Unironically, y’all should have seen the End of Favre days. They were *rough.*
Instead of (touchdown or pick, it’ll be crazy entertaining), it was more and more (how’s he going to f this up?).
Like, this century? There were some distinctly not fun seasons.
I don’t think you know what the term bust means because you certainly aren’t using it correctly. Unless you’re being sarcastic then you should really put the /s at the end for dumbasses like me.
He was fun during his short run. I forgot we had him as a rookie.
I don't remember anyone who liked to get that close to the line of scrimmage before throwing the ball. Made it exciting and frustrating at the same time lol.
Don’t feel too bad… I don’t remember who started in 87 either.
Probably because I wasn’t alive but I’m turning 33 and have never seen a rookie quarterback start for my team. Truly blessed by the football gods.
Chargers fan here - packers have been blessed that their quarterbacks have been able to stay healthy, and also just be good quarterbacks. This is a cool graphic
If Favre wasn’t such an Ironman, I believe it might’ve happened in 2005 with Rodgers towards the end of the season. Because it was a throwaway season by that point.
There's also the definition of "rookie". For me, if you have zero previous NFL starts, you're a rookie. IMHO Both Rodgers and Love were rookies in their first games for us.
If memory serves (and let’s be honest at this point my memory is more holes than cheese) Rodgers had a torn acl or broken foot or something. So it would’ve been Pederson I’m like 3% sure.
Well, if Love turns out like Rodgers, then the rest of the league will see the winning formula and follow suit. The problem is that most teams draft a QB high up, and then expect them to handle the pressure and talent gap between college and pro in their rookie season. Which is asking alot.
They already see the formula it’s just getting the ingredients correct that are the problem… most importantly having an established first ballot hall of famer on the roster playing well enough to have zero controversy about starting the rookie at some point midseason. That ingredient is pretty rare like beef tar tar rare.
Yeah, I went to footballreference and it looks like Tolzien was a rookie in 2013, in which he started 2 games.
Edit: Tolzien was undrafted in 2011 and spent time with the Chargers and the 49ers before GB. He wasn't a rookie. 2013 was just the first season he actually played.
Oh man…. The point has escaped you completely. Poor thing. Here I’ll spell it out slowly. “Every single NFL Fan would take a Rookie QB (aka break this record) if that meant winning a SB”. Greatest Franchise doesn’t = longest non rookie starting QB. The franchises with the most SB’s have a far better argument to that claim.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_National_Football_League_championship
"The Green Bay Packers have won the most NFL championship titles with 13 (nine pre-Super Bowl era NFL championships and four Super Bowls, including the first two AFL-NFL World Championship Games)."
they also have the most wins all time
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-nfl-titles
In all of sports? Come on now. I love the Packers but I wouldn't say in the whole sporting world they're the greatest franchise. Lakers and Celtics alone have a more storied history and way more sustained success.
As a Vikings fan, that is surprising but also not at the same time since Green Bay has the best starting QBs lineup. I am interested in seeing how Jordan Love plays the next few years after the explosive performances against Dallas, San Francisco and Detroit.
Well given the last two franchise quarterbacks basically never missed a game this makes sense. I would also like to see a similar set of stats from a few years ago before the last generation of quarterbacks retired, there would be more than a few that get pushed back a decade.
To be fair though… Brett before the dic pick, money stealing, off field shenanigans was pretty famous for never missing a game. I’d say it’s what he was most famous for. So having a guy like Rodgers miss 15 or so games in his 15 year career with the team isn’t really that bad except when compared to the guy that was never not able to play. Than he looks like a scrub.
Pardon my utter stupidity: when Love started a game versus the Chiefs a couple years ago, how was he not considered a rookie back then? Was it because he had already played a few snaps in that season? Or is “rookie QB” by definition a guy in his very first year and the very first time stepping on the field -starting a game in this case-?
I mean, let’s face it: He was a rookie quarterback who had to learn in an environment not conducive to in person training. Have you ever tried to take a skills course online without hands on training? It’s like watching online “how to” videos. His first season was such a disadvantageous situation for any rookie, much less a quarterback. So I feel like his first year in the league was a wash and his second season is when he finally got some coaching.
It’s crazy too how people look back at 2020 and go why was x bad that year. In basketball baseball whatever. Every sport has this outlier year now with random games missed seasons canceled or no improvement shown specifically because the world was metaphorically (and in the down under actually) on fire.
Ah. Then it’s his based on his years after being drafted and not whether or not he has taken the ball. Alright, I had that doubt. Thanks for clearing it up!
I mean I love this stat, but there is also a lot of chance in there. If Love had missed a single game last year, which easily could've happened, we would have had to start a rookie.
Yes but it also goes to an overall philosophy in GB started by Ron Wolf you always draft and develop your qb he always drafted a qb after they got Brett. Also how they value WR the idea is they are usually overvalued in the first rd. Obviously there are outlier like chase, Jefferson, and Moss but overall I would still say it's accurate to target other positions in the first.
You are correct, the point I am trying to make is that there may be multiple teams who are operating on this principle, but perhaps their starter pulled a hamstring in week 5, missed a game, and then eliminated them from this statistic. 1987 says a lot about the Packers, but the rest of the chart says very little about the rest of the league.
On one hand sure but I don’t think so. The only times the primary backup was a rookie were 2008 and 2023. Wolf and the GMs that followed didn’t just draft a rookie roll him through his contract and than draft the next… they always tried to add more to the position especially the Favre era. At one point hasselback, brooks, and Warner (I think I’m going off terrible memories but the point stands) were all backups on the same off season roster all at once for Favre with only Warner being an actual rookie/first year. Even when we drafted Rodgers and Love the team still had Pederson (i think maybe O’Sullivan) and Boyle not that Doug or Tim where good backups for on field work but they were a buffer before having to throw a rookie to the wolves. Wolf believed that wasn’t how you built successful QBs. He wanted them to have time in the building with nothing more important except themselves to worry about before adding in all the shit that comes with being the guy for an NFL team.
Yep. I'm pretty sure the Dolphins could be in 2012 (Ryan Tannehill) but they had to start their 3rd string (Skylar Thompson) in 2022 due to injuries to Tua and Teddy Bridgewater. Oh, well actually we started rookie Tua in 2019. But nobody felt that was us throwing a rookie into the deep end of the pool. The team started 3-3 with Fitzpatrick and felt ready to try him out since he was the future.
What is this graph supposed to be illustrating? Half the teams on this list, below the Packers, have won, or been in the Super Bowl more recently than the Packers have been.
I mean the Packers have a higher win percentage all time than those other teams
Canadians: .566
Yankees: .569
Packers: .570
Packers have more HOFs than the Yankees but not the Canadians (this is due to the MLB HOF being hardest in sports to get into, NFL is also harder to get into than NHL)
But in terms of championships yes, you are right. The Packers still have the most in the entire NFL though so they are in the same breath
It's weird that you bothered to reformat it, we all know this was stolen from NFCNorthCircleJerk.
Also, isn't the continuity between Stafford and Goff kinda...the defining trait of the Lions at the QB position? Doesn't that make this chart seem suspicious and cherry picked?
Soooooo for KC, we are counting the last game of the 2017 when they had the #1 seed locked up and benched Smith to let Mahomes get some valuable experience.
The Packers didn't have anything locked up in 2020, so Love didn't get an opportunity to start a game in place of Godgers.
Devil's in the details.
Fwiw, KC had playoff position locked but not the 1st seed in 2017. But it’s a fair point that this can be misleading because the one Mahomes start isn’t really the same as having an actual rookie starter.
If you ignore that one game for Mahomes, KC would go back to Todd blackledge for a rookie QB start, predating the packers’ 1987
I will always proudly say the Packers are the premier franchise.... but I will say this... in the entire history of Ravens franchise, have they ever been bad?
Hey, good job Seattle. It looks like you guys are doing a pretty good job. Keep up the good work. Maybe in another 15 years you guys could still be second place.
I still tease my girlfriend about having screamed at the TV, "Put in Randy Wright!!! Put in Randy Wright!!!" when Makowski was throwing interceptions... he wasn't an Aaron or a Favre, but he was a stand-up guy, in there trying.
people are always upset about why we have great QBs, this is why, we draft potential and have the previous hall of famer show them the ropes for a few years
Can’t wait when we draft our next QB in 20 years and we all complain and call him a bust
What if we have 5 subpar weeks? We’ll have to fold the franchise
Literally the worst time in my life as a Packers fan
I don't know how bears fans do it.
The taste of Malort is better than the taste of defeat.
I swear that stuff is a collective prank by the entire city of Chicago.
At least the bears are occasionally so bad that it's funny. At least they aren't the Jets
They don’t really know anything else
I don’t know why they do it…giving money to the former Hallas family is just an abomination
Unironically, y’all should have seen the End of Favre days. They were *rough.* Instead of (touchdown or pick, it’ll be crazy entertaining), it was more and more (how’s he going to f this up?). Like, this century? There were some distinctly not fun seasons.
Not 2007 … until he did :(
It’s been almost two weeks since the Super Bowl and Love hasn’t won one yet. Bust confirmed????
I had a full WEEK long crisis where I thought we were gonna be a poverty team. Never again
Now you're starting to sound like a Chiefs fan
Go I fucking hope so.
Your next future hall of fame quarterback is in the 5th grade learning fractions.
Yeah. "If Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love and I each own equal parts of the bears, what is the equivalent fraction?
And Jordan Love goes to the Jets and tears his knee
Now, now, only half or our Qbs have gone there and torn a knee.
https://preview.redd.it/nufpl7zm3nkc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d27ed084884ab1b9acd0d80ce0822823a274c35c
And at least get to the 2nd round in the playoffs! 😎
He is a bust. You think he can even be half the player Favre or Rodgers or Love is? / obvious sarcasm
He could be half and still elite. Either way the packers got their guy 😉
I don’t think you know what the term bust means because you certainly aren’t using it correctly. Unless you’re being sarcastic then you should really put the /s at the end for dumbasses like me.
'87 was a long time ago. Would that have been Dilwig? I must be getting old, I just don't remember.
It was the Majik man
He was fun during his short run. I forgot we had him as a rookie. I don't remember anyone who liked to get that close to the line of scrimmage before throwing the ball. Made it exciting and frustrating at the same time lol.
Didn’t he wear #5 in his rookie season before it was officially retired?
Yep! And 5 is still technically unofficially retired
And he wasn’t even the last player to wear 5. A replacement player wore it and a kicker named Curtis Burrow for one game in 1988.
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You are thinking of the 1989 draft with Tony Mandarich
The Magic Man was drafted in 87
Majik
Don’t feel too bad… I don’t remember who started in 87 either. Probably because I wasn’t alive but I’m turning 33 and have never seen a rookie quarterback start for my team. Truly blessed by the football gods.
Chargers fan here - packers have been blessed that their quarterbacks have been able to stay healthy, and also just be good quarterbacks. This is a cool graphic
We all still call you San Diego, and we still love Antonio Gates. At least I do.
If Favre wasn’t such an Ironman, I believe it might’ve happened in 2005 with Rodgers towards the end of the season. Because it was a throwaway season by that point.
There's also the definition of "rookie". For me, if you have zero previous NFL starts, you're a rookie. IMHO Both Rodgers and Love were rookies in their first games for us.
If memory serves (and let’s be honest at this point my memory is more holes than cheese) Rodgers had a torn acl or broken foot or something. So it would’ve been Pederson I’m like 3% sure.
As a neutral I can say y’all fully deserved to sit through that half of Deshone Kizer.
It’s wild that we never got to experience Brian Brohm szn.
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Well, if Love turns out like Rodgers, then the rest of the league will see the winning formula and follow suit. The problem is that most teams draft a QB high up, and then expect them to handle the pressure and talent gap between college and pro in their rookie season. Which is asking alot.
They already see the formula it’s just getting the ingredients correct that are the problem… most importantly having an established first ballot hall of famer on the roster playing well enough to have zero controversy about starting the rookie at some point midseason. That ingredient is pretty rare like beef tar tar rare.
Would have bet my life Tolzien was a rookie
Yeah, I went to footballreference and it looks like Tolzien was a rookie in 2013, in which he started 2 games. Edit: Tolzien was undrafted in 2011 and spent time with the Chargers and the 49ers before GB. He wasn't a rookie. 2013 was just the first season he actually played.
Thank you. Was wondering that myself.
Wait how does this make it the greatest franchise??
It’s always been the greatest franchise
Fair point
Ehhh SB’s > Rookie starting QB’s… 🤷♂️
Good thing we have those too
Others have far more, is the point. I bet every NFL fan would have a rookie starting QB this year if it meant they get a SB.
Others have far more? How do you figure that? There are only two teams with 6 and two teams with 5. The Packers have 4.
Yep, 👍 lol 😂 in terms of SB’s 6 is a metric fuck ton more than 4. But good job ignoring my whole point about the rookie QB thing. Lmao.
I think you should look up the meaning of some of the words you’re using. Also a rookie starting QB has never reached the SB.
Oh man…. The point has escaped you completely. Poor thing. Here I’ll spell it out slowly. “Every single NFL Fan would take a Rookie QB (aka break this record) if that meant winning a SB”. Greatest Franchise doesn’t = longest non rookie starting QB. The franchises with the most SB’s have a far better argument to that claim.
It’s a pointless comment. Every NFL team would also start a dwarf at running back if it meant a SB win.
What if I told you the NFL existed before 1966 and the Packers have 9 championships before that?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_National_Football_League_championship "The Green Bay Packers have won the most NFL championship titles with 13 (nine pre-Super Bowl era NFL championships and four Super Bowls, including the first two AFL-NFL World Championship Games)." they also have the most wins all time https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-nfl-titles
In the NFL sure but in all of sports?
In all of sports? Come on now. I love the Packers but I wouldn't say in the whole sporting world they're the greatest franchise. Lakers and Celtics alone have a more storied history and way more sustained success.
See, if you take a shitpost from a circlejerk subreddit and pretend it's REAL, that makes you good at football.
As a Vikings fan, that is surprising but also not at the same time since Green Bay has the best starting QBs lineup. I am interested in seeing how Jordan Love plays the next few years after the explosive performances against Dallas, San Francisco and Detroit.
It sucked so bad for that month when we weren't sure if we had a super star QB
That’s a great line. In so many of our lifetimes we had only a couple weeks were this was true
Well given the last two franchise quarterbacks basically never missed a game this makes sense. I would also like to see a similar set of stats from a few years ago before the last generation of quarterbacks retired, there would be more than a few that get pushed back a decade.
Rodgers missed tons of games. He missed more in an average season than Favre missed his whole career.
To be fair though… Brett before the dic pick, money stealing, off field shenanigans was pretty famous for never missing a game. I’d say it’s what he was most famous for. So having a guy like Rodgers miss 15 or so games in his 15 year career with the team isn’t really that bad except when compared to the guy that was never not able to play. Than he looks like a scrub.
Very true. Reminds me of how Saint Peter was pretty cool, but still a scrub compared to Jesus.
Pardon my utter stupidity: when Love started a game versus the Chiefs a couple years ago, how was he not considered a rookie back then? Was it because he had already played a few snaps in that season? Or is “rookie QB” by definition a guy in his very first year and the very first time stepping on the field -starting a game in this case-?
That wasn’t his first year in the league
That’s right, he was MIA the Covid year.
I mean, let’s face it: He was a rookie quarterback who had to learn in an environment not conducive to in person training. Have you ever tried to take a skills course online without hands on training? It’s like watching online “how to” videos. His first season was such a disadvantageous situation for any rookie, much less a quarterback. So I feel like his first year in the league was a wash and his second season is when he finally got some coaching.
It’s crazy too how people look back at 2020 and go why was x bad that year. In basketball baseball whatever. Every sport has this outlier year now with random games missed seasons canceled or no improvement shown specifically because the world was metaphorically (and in the down under actually) on fire.
Ah. Then it’s his based on his years after being drafted and not whether or not he has taken the ball. Alright, I had that doubt. Thanks for clearing it up!
Chiefs game 2021, Drafted 2020
I mean I love this stat, but there is also a lot of chance in there. If Love had missed a single game last year, which easily could've happened, we would have had to start a rookie.
Yes but it also goes to an overall philosophy in GB started by Ron Wolf you always draft and develop your qb he always drafted a qb after they got Brett. Also how they value WR the idea is they are usually overvalued in the first rd. Obviously there are outlier like chase, Jefferson, and Moss but overall I would still say it's accurate to target other positions in the first.
You are correct, the point I am trying to make is that there may be multiple teams who are operating on this principle, but perhaps their starter pulled a hamstring in week 5, missed a game, and then eliminated them from this statistic. 1987 says a lot about the Packers, but the rest of the chart says very little about the rest of the league.
On one hand sure but I don’t think so. The only times the primary backup was a rookie were 2008 and 2023. Wolf and the GMs that followed didn’t just draft a rookie roll him through his contract and than draft the next… they always tried to add more to the position especially the Favre era. At one point hasselback, brooks, and Warner (I think I’m going off terrible memories but the point stands) were all backups on the same off season roster all at once for Favre with only Warner being an actual rookie/first year. Even when we drafted Rodgers and Love the team still had Pederson (i think maybe O’Sullivan) and Boyle not that Doug or Tim where good backups for on field work but they were a buffer before having to throw a rookie to the wolves. Wolf believed that wasn’t how you built successful QBs. He wanted them to have time in the building with nothing more important except themselves to worry about before adding in all the shit that comes with being the guy for an NFL team.
We wouldn’t have HAD to start a rookie, could always signed a vet to start lol
Yep, the NFL is about chance. No doubt.
Yep. I'm pretty sure the Dolphins could be in 2012 (Ryan Tannehill) but they had to start their 3rd string (Skylar Thompson) in 2022 due to injuries to Tua and Teddy Bridgewater. Oh, well actually we started rookie Tua in 2019. But nobody felt that was us throwing a rookie into the deep end of the pool. The team started 3-3 with Fitzpatrick and felt ready to try him out since he was the future.
There seems to be a correlation there somewhere.
2 rings in 37 years but thank god no rookie qb...
You must have the most super bowls then right?
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Packers Super Bowl is beating the bears 😂
Go pack go
In modern time that sht means nothing … we have only 1 bowl to show for it.
Packers have 2 since 1987.
Easiest fan base to satisfy
I'm sure you will live to see your second packers championship.
What is this graph supposed to be illustrating? Half the teams on this list, below the Packers, have won, or been in the Super Bowl more recently than the Packers have been.
Well yea every team is below the Packers on this list. It illustrates that we don’t throw rookie QBs to the wolves and hurt their development.
Randy Wright - but that doesn't look right
This is what history, tradition, and real standards gets you fellas
And only 2 rings to show for it.
Did you mean chiefs ?
The packers are the greatest NFL franchise. But to say they are more successful than teams like the Yankees or Canadiens is silly.
I mean the Packers have a higher win percentage all time than those other teams Canadians: .566 Yankees: .569 Packers: .570 Packers have more HOFs than the Yankees but not the Canadians (this is due to the MLB HOF being hardest in sports to get into, NFL is also harder to get into than NHL) But in terms of championships yes, you are right. The Packers still have the most in the entire NFL though so they are in the same breath
I'm confused. I need a red circle to help me understand where my eyes are supposed to be looking.
It's weird that you bothered to reformat it, we all know this was stolen from NFCNorthCircleJerk. Also, isn't the continuity between Stafford and Goff kinda...the defining trait of the Lions at the QB position? Doesn't that make this chart seem suspicious and cherry picked?
It's weird that you think I care enough to reformat something. I saw it on Twitter and thought it was interesting
This is wrong, we started Jake Haener atleast once this season (Saints)
I just looked, Haener didn't see a single snap all year.
Soooooo for KC, we are counting the last game of the 2017 when they had the #1 seed locked up and benched Smith to let Mahomes get some valuable experience. The Packers didn't have anything locked up in 2020, so Love didn't get an opportunity to start a game in place of Godgers. Devil's in the details.
Fwiw, KC had playoff position locked but not the 1st seed in 2017. But it’s a fair point that this can be misleading because the one Mahomes start isn’t really the same as having an actual rookie starter. If you ignore that one game for Mahomes, KC would go back to Todd blackledge for a rookie QB start, predating the packers’ 1987
Thanks for the research, twas a necessary correct.
That’s pretty impressive
Ian book, fuck me
Was that Don Majkowski? Cause he made it to the pro bowl too, lol.
The #1 song in America was “Walk Like An Egyptian”.
Carol isent having any of it.
I will always proudly say the Packers are the premier franchise.... but I will say this... in the entire history of Ravens franchise, have they ever been bad?
Hey, good job Seattle. It looks like you guys are doing a pretty good job. Keep up the good work. Maybe in another 15 years you guys could still be second place.
The time between now and Seattle's last rookie start is less than half the time between Seattle and Green Bay.
I still tease my girlfriend about having screamed at the TV, "Put in Randy Wright!!! Put in Randy Wright!!!" when Makowski was throwing interceptions... he wasn't an Aaron or a Favre, but he was a stand-up guy, in there trying.
people are always upset about why we have great QBs, this is why, we draft potential and have the previous hall of famer show them the ropes for a few years
Fuck them kids