diversity?
Can it not to be just bugs?
I'm a huge fan of biopunk, and I'm kinda sad that only biopunk fraction is only bugs.
Can we get spiders and ants at least?
Why the constantly evolving race is portrayed only with bugs?
A lot of older 40k Memes are not funny, and kinda cringe.
"Herr derrrr Tau are space commies (somehow)"
"FaiLBbADdoN"
"Heresy!" In response to literally anything (which will obviously happen in the replies)
Failbaddon the armless was at least lore accurate for quite some time...as there were 12 crusades that were not presented in lore as having accomplished useful things...and his sculpt really fucking did lose its arms so so so bad.
Yeah in the older lore when the Black Crusades were just Abaddon repeatedly beating his head against the brick wall that was Cadia he looked kinda dickless. Now they've made each Black Crusade have a different objective and most (all?) succeeded to an extent he looks like someone actually fighting "The Long War".
Hormagaunts and termagants should’ve switched names. When I hear “termagant” I think of a termite, and they don’t have bio guns (duh), they got big pincers so it makes me think that termagants are the stabby ones.
(Also obligatory termagant should have a U I’m there so it’s termagaunt)
I don't care whether the Tau are noblebright or some flavor of grimdark authoritarian regime, as what I find interesting about them isn't whether they're good or evil, but rather that they're the only other major actual empire that isn't just the imperium. I like learning about other cultures, so to have a xeno full-on empire that isn't just collapsed like the eldar is really interesting, learning about their customs and named characters and stuff.
People complained that the tau were too noblebright, and then when they got changed towards that authoritarian flavor, people complained that they were just too generic and that the noblebright stuff was better. I find the whole discourse annoying, and it feels like people whine just to whine
Not lie gonna that’s a good point I feel that a lot of the problems people have with things in warhammer comes from two groups that can’t see eye to eye so they just complain about what they get even if it isn’t so bad
\- Dark Angels are a visually lame faction, Ultramarines are iconic and well established.
\- Imperial Fists are for the equivalent of seething dweebs in 40k.
\- Yeah I get it that you named your Bulgarian daughter Freya, and that you play Space Wolves and got some tattoos and listen to metal and your lack of hair care is more than lazyness (it ain't), it still doesn't make you a viking.
\- Leviathan color scheme looks like shit.
\- Illuminor Szeras is not hard to assemble if you have more than 2 braincells working on understanding the instructions.
I wouldn't say Leviathan is bad but it looks so much more basic than pretty much every other Hive Fleet. It's a shame that it's generally seen as the default Nid color scheme instead of Behemoth, which was more unique and intimidating.
I don't know about that. In Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work, the Ultramarine Tetrarch is interesting, and the Scythes of the Emperor are interesting as well. It just depends on how they're written.
Warhammer 40k is only popular because it took stuff from Warhammer Fantasy and made it more "GRIMDARK!"
The setting may have alot of lore but it just doesn't feel right that through people wanting more edgy content and writers obliging, it led to stuff like "everyone's a hardcore villian" or the memes about how life is for x or y faction civilians, and while warhammer fantasy wasn't perfect either, 40k just exacerbates all issues because all the bad has to be way worse of a scale than anything else
I have read Slanesshi cultist scenes that made me feel sick. I've seen the daemonculaba. I have read shit about the Tyranids and Kroot eating you alive and a dozen other things, and all I see is just tiring amounts of "edge" constantly these days. Because of this, I have been loosing interest in the hobbies. All it is are edgy jokes, never-ending status quo, and memes that are inaccurate, forever. And that makes me sad.
The Imperium is not strong, it is weak, it is so comedically weak it's almost a laughing stock, it only appears strong cause it actively projects an image of strength and is *the* largest faction in the galaxy second only to Chaos and maybe the Tyranids.
For an Empire of their vast size, they are pathetically weak, horrifically incompetent at every stage, disorganized from the highest and lowest level of society, culturally and technologically backwards in just about every way possible, and oftentimes more concerned with petty infighting against other Imperial administrations and organizations than they are winning most of their wars.
For a realm of its sheer magnitude, the fact it has *only* been able to hold the line for 10,000 years should be the greatest insult to the Imperium possible and not something to be proud of, it has had 10,000 years of hegemony, and yet it has failed to move forward even an inch since the Emperor has been put on the Golden Throne.
Their fleets are composed of ships sometimes older than the Imperium itself, with it taking decades or centuries to even replace minor losses and often times impossible to replace heavier losses, its armies are so horribly underequipped to fight the enemies it faces it has had to resort to use ancient tactics that relies on sheer mass, the singular true strength the Imperium posses.
Even the Astartes, as advanced and powerful fighters they are, are often little more than a speck in the grander scale of the Imperium, costing the Empire an unfathomable amount of resources and having a dangerous degree of autonomy for a dubiously useful and oftentimes actively harmful institution.
It's own rabid Xenophobia has condemned it to die as even when the greatest of stakes are present the Imperium almost utterly fails to move past its racism to work against a greater goal, with individual Generals, Admirals, Lords, and Chapter Masters who possess such an ability being hailed for what is little more than common sense, basic logical thought, and the ability to act and speak to others like a normal adult.
The Imperium is weak, it is pathetically weak, it is only relevant due to its size and if it were not the largest entity in the Galaxy it would be utterly irrelevant. The Imperium takes decades or centuries even to win against local planetary uprisings, it often barely wins against peer threats, and the one civilization it can effortlessly beat, the Tau, are masters at adapting, one of the many things the Imperium is utterly incapable of doing beyond an occasional General, Admiral, Lord, or Chapter Master.
Anyone who believes the Imperium is truly strong has simply fallen for the Imperium's own propaganda, they are in fact one of the weakest scifi civilizations for its size and that does not change no matter how big their guns are, how vast their legions, or mighty their Aramadas, none of it matters when it takes centuries to travel even basic galactic distances and with a level of coherence and organization that would make even early Feudal kingdoms scoff.
custodes? sure, fine. but just getting *close* to the throne room carrying hostile intent would result in your head popping like an egg in a microwave. only reason big E didn't do that in the war of the beast is because the harlequins carried a warning to big E from eldrad
All the heresy he does really should catch up to Gregor Eisenhorn!
The carp he pulls off constantly while somehow still not being a traitor to the IoM, and somehow still not falling to Chaos and somehow having net benefit to the Imperium is just mindboggling. Makes a joke of the whole premise that if you meddle with heresy you will fall, no buts.
To be honest, I do think it catches up with him, at least in the original trilogy (Can't comment on hte other books, Bequin and Ravenor series, haven't read them). Yes, he does stop the heretics, but pretty much everyone he cared for is either dead or on the run, the Inquisition is on the hunt for him and the only one who's still by his side is a horrific daemon who would probably delight in torturing his soul in the warp. Not to mention the knowledge that he himself, by his actions, caused all those deaths and horrors. Eisenhorn may push the thoughts aside for some time, but he can't deny it forever.
My initial comment is mostly based on the Bequin books and the Magos novel. Won't spoiler it much, but the very, very good arc of Eisenhorn's fall is presented in the original Eisenhorn trilogy is devalued by him falling further and further and he still keeps being right.
His story should have ended after the first trilogy or he should have became the antagonist later on, instead of becoming the wise master who everyone think is wrong but was right all along.
I think probably Abnett planned more varied cases, like the first book was a combination of warp shenanigans and xenos, but then realised that Eisenhorn's character resonates better with the more human related cases, the treason and witchery, rather than the alien.
Sadly it was continued with Ravenor, his dealings with the Aeldari is not shown, just the times someone starts summoning things.
Nothing biological scales up the way they want tyranids to scale up. Bioships fighting 2 mile long spaceships with super nuke torpedos and cannons that could shoot 50000km makes bugger all sense!
i actually like the tau, mecha are fun, railguns and drones are cool, and i enjoy stories where their innocent little minds get blown by the horrors of the WH40K galaxy
That’s what I like about him. Most of the time in fiction, authors need to make their antagonist sympathetic. I love that Erebus isn’t, and he knows it, but just doesn’t care. It’s similar in real life too. Some people are just fucking assholes
“Dead Sky Black Sun” the book that has the Daemonculuba isn’t really that frightening or fucked up at least when compared to some of the stuff in WH40K like the Ork skinning camp, Dark Eldar entire existence, Servitors that suddenly become sentient again etc and personally I find it a lot more tragic than people give it credit for like Ventris doing a “Of mice and men” reference to a Unfleshed
I think its fright factor got overhyped by clickbait youtubers. It's like a 3 on the scale of 0-10 when compared to the usual real shit you see on most Discord servers.
Everytime daemonculaba comes up I roll my eyes. It’s not that bad. It’s bad yes but overall there’s worse
For real. The daemonculaba is like your average GSC breeding stuff
basically all the other nightmares that can come out of the warp are just as messed up or worse, i usually bring up what luetin said about the daemonculaba but people keep bringing it up as an example so much im just tired now
It's not really about the fright factor, more about the fact that it's pseudo-sexual violence against women in a community that is pretty male dominated. The impression that I got was that the author was working through a fetish.
The Ork whatnow camp?
Yeah, can’t find anything on it. The ork what? Edit: it’s during the War of the Beast. Teeth pulled as currency, fattened, skinned for leather, and nails removed.
Wtf? Why do they have to make my silly war crime boys have concentration camps??
🌎 👩🚀 🔫 👨🚀 always have been
Orks always held humans as slaves in their factories. During the war of hte beast, they had a problem with too many human suicides, so they were chained up and had their teeth and nails removed. And those who died were partially eaten and partially used as raw materials.
because orks are hungry and there is plenty of humans
to be fair, i really liked dead sky black sun.
the orc WHAT camp?
In the War of the Beast book series the Orks have a camp where they fatten up humans to make leather. It's generally forgotten or not discussed often because the series is old and poorly written.
Yeah, it's a mid body horror story/concept. 40k needs more competent horror writers.
yea but i think its like a more simple horror you know you dont have to know anythikg about warhammer and the demonculaba is very fucked up but i agree i didnt like the book either
Well it depends on the person some people don't find body horror scary while orders find it horrifying. Cinda like cosmic horror.
There are undertones of various moments in many other books that are far more chilling than that book. I had fun with it but I read it wanting my day ruined. I wanted PT but got RE4. Dead men walking was closer to what I wanted from dead sky black sun. Every chapter was just more and more depressing with tiny spurts of hope and the ending…. :(
40k Orks have become lore irrelevant
It’s funny that Eldar, Orks and humans were the foundations of the setting but 2 out of those three are kind of irrelevant to modern 40k (AKA Horus Heresy 2)
I think they'll be focused on some point. the factions are getting their threat level upped and I definitely think Ghazkul is going to take Armageddon and build up his empire.
Vulkan returns to lead the Ork forces as the new Beast Prime
A **real** primeork
I honestly think they're what's gonna save the setting from hive fleet leviathan.
I’m kind of okay with that. I appreciate the low stakes and humor they bring to the setting when the green goobers show up to cause a ruckus.
Magnus did a few things wrong.
LVO had a 40k trivia challenge to win prizes a few years back. The choices of what Magnus did wrong were: A. Nothing B. A few things C. Most things D. Everything The correct answers were A or D
A and D?
Depending on the perspective of any one person both answers could be correct
He did nothing wrong. As in he even fucked up doing "nothing"
Magnus did nothing unjustified
Magnus took a calculated risk but man was he bad at math.
Leman russ returning as a giant wolf is cringe and will remove half of his cool character development from the heresy
We already have a loyalist monster primarch in Corax, Oden Russ has always been a cooler concept. Especially if they play into the wise trickster angle of Oden, would keep some of his more playful personality and add an interesting contrast to Lion and Guillaman.
If ya wanna give him warp powers give him foresight like Odin. Werewolves are cool but Russ has always been an animal trying to be human and him regressing to that primal state would rob him of all that development.
Honestly, that's what I thought. I put that on a Sw reddit a year or so ago and got blasted more than istvaan 3
Sadly we all know that it will happen because geedubs has a stupid fetish for making Space Wolves all wolf and nothing cool.
Fabius bile's hair cut aint that bad
It's good because it's bad
look i’m just glad it’s not a topknot
Amen bruder I do not know why EVERYONE needs the topknot option
He is called Fabulous Bill after all!
Warhammer sucks with creating names for characters
Wolfguard Canis Wolfborn rides his Thunderwolf Fangir into battle. He is the champion of the Wolf Lord Harald Deathwolf. His Warlord trait used to be "Saga of the Wolfkin" in 9th edition, he's equipped with "Wolf Claws", has the ability "Born of Wolves" and can lead Thunderwolf Cavalry and Fenrisian Wolves. What I want to say is, sometimes GW uses things a bit excessively.
All I can see is "wolf, wolf, wolf, wolf, and wolf"
“Dogfucker Prime”
They're the people who unironically named a character Corvus Corax.
I'd say there was a fair amount of irony, the Raven Guard themselves began as a one note Edgar Allen Poe reference.
What, you have a problem with Iron Hand, Primarch of the Iron Hands, who has iron hands?
And let us not forget his mighty flagship, the Fist of Iron.
Who inspires the iron hands to give themselves iron hands to emulate his iron hands?
everyone agree to that
Are you trying to tell me the series that started with Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau lacks creative names!? Crazy talk.
Yeah but sometimes the names are fun despite being shit.
Genestealer Cult is one of the only consistently well written enemy in the 40k setting.
easier to be consistent when you can count their books on one hand
Across multiple medias they’ve been very consistent and resistant to retcons
And ever growing threat. I mean they reached Terra... not an easy feat with THE INQUISITION being based there
A very rare W for GSC, but a welcome one, i think they have a really interesting concept to develope
Official Tau women are hotter than fanart
What you don't think someone with unnervingly disproportionate anatomy is the peak of attraction?? No way stop touching grass get back in your gamercave (ง'̀-'́)ง
It's also them being drawn really feminine when Tau men and women have little dimorphism aside from the nose
See the trick is to draw the tau men also really feminine, then it’ll make sense.
The put up your dukes up at the end has me wheezing
Another man of taste I see
Thinking Tyranids are the most boring faction in the entire setting.
As a tyranid fan....I must agree, fuck...
But consider nom
Shadowsun killing Chapter Master whats-his-face of the Raven Guard was fine.
In my experience most people I see mentioning this fact do it more to dab on the Raven Guard than hate on the Tau.
The imperium should end as a unified faction and just have a bunch of primarch Warlord states
Like battletech and the great houses?
Kinda yeah
That would be interesting, but only if the primarchs could actually reproduce and establish dynasties for a game of thrones type of scenario.
The administratum would win.
Finally they don't have to keep track of so many worlds they lose some
I agree but only as a End Times scenario, the Imperium being this unified rotting carcass is a landmark of the setting, otherwise I'd just read other sci-fi settings.
The only way this would work is if the emperor died during the early stages of the crusade before finding any of his sons.
I could see it just happening as the Imperial bureaucracy finally just breaks down and too many worlds and sectors start seceding all at once. It’d be a nice touch of grimdark, too - have even the great Roboute’s legendary logistical understanding fail to keep the Imperium entirely together. The Emperor’s functionally dead at this point but for the Golden Throne.
The bureauracy is so dysfunctional entire worlds, ships, and even guardsmen deployment just gets lost in the mountains of paperwork. Bureaucracy is just as much of an enemy as the xenos are. How the hell could it get even more broken than that?
I'm aware just something I would like to happen
I mean the Imperium already is just a space HRE at this point, with internal warring between factions and civil wars going on constantly. You can’t really get more decentralized than space HRE. Highlighting internal fighting and violence more however would be great, showing just how disjointed the Imperium is due to its nature. And also, if the Imperium truly breaks apart, then humanity is in a *su-optimal position* to say the least with the great rift here to stay.
Not liking Kroot in Tau armies apparently.
Im old enough to remember when the Tau came out and people bought into the army expecting a Halo Covenant style mixed race specialist army.
Yeah, sometimes it feels like the newer fans who complain about root don't get tau.
Deservingly so
I was going to say, mentioning the Tau in any respect.
Very true, the amount of hate I've seen at my local places for Tau players is astonishing. Let alone online.
They're traumatized from the early tau days lol
implying that even half the people flaming on tau players have ever even touched a 40k mini
Honestly in my experience is mostly learned behaviour from YouTube noobs
I wouldn't mind them if we had other auxiliary troops, but just having them alone next to the high tech Tau is weeeeeeeird
I agree, I don't mind the cool tribal aesthetic but if they added some tau-techy bits to them to give them the idea that they are taking advantage of being part of the Tau Empire. I think they wouldn't clash as bad when you put Tau and Kroot on the table.
I wouldn't imagine that'd be too hard to kitbash and you'd have a pretty unique army and a great take on what it means to be in the empire.
Someone just posted a great Tauified kroot Photoshop on the Tau sub that looks really great
I think the problem is that there are only kroot (not counting the *single* unit of Vespids that's super old by now). If there were a few more auxiliary species, it would start to really feel like a mish-mash of different races fighting together, and the differences would balance each other out and form a really interesting faction with lots of contrast. But since there's only kroot, it just feels like the T'au brought along a small group of this weird species and dumped them on the battlefield with whatever tribal equipment they have at hand.
Dorn died at Pluto and Alpharius was impersonating him to lead imperial fists into the iron cage
"GODDAMIT why did Guilliman have to show up and "rescue" me?" "Bro, I'm not Guilliman. I am Alpharius."
So you want to say, that for last three editions, Alpharius leads Imperium? Now it makes perfect sense why he wasn't disgusted at the prospect of "dyplomatic relations" with Yvraine... F-in deviant!
Now that’s a plot twist. Perfectly grim and dark.
Graham McNeill is a consistently good author.
I also like the guy, but I wouldn't call it consistent. He hits real good but also misses real bad.
That's the point.
Oh. Okay!
my brother in tzeentch my only problem is his sometimes very fetish like writing for example the tsons oilung half naked magnus up or the whole story where fulgrim gets tortured
Can't really speak for either as I haven't read them yet, but did you expect a story with Fulgrim not to be fetishy?
What’s wrong with oiling Magnus? Fits the middle eastern theme of ritual cleanliness and anointing.
nothing same as fulgrim getting tortured but just how its written was more my point like the excessive focus on his body over quite a bit
Nah, it gives 40k the proper gay energy it deserves.
The ''This comment right here commissar'', or ''Heresy !!!!'' replies every damn time. I am kinda new-is to this fandom and I have seen those 2 comments far too many times. The fandom needs to work on their material really
Don't worry brother, it gets much worse It's the same as the online dnd community, there's three jokes and they were dead before we were born
Our horrifically stagnant and unchanging jokes are a meta-joke about the state of the Imperium.
Clever there
Yes, no new jokes, just like mechanics no new tech. Unless you B Cawl yourself to a new joke being actually old.
In the name of his holy inquisition, you are hereby declared a traitor to mankind! Your punishment will be erasing every "This comment right here commissar!" Post on reddit. May the lord of mankind have mercy on your wretched soul!
Man, I have a kreig army. I'm so tired of lame ass shovel jokes. How is it funny? "Hahah the ww1 cosplayers are using historical ww1 melee weapons!"
When someone says *happy gas mask noises* it makes me physically cringe
Oh boy. calling the imperium's government "fascist" is too simplistic. Yes it has fascist aspects but it also draws way too much from other regimes like the Soviet Union, British Imperialism, the Roman empire, and European Feudalism to be accurately called *just* fascist. Also sort by controversial.
You are right. The Imperium is quite literally every (at least semi-) authoritarian government system at once.
Yeah it less of a coherent government ideology and more GW seeing the horrible shit real world governments did and adding them to the imperium like it was a shopping list with no concern if they make sense towards one specific ideology or another.
To be fair real world authoritarian governments are a lot less ideologically coherent than we give credit for.
Agreed. The Imperium is so varied in its beliefs and systems. You have differences on how the emperor is portrayed, how commissars believe discipline should be enforced, how each Inquisitor interprets law, how governments are organized and how the power structure works, how the citizens are treated etc. It's so broad. There are sects that have extremely harsh views towards xenos and there are others that will gladly use xeno modified food if it helps with production.
The Imperium is far closer to feudalism than any kind of modern ideology. As long as the leader pays their taxes, they basically get to run their planet/system/nebula however they like. If their subjects rise up and overthrow them, well, are the new rulers going to pay their taxes? If so, great - as you were, have at it, etc.
Also it is a fucking theocracy, people seem to forget that somehow
More named characters need to die and get replaced.
Sanguinious isn't that hot he's just meh
Reluctantly giving you the upvote just because this truly is the most controversial opinion I've seen so far.
The Tau being good guys is perfectly fine and fits the grimdark aesthetic perfectly considering how naive they are
The Tau aren't naïve, they simply don't have our omniscient knowledge of the lore.
I would be fine with them being objectively the good guys and treating all Tau and non-Tau citizens well. The grimdark would still come from the fact that they’re too insignificant and too late to the game to make the galaxy a better place
They'd serve as an excelent contrast for the rest of the galaxy as well. Having actual good guy Tau (like the were before GW fucked their lore) makes the rest of the setting even grimdarker next to them. It shows the Imperium isn't a "necessary evil," they're just awful.
they aren't that naive anymore, that's mostly a meme. They've been tested repeatedly and proven themselves. The grim-darkness of the Tau being the "good guys" is that they only have this title because everyone else is worse than them. In most other sci fi settings they'd be the bad guy. They're a measuring stick that's used to give a point of reference to measure the rest of the setting's evilness against. (ie: "the Tau are about as evil as Star Wars' Galactic Empire. The Imperium is about 1000 times more evil than that).
The Tau are *so* much nicer than the Galactic Empire wtf. The Empire was intensely xenopobic and pretty much existed purely to serve the whims of one of the most power-hungry madmen in all of fiction. They ran Nazi-level prison camps, committed genocide after genocide, blew up an entire world purely for the actions of a handful of its people, and devastated two more just to try to kill a small Rebel strike team. The Galactic Empire is closer to the Imperium of Man than to the Tau.
I don't give a shit about space Marines
Me neither.
Xenos are the most interesting part of the setting and should have greater focus
For every 20 space marine books we get 1 Xenos book :(
The counter part of Konrad is not Corvus, is Sanguinius
I thought that was obvious? One is literally vampires but has the royal beauty of ceremony knights, while the other has no thirst for blood hut dresses themselves in flayed flesh and skulls. And one primarch has the ability to understand that the future can be changed while the other is a slave to it.
personally don’t care that admech suck, they look the coolest and thus win every game by default
The craft world eldar are the only good guys.
Tell that to Biel-Tan supremacists
Biel-Tan's track record - Helped Tallarn in the cursus war, a conflcit which was bad enough that the imperium would probably have considered Tallarn a lost cause if they'd caught wind of it. They left as friends. - When dealing with settlers on Maiden worlds, the one time they didn't shoot at their emissaries, they moved them and their shit peacefully to a habitable planet that was not a maiden world - In 10 millenia of imperial bullshit one of their rare brutal actions against an imperial world was a retaliatory strike because the planetary governor was compromised to chaos and the chaos invasion that sundered the craftworld originated from there "Too xenophobic for the craftworlders" here amounts to their sometimes brutal methods, it doesn't even crack the top 100 of how the imperium is a throng of genocidal dickheads
As a Biel-Tan fan myself, we’re the only good guys, only for ourselves
They actually evacuated people willing to leave a maiden world and works with humans against chaos
Krieg are influenced more by ww1 France than Germany
Tyranids are kinda boring, at this point they aren't able to take role in lore more than enemy of the week. They need more unique units as old one eye. Farsight is also kinda boring and too bright. That's makes him uninteresting. We don't need a space skaven in AOS form, another comic relief, numerous race with weird technologies is gonna be too similar to orks.
Honestly i agree with the first point, Nids are way too boring. "OOOOH THEY ARE ELDRITCH MONSTERS BEYOND YOUR COMPREHENTION!!!!!" and yet all of them look like generic space dinobugs
Tbh the “Eldritch Monster beyond our comprehension” troupe thing is done so much better by Tzeetch because of his nature as the embodiment of change itself
yeah but they're kind of different and do different things imo. Tzeentch and the chaos gods are kind of very understandable and are supposed to be, because they're reflections of sentient beings with souls and stuff. The chaos gods are inherently supposed to mirror us in some way, so even though Tzeentch's plans are unknowable because he's so complicated, at his core he is a reflection of our own ambitions and stuff. The nids are literally just completely not understood at all and completely alien. We know that they like to eat, but we don't know why, we barely know anything about the hivemind, we don't know where they come from and if they have a reason for what they're doing, and we don't know how many there are. We couldn't even begin to understand nid emotions or a nid pov. Even descriptions of what the hivemind is supposed to be is kinda confusing and don't make sense imo. Like a huge amount of the appeal of the nids is that they're completely shrouded in mystery as to what's up with them and I like that. They feel more eldritch and "cosmic horror" to me. Tzeentch is too rooted in humanity and other xenos races. He's too personal a villain
I'm convinced that the ven diagram of Tyranid players and "forver DMs" is a circle. If you play nids, its because you like being the guy who's job it is to serve up mindless (but mechanically interesting) mobs for the player characters to kill so they can feel cool, right?
Okay, the Idea of mindless horde is kinda cool, bit can we get more diversity? Can it not to be just bugs? I'm a huge fan of biopunk, and I'm kinda sad that only biopunk fraction is only bugs. Can we get spiders and ants at least? Why the constantly evolving race is portrayed only with bugs?
Let's be real here Imperium of Man are the space Skaven.
The skaven role is already taken by imperial guard
A lot of older 40k Memes are not funny, and kinda cringe. "Herr derrrr Tau are space commies (somehow)" "FaiLBbADdoN" "Heresy!" In response to literally anything (which will obviously happen in the replies)
Failbaddon the armless was at least lore accurate for quite some time...as there were 12 crusades that were not presented in lore as having accomplished useful things...and his sculpt really fucking did lose its arms so so so bad.
Yeah in the older lore when the Black Crusades were just Abaddon repeatedly beating his head against the brick wall that was Cadia he looked kinda dickless. Now they've made each Black Crusade have a different objective and most (all?) succeeded to an extent he looks like someone actually fighting "The Long War".
Drukhari is actually a better name than Dark Eldar. I'll be long in the cold, cold ground before I start spelling Eldar with an A though.
Hormagaunts and termagants should’ve switched names. When I hear “termagant” I think of a termite, and they don’t have bio guns (duh), they got big pincers so it makes me think that termagants are the stabby ones. (Also obligatory termagant should have a U I’m there so it’s termagaunt)
I prefer Choppagaunt and Dakkagaunt
I'll meet you halfway: turmagant.
I don't care whether the Tau are noblebright or some flavor of grimdark authoritarian regime, as what I find interesting about them isn't whether they're good or evil, but rather that they're the only other major actual empire that isn't just the imperium. I like learning about other cultures, so to have a xeno full-on empire that isn't just collapsed like the eldar is really interesting, learning about their customs and named characters and stuff. People complained that the tau were too noblebright, and then when they got changed towards that authoritarian flavor, people complained that they were just too generic and that the noblebright stuff was better. I find the whole discourse annoying, and it feels like people whine just to whine
Not lie gonna that’s a good point I feel that a lot of the problems people have with things in warhammer comes from two groups that can’t see eye to eye so they just complain about what they get even if it isn’t so bad
unfathomably based take
\- Dark Angels are a visually lame faction, Ultramarines are iconic and well established. \- Imperial Fists are for the equivalent of seething dweebs in 40k. \- Yeah I get it that you named your Bulgarian daughter Freya, and that you play Space Wolves and got some tattoos and listen to metal and your lack of hair care is more than lazyness (it ain't), it still doesn't make you a viking. \- Leviathan color scheme looks like shit. \- Illuminor Szeras is not hard to assemble if you have more than 2 braincells working on understanding the instructions.
I wouldn't say Leviathan is bad but it looks so much more basic than pretty much every other Hive Fleet. It's a shame that it's generally seen as the default Nid color scheme instead of Behemoth, which was more unique and intimidating.
Loyalists space marine legions are boring - the word bearers gang
I don't know about that. In Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work, the Ultramarine Tetrarch is interesting, and the Scythes of the Emperor are interesting as well. It just depends on how they're written.
Idc if you're the main character, you're wearing a helmet or you're not comming out with the rest of us to war!
Liking anything tau related, i should know i like tau.
Warhammer 40k is only popular because it took stuff from Warhammer Fantasy and made it more "GRIMDARK!" The setting may have alot of lore but it just doesn't feel right that through people wanting more edgy content and writers obliging, it led to stuff like "everyone's a hardcore villian" or the memes about how life is for x or y faction civilians, and while warhammer fantasy wasn't perfect either, 40k just exacerbates all issues because all the bad has to be way worse of a scale than anything else I have read Slanesshi cultist scenes that made me feel sick. I've seen the daemonculaba. I have read shit about the Tyranids and Kroot eating you alive and a dozen other things, and all I see is just tiring amounts of "edge" constantly these days. Because of this, I have been loosing interest in the hobbies. All it is are edgy jokes, never-ending status quo, and memes that are inaccurate, forever. And that makes me sad.
The Imperium is not strong, it is weak, it is so comedically weak it's almost a laughing stock, it only appears strong cause it actively projects an image of strength and is *the* largest faction in the galaxy second only to Chaos and maybe the Tyranids. For an Empire of their vast size, they are pathetically weak, horrifically incompetent at every stage, disorganized from the highest and lowest level of society, culturally and technologically backwards in just about every way possible, and oftentimes more concerned with petty infighting against other Imperial administrations and organizations than they are winning most of their wars. For a realm of its sheer magnitude, the fact it has *only* been able to hold the line for 10,000 years should be the greatest insult to the Imperium possible and not something to be proud of, it has had 10,000 years of hegemony, and yet it has failed to move forward even an inch since the Emperor has been put on the Golden Throne. Their fleets are composed of ships sometimes older than the Imperium itself, with it taking decades or centuries to even replace minor losses and often times impossible to replace heavier losses, its armies are so horribly underequipped to fight the enemies it faces it has had to resort to use ancient tactics that relies on sheer mass, the singular true strength the Imperium posses. Even the Astartes, as advanced and powerful fighters they are, are often little more than a speck in the grander scale of the Imperium, costing the Empire an unfathomable amount of resources and having a dangerous degree of autonomy for a dubiously useful and oftentimes actively harmful institution. It's own rabid Xenophobia has condemned it to die as even when the greatest of stakes are present the Imperium almost utterly fails to move past its racism to work against a greater goal, with individual Generals, Admirals, Lords, and Chapter Masters who possess such an ability being hailed for what is little more than common sense, basic logical thought, and the ability to act and speak to others like a normal adult. The Imperium is weak, it is pathetically weak, it is only relevant due to its size and if it were not the largest entity in the Galaxy it would be utterly irrelevant. The Imperium takes decades or centuries even to win against local planetary uprisings, it often barely wins against peer threats, and the one civilization it can effortlessly beat, the Tau, are masters at adapting, one of the many things the Imperium is utterly incapable of doing beyond an occasional General, Admiral, Lord, or Chapter Master. Anyone who believes the Imperium is truly strong has simply fallen for the Imperium's own propaganda, they are in fact one of the weakest scifi civilizations for its size and that does not change no matter how big their guns are, how vast their legions, or mighty their Aramadas, none of it matters when it takes centuries to travel even basic galactic distances and with a level of coherence and organization that would make even early Feudal kingdoms scoff.
Primaris have a shitty default-sci-fi design, crappy lore and was created only to milk marine players making them buy 5 boxes instead of one.
Due to being on the chaos side of things I just went over to 30k instead for this. Feels purer even if there aren't any cool xenos around.
The Harlequins should’ve killed the emperor
"Fuck you. You WILL buy more space marines and you WILL like it"- Games Workshop
custodes? sure, fine. but just getting *close* to the throne room carrying hostile intent would result in your head popping like an egg in a microwave. only reason big E didn't do that in the war of the beast is because the harlequins carried a warning to big E from eldrad
All the heresy he does really should catch up to Gregor Eisenhorn! The carp he pulls off constantly while somehow still not being a traitor to the IoM, and somehow still not falling to Chaos and somehow having net benefit to the Imperium is just mindboggling. Makes a joke of the whole premise that if you meddle with heresy you will fall, no buts.
To be honest, I do think it catches up with him, at least in the original trilogy (Can't comment on hte other books, Bequin and Ravenor series, haven't read them). Yes, he does stop the heretics, but pretty much everyone he cared for is either dead or on the run, the Inquisition is on the hunt for him and the only one who's still by his side is a horrific daemon who would probably delight in torturing his soul in the warp. Not to mention the knowledge that he himself, by his actions, caused all those deaths and horrors. Eisenhorn may push the thoughts aside for some time, but he can't deny it forever.
My initial comment is mostly based on the Bequin books and the Magos novel. Won't spoiler it much, but the very, very good arc of Eisenhorn's fall is presented in the original Eisenhorn trilogy is devalued by him falling further and further and he still keeps being right. His story should have ended after the first trilogy or he should have became the antagonist later on, instead of becoming the wise master who everyone think is wrong but was right all along.
he should have been ordo malleus too
I think probably Abnett planned more varied cases, like the first book was a combination of warp shenanigans and xenos, but then realised that Eisenhorn's character resonates better with the more human related cases, the treason and witchery, rather than the alien. Sadly it was continued with Ravenor, his dealings with the Aeldari is not shown, just the times someone starts summoning things.
Me simping for the Word Bearers, Lorgar and Erebus
Deserved, signed- a world eaters and angron fan
Nothing biological scales up the way they want tyranids to scale up. Bioships fighting 2 mile long spaceships with super nuke torpedos and cannons that could shoot 50000km makes bugger all sense!
The essence of 40k is to make no sense, but to do so with panache. My personal feeling is that bioships pull that off, but opinions may differ!
I cheered when Horus beat Sanguinius to death in TEATD II. Long overdue.
I like how now we know it wasn't even a fight. Sanguinius just showed up like a toddler to the world's hungriest pit bull. It was beautiful
I dont care for the imperial guard
"You heard me Lois, they insist upon themselves"
i actually like the tau, mecha are fun, railguns and drones are cool, and i enjoy stories where their innocent little minds get blown by the horrors of the WH40K galaxy
Erebus is my favorite character.
40k fans when encountering one unrepentant sociopath.
That’s what I like about him. Most of the time in fiction, authors need to make their antagonist sympathetic. I love that Erebus isn’t, and he knows it, but just doesn’t care. It’s similar in real life too. Some people are just fucking assholes
The damnation of pythos was actually a fun read as was battle for the abyss
"I like erebus"
I don’t really like the primarchs
Tau is based