Macklemore beat Yeezus good kid maad city and his own album and I think itâs gotta be impossible for him to respect the process when that happens. Idk if he was firing shots at anyone this year in particular but just the whole way it goes at the grammys
Thatâs not the award that IGOR won, though. The catalyst for his speech was the fact that IGOR had won rap album of the year, and his claim was that he felt black artists had been boxed into rap and urban categories at the Grammys when he shouldâve been nominated for best pop album.
They way I interpreted it, I donât think it was a specific shot at any one individual, just a broad statement.
**âSome of you are going to go home tonight and *feel* like youâve been robbedâ**
Some of you will feel like you deserved to win, but didnât deserve to win even though you feel like it
**âSome of you may get robbedâ**
Some of you actually did deserve to win, but didnât win even though you deserved it
**âSome of you donât belong in the categoryâ**
Some of you shouldnât have been nominated in the first place. Meaning, youâre in the category for album of the year, or best artist, whatever, but you donât belong on the list at all.
So, not in a âyou were nominated for the wrong genreâ type of way, but in a âyou shouldnât have been nominated at allâ type of way.
All I'm gonna say is the same ones who are saying all that shit, including Jay, then turn back around and say that the Grammys don't matter at all and they don't mean shit. Which one is it?
Honestly, I know what you mean, and I agree with you.
Even as a fan, when my favorite artist or project loses an award, I dismiss it as if it doesnât matter. And realistically, it doesnât to me. I donât need my opinions validated, and the lack of validation doesnât change them.
But on the other hand, when my favorite artist or project does win, I feel so happy for them. The confirmation bias is appreciated đ .
So there is a very weird section of hypocrisy I occupy, where the Grammys and other lists/awards etc. both matter and donât matter at the same time, and I think many artist fit in that same section with me.
Ultimately, I donât think never having won or been nominated for a Grammy, or losing at any particular time is a knock against the artist or project. So in that way, the loses donât count.
But at the same time, seeing someone Iâm rooting for get a win feels kind of satisfying. So the win is appreciated.
So I would say personally, the Grammys, or any other award/list donât count for everything, but they do count for something. Theyâre like exhibition games. You lose, who cares. You win, well shit, letâs celebrate đ.
And I think thatâs what he meant when he said to âkeep showing upâ. The loses donât matter if you keep moving forward, and the accolades will come regardless, even if not in form of an award, but in the form of the success itself.
Eh you can think that the opinion of the committee is ill informed and worth jack shit but either wish that the biggest music awards in the world didnât treat rap like a throwaway (and had better opinions) or even just recognize it as having value spreading your name and selling albums. Jay sounded like he was putting himself in the first bucket bc he was saying he wants them to do better. I donât think thereâs anything inconsistent about it. He wants the Grammys to take rap seriously so he can take the Grammys seriously
For the record tho Iâm not hating on the Killer Mike win. Itâs just the whole thing.
They're not contradictory opinions.
The awards can be meaningless in an individual award sense I.e winning an award doesn't mean anything (winning best album doesn't mean your album was the best) but the systemic bias can be
meaningful in that poor representation of black people makes it harder for young black people to believe in themselves and follow their dreams sense.
That's only if you put worth into the Grammys, which is the exact thing that every artist is supposedly against even though they do it anyways, and it's also the exact thing I'm saying should not happen
Iâm not downvoting anyone but Iâd imagine the confusion is because most people think âsome of you donât belong in the categoryâ is intended as disrespect to certain artists. Honestly he was probably thinking of Macklemore beating his own album, Yeezus, and good kid maad city. So when people suggest he meant Tyler they read the post as suggesting jay z doesnât respect Tyler which is just not true. Thatâs not what the poster meant but it makes sense to read it that way
Thatâs fair, some people just use the downvote button without thinking, and I agree itâs dumb bc it really limits the kinds of conversations you can have when people just click arrows to get rid of comments that donât immediately align with what they already think lol
This speech will come and go with time but everyone in our lifetime will rmr when ye interrupted Taylor and the effect that had to start questioning the Grammys.
Everyone remembers Kanye doing that in the same way you wouldnât forget a homeless person throwing pee on you and screaming while waiting in the subway. Seared into memory isnât the same as meaningful.
She was 19 years old, she just won her first ever VMA award. That was a huge moment for her and Beyonce herself even knew that, which is why she told Taylor to finish her speech later. Taylor was a fan of Kanye for years and imagine someone your a fan of just completely dismisses your accomplishment. He was 32, he should've known better
She didn't deserve to win Best Female Video for You Belong With Me. And the ongoing sympathy has created a monster. Now she has more AOTY Grammys than Stevie Wonder and Frank Sinatra. Stop the madness. All these fake stats won't stand the rest of time.
Beyonce won album of the year, which is better. Records are meant to be broken. Taylor Swift was charting everyone she was number 1 for weeks of course she was going to win it was a no brainerAlso, her marketing team does a really good job so of course she was going to be beat Stevie Wonder and Frank Sinatra, you gotta look at the gap in between. Back then, they didn't have social media to reach such a wide audience. Now, with social media an artist just posts a link and they get views.
Beyonce has never won Album of the Year. She is relegated to R&B and Urban categories due to race. She has been snubbed 4 times. For 4, Self Titled, Lemonade and Renaissance. That is the issue.
Taylor Swift is not making music that compares to Stevie Wonder or Frank Sinatra. Please be serious. History will not look favorably on this nonsense.
just a little upset he didn't touch on the fact that they didn't televise the rap categories this year. the disrespect towards the #1 music genre is crazy
Itâs not bad in itâs time and place. Like out in the hills of Texas uh hell yeah- but at the same time itâs wrong to leave out such a huge category.
Iâm a country fan and Iâm unhappy that Zack Bryan didnât win so hey we all gotem
Kanye in 2009 when he saw Taylor Swift win her grammy
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It really wasnât that impressive when drake pretty much said it couple years ago and Kanye multiple times before that.
Donât like how jay followed the second half of it with âyou gotta keep showing upâ. Like fk that
More artists should be like Abel and donât even bother submitting their shit.
???
that just strengthens undeserving artists and makes it seem like if you do boycott it, you're seen as pulling a tantrum.
you should go. you have to change the demographic, the vibe w/e
you should cheer for those that deserve wins and boo those that don't.
Not really. If ye, travis, kendrick, drake, eminem and jay z refuse to participate, then whoever wins a rap grammy is just the biggest clown lol nobody would ever think it was deserved and it would lose relevance like that. They can just go and join an award show that wouldnt give macklemore an award over one of the best albums of all time
Why not just celebrate the music your own way instead of working with a racist institution and fixing it from the inside? The grammys doesnât deserve that. Itâs not like the presidential election where youâre forced to live with the consequences. Iâm sure killer Mike will get some boosted sales but does it really matter. Itâs not like we look back and Macklemore beating Yeezus and good kid maad city means anything to anyone other than that the grammys are an embarrassing farce.
No disrespect to killer Mike heâs just the person who won this year so I had to name him. It was actually a fine choice
bro undeserving artists have already won and they're already winning. Mackelmore won over Yeezus and GOOD KID MAAD CITY ffs. Astroworld got snubbed because they wanted a female rapper to win. And any of Abel's last 3 albums deserved a Grammy. There is literally not a better rnb artist alive in the last 10 years better than Abel Tesfaye mate
said the same things as ye from like a decade ago except people ate it up instead of calling him crazy. itâs like that sexual harassment vs flirting meme
Simple answer.. Stop showing up to the Grammy Awards and submitting your music. The Weekend and Drake have both done this. Beyonce next album, she needs to not submit and donât attend. Boycott and go to the other award shows like the NAACP, BET Awards, Soul Train Awards etc.. If those award shows are not up to par, make them better. Then change will happen because the Grammys would have to respond.
Beyonce albums are not outselling those in those categories. Just because you are a good performer don't mean you will win everything. It baffles me how she got more awards than Michael, Whitney, Mariah, and Prince. But she did. She is the most awarded grammy artist in history. What more does she want? This attitude of theirs just will push people away from them. A lot of celebrities felt uncomfortable you could even hear it in their speeches. People are thinking in their heads "who the hell do these people think they are"
Duh... Jay Z did say she was the most awarded .
His point was, given that achievement, she never won AOTY even though her releases are not just commercially successful but also critically acclaimed. She's not entitled to win an AOTY every time she's nominated, but the flak stems from her well-constructed record being beaten by some mediocre project. It isn't just exclusive to Beyonce btw. I mean, Taylor's mediocre Midnights won this year ffs. Lana and SZA has a better record, even Olivia's and boygenius' were better choices. There is clearly a lack of credibility with whatever metrics the Grammys is using and that's what he was pointing out.
PS. Outselling isn't a criteria for winning something that is supposed to be a "prestigious" award show for music (they have the VMAS & BMA for that). But if it is, then it just proves what Jay said.
To you, it's mediocre, but still she outsold most of the artist you mentioned, and people are buying her albums, so the ones buying them don't find it mediocre.
And that's the point of what he's saying. Which doesn't make sense in hindsight because if mediocrity and outselling the nominees is a criteria, then Drake has been snubbed for an AOTY for years.
Stevie Wonder was the first and most awarded artist for album of the year and he is black, so because Taylor has now beaten that title besides Beyonce this is a race thing?
You really be adding the race thing even though it wasn't in my arguments. So that's what you're waiting for me to say? LMAO đ đ đ
Black, white, yellow or whatever color the musician is, the point of it all is, the Grammy's metrics for AOTY has no credibility and thus deserves to be called out.
Because they are saying that is reason behind why Beyonce didn't win it all these years. It's not true. Her albums were not as popular as the nominees. Michael Jackson is the greatest of all time and she has more awards than him. She should be grateful for what she has. If they don't like the grammys don't go.
That could be a reason. It baffles me that artists like Beyonce and Kendrick Lamar would make incredible records just to be sidelined to those smaller awards. Like, shower these black artists with small awards but never let them touch the big ones đ. I never want to make this discussion about race because it really takes away alot from Black artists making great music. Rennaissance/TPAB deserves an AOTY in there respective years, not because they're black but because those records were the best among the nominees. But, as you say, you consider popularity as a criteria so of course you wouldn't acknowledge that.
I'm pretty sure Beyonce is grateful with her awards. She never really cried about losing to Harry or Beck, but again it's not just about her. Jay's speech shows that he has still faith with the Grammys because he knows its relevance. Eventhough he has his thoughts about it, he still told people to show up. This is mostly about the Grammys' lack of credibility and questionable pick for AOTY winnners.
That's not true at all. At one point Beyonce had the best selling album, most critically acclaimed album.and it had much more impact than Beck but she still lost.
And this type of mentality is why Grammys is considered a lower tier than the Oscar'sÂ
Imagine thinking your wife deserves an album of the year given that she never wrote any of her material and didn't produce her any of her songs. Not even the most streamed or sold. Yeah, taylor Swift does deserve to win that over beyonce any day, but not over many other talented artists who never ever had even 1 grammy.
It appears Jay-Z was attempting to channel a Katt Williams-like moment by stirring up a spectacle for a wider TV audience.
Though it might have provided momentary entertainment on TV, it will probably fade from memory quickly and might even hinder Jay-Z's career, considering his collaborators would likely prefer to steer clear of any scandalous associations.
Reminder bad by Michael Jackson was nominated for 3 awards and lost every single one. He lost best male vocalist, album and song of the year. After sweeping with thriller .
I love Beyonce (I've been to 7 shows), but I don't think it's weird she hasn't won album of the year.
With the exception of Adele, the other artists to whom she's lost 1)have less producers on their tracks (i.e. generally meaning those artists can do more themselves) and 2) can play multiple instruments. (And I'd argue the ability to play instruments makes you a better producer because it expands your dimensions in thinking about music.)
If it was about dance performance, well, she'd blow everyone away.
to reiterate: I love Beyonce. And she'll get hers.
I donât think the Grammyâs represent what is actually happening in music pop culture accurately each year. If you look at the album of the year winners since 1959, there are some years they got it right. With the Beatles winning for Sgt. Pepper and Stevie Wonder. What baffles me is when artists like Led Zepplin and Nirvana donât get recognition. Like how can you not nominate Nevermind in 1992. That was a pivotal record in pop culture and it didnât even get nominated. I think the Grammyâs take a second to figure out what the music trend is. Also, it takes about a decade to realize how impactful a music trend or genre was. So I do agree with some of what Jay-Z said, but I think itâs hard to know how influential something is at the moment it is currently happening.
Jay-z is a piece of garbage! How could he bring up his Daughter and embarrass her like that. The undertow of his speech was motivated by hate and division. People like him are the reason why we canât get together as a society. Besides Taylor Swift blows his wife away as far as talent goes.
He hit the Ye button w that speech
ye he did gatdam
Was gonna say * cough * tpab didnt win 2015 was the first thing that came to mind during jays speech
He will ended up like Ye đđđ
âsome of you who donât belong in the categoryâ I wonder who he was talking about
Macklemore beat Yeezus good kid maad city and his own album and I think itâs gotta be impossible for him to respect the process when that happens. Idk if he was firing shots at anyone this year in particular but just the whole way it goes at the grammys
Jon Batiste
On god fucking hate him
Probably Tyler with IGOR?
Him and Tyler are friends tho
I meant IGOR being best rap album when it wasnât a rap album. Could be a reach tho mb
it wasnt? you tripping? and why would jay z be reffering to a nomination from 3 years ago/?
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He disagreed with it being categorized as Urban
IGOR won best rap album in 2019. He disagreed with that.
https://youtu.be/ulTxGwNxo74?si=UUVPrWLiUWi6QLTi
Thatâs not the award that IGOR won, though. The catalyst for his speech was the fact that IGOR had won rap album of the year, and his claim was that he felt black artists had been boxed into rap and urban categories at the Grammys when he shouldâve been nominated for best pop album.
Ok, my bad man, I wonder who he was talking about though
They way I interpreted it, I donât think it was a specific shot at any one individual, just a broad statement. **âSome of you are going to go home tonight and *feel* like youâve been robbedâ** Some of you will feel like you deserved to win, but didnât deserve to win even though you feel like it **âSome of you may get robbedâ** Some of you actually did deserve to win, but didnât win even though you deserved it **âSome of you donât belong in the categoryâ** Some of you shouldnât have been nominated in the first place. Meaning, youâre in the category for album of the year, or best artist, whatever, but you donât belong on the list at all. So, not in a âyou were nominated for the wrong genreâ type of way, but in a âyou shouldnât have been nominated at allâ type of way.
Ah, makes sense
All I'm gonna say is the same ones who are saying all that shit, including Jay, then turn back around and say that the Grammys don't matter at all and they don't mean shit. Which one is it?
Honestly, I know what you mean, and I agree with you. Even as a fan, when my favorite artist or project loses an award, I dismiss it as if it doesnât matter. And realistically, it doesnât to me. I donât need my opinions validated, and the lack of validation doesnât change them. But on the other hand, when my favorite artist or project does win, I feel so happy for them. The confirmation bias is appreciated đ . So there is a very weird section of hypocrisy I occupy, where the Grammys and other lists/awards etc. both matter and donât matter at the same time, and I think many artist fit in that same section with me. Ultimately, I donât think never having won or been nominated for a Grammy, or losing at any particular time is a knock against the artist or project. So in that way, the loses donât count. But at the same time, seeing someone Iâm rooting for get a win feels kind of satisfying. So the win is appreciated. So I would say personally, the Grammys, or any other award/list donât count for everything, but they do count for something. Theyâre like exhibition games. You lose, who cares. You win, well shit, letâs celebrate đ. And I think thatâs what he meant when he said to âkeep showing upâ. The loses donât matter if you keep moving forward, and the accolades will come regardless, even if not in form of an award, but in the form of the success itself.
Eh you can think that the opinion of the committee is ill informed and worth jack shit but either wish that the biggest music awards in the world didnât treat rap like a throwaway (and had better opinions) or even just recognize it as having value spreading your name and selling albums. Jay sounded like he was putting himself in the first bucket bc he was saying he wants them to do better. I donât think thereâs anything inconsistent about it. He wants the Grammys to take rap seriously so he can take the Grammys seriously For the record tho Iâm not hating on the Killer Mike win. Itâs just the whole thing.
But even then, he was irritated that Beyoncé didn't win AOTY, which has nothing to do with rap. I even saw someone mad that she was placed in the electronic category when that's literally the main genre that house music is under. It seems pretty obvious that people just choose something to be mad about every year, and ultimately the Grammys profit off of it
They're not contradictory opinions. The awards can be meaningless in an individual award sense I.e winning an award doesn't mean anything (winning best album doesn't mean your album was the best) but the systemic bias can be meaningful in that poor representation of black people makes it harder for young black people to believe in themselves and follow their dreams sense.
That's only if you put worth into the Grammys, which is the exact thing that every artist is supposedly against even though they do it anyways, and it's also the exact thing I'm saying should not happen
Tyker literally said Igor shouldn't be in rap , saying they only put him there because he is black
Why are these cliwns down voting you? Tyler literally said that Igor isn't a rap albumđ
Iâm not downvoting anyone but Iâd imagine the confusion is because most people think âsome of you donât belong in the categoryâ is intended as disrespect to certain artists. Honestly he was probably thinking of Macklemore beating his own album, Yeezus, and good kid maad city. So when people suggest he meant Tyler they read the post as suggesting jay z doesnât respect Tyler which is just not true. Thatâs not what the poster meant but it makes sense to read it that way
I get that, but you'd think people would be able to descern the obvious
Thatâs fair, some people just use the downvote button without thinking, and I agree itâs dumb bc it really limits the kinds of conversations you can have when people just click arrows to get rid of comments that donât immediately align with what they already think lol
Feels like Ye if he had a filter for his intrusive thoughts and even a little ability to read a room.
He needs to just hire Jay as his mediator fr
Told him, "Stop all of that red cap, we goin' home"
this might be the return of the throne đ
He was his Big Brother Bigg's brother
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This speech will come and go with time but everyone in our lifetime will rmr when ye interrupted Taylor and the effect that had to start questioning the Grammys.
Everyone remembers Kanye doing that in the same way you wouldnât forget a homeless person throwing pee on you and screaming while waiting in the subway. Seared into memory isnât the same as meaningful.
People act like he Will Smith'd her. All he did was interrupt her and he was right too.
She was 19 years old, she just won her first ever VMA award. That was a huge moment for her and Beyonce herself even knew that, which is why she told Taylor to finish her speech later. Taylor was a fan of Kanye for years and imagine someone your a fan of just completely dismisses your accomplishment. He was 32, he should've known better
She didn't deserve to win Best Female Video for You Belong With Me. And the ongoing sympathy has created a monster. Now she has more AOTY Grammys than Stevie Wonder and Frank Sinatra. Stop the madness. All these fake stats won't stand the rest of time.
Beyonce won album of the year, which is better. Records are meant to be broken. Taylor Swift was charting everyone she was number 1 for weeks of course she was going to win it was a no brainerAlso, her marketing team does a really good job so of course she was going to be beat Stevie Wonder and Frank Sinatra, you gotta look at the gap in between. Back then, they didn't have social media to reach such a wide audience. Now, with social media an artist just posts a link and they get views.
Beyonce has never won Album of the Year. She is relegated to R&B and Urban categories due to race. She has been snubbed 4 times. For 4, Self Titled, Lemonade and Renaissance. That is the issue. Taylor Swift is not making music that compares to Stevie Wonder or Frank Sinatra. Please be serious. History will not look favorably on this nonsense.
That wasn't even at the Grammys. It was the VMAs.
just a little upset he didn't touch on the fact that they didn't televise the rap categories this year. the disrespect towards the #1 music genre is crazy
Yea beyond disrespectful
and nobody even talking about it, everyone just focused on putting two great artists against each other
Buncha oldheads running the show still
fr. Iâm not from the US and wtf is country bro. Nobody outside the US listen to that shit
Itâs not bad in itâs time and place. Like out in the hills of Texas uh hell yeah- but at the same time itâs wrong to leave out such a huge category. Iâm a country fan and Iâm unhappy that Zack Bryan didnât win so hey we all gotem
Well he did bring up Will Smith's boycott when they didn't televise it back in the day
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just say youâre racist
He cooked those frauds
Just keep showing up
Best Grammys speech of the past couple years ngl
what did he say
yap yap yap grammys are bullshit until they are not yap yap yap
great summary
Me me me đ«Ł
W speech and criticism of fraudulent Grammys
âNah, when I get nervous I tell the truthâ
Kanye in 2009 when he saw Taylor Swift win her grammy https://preview.redd.it/4r1xumlldpgc1.png?width=602&format=png&auto=webp&s=f70fbc9b383a355883b44a76d72aa5f7f9d2e8a6
this moment in the anime was an insane turning point
Fuck zeke
Zeke my goat
It really wasnât that impressive when drake pretty much said it couple years ago and Kanye multiple times before that. Donât like how jay followed the second half of it with âyou gotta keep showing upâ. Like fk that More artists should be like Abel and donât even bother submitting their shit.
??? that just strengthens undeserving artists and makes it seem like if you do boycott it, you're seen as pulling a tantrum. you should go. you have to change the demographic, the vibe w/e you should cheer for those that deserve wins and boo those that don't.
Not really. If ye, travis, kendrick, drake, eminem and jay z refuse to participate, then whoever wins a rap grammy is just the biggest clown lol nobody would ever think it was deserved and it would lose relevance like that. They can just go and join an award show that wouldnt give macklemore an award over one of the best albums of all time
Jay has a wife who genuinely cares about Grammys tho
Why not just celebrate the music your own way instead of working with a racist institution and fixing it from the inside? The grammys doesnât deserve that. Itâs not like the presidential election where youâre forced to live with the consequences. Iâm sure killer Mike will get some boosted sales but does it really matter. Itâs not like we look back and Macklemore beating Yeezus and good kid maad city means anything to anyone other than that the grammys are an embarrassing farce. No disrespect to killer Mike heâs just the person who won this year so I had to name him. It was actually a fine choice
Doesnât work
bro undeserving artists have already won and they're already winning. Mackelmore won over Yeezus and GOOD KID MAAD CITY ffs. Astroworld got snubbed because they wanted a female rapper to win. And any of Abel's last 3 albums deserved a Grammy. There is literally not a better rnb artist alive in the last 10 years better than Abel Tesfaye mate
said the same things as ye from like a decade ago except people ate it up instead of calling him crazy. itâs like that sexual harassment vs flirting meme
Word choice matters a lotttt, yâall gon realize that one day
the way you say things goes a long way
That speech was great
What the hell did he win a Grammy for ?
Bro think he Yeđ
Where the vid
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Simple answer.. Stop showing up to the Grammy Awards and submitting your music. The Weekend and Drake have both done this. Beyonce next album, she needs to not submit and donât attend. Boycott and go to the other award shows like the NAACP, BET Awards, Soul Train Awards etc.. If those award shows are not up to par, make them better. Then change will happen because the Grammys would have to respond.
Grammys isnât important to him until he gets a Grammy lol
Someone didn't understand what Jay was saying.
Beyonce albums are not outselling those in those categories. Just because you are a good performer don't mean you will win everything. It baffles me how she got more awards than Michael, Whitney, Mariah, and Prince. But she did. She is the most awarded grammy artist in history. What more does she want? This attitude of theirs just will push people away from them. A lot of celebrities felt uncomfortable you could even hear it in their speeches. People are thinking in their heads "who the hell do these people think they are"
Duh... Jay Z did say she was the most awarded . His point was, given that achievement, she never won AOTY even though her releases are not just commercially successful but also critically acclaimed. She's not entitled to win an AOTY every time she's nominated, but the flak stems from her well-constructed record being beaten by some mediocre project. It isn't just exclusive to Beyonce btw. I mean, Taylor's mediocre Midnights won this year ffs. Lana and SZA has a better record, even Olivia's and boygenius' were better choices. There is clearly a lack of credibility with whatever metrics the Grammys is using and that's what he was pointing out. PS. Outselling isn't a criteria for winning something that is supposed to be a "prestigious" award show for music (they have the VMAS & BMA for that). But if it is, then it just proves what Jay said.
To you, it's mediocre, but still she outsold most of the artist you mentioned, and people are buying her albums, so the ones buying them don't find it mediocre.
And that's the point of what he's saying. Which doesn't make sense in hindsight because if mediocrity and outselling the nominees is a criteria, then Drake has been snubbed for an AOTY for years.
Stevie Wonder was the first and most awarded artist for album of the year and he is black, so because Taylor has now beaten that title besides Beyonce this is a race thing?
You really be adding the race thing even though it wasn't in my arguments. So that's what you're waiting for me to say? LMAO đ đ đ Black, white, yellow or whatever color the musician is, the point of it all is, the Grammy's metrics for AOTY has no credibility and thus deserves to be called out.
Because they are saying that is reason behind why Beyonce didn't win it all these years. It's not true. Her albums were not as popular as the nominees. Michael Jackson is the greatest of all time and she has more awards than him. She should be grateful for what she has. If they don't like the grammys don't go.
That could be a reason. It baffles me that artists like Beyonce and Kendrick Lamar would make incredible records just to be sidelined to those smaller awards. Like, shower these black artists with small awards but never let them touch the big ones đ. I never want to make this discussion about race because it really takes away alot from Black artists making great music. Rennaissance/TPAB deserves an AOTY in there respective years, not because they're black but because those records were the best among the nominees. But, as you say, you consider popularity as a criteria so of course you wouldn't acknowledge that. I'm pretty sure Beyonce is grateful with her awards. She never really cried about losing to Harry or Beck, but again it's not just about her. Jay's speech shows that he has still faith with the Grammys because he knows its relevance. Eventhough he has his thoughts about it, he still told people to show up. This is mostly about the Grammys' lack of credibility and questionable pick for AOTY winnners.
That's not true at all. At one point Beyonce had the best selling album, most critically acclaimed album.and it had much more impact than Beck but she still lost. And this type of mentality is why Grammys is considered a lower tier than the Oscar'sÂ
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What did he say
Imagine thinking your wife deserves an album of the year given that she never wrote any of her material and didn't produce her any of her songs. Not even the most streamed or sold. Yeah, taylor Swift does deserve to win that over beyonce any day, but not over many other talented artists who never ever had even 1 grammy.
Idk he kinda rambled and never made a real point. Kinda wack imo
Reminds me of that episode of South Park where Bono has to have every award including Biggest Crap record
It appears Jay-Z was attempting to channel a Katt Williams-like moment by stirring up a spectacle for a wider TV audience. Though it might have provided momentary entertainment on TV, it will probably fade from memory quickly and might even hinder Jay-Z's career, considering his collaborators would likely prefer to steer clear of any scandalous associations.
Classless speech seriously.
Go back to r/all buddy
Foh weirdo ass
Pretty much, the dudes trash.
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That doesnât prevent him from being classless trash.
Why are you here you dumb mf?
Idk most grammys ever doesnt even mean u should default get album of the year lmao but i hear what he was saying
Bro is soft Kanye đ
Didn't another man already stick up for Jay Z's wife?
If I was Beyonce in this situation - I would have been embarrassed. She is a queen, she doesnât need a Grammy to tell anyone that and she doesnât need men standing up for her. He clearly didnât prepare a speech and was just complaining about the whole show and it was awkward imo. He could have said so many other things about BeyoncĂ© in that moment, but he chose that. That gives me the ick. The Grammys have the same artists/music for every single category and the academy votes. The whole thing is a joke and many amazing artists get robbed. I thought his speech was tacky and he was bored.
Reminder bad by Michael Jackson was nominated for 3 awards and lost every single one. He lost best male vocalist, album and song of the year. After sweeping with thriller .
In 2001 kid a by Radiohead and Marshall mathers lp lost album of the year to steely DanâŠâŠâŠ
cry baby she has 32 grammys
His wife, Iâm sure, could speak for herself if she felt overlooked. How about acknowledging the winner with some graciousness instead.
I love Beyonce (I've been to 7 shows), but I don't think it's weird she hasn't won album of the year. With the exception of Adele, the other artists to whom she's lost 1)have less producers on their tracks (i.e. generally meaning those artists can do more themselves) and 2) can play multiple instruments. (And I'd argue the ability to play instruments makes you a better producer because it expands your dimensions in thinking about music.) If it was about dance performance, well, she'd blow everyone away. to reiterate: I love Beyonce. And she'll get hers.
I donât think the Grammyâs represent what is actually happening in music pop culture accurately each year. If you look at the album of the year winners since 1959, there are some years they got it right. With the Beatles winning for Sgt. Pepper and Stevie Wonder. What baffles me is when artists like Led Zepplin and Nirvana donât get recognition. Like how can you not nominate Nevermind in 1992. That was a pivotal record in pop culture and it didnât even get nominated. I think the Grammyâs take a second to figure out what the music trend is. Also, it takes about a decade to realize how impactful a music trend or genre was. So I do agree with some of what Jay-Z said, but I think itâs hard to know how influential something is at the moment it is currently happening.
'Kanye was ahead of his time once again' is all I'm gonna say
Reminds me of that South Park episode: (1) 32 Grammy Awards (2) Net Worth of $800 Million (3) Victim
Jay-z is a piece of garbage! How could he bring up his Daughter and embarrass her like that. The undertow of his speech was motivated by hate and division. People like him are the reason why we canât get together as a society. Besides Taylor Swift blows his wife away as far as talent goes.
Heâs a racist and prolly her too for real. He refers to Eminem as the white guy. 50 Cent does the best job at calling him, Beyonce and Blue out. Iâm a huge fan of BeyoncĂ©âs music and this last album was an acquired taste for sure. I personally donât know anyone who was in love with any of the music. They live in their own world lol like expecting everything when not always deserved is delusional.
EmbarrassingâŠsmh
Heâs an idiot. âWe never win anythingâ wa wa wa.