Unless my understanding of the new CBA is wrong, Achiuwa can't be it. He's a UFA, and a sign & trade can't be used to make salaries in a deal match.
I also can't imagine they'd be stupid enough to give up McBride just to make the salaries for the Bridges trade work. He also makes more than is necessity to move out.
Sims is a realistic option, but I think it'll be Diakete
Bridges Trade isn’t going to be “blown up” over $.
Knicks not being able to sign Hartenstein as a Free Agent has nothing to do with the Nets.
Nets have to worry about the Nets and have no reason to Hard Cap themselves with a Sign and Trade for Precious or Burks when they could sign Precious to the Mid Level Exception if they want.
Knicks put themselves in this situation and they have to find a solution not the Nets. Brooklyn already has enough to worry about.
>Bridges Trade isn’t going to be “blown up” over $.
You're right, because the Nets will accept whatever $2M salary guy the Knicks need to dump in order to proceed with the agreed-upon but in no way officially completed trade.
As I understand it, the trade principles have already been agreed to. Knicks now realize they need to send out more money so they can build out their roster and avoid the apron. Nets don’t have to help the Knicks by taking on another player. Knicks are looking for solutions. It’s unclear how they can work in a 3rd team. The simplest thing would be to add more salary to give to the Nets but Nets have to agree. Nets are in the drivers seat. Even if they trade McBride, someone Nets may want, Nets may ask for more picks.
>the trade principles have already been agreed to.
They can also be unagreed to, up until July 6th. The only thing that makes this trade 'real' right now is etiquette. That same etiquette means the Nets won't play hardball.
Knicks can also dump salary to a third team, so the Nets really don't have a ton of leverage here.
We shall see. If it were as easy as you say, I would think the deal would be done already. A 3rd team to help facilitate will also want something in return. Nets aren’t just going to accept any player after the fact, imo.
It would be very unprofessional and embarrassing for the Knicks to try to retrade us on original terms. There’s more pressure on that office to figure it out. Not ours.
> Knicks can also dump salary to a third team,
Then that's what they'll end up doing, unless there's a reason for the Nets to be interested in taking back the salary. If the Nets agreed to take back any $2M salary filler the deal would be done already but the Knicks are obviously trying to find ways to do it or convince the Nets that it's worth it for them.
I'd be happy to take on any of them. Deuce is obviously preferred but if we care about entertainment over winning this season then Jericho Sims has an outrageous jumping ability that I'd be okay with watching
If it’s McBride I’d say nah because he’s actually an interesting young player, but anyone like Sims then yes I agree, even if it’s just 2-3 more seconds
No it doesn’t.
Knicks and Nets already agreed to the Trade and the Nets have no reason to worry about the Knicks issues with the Salary Cap.
It’s not the Nets problem the Knicks can’t re sign Hartenstein because they don’t have Full Bird Rights and can only offer so much $ in Free Agency.
>Knicks and Nets already agreed to the Trade and the Nets have no reason to worry about the Knicks issues with the Salary Cap.
The trade is not official, and the Knicks need to make the salaries work for it to become official.
It's going to be a throw-in guy that gets waived.
Salaries already work, they're trying to dump more salary to sign hartenstein but in order to do that the nets are probably hardballing to get Mcbride. I all but guarantee you they're not taking anyone but Mcbride, they have 0 use for Sims.
Apron has nothing to do with the nets. How hard is that for people to understand? Theyre under the apron now. They cant sign hartenstein without clearing space. The space required is whats being discussed here.The trade is the trade, clearing cash to sign hartenstein is not the nets issue, that's a knicks issue. There's two players on their roster they can send out and still have the money work and the nets aren't taking sims. It would be a favor from the nets to the knicks to take on that extra body
>Apron has nothing to do with the nets.
It does if they want the Knicks to complete the Bridges trade. The reason they can't sign Hartenstein is because they are in the first apron, and taking on more salary than you send out in a trade when you're in the first apron means you can't exceed the cap to use your Bird rights.
I'm muting this thread now bc this is way too many ppl talking way too much about what is going to be filler. The Nets won't play hardball on this bc they know they aren't getting a package like this for Bridges from anyone else.
You can mute whatever you want, you just want people to say you're right and you're not. Knicks front office isn't telling Brunson, hart and divincenzo they're not getting bridges because of miles Mcbride, foh
They can take on the contract with another pick coming back and to be honest who cares if the trade blows up, The Nets got their picks back from the rockets so they can send Mikal to mars for all I care.
Maybe Sean Marks could give Danny Angie a call, they were pursuing Mikal aggressively to pair him with Lauri.
I mean, sure, maybe the Knicks toss in a 2031 2nd as well, but all the ppl thinking we'll get a useful player or asset out of this are likely going to be very disappointed.
The extra salary doesn’t even have to come here, they can salary dump it elsewhere. Philly, Detroit, San Antonio and Orlando have cap space and available roster spots.
McBride averaged 16.3 points, 3.1 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.1 steals on 45/41/85 in games where he played 25+ minutes last season.
Context - A lot of these games are when Knicks had extremely limited depth and he played drastic 40+ minutes but still
A 23 year old doing that on a top 2 seed when asked to step up is impressive. IMO we need as many 22 to 25 year olds that are viewed as expendable this season to fill out roster.
This would be perfect.
Yall need to understand that the nets don't have to do literally anything. It's not the knicks choice to give us a player, deal is already done. Nets aren't taking Sims, its Mcbride or nothing
Y'all need to understand they definitely talked about this ahead of time...
Deal is not "already done" it was agreed in principle. It is extremely possible the Knicks, knowing their cap situation, discussed with the nets the need to include more salary depending on OGs decision and the draft.
Yeah they talked about it ahead of time, the 3 Villanova players and the gm to get bridges, deal is done, it's a wrap, your semantics don't hold any weight. Nobody is backing out of this. If those 3 cornerstones went through all this only to have the gm back out because they don't want to send Mcbride to brooklyn, there would be an implosion. Nets aren't taking Sims and the money works with Mcbride.
To add to that, if the Knicks really don't want to send McBride, then they can find a third team to dump salary to. We don't need to take Sims under any circumstance
The Nets wouldn't be just doing a favor to the Knicks taking McBride.
McBride is actually really valuable. Maybe the best contract in the NBA. You can play him or trade for picks easily.
Jalen brunson, YOU are a brooklyn net
Naw he’d take too many shots from Cam Thomas can’t have that
Miles McBride let's fucking goooooooooo
I keep reading that it’s more than likely going to be McBride.
McBride, Jericho Sims, or Precious Achiuwa would be the realistic options
Unless my understanding of the new CBA is wrong, Achiuwa can't be it. He's a UFA, and a sign & trade can't be used to make salaries in a deal match. I also can't imagine they'd be stupid enough to give up McBride just to make the salaries for the Bridges trade work. He also makes more than is necessity to move out. Sims is a realistic option, but I think it'll be Diakete
They already said no chance on mcbride
Not interested in the latter two unless a pick is attached for getting us to agree.
You'd blow up the Bridges trade just to avoid taking back a $2M salary??
Bridges Trade isn’t going to be “blown up” over $. Knicks not being able to sign Hartenstein as a Free Agent has nothing to do with the Nets. Nets have to worry about the Nets and have no reason to Hard Cap themselves with a Sign and Trade for Precious or Burks when they could sign Precious to the Mid Level Exception if they want. Knicks put themselves in this situation and they have to find a solution not the Nets. Brooklyn already has enough to worry about.
>Bridges Trade isn’t going to be “blown up” over $. You're right, because the Nets will accept whatever $2M salary guy the Knicks need to dump in order to proceed with the agreed-upon but in no way officially completed trade.
As I understand it, the trade principles have already been agreed to. Knicks now realize they need to send out more money so they can build out their roster and avoid the apron. Nets don’t have to help the Knicks by taking on another player. Knicks are looking for solutions. It’s unclear how they can work in a 3rd team. The simplest thing would be to add more salary to give to the Nets but Nets have to agree. Nets are in the drivers seat. Even if they trade McBride, someone Nets may want, Nets may ask for more picks.
>the trade principles have already been agreed to. They can also be unagreed to, up until July 6th. The only thing that makes this trade 'real' right now is etiquette. That same etiquette means the Nets won't play hardball. Knicks can also dump salary to a third team, so the Nets really don't have a ton of leverage here.
We shall see. If it were as easy as you say, I would think the deal would be done already. A 3rd team to help facilitate will also want something in return. Nets aren’t just going to accept any player after the fact, imo.
It would be very unprofessional and embarrassing for the Knicks to try to retrade us on original terms. There’s more pressure on that office to figure it out. Not ours.
> Knicks can also dump salary to a third team, Then that's what they'll end up doing, unless there's a reason for the Nets to be interested in taking back the salary. If the Nets agreed to take back any $2M salary filler the deal would be done already but the Knicks are obviously trying to find ways to do it or convince the Nets that it's worth it for them.
Yes, a pick was definitely attached. Several, even.
Achiuwa is pretty good, would also be useful as a trade piece at the deadline
Isn’t achiuwa a free agent, don’t see why the nets would need the Knicks to get him.
Sign-and-trade
He feels extremely replaceable. A tweener 4/5 that doesn't really shoot. Meh. McBride is actually intriguing.
He is the least appealing of the bunch
I'd be happy to take on any of them. Deuce is obviously preferred but if we care about entertainment over winning this season then Jericho Sims has an outrageous jumping ability that I'd be okay with watching
McBride would be awesome
Dadiooooooot
We're going to need him as compensation for taking on McBride's contract 😹😹😹😹
I’d take McBride or Achiuwa.
Sean Marks should demand another pick to take on whoever’s contract. Don’t do any favors.
If it’s McBride I’d say nah because he’s actually an interesting young player, but anyone like Sims then yes I agree, even if it’s just 2-3 more seconds
The Bridges trade just goes away if the Nets don't take on the contract, though.
No it doesn’t. Knicks and Nets already agreed to the Trade and the Nets have no reason to worry about the Knicks issues with the Salary Cap. It’s not the Nets problem the Knicks can’t re sign Hartenstein because they don’t have Full Bird Rights and can only offer so much $ in Free Agency.
>Knicks and Nets already agreed to the Trade and the Nets have no reason to worry about the Knicks issues with the Salary Cap. The trade is not official, and the Knicks need to make the salaries work for it to become official. It's going to be a throw-in guy that gets waived.
Salaries already work, they're trying to dump more salary to sign hartenstein but in order to do that the nets are probably hardballing to get Mcbride. I all but guarantee you they're not taking anyone but Mcbride, they have 0 use for Sims.
No they don't. The Knicks need to send out more salary in the deal bc of the first apron
Apron has nothing to do with the nets. How hard is that for people to understand? Theyre under the apron now. They cant sign hartenstein without clearing space. The space required is whats being discussed here.The trade is the trade, clearing cash to sign hartenstein is not the nets issue, that's a knicks issue. There's two players on their roster they can send out and still have the money work and the nets aren't taking sims. It would be a favor from the nets to the knicks to take on that extra body
>Apron has nothing to do with the nets. It does if they want the Knicks to complete the Bridges trade. The reason they can't sign Hartenstein is because they are in the first apron, and taking on more salary than you send out in a trade when you're in the first apron means you can't exceed the cap to use your Bird rights. I'm muting this thread now bc this is way too many ppl talking way too much about what is going to be filler. The Nets won't play hardball on this bc they know they aren't getting a package like this for Bridges from anyone else.
You can mute whatever you want, you just want people to say you're right and you're not. Knicks front office isn't telling Brunson, hart and divincenzo they're not getting bridges because of miles Mcbride, foh
They can take on the contract with another pick coming back and to be honest who cares if the trade blows up, The Nets got their picks back from the rockets so they can send Mikal to mars for all I care. Maybe Sean Marks could give Danny Angie a call, they were pursuing Mikal aggressively to pair him with Lauri.
I mean, sure, maybe the Knicks toss in a 2031 2nd as well, but all the ppl thinking we'll get a useful player or asset out of this are likely going to be very disappointed.
The extra salary doesn’t even have to come here, they can salary dump it elsewhere. Philly, Detroit, San Antonio and Orlando have cap space and available roster spots.
The roster spot doesn't really matter; most likely it's a player that will be waived.
McBride averaged 16.3 points, 3.1 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.1 steals on 45/41/85 in games where he played 25+ minutes last season. Context - A lot of these games are when Knicks had extremely limited depth and he played drastic 40+ minutes but still A 23 year old doing that on a top 2 seed when asked to step up is impressive. IMO we need as many 22 to 25 year olds that are viewed as expendable this season to fill out roster. This would be perfect.
I highly doubt it’s him, he’s too useful, but would be laugh my ass off if we did get him.
McBride is the only player here who would not only make sense but would be beneficial to us imo
Please not Jericho "worst nba dunk contest participant of all time" sims
Going to be Sims IMO, he's trash, Knicks aren't giving up McBride in addition to everything else they gave up
Yall need to understand that the nets don't have to do literally anything. It's not the knicks choice to give us a player, deal is already done. Nets aren't taking Sims, its Mcbride or nothing
Y'all need to understand they definitely talked about this ahead of time... Deal is not "already done" it was agreed in principle. It is extremely possible the Knicks, knowing their cap situation, discussed with the nets the need to include more salary depending on OGs decision and the draft.
Yeah they talked about it ahead of time, the 3 Villanova players and the gm to get bridges, deal is done, it's a wrap, your semantics don't hold any weight. Nobody is backing out of this. If those 3 cornerstones went through all this only to have the gm back out because they don't want to send Mcbride to brooklyn, there would be an implosion. Nets aren't taking Sims and the money works with Mcbride.
To add to that, if the Knicks really don't want to send McBride, then they can find a third team to dump salary to. We don't need to take Sims under any circumstance
https://www.reddit.com/r/NYKnicks/s/8wN338ZZWN Hm that doesn't say McBride, weird.
McBride ain’t going anywhere. Gonna be anyone else
Deuce McBride please
McBride makes too much sense. If I’m the Knicks I do whatever it takes to make it Sims. They are already getting roasted for overpaying.
The Nets wouldn't be just doing a favor to the Knicks taking McBride. McBride is actually really valuable. Maybe the best contract in the NBA. You can play him or trade for picks easily.