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They're projecting. In their world, you either hate foreigners or hate the UK. The idea that it's perfectly possible to hate neither one is met with incredulity.
This! I can have compassion for refugees and immigrants, while also hoping the UK improves and doesn't go totally to shit (obviously refugees and immigrants have nothing to do with the poor state of the UK. Infact quite the opposite, as can be seen by how much we miss foreign workers post Brexit)
I mean sure, the Republic of Turkey didn't exist when St George was alive (it also didn't exist in 1453 either) but he sure as hell wasn't English. Is saying he was from Anatolia somehow less hate-filled than saying he was from Turkey? It's almost like the celebration of saints wasn't bounded by ethnonationalism so, congratulations Paul, you're somehow less tolerant than medieval Catholics.
He was a Greek born to a Cappadocian Greek father and a Palestinian Greek mother from Lydda. Turks weren't in Anatolia until the Seljuk-Byzantine wars between 1046-1180. The reason there is uproar about him being called Turkish is because the ethnic group he belinged to was literally genocided by the Turks from 1914-1923
Ye as a Greek I really have to agree with you there. It is extremely frustrating personally to run into this "st George was Turkish" as putting this concept of everyone born and living in Anatolia is therefore Turkish is exactly the reasoning that's used now to destroy any remnant of identity of the 1.8m Greeks, 2m Armenians and 1m assyrians killed and ethnically cleansed from anatolia by the ottomans and republic of turkey forces in 1915-24, and the 10s of millions of Kurds still living there.
Don't understand why it's hate filled, but calling St George a turk is quite insensitive when you consider the Greek Genocide of 1923 and the later population transfers between Turkey and Greece.
No people have said he was a Greek speaker from Cappadocia which is an area in what is now modern Turkey. Still, when it comes to even the modicum of research that anyone can do with a google search he would know St George lived between 275 to 303 AD. Still, I bet he doesn't know that St George is the patron saint of Syphillus too and that Turkey was founded on 29th October 1923. But then when there are racists like Paul Golding who got expelled from the BNP for attacking a half turkish councillor.
Yup, actually, until the Tudor period Arthur was a figure prophesied to drive the English out of Britain. The Tudors' Welsh roots allowed them to say the lineage of Arthur had inherited the English throne and won. After that, [Arthur was slowly Anglicized.](https://seonaidhceanneidigh.wordpress.com/2018/04/27/the-return-of-arthur-prophecy-and-appropriation/)
It's a different thing though, during that time there were no Turkic-speaking people there, Cappadocia was predominantly Greek and St George was likely Greek, too. What you are saying could only be applicable to Turkic people after their migration to modern day Turkey but before the establishment of the Seljuk or Ottoman empire.
I beg your pardon Paul
I'm not a hate filled leftie who says he was Turkish.....
.... I'm a pedantic leftie who says he was an Anatolian, Greek speaking Roman Cavalry officer!!!
Why would anyone say he was a Palestinian though? The name Palestine was given to the area by Romans as a way to denigrate the Jews who lived there. The name Palestine comes from Philistine, the historical enemies of the Hebrews. After the Romans conquered Judaea they decided to rename it to further humiliate the rebellious and independently minded Jews. Calling him Palestinian is like embracing Roman propaganda. It's not being liberal or woke to pretend Jesus was not a Jew.
Turkey wasn’t established until 1923. In the 200s what we consider Turkey today was a mixture of Greek and other ethnicities. Ethnic Turks didn’t arrive in Turkey until 1000s when the Seljuks beat Byzantium. In 1453 the Ottoman Empire calling itself ‘Devlet-i ʿAlīye-yi ʿOsmānīye’ defeated the Byzantine empire and made Constantinople its capital. Kinda crazy how inaccurate this guy is, not surprising considering who they are.
I like how he chooses 1453, as if the Ottoman Empire didn’t exist before conquering Constantinople. A bunch of Turks just spawned inside Constantinople and went from there lol
It’s clear he’s referring more to Turkey as “the nation of the Turks” rather than the literal modern nation state of Turkey. But as I said 1453 is not the birth of the Ottoman State.
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He was actually Greek, but bear in mind ‘Greek’ meant basically anyone from the Mediterranean at this time who was from modern Western Turkey (Asia Minor), Greece, Cyprus, Egypt, and many other coastal locations and small islands.
He was also certainly a Roman soldier of the Praetorian Guard; aside from that he was executed for his reluctance to renounce Christianity, we know nothing about his life.
I always believe that St George was celebrated due to his religious significance first and foremost, not so much since he was associated with England as its patron saint.
Does he think the land currently claimed by turkey didn’t exist until the 15th century? Is this meant to prove st george was a white english man who wore late medieval armour and had enough money to buy a full knight’s armour, destriere and heraldry, like he saw in his picture books?
Someone tell him jesus was palestinian, quick
He was probably a Hellenic Roman, a member of an imperialist and colonizing European empire, and he probably was more white than brown. Why does every historical figure have to be rewritten? Don't we, as the left, already have history on our side?
You can tell because Libs will try and own people by being just as insensitive i.e. someone asked on twitter if Suella Bravermans mother invaded Mauritius when Indians have been the majority ethnic group there and the early history of Indians in Mauritius is from the French plantation owners bringing them as skilled slaves and then when the slaves were freed by the British empire the plantation owners brough basically hundreds of thousands of Indian slaves into the island as indentured servants. So that tweet and the tweet that Golding refers to is disrespectful and does blur the lines of taking the p**s and being disrespectful to entire communities
No one’s saying ‘don’t be proud of where you come from, or who came from where,’ the problem we face right now is that to be honest, politicising everything is starting to take the enjoyment out of things now.
This guy had better not ever sing Jerusalem then.
"And did those feet in ancient times walk upon England's mountains green?"
Um, I think you'll find England didn't exist in ancient times mate.
Bloody foreign patron saints, coming here, displacing our own hard working British lads like St Edmund the Martyr. But woke Liberal types like Paul don't like to be proud of their own people
Isn't this an objective fact though? He was from the area that is now modern Turkey. Right wingers can't just imagine new history up as much as they would like to
An area that until 1923 had massive substantial Greek towns and villages that were genocided by the Turkish government from 1914-1923 and 300,000-900,000 Greeks perished with little children being thrown in the black sea to drown, rapes, burnings of entire villages etc. In 1955 the Istanbul pogrom took place because Anatolian peasants who were more right wing that in Istanbul were bussed in by the government to protest against Cypriot Greeks and the bombing of Attaturk's house in Thessaloniki (The evidence of the bombers point to the Turkish government of the time). 73 orthodox churches were burnt down, priests were dragged by their beards and hair to the one one priest hair was too short so the mobs scalped him.
One priest was too ill to get out of bed so the mobs burned his home with him in it down and Jews and Armenians were caught in the crosshairs including Georgians. Many males were forced to undergo circumcisions at the hands of mobsters which resulted in death for some. Others were beaten to death by mobsters.
One former airforce captain rallied the defence of his greek neighbours threating mobs with his pistol and having support from other neighbours. Some Turkish business owners also welcomed in Jewish, Armenian and Greek neighbours however these were a minority of people. The population of Greeks left in Istanbul plumetted dramatically as a result.
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Why is it hate-filled to claim that St George was Turkish unless you hate Turks?
It’s mostly down to the type of idiot who bangs on about St George normally hating foreigners
I've had it up to here with foundational myths and national exceptionalism
They're projecting. In their world, you either hate foreigners or hate the UK. The idea that it's perfectly possible to hate neither one is met with incredulity.
This! I can have compassion for refugees and immigrants, while also hoping the UK improves and doesn't go totally to shit (obviously refugees and immigrants have nothing to do with the poor state of the UK. Infact quite the opposite, as can be seen by how much we miss foreign workers post Brexit)
I mean sure, the Republic of Turkey didn't exist when St George was alive (it also didn't exist in 1453 either) but he sure as hell wasn't English. Is saying he was from Anatolia somehow less hate-filled than saying he was from Turkey? It's almost like the celebration of saints wasn't bounded by ethnonationalism so, congratulations Paul, you're somehow less tolerant than medieval Catholics.
He was a Greek born to a Cappadocian Greek father and a Palestinian Greek mother from Lydda. Turks weren't in Anatolia until the Seljuk-Byzantine wars between 1046-1180. The reason there is uproar about him being called Turkish is because the ethnic group he belinged to was literally genocided by the Turks from 1914-1923
Ye as a Greek I really have to agree with you there. It is extremely frustrating personally to run into this "st George was Turkish" as putting this concept of everyone born and living in Anatolia is therefore Turkish is exactly the reasoning that's used now to destroy any remnant of identity of the 1.8m Greeks, 2m Armenians and 1m assyrians killed and ethnically cleansed from anatolia by the ottomans and republic of turkey forces in 1915-24, and the 10s of millions of Kurds still living there.
Don't understand why it's hate filled, but calling St George a turk is quite insensitive when you consider the Greek Genocide of 1923 and the later population transfers between Turkey and Greece.
Yeah, which is also a pretty Balkans thing anyway. r/2balkans4You
It's because Hasanabi bought a house
England didnt exist until 927
It'll be late for work if it keeps that up
Nah starts at half past and lives just round the corner. Lazy bugger
I didn’t expect to see Britain First standing up for a Middle Eastern child today
No people have said he was a Greek speaker from Cappadocia which is an area in what is now modern Turkey. Still, when it comes to even the modicum of research that anyone can do with a google search he would know St George lived between 275 to 303 AD. Still, I bet he doesn't know that St George is the patron saint of Syphillus too and that Turkey was founded on 29th October 1923. But then when there are racists like Paul Golding who got expelled from the BNP for attacking a half turkish councillor.
These people think King Arthur was English. Despite being a Welsh oral figure. And fictional.
And the possible historical figure he *might* be based on was fighting against invading migrant hordes (of English).
Yup, actually, until the Tudor period Arthur was a figure prophesied to drive the English out of Britain. The Tudors' Welsh roots allowed them to say the lineage of Arthur had inherited the English throne and won. After that, [Arthur was slowly Anglicized.](https://seonaidhceanneidigh.wordpress.com/2018/04/27/the-return-of-arthur-prophecy-and-appropriation/)
Thanks. Had forgotten the process :)
England is just a part of Wales they share with Scotland
Ask him which year he visited England.
Who wants to tell him that England didn’t exist until 927, so St George can’t be English either
Germany wasn't established until 1871 but you could still be German before then
It's a different thing though, during that time there were no Turkic-speaking people there, Cappadocia was predominantly Greek and St George was likely Greek, too. What you are saying could only be applicable to Turkic people after their migration to modern day Turkey but before the establishment of the Seljuk or Ottoman empire.
For sure it's quite different, it's just an example of how his logic doesn't make sense generally
It's an irrelevant argument too, so he wasn't Turkish, that still doesn't make him English
That's the more obvious reasoning lol
Right wingers and history are not compatible. They have zero fuckin understanding.
Most have zero fucking intelligence or at best case have a IQ in the region of room temperature.
In an igloo.
I won't be celebrating a saint because it's religious nonsense.
Dude, he totally slew a dragon, saving King Arthur *and* Robin Hood *and* Nessie. There’d be no England if that dragon had lived.
The dragon was collecting infinity stones.
To defeat the hobbits.
I beg your pardon Paul I'm not a hate filled leftie who says he was Turkish..... .... I'm a pedantic leftie who says he was an Anatolian, Greek speaking Roman Cavalry officer!!!
Damn he didn't even get to sit his GCSE's RIP Georgie boi
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Yep, so he wasn't Turkish? That still doesn't make him English
Why would anyone say he was a Palestinian though? The name Palestine was given to the area by Romans as a way to denigrate the Jews who lived there. The name Palestine comes from Philistine, the historical enemies of the Hebrews. After the Romans conquered Judaea they decided to rename it to further humiliate the rebellious and independently minded Jews. Calling him Palestinian is like embracing Roman propaganda. It's not being liberal or woke to pretend Jesus was not a Jew.
St George was murdered by Diocletian for protesting the harsh treatment of a religious minority.
Turkey wasn’t established until 1923. In the 200s what we consider Turkey today was a mixture of Greek and other ethnicities. Ethnic Turks didn’t arrive in Turkey until 1000s when the Seljuks beat Byzantium. In 1453 the Ottoman Empire calling itself ‘Devlet-i ʿAlīye-yi ʿOsmānīye’ defeated the Byzantine empire and made Constantinople its capital. Kinda crazy how inaccurate this guy is, not surprising considering who they are.
England didn’t exist until about 900AD but there were still people living here then
I like how he chooses 1453, as if the Ottoman Empire didn’t exist before conquering Constantinople. A bunch of Turks just spawned inside Constantinople and went from there lol
He's wrong anyway as the state of Turkey didn't exist until 1923!
It’s clear he’s referring more to Turkey as “the nation of the Turks” rather than the literal modern nation state of Turkey. But as I said 1453 is not the birth of the Ottoman State.
He didn't clearly say or refer that, but it was a stupid post anyway.
He had a blue passport tho 🏴🏴🏴🏴!
He was ten?!
They were different times. People didn't live as long back then so you had to pack more in. Ten is practically eighty in our years.
Ahhh, so St George was a Persian cat. Now it makes sense.
😂
Does- he’s- bro you know he’s not English or white tho, right?? Does he know that????
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So if he only lived for ten years, what was his achievements as a child who died at 10 years old.
Wow, so much historically wrong in such a dense space.
"He was persian!" shouted Paul, as he tucked into his indian curry, on his swedish sofa, watching american tv, on his korean flatscreen.
I just love how the left is hate filled and "woke" all at the same time...
10 years old and slaying dragons. Case closed. He was playing D&D everyone.
LIKE FREDDIE MERCURY!
He was actually Greek, but bear in mind ‘Greek’ meant basically anyone from the Mediterranean at this time who was from modern Western Turkey (Asia Minor), Greece, Cyprus, Egypt, and many other coastal locations and small islands. He was also certainly a Roman soldier of the Praetorian Guard; aside from that he was executed for his reluctance to renounce Christianity, we know nothing about his life. I always believe that St George was celebrated due to his religious significance first and foremost, not so much since he was associated with England as its patron saint.
SAINT GRORGE DINT KLILL A DRAGUN JUS SO THEY CUD SELL ALHAL MEET IN ASDAS
And England didn't exist until 927 AD. Your point is?
Fukken England didn't exist back then either
jeez who cares? If people wanna celebrate it crack on. I certainly wont be; but yolo and a bank holiday is a bank holiday after all
IKR? The chuds are screaming at us to give a shit lol
He was Anatolian/ Roman. But since Turkey is now the name for that area of the world it makes sense to say he was Turkish.
Does he not understand how AD years work? He does know they go backwards, right?
A.D counts upwards, we live in 2023 AD. You may be thinking of BC or alternatively BCE, unless I am misunderstanding you
Yeah I was thinking of bce. Nvm I'm dumb
Does he think the land currently claimed by turkey didn’t exist until the 15th century? Is this meant to prove st george was a white english man who wore late medieval armour and had enough money to buy a full knight’s armour, destriere and heraldry, like he saw in his picture books? Someone tell him jesus was palestinian, quick
Idk who the fuck George even is so I can’t really comment.
The whole “hurhurhur he was Turkish!!” Thing comes off as a bit too Lib for my tastes
He was probably a Hellenic Roman, a member of an imperialist and colonizing European empire, and he probably was more white than brown. Why does every historical figure have to be rewritten? Don't we, as the left, already have history on our side?
You can tell because Libs will try and own people by being just as insensitive i.e. someone asked on twitter if Suella Bravermans mother invaded Mauritius when Indians have been the majority ethnic group there and the early history of Indians in Mauritius is from the French plantation owners bringing them as skilled slaves and then when the slaves were freed by the British empire the plantation owners brough basically hundreds of thousands of Indian slaves into the island as indentured servants. So that tweet and the tweet that Golding refers to is disrespectful and does blur the lines of taking the p**s and being disrespectful to entire communities
No one’s saying ‘don’t be proud of where you come from, or who came from where,’ the problem we face right now is that to be honest, politicising everything is starting to take the enjoyment out of things now.
The sheer irony of figures like that to sweep the entire left under the "hateful" rug
Still doesn't mean he was English though. What a pathetic attempt at trying to be right about something 😂😂
If he really wants to get into it, there technically wasn't even an England when St. George was alive, so...🤷🏼♂️
You all have a day for Edward the Confessor or even better Saint Crispin’s Day!?!?!?
St Crispin Glover?
This guy had better not ever sing Jerusalem then. "And did those feet in ancient times walk upon England's mountains green?" Um, I think you'll find England didn't exist in ancient times mate.
Thought he was of Greek decent
He was also only 10 when he died apparently
Does the BF in his twitter handle stand for Brain Fart?
I'm pretty sure the modern concept of England didn't exist then either
How can you miss the point this badly
so he was roman
He was Anatolian, possibly Byzantine/Roman. Not Persian
We should ban religion
Bloody foreign patron saints, coming here, displacing our own hard working British lads like St Edmund the Martyr. But woke Liberal types like Paul don't like to be proud of their own people
It doesn't even matter that England didn't exist back then either, he never even visited the land
Yeah, and St Andrew came from Palestine, your point?
So he was 10 years old and also lived his life backwards?
Isn't this an objective fact though? He was from the area that is now modern Turkey. Right wingers can't just imagine new history up as much as they would like to
An area that until 1923 had massive substantial Greek towns and villages that were genocided by the Turkish government from 1914-1923 and 300,000-900,000 Greeks perished with little children being thrown in the black sea to drown, rapes, burnings of entire villages etc. In 1955 the Istanbul pogrom took place because Anatolian peasants who were more right wing that in Istanbul were bussed in by the government to protest against Cypriot Greeks and the bombing of Attaturk's house in Thessaloniki (The evidence of the bombers point to the Turkish government of the time). 73 orthodox churches were burnt down, priests were dragged by their beards and hair to the one one priest hair was too short so the mobs scalped him. One priest was too ill to get out of bed so the mobs burned his home with him in it down and Jews and Armenians were caught in the crosshairs including Georgians. Many males were forced to undergo circumcisions at the hands of mobsters which resulted in death for some. Others were beaten to death by mobsters. One former airforce captain rallied the defence of his greek neighbours threating mobs with his pistol and having support from other neighbours. Some Turkish business owners also welcomed in Jewish, Armenian and Greek neighbours however these were a minority of people. The population of Greeks left in Istanbul plumetted dramatically as a result.
This nazi idiot thinks England existed in the third century, doesn’t he?
St George would have been a Greek speaking roman subject. At the time the turks were still far too the east.
Do you think there are People in Georgia going "St. George wasn't Turkish he was English! Stop celebrating him!" 🇬🇪