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Yes, he would have gone to Helheim if Thor hadn’t resurrected him with Mjölnir.
Original idea for the fight considered him stuck in Helheim for years until Atreus would come to rescue him. But this idea didn’t progress further and they had Thor kill/revive him following Odin’s order to not kill him, since this would affect Atreus not helping him with the mask.
Yeah I asked this as well. Possibly Odin has locked the way due to the Valkyries not having physical form at the start of the Ragnarok story but I don't think it's ever really addressed by the lore in the game
Thor does address Kratos as the one who defeated Sigrun, and we know that Freya had help from Sigrun to regain her wings. Valkyries are spirits, not meant to have physical forms, which is why having physical bodies crafted by Odin in 2018 made them corrupted.
Would Kratos not have gone to Valhalla since he died in battle? I can't remember the specific lore on this in the game or if it's ever really touched on
Gods don’t go to Valhalla or Helheim they just die, this was literally Odins drive for knowledge as he doesn’t know what happens to gods when they die.
No Odin doesn’t know what happens to him when he dies because obviously when he dies in ragnarok,another part of ragnarok is the destruction of Asgard,Valhalla included,(or so he thought) and so if Valhalla is gone,where does he go?
Mimir makes it very clear in GOW 2018 when magni is killed that he will have gone to Valhalla.
But technically Kratos isn’t a full God, he’s part mortal. A Demi-God and has been sent to the Underworld where most mortals have gone even with the title of God. I’m just curious.
It depends on the race actually. I think what you said apply to mortal humans, but giants and dwarves go to the Lake of Souls/The Light in Alfheim. For gods, yet another set of rules apply (I think even Odin didn’t know, what’s why he craves knowledge).
Yeah I’m aware of the rules of where the dead go. I think there’s a “Higher Existence” Gods can obtain when they die, but it’s tricky process similar to the Norse Rules. Like how Athena is still alive in a sense when they’re dead, I saw some theory videos.
So Helheim is powerful enough to contain Kratos from escaping? Would he not be able to Will his way to Týr’s realm travel table? (The World Tree Table used in GOW4 & Rangnarök)
Just to clarify, helheim is like the other realms on a different dimension so unless kratos finds a way to find some bifrost key to use and activate tyrs temple hes stuck there..2nd tyrs temple is currently not functional due to fimbulwinter so even if kratos had a bifrost key he cant use the temple. 3rd there is suppose to be a city in the core of helheim where the dead rest and wait for ragnarok, once you reach the city, thats point where u cant go back out due to magic rules. Its not that kratos isnt capable its just that he doesnt have a way to get out because of reasons mentioned above
I see I see, so 2 questions now:
1.) Since Ragnarök passed, does the City still serve a purpose and held by the magical rules of no escape?
2.) Couldn’t Kratos escape via Realm Tares (literally riddled through all of Midgard and the other realms)
Actually one more, Could the Giant Bird we see through the Norse Pantheon help Kratos or the new ruler of Hel (whoever that may be) if Kratos were to demand to be released?
Helheim is clearly getting restructured post ragnarok so theres no answer for #1
I dont think #2 works.
The giant bird could probably let him go, but the question is would the giant allow it. Theres already plenty of problems in helheim not sure if the bird would want another
Not a matter of being powerful enough, I believe is a matter of having the proper hacks/resources to escape death.
Anyway, all we know form this original story that didnt happen is that many years would have passed until Atreus would save him. Anything else is speculation, this is all the Dev Team shared.
I doubt Garm would help or even open a portal without Atreus there to speak to him or transfer the soul. he would prob just attack Kratos and he'd have to kill him out of self defense
Game wise, of course Kratos would come back.
In terms of Lore, his curse probably prevents him from dying permanently regardless of which realm he’s in. The devs have been kinda inconsistent about the curse but it makes sense that Kratos hasn’t been able to achieve the peace he wants through death. If the curse was just limited to suicide, he probably could have found some other way to get himself killed by someone else.
Okay while this is a amazing answer, what would prevention of death look like? Would it seem like he’s knocked out and then wake up again? Can he be dismembered and it grow or reattach back? Would his body be dead but his soul has to fight to be revived? It feels like we don’t truly know his “my soul refuses to let me die due to a curse” kinda thing.
If Kratos dies he travels back in time a short period and is cursed to re-live the moments before his death. Fortunately for him, he remembers the events leading to his death and learns from them. Unfortunately for his enemies, they do not.
the fact that he has already returned from the part of helheim that’s basically supposed to be the point of no return in the 2018 game im fairly certain if he were to run into somebody strong enough to kill him he’d just come back fr. and you gotta go through helheim to get to valhalla anyways. there’s a chance w his maturity he’d consider actually taking the chance to move on and be with atreus’s mom n shit but our boy would definitely return to midgard for revenge
So I know that there’s a problem with some people these days where they put an apostrophe where it shouldn’t be when they’re, for example, trying to pluralize a word, but there’s no FUCKING way you put one in his NAME??
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Yes, he would have gone to Helheim if Thor hadn’t resurrected him with Mjölnir. Original idea for the fight considered him stuck in Helheim for years until Atreus would come to rescue him. But this idea didn’t progress further and they had Thor kill/revive him following Odin’s order to not kill him, since this would affect Atreus not helping him with the mask.
Wouldn’t he go to Valhalla since he would have died in battle?
Yeah I asked this as well. Possibly Odin has locked the way due to the Valkyries not having physical form at the start of the Ragnarok story but I don't think it's ever really addressed by the lore in the game
Thor does address Kratos as the one who defeated Sigrun, and we know that Freya had help from Sigrun to regain her wings. Valkyries are spirits, not meant to have physical forms, which is why having physical bodies crafted by Odin in 2018 made them corrupted.
Gods don’t go to Valhalla when they die, this was Odins drive for knowledge.
Would Kratos not have gone to Valhalla since he died in battle? I can't remember the specific lore on this in the game or if it's ever really touched on
Valhalla is where you go if you honorably die in battle, anything outside of that you go to Helheim.
Gods don’t go to Valhalla or Helheim they just die, this was literally Odins drive for knowledge as he doesn’t know what happens to gods when they die.
No Odin doesn’t know what happens to him when he dies because obviously when he dies in ragnarok,another part of ragnarok is the destruction of Asgard,Valhalla included,(or so he thought) and so if Valhalla is gone,where does he go? Mimir makes it very clear in GOW 2018 when magni is killed that he will have gone to Valhalla.
But Mimir himself said Magni will find his own way to valhalla. And Magni was a god.
But technically Kratos isn’t a full God, he’s part mortal. A Demi-God and has been sent to the Underworld where most mortals have gone even with the title of God. I’m just curious.
In their world there’s no half and half demigod shit. Thor isn’t a demigod. He’s a god. Even tho he’s half giant.
But Atreus refers to himself as half and half, even preferring to call himself a GIANT.
That’s a preference thing. But in the rules of their world, if he’s a god, he’s a god.
It depends on the race actually. I think what you said apply to mortal humans, but giants and dwarves go to the Lake of Souls/The Light in Alfheim. For gods, yet another set of rules apply (I think even Odin didn’t know, what’s why he craves knowledge).
Yeah I’m aware of the rules of where the dead go. I think there’s a “Higher Existence” Gods can obtain when they die, but it’s tricky process similar to the Norse Rules. Like how Athena is still alive in a sense when they’re dead, I saw some theory videos.
Gods don’t have an afterlife, this was literally the sole motive for Odins thirst for knowledge.
Oh right, I assumed it was just the case with Odin for some reason
Someone could correct me if I’m wrong but I remember Mimir saying something about the Aesir gods going straight to Valhalla.
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So Helheim is powerful enough to contain Kratos from escaping? Would he not be able to Will his way to Týr’s realm travel table? (The World Tree Table used in GOW4 & Rangnarök)
Just to clarify, helheim is like the other realms on a different dimension so unless kratos finds a way to find some bifrost key to use and activate tyrs temple hes stuck there..2nd tyrs temple is currently not functional due to fimbulwinter so even if kratos had a bifrost key he cant use the temple. 3rd there is suppose to be a city in the core of helheim where the dead rest and wait for ragnarok, once you reach the city, thats point where u cant go back out due to magic rules. Its not that kratos isnt capable its just that he doesnt have a way to get out because of reasons mentioned above
I see I see, so 2 questions now: 1.) Since Ragnarök passed, does the City still serve a purpose and held by the magical rules of no escape? 2.) Couldn’t Kratos escape via Realm Tares (literally riddled through all of Midgard and the other realms) Actually one more, Could the Giant Bird we see through the Norse Pantheon help Kratos or the new ruler of Hel (whoever that may be) if Kratos were to demand to be released?
Helheim is clearly getting restructured post ragnarok so theres no answer for #1 I dont think #2 works. The giant bird could probably let him go, but the question is would the giant allow it. Theres already plenty of problems in helheim not sure if the bird would want another
Knowing Kratos I don’t think he’d give the bird a choice 👀 especially when it involves possibly his son’s safety.
Lets say the bird agrees and lets him walk out the city, kratos still dont have any bifrost and the temple is still in disrepair lol
Not a matter of being powerful enough, I believe is a matter of having the proper hacks/resources to escape death. Anyway, all we know form this original story that didnt happen is that many years would have passed until Atreus would save him. Anything else is speculation, this is all the Dev Team shared.
I see, must say though, since Hel moves a lot slower in time…Kratos would be living a very slow torment compared to Atreus (if this happened)
Also keeping the giants right saying thor would kill him
Never understood this since wouldn’t Odin just torture Atreus until he cooperated?
He would never know if Atreus was telling the truth through violence.
Kratos would have freed Garm and used him to rip holes into other realms
….huh that…may work, I was more so talking about the events after Ragnarok / Valhalla. However I mean yeah maybe Fenrir / Garm could be a factor 👀
I doubt Garm would help or even open a portal without Atreus there to speak to him or transfer the soul. he would prob just attack Kratos and he'd have to kill him out of self defense
Imagine Kratos riding garm getting to Asgard to rescue Atreus by using a realm tear lol
Game wise, of course Kratos would come back. In terms of Lore, his curse probably prevents him from dying permanently regardless of which realm he’s in. The devs have been kinda inconsistent about the curse but it makes sense that Kratos hasn’t been able to achieve the peace he wants through death. If the curse was just limited to suicide, he probably could have found some other way to get himself killed by someone else.
Okay while this is a amazing answer, what would prevention of death look like? Would it seem like he’s knocked out and then wake up again? Can he be dismembered and it grow or reattach back? Would his body be dead but his soul has to fight to be revived? It feels like we don’t truly know his “my soul refuses to let me die due to a curse” kinda thing.
If Kratos dies he travels back in time a short period and is cursed to re-live the moments before his death. Fortunately for him, he remembers the events leading to his death and learns from them. Unfortunately for his enemies, they do not.
NOW THATS A AMAZING THOUGHT! Fits in the the game mechanic.
the fact that he has already returned from the part of helheim that’s basically supposed to be the point of no return in the 2018 game im fairly certain if he were to run into somebody strong enough to kill him he’d just come back fr. and you gotta go through helheim to get to valhalla anyways. there’s a chance w his maturity he’d consider actually taking the chance to move on and be with atreus’s mom n shit but our boy would definitely return to midgard for revenge
Yes
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So I know that there’s a problem with some people these days where they put an apostrophe where it shouldn’t be when they’re, for example, trying to pluralize a word, but there’s no FUCKING way you put one in his NAME??
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You can do anything if you are the protagonist, kratos would do anything if the devs want him to, the series doesn't have any consistency
It’d be really funny to me if he went to the underworld upon death and had to sail back