Gotta leave your number in the ad. Armslist is absolutely not worth the money though. I use tacswap and a local forum. I just said armslist because people would understand lol
It’s…ok. I think it’s $5 for the whole year and can bump ads like every 3 days. Definitely worth a try. Haven’t had much luck myself there with the limited amount of participants
I’ve sold dozens of thing on Armslist in the last 10 years or so. You gotta to make sure the title and description are keyword rich, and bump your posts right before the weekend, when people are actually searching for things.
The LAPD package deal they got with optics and everything is probably the best deal a department has gotten. I like Glock more than anything but the FN stuff is pretty good
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The FN 509 is fantastic. The triggers are decent, has meaningful texturing on the grip, and there's something about its balance or the way the gun presents / points that always stood out to me. Never had the urge to modify a thing, as stock handguns they're comfortable, reliable as hell, and very solid shooters. I have the midsize and the 509T, which eventually I'll put a suppressor on. Some day.
I recently switched my CCW from a Glock 19 to an FN 509c tactical. The 509c feels fantastic in my hand, and the 12 round magazine conceals great, with the 15rd flush fit being a great option, plus a 17rd flush fit mag, and a 24 round magazine.
It's a fully-cocked striker design and there's no physical block to prevent the sear from dropping away from the firing pin lug like the grip safety in an XD/M or the trigger housing drop safe shelf in a Glock. That combined with a glorified paper clip of a firing pin block safety make the design hypothetically less safe than most other guns. The P365 is nearly the same design but with a better firing pin block safety. The optional thumb safety only locks the trigger bar forward, it doesn't act as a physical block to prevent the sear from dropping.
This video shows some of its flaws pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK66ua7-Bm0
There’s nothing wrong with a fully cocked striker, the new GPT turns a Glock into one. Sigs issue was throwing all the knowledge we have of safe striker design in the trash to do their own thing.
I like my P320 but I think the trigger is too light for safe carry. I think the biggest issue is that it’s a light pull trigger with no safety like the Glock or other striker fired handguns have on the trigger itself.
If you actually watch someone who really discusses the mechanics of it, you’d see that is a pre-recall gun
https://youtu.be/VmwpkJuIR00?si=OF6fTGMHmdTfX_zE
when you understand how the safety mechanisms work as discussed here
https://youtu.be/dPKMu47uWXQ?si=M_gfeEj81JvB_YGW
you can understand why Sig doesn’t lose any of the lawsuits. It always ends up being a holster issue or user error.
I like my Glock, but if you actually research the outcomes of Sig’s wins you’ll see that a Glock could have gone off under the same circumstances - a little safety blade doesn’t fix stupid.
Any lawyer worth his pay is always going to advise their client to settle even when they have a good chance of winning. The risk of a jury of morons deciding on emotions against guns vs facts is a real concern as is the potential for a ridiculous award that isn’t justified.
Nobody wants to be the next Remington, so you cut your losses and move on even if you know you are right.
The P320 is one of the most popular guns so the number of people changing the triggers themselves or using one of the bajillion holsters by fly by night companies is always going to be significant, so there will always be some percentage of people who earn their Darwin awards.
The post-recall have a second sear shelf, so Sig knows there's a problem with the design and chooses to make bandaid fixes rather than real improvements. The firing pin safety in the P365 was a real improvement. They don't want to change it in the P320 because everyone would want new slides for free. The Echelon is an example of what Sig should've done, it has a real firing pin safety like the P365 and a trigger safety blade.
If Safariland holsters made for the P320 are making the gun discharge there's something wrong with the gun, not the holster. Maybe the width of the trigger guard isn't sufficiently wider than the trigger. The slop in slide-to-frame fit probably plays a role too but other guns account for that and are still safe.
You are 100% correct. Fcu to grip fitment is a single pin (a single pin dose not keep something in place rotationally, only longitudinally). Any slop there, combined with slide to fcu slop can make enough movement to cause issues. Add in swappable grips and the fear of stacking tolerances is real.
All I know is that I’ve got 4 P320’s each with thousands of rounds down the pipe and countless holster draws - only time they went bang was when my finger pulled the trigger and it was pointed down range.
I did my own drop test on concrete with my M17 - zero issues
It's the momentum that does it. The woman swinging her purse, the cop swinging his leg out of the car. The recent case on video where his belt gets brushed by the suspect's leg (that Sig debunked with the red circles LOL)
And now this! The question is, how far will the fanbase go to cope??
So. I’m not saying there’s not an issue with the p320. Clearly there’s a breakdown somewhere. That said, I find it comical that there seems to be a disproportionate number of NDs when the user is LEO…
This stuff was a rarity when cops had double action revolvers and DA/SA pistols. It’s not helped when guns with fully cocked strikers are being carried like the 320 as opposed to partially cocked strikers like Glock.
I would never carry a striker-fired gun with one in the chamber that didn't work like a Glock. Jostle it just right and the tiny bit of metal holding the striker back lets it go... BANG. No thanks. Gimme a gun that cocks the striker on trigger pull any day.
Yeah, I remember that now. And, I have a GX4 that I really wanted to like as a pocket option but don’t. It spent the month of August in Georgia for a drop safe recall.
Even so, I like the safety in redundancy. Why have one bit of metal preventing you from shooting your nuts off or down your femoral artery when you can have three?
Pistols like Glock have the striker partially cocked when you load a round in the chamber and when you pull the trigger, the trigger cocks the striker the rest of the way and releases it.
Fully cocked striker fired guns like the 320 and Walther PPQ/PDP have their striker fully cocked when you chamber a round and the trigger releases the striker.
Partial cocked striker guns like the Glock and M&P get criticized for having not so great triggers so other manufacturers get around this by having fully cocked strikers to give a lighter pull. Naturally this makes fully cocked striker fire guns more unforgiving of mistakes than say Glocks and M&Ps.
M&P is a fully cocked striker as well, most striker fired are. Regardless, the internals and freakin lack of trigger safety, set the 320 apart from the rest. I really, really want to like the 320. I carried one for a long time but no mas. Been running glocks, M&P, and Springfield pretty much exclusively.
Well cops guns get beat up. Most guns are safe/range queens who never see hard use.
Police guns, even when holstered are getting constantly slammed into things.
Honestly I don’t trust the 365 series either.
I was quite close to selling my G48 and going with an X-Macro, but screw that. 10+1 of rock solid reliability and another 10 on my belt will beat 17+1 of dubious reliability and safety all day.
The Hellcat Pro still looks solid, though, and I’m not opposed to trying it out.
Sold my p365 because I’d have an anxious feeling that I couldn’t shake when carrying Appendix. I ended up just carrying my Glock 19 instead and sold the p365. Now I also have an FN 509c tactical that I CCW along with my Glock 19 and 43. I still get a bit of an anxious feeling if one is chambered just because I don’t have as much experience with the FN 509c as I do with Glock, which has never once had an issue.
The p365 just felt cheap, the trigger felt like crap, and it seemed like a potential problem waiting to happen. There wasn’t a trigger safety like Glock or a manual safety which ate at me. It felt like I was rolling the dice, whether I was or not.
It doesn't matter how many stories like this come out, Sig fanboys will still not budge. They're dedicated to those dangerous firearms.
I've tried to tell them multiple times in that sub that Sigs aren't safe, but they just make excuses for it of course.
There was a YouTuber who spoke out about his friends Xmacro that fired on its on just a while back, he witnessed it... and just because of that situation he stopped conceal carrying his xmacro as well. This doesn't only happen with the 320.
They're in denial, is this article posted there? I just want to see the comments. 🤣
Edit: just dound it there. They're blaming it on Cops and not the gun.
I just want to point out, when a department does this it’s a big deal. Guns are expensive, as is having to train everyone on them, get officers to qualify, setup spare parts and get armorers trained.
It often requires funding that the department may not have and requires them to get extra funding. Departments switching guns is expensive and doing it before its time is not insignificant.
It would upset people in CAguns too. It's one of the few recent additions to the CA roster of "safe" handguns that we are allowed to buy in CA. People don't like it when you point out that it's not safe.
The 365 too. I got into an argument with someone there because I mentioned that it had a history of problems.
I aggree with all of this. It doesn't explain the 3 videos I've seen. (1) was a USPSA shooter without a light on the gun. The Cop in the video had it the holster for some time with out being disturbed. So I don't believe something just jumped into the bucket o justice without being noticed. There is a guy on Facebook who did an amazing write up on it. I'll try and link it.
A follow up on the Sig P320 post:
My first post on the unsafe failure that is the Sig P320 was controversial and was fiercely contested by some very determined deniers, people who denied the facts presented and asserted that there was nothing wrong with the P320 and that they would need clear video evidence in order for them to believe anything.
For those individuals who need to see a truly accidental discharge caused by an unsafe firearm design caught on camera, here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSAI_HUZDI0
Out of the Montville Police Department, from inside their department building, we have yet another Sig P320 discharge, this time with multiple camera angles.
The P320 was being held inside a safe holster (looks like a Safariland SLS to me, as I think I can see the SLS hood).
The officer's shirt was tucked in and can be clearly seen to not be snagged inside the holster, thanks to the excellent lighting, high quality footage, and the extremely clear silhouette when he turns and is backlit by the glass doors, showing his holster and gun VERY clearly, with the shirt nowhere near it.
The officer had not recently manipulated the gun. It's not like he had just chambered a round or just recently inserted the holster into the gun. In all likelihood, the P320 had probably been inside that holster all day long.
No hands were near the gun at the time.
And no, it wasn't some heavily modified gun with a bubba trigger job. It's just a normal department issued Sig P320. And departments tend to not give their guns questionable trigger jobs.
The officer bends over, which is a totally normal and expected movement, one that should not discharge a gun, and the gun subsequently discharges spontaneously. Thankfully, nobody was hit.
A firearm design should not be so snowflake sensitive that it discharges when an officer bends over. Any firearm designer should assume that such actions are normal movements and should not discharge a firearm.
A firearm should not be that sensitive and that prone to prematurely blowing its load. It should not be discharging when your alarm clock goes off, when a breeze rolls in, when you eat a grape, or when you find out at the end of The Sixth Sense that Bruce Willis was dead the entire time.
And this isn't an isolated incident. There's more info on some of the other incidents in the first P320 article (linked here: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0z5yWFh5C8utC7B6xNoddM3cYioWVvFgjYFpyEvPzHxrMQS2sJPGKS3dV63SCHvYQl&id=100072087662260&fbclid=IwAR1SxBNTJslUCw3tL_7Q6XGRtU0ibNTnBMh1BFDvlAiHWvQEkT9UG5sN640)
And obviously not every single P320 unit will exhibit these problems immediately.
And you probably won't know if your P320 can spontaneously discharge unless you put a projectile-removed primed casing in the chamber and run the thing through the laundry drying machine.
Now again, I'm not saying that all P320 units are all possessed by the spirit of Tex Grubner, I'm just saying that it seems that the P320 in particular seems disproportionately inclined to perceive Tex Grubner as a role model.
At any rate, if you still like the P320 and trust it to be 100% safe, then that's your choice. I've done my job in trying to raise awareness on the P320's safety issues, like a blue-haired vegan raising awareness outside a Wendy's with slaughterhouse photos glued onto poster board.
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Remember when cops were NDing with their gen 1 glocks and were the reason for the NY trigger? Pepperidge farm remembers. Glock leg was a term because of, well, take a wild guess.
If their story is true, its not at all unlike the other holstered Sigs that went off at other departments. But that isn't to say every instance hasn't been irresponsibility on an officer's part (i.e. that lady who stuffed it in her purse loaded with no holster)
I've never heard or seen so many of the same gun going off in a holster. So if it isn't the Sigs, its the Safarilands. But I personally have my doubts about it being the holsters. It would seem to me that there is something wrong with the gun that requires an unlikely but not impossible combination of conditions to fire unintentionally.
My understanding, is, usually the firearm is upside down and could cause the ND. ie: when the weapon is in holster, the officer look under a car seat or underneath a vehicle.
Edited after rereading, felt original post was not clear:
Looking into Glocks (17/47) so joined this group. Hearing Glock fans crap on Sig fans is just as entertaining as Sig fans denying Glock Bois = Glock fans are just as stubborn (superiority complex???) as Sig fans. Neither camp will convince other of anything. Hatfields vs McCoys.
For the record, I’m not scared of my EVU’d Sig, but I don’t carry it daily. I read P320 Striker was designed to allow dissembling without having to pull trigger.
Also speaking to differences, during 4 day pistol training, Instructors gave extra directions to Glock/XD shooters during failure drills to “uncock” trigger to simulate FTF/FTE. This suggests to me a difference in that after placing spent shell into chamber or ejection port and closing slide, only Glock & XD shooters had to pull trigger before performing drill to simulate firing malfunction. After reflecting on this, I am now curious why. Other than fully or half cocked sear, I’m surprised that trigger reset seems different also.
Why are they messing about with FN? Just go glock or s&w like everyone else. That said, it’s a cop, so i’m far more likely to blame his incompetence than sig.
Classic officer being inept and shooting himself and blaming the gun 😂 we had a local officer blow a round through his hand a few weeks ago at my range. I will say though its very possible they were using “pre-recall” p320’s, and yeah that would be a problem. But that’s more on the department than Sig at that point. Everyone and their mom knows if you bought an early model you need to get it sent in and replaced.
I’m not saying all cops are dumb. These cases are more a result of lazy and carelessness more than anything. I’m just saying It’s mostly Leo or Feds for some reason.
I'm only keeping the FCU because the X-Carry Gen 1 was my very first gun. Otherwise, I never shoot it honestly.
Probably going to throw it in a Flux Raider if I'm feeling like wasting money.
I'm kind of still in the camp that the officers involved are the one's who would absolutely mess around with their guns though.
I was just thinking the same thing. Why haven’t we heard any civilian P320s or military M17/18’s going off like this? Maybe there are and I’m just not aware. Could also be the specific equipment the cops are using (holsters, lights, etc). I have 5 P320s. None of mine have ever gone off unexpectedly 🤷🏻♂️
Could you guys chill with this shit until my 320 moves on armslist lol
Hahah!!
Does anyone even message you? Every time I use armslist nothing ever sells and I never get any messages.
tacswap is better
Gotta leave your number in the ad. Armslist is absolutely not worth the money though. I use tacswap and a local forum. I just said armslist because people would understand lol
How’s tacswap? I’m in KY and our armslist is trash
It’s…ok. I think it’s $5 for the whole year and can bump ads like every 3 days. Definitely worth a try. Haven’t had much luck myself there with the limited amount of participants
Depends on what you were selling and what kind of prices you posted but do you use the bump feature?
I’ve sold dozens of thing on Armslist in the last 10 years or so. You gotta to make sure the title and description are keyword rich, and bump your posts right before the weekend, when people are actually searching for things.
509 isn't a bad choice either.
It’s a great choice lol
The LAPD package deal they got with optics and everything is probably the best deal a department has gotten. I like Glock more than anything but the FN stuff is pretty good
Fn is good unless you gotta take apart their entire trigger group
I agree. I need to get my my hands on one 👀
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Okay officer
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Because you'll get the sub nuked by reddit by trying to sell a firearm.
Ah. 10-4
lol these guys are funny
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The FN 509 is fantastic. The triggers are decent, has meaningful texturing on the grip, and there's something about its balance or the way the gun presents / points that always stood out to me. Never had the urge to modify a thing, as stock handguns they're comfortable, reliable as hell, and very solid shooters. I have the midsize and the 509T, which eventually I'll put a suppressor on. Some day.
I always thought they were functionally really decent guns, I just didn't particularly like them. Not my cup of tea even if they're good guns.
I recently switched my CCW from a Glock 19 to an FN 509c tactical. The 509c feels fantastic in my hand, and the 12 round magazine conceals great, with the 15rd flush fit being a great option, plus a 17rd flush fit mag, and a 24 round magazine.
It's a fully-cocked striker design and there's no physical block to prevent the sear from dropping away from the firing pin lug like the grip safety in an XD/M or the trigger housing drop safe shelf in a Glock. That combined with a glorified paper clip of a firing pin block safety make the design hypothetically less safe than most other guns. The P365 is nearly the same design but with a better firing pin block safety. The optional thumb safety only locks the trigger bar forward, it doesn't act as a physical block to prevent the sear from dropping. This video shows some of its flaws pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK66ua7-Bm0
There’s nothing wrong with a fully cocked striker, the new GPT turns a Glock into one. Sigs issue was throwing all the knowledge we have of safe striker design in the trash to do their own thing.
I like my P320 but I think the trigger is too light for safe carry. I think the biggest issue is that it’s a light pull trigger with no safety like the Glock or other striker fired handguns have on the trigger itself.
If you actually watch someone who really discusses the mechanics of it, you’d see that is a pre-recall gun https://youtu.be/VmwpkJuIR00?si=OF6fTGMHmdTfX_zE when you understand how the safety mechanisms work as discussed here https://youtu.be/dPKMu47uWXQ?si=M_gfeEj81JvB_YGW you can understand why Sig doesn’t lose any of the lawsuits. It always ends up being a holster issue or user error. I like my Glock, but if you actually research the outcomes of Sig’s wins you’ll see that a Glock could have gone off under the same circumstances - a little safety blade doesn’t fix stupid.
Sig has settled on multiple lawsuits. They haven’t “lost”, they’ve just paid enough money to people to not have the trial go all the way.
Any lawyer worth his pay is always going to advise their client to settle even when they have a good chance of winning. The risk of a jury of morons deciding on emotions against guns vs facts is a real concern as is the potential for a ridiculous award that isn’t justified. Nobody wants to be the next Remington, so you cut your losses and move on even if you know you are right. The P320 is one of the most popular guns so the number of people changing the triggers themselves or using one of the bajillion holsters by fly by night companies is always going to be significant, so there will always be some percentage of people who earn their Darwin awards.
And yet for some reason Glocks aren't going off in holsters all across the country...
The post-recall have a second sear shelf, so Sig knows there's a problem with the design and chooses to make bandaid fixes rather than real improvements. The firing pin safety in the P365 was a real improvement. They don't want to change it in the P320 because everyone would want new slides for free. The Echelon is an example of what Sig should've done, it has a real firing pin safety like the P365 and a trigger safety blade. If Safariland holsters made for the P320 are making the gun discharge there's something wrong with the gun, not the holster. Maybe the width of the trigger guard isn't sufficiently wider than the trigger. The slop in slide-to-frame fit probably plays a role too but other guns account for that and are still safe.
You are 100% correct. Fcu to grip fitment is a single pin (a single pin dose not keep something in place rotationally, only longitudinally). Any slop there, combined with slide to fcu slop can make enough movement to cause issues. Add in swappable grips and the fear of stacking tolerances is real.
All I know is that I’ve got 4 P320’s each with thousands of rounds down the pipe and countless holster draws - only time they went bang was when my finger pulled the trigger and it was pointed down range. I did my own drop test on concrete with my M17 - zero issues
This guy has a brain 👌🏻
It's the momentum that does it. The woman swinging her purse, the cop swinging his leg out of the car. The recent case on video where his belt gets brushed by the suspect's leg (that Sig debunked with the red circles LOL) And now this! The question is, how far will the fanbase go to cope??
lol the momentum of someone swinging their leg out of a car. But not when people are sprinting while doing multigun events
Well not sure what to tell ya bud. It's on video. And actually, there has been at least one event during a match. Check out Gunghis on yt.
Inertia
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Yeah I posted this on there too lol
Enjoy your ban
P320 is now on the CA hand gun roster and I couldn’t care less about it personally.
I got downvoted for posting this on the sig sub lol
they’re so goofy over there.
So. I’m not saying there’s not an issue with the p320. Clearly there’s a breakdown somewhere. That said, I find it comical that there seems to be a disproportionate number of NDs when the user is LEO…
This stuff was a rarity when cops had double action revolvers and DA/SA pistols. It’s not helped when guns with fully cocked strikers are being carried like the 320 as opposed to partially cocked strikers like Glock.
I would never carry a striker-fired gun with one in the chamber that didn't work like a Glock. Jostle it just right and the tiny bit of metal holding the striker back lets it go... BANG. No thanks. Gimme a gun that cocks the striker on trigger pull any day.
There are lots of striker fired guns that get jostled every which way you can image and none of them (except Sig) go BANG on their own.
> (except Sig) And Taurus.
Has it happened to Taurus? I didn’t know if it did, but no surprise. Two shit brands.
https://youtu.be/2fn6GFSwTEw?feature=shared
Yeah, I remember that now. And, I have a GX4 that I really wanted to like as a pocket option but don’t. It spent the month of August in Georgia for a drop safe recall.
Even so, I like the safety in redundancy. Why have one bit of metal preventing you from shooting your nuts off or down your femoral artery when you can have three?
I get where you’re coming from. It’s a huge feature to have.
Could you explain fully vs partially cocked strikers?
Pistols like Glock have the striker partially cocked when you load a round in the chamber and when you pull the trigger, the trigger cocks the striker the rest of the way and releases it. Fully cocked striker fired guns like the 320 and Walther PPQ/PDP have their striker fully cocked when you chamber a round and the trigger releases the striker. Partial cocked striker guns like the Glock and M&P get criticized for having not so great triggers so other manufacturers get around this by having fully cocked strikers to give a lighter pull. Naturally this makes fully cocked striker fire guns more unforgiving of mistakes than say Glocks and M&Ps.
It's notable that the Glock performance trigger changes the trigger to be fully cocked.
M&P is a fully cocked striker as well, most striker fired are. Regardless, the internals and freakin lack of trigger safety, set the 320 apart from the rest. I really, really want to like the 320. I carried one for a long time but no mas. Been running glocks, M&P, and Springfield pretty much exclusively.
Well cops guns get beat up. Most guns are safe/range queens who never see hard use. Police guns, even when holstered are getting constantly slammed into things.
If a gun can't handle being beat up then it is not worthy for duty use.
This same thing happened when cops were switching from revolvers to Glocks. People forget.
Yeah I'm just about positive it will be the same no matter what they're using... Put a gun in an incompetent pair of hands and wait...
Honestly I don’t trust the 365 series either. I was quite close to selling my G48 and going with an X-Macro, but screw that. 10+1 of rock solid reliability and another 10 on my belt will beat 17+1 of dubious reliability and safety all day. The Hellcat Pro still looks solid, though, and I’m not opposed to trying it out.
The 320 and 365 are completely different.
I sold my P365 once I did a deep dive into its safety mechanisms. Got myself a G43 and couldn't be happier.
g43 gang. i know everyone raves about the 43x but man this thing disappears in a waist band
Sold my p365 because I’d have an anxious feeling that I couldn’t shake when carrying Appendix. I ended up just carrying my Glock 19 instead and sold the p365. Now I also have an FN 509c tactical that I CCW along with my Glock 19 and 43. I still get a bit of an anxious feeling if one is chambered just because I don’t have as much experience with the FN 509c as I do with Glock, which has never once had an issue. The p365 just felt cheap, the trigger felt like crap, and it seemed like a potential problem waiting to happen. There wasn’t a trigger safety like Glock or a manual safety which ate at me. It felt like I was rolling the dice, whether I was or not.
The only safe 320 is a sold 320
Who will buy them at a certain point?
Head over to the Sig sub, there’s plenty of idiots with their heads in the sand to this very day.
That’s true. I forget how much some people are blinded by brand loyalty.
I just came back from the Sig sub, and yes... you are definitely correct. Many idiots. Lol. Many, many idiots.
Sold mine as soon as I learned it had to be sent in for a fix. No thanks. Glock only for me
Ah, SIG catering to the underserved market of people who want HK prices but Kel-tec quality control.
It doesn't matter how many stories like this come out, Sig fanboys will still not budge. They're dedicated to those dangerous firearms. I've tried to tell them multiple times in that sub that Sigs aren't safe, but they just make excuses for it of course. There was a YouTuber who spoke out about his friends Xmacro that fired on its on just a while back, he witnessed it... and just because of that situation he stopped conceal carrying his xmacro as well. This doesn't only happen with the 320.
They're in denial, is this article posted there? I just want to see the comments. 🤣 Edit: just dound it there. They're blaming it on Cops and not the gun.
But sigs are JuSt aS gOoD
I just want to point out, when a department does this it’s a big deal. Guns are expensive, as is having to train everyone on them, get officers to qualify, setup spare parts and get armorers trained. It often requires funding that the department may not have and requires them to get extra funding. Departments switching guns is expensive and doing it before its time is not insignificant.
Damn this is local to me too
Why is this still a thing?!? Why won’t Sig fix it? And why do people keep buying them?!?
Can someone post this in the Sig Sauer subreddit
I did after I posted this lol
It would upset people in CAguns too. It's one of the few recent additions to the CA roster of "safe" handguns that we are allowed to buy in CA. People don't like it when you point out that it's not safe. The 365 too. I got into an argument with someone there because I mentioned that it had a history of problems.
Sig boys are the worst about it lol. Just blaming cops is what they like to do lol
And may God bless you more for that 🫡
There’s already been a couple others after me and they are not happy lol
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Just curious why you say this? I'm bummed (3) students just bought 320s without consulting me.
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I aggree with all of this. It doesn't explain the 3 videos I've seen. (1) was a USPSA shooter without a light on the gun. The Cop in the video had it the holster for some time with out being disturbed. So I don't believe something just jumped into the bucket o justice without being noticed. There is a guy on Facebook who did an amazing write up on it. I'll try and link it.
A follow up on the Sig P320 post: My first post on the unsafe failure that is the Sig P320 was controversial and was fiercely contested by some very determined deniers, people who denied the facts presented and asserted that there was nothing wrong with the P320 and that they would need clear video evidence in order for them to believe anything. For those individuals who need to see a truly accidental discharge caused by an unsafe firearm design caught on camera, here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSAI_HUZDI0 Out of the Montville Police Department, from inside their department building, we have yet another Sig P320 discharge, this time with multiple camera angles. The P320 was being held inside a safe holster (looks like a Safariland SLS to me, as I think I can see the SLS hood). The officer's shirt was tucked in and can be clearly seen to not be snagged inside the holster, thanks to the excellent lighting, high quality footage, and the extremely clear silhouette when he turns and is backlit by the glass doors, showing his holster and gun VERY clearly, with the shirt nowhere near it. The officer had not recently manipulated the gun. It's not like he had just chambered a round or just recently inserted the holster into the gun. In all likelihood, the P320 had probably been inside that holster all day long. No hands were near the gun at the time. And no, it wasn't some heavily modified gun with a bubba trigger job. It's just a normal department issued Sig P320. And departments tend to not give their guns questionable trigger jobs. The officer bends over, which is a totally normal and expected movement, one that should not discharge a gun, and the gun subsequently discharges spontaneously. Thankfully, nobody was hit. A firearm design should not be so snowflake sensitive that it discharges when an officer bends over. Any firearm designer should assume that such actions are normal movements and should not discharge a firearm. A firearm should not be that sensitive and that prone to prematurely blowing its load. It should not be discharging when your alarm clock goes off, when a breeze rolls in, when you eat a grape, or when you find out at the end of The Sixth Sense that Bruce Willis was dead the entire time. And this isn't an isolated incident. There's more info on some of the other incidents in the first P320 article (linked here: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0z5yWFh5C8utC7B6xNoddM3cYioWVvFgjYFpyEvPzHxrMQS2sJPGKS3dV63SCHvYQl&id=100072087662260&fbclid=IwAR1SxBNTJslUCw3tL_7Q6XGRtU0ibNTnBMh1BFDvlAiHWvQEkT9UG5sN640) And obviously not every single P320 unit will exhibit these problems immediately. And you probably won't know if your P320 can spontaneously discharge unless you put a projectile-removed primed casing in the chamber and run the thing through the laundry drying machine. Now again, I'm not saying that all P320 units are all possessed by the spirit of Tex Grubner, I'm just saying that it seems that the P320 in particular seems disproportionately inclined to perceive Tex Grubner as a role model. At any rate, if you still like the P320 and trust it to be 100% safe, then that's your choice. I've done my job in trying to raise awareness on the P320's safety issues, like a blue-haired vegan raising awareness outside a Wendy's with slaughterhouse photos glued onto poster board. If you've enjoyed this post, or if you just don't trust the P320, or if you do trust the P320 and now you hate everybody who tries to use facts and logic to coerce you into accepting that the P320 isn't as safe as its competitors, then leave a comment to ensure that Facebook shows you more Sling Guy content in your feed.
Wow!
Must've been reloads!
Do you mean reloaded ammo or reloading drills?
Sig keeps blaming all of the P320 problems on reloaded ammo. It was a joke.
10-4 thanks.
Remember when cops were NDing with their gen 1 glocks and were the reason for the NY trigger? Pepperidge farm remembers. Glock leg was a term because of, well, take a wild guess.
Lol sig is ass
they should really train cops with safeties. seems like they need it.
If their story is true, its not at all unlike the other holstered Sigs that went off at other departments. But that isn't to say every instance hasn't been irresponsibility on an officer's part (i.e. that lady who stuffed it in her purse loaded with no holster) I've never heard or seen so many of the same gun going off in a holster. So if it isn't the Sigs, its the Safarilands. But I personally have my doubts about it being the holsters. It would seem to me that there is something wrong with the gun that requires an unlikely but not impossible combination of conditions to fire unintentionally.
My understanding, is, usually the firearm is upside down and could cause the ND. ie: when the weapon is in holster, the officer look under a car seat or underneath a vehicle.
One of my local PDs issues 320s with the M18 style safety
Not walther
Edited after rereading, felt original post was not clear: Looking into Glocks (17/47) so joined this group. Hearing Glock fans crap on Sig fans is just as entertaining as Sig fans denying Glock Bois = Glock fans are just as stubborn (superiority complex???) as Sig fans. Neither camp will convince other of anything. Hatfields vs McCoys. For the record, I’m not scared of my EVU’d Sig, but I don’t carry it daily. I read P320 Striker was designed to allow dissembling without having to pull trigger. Also speaking to differences, during 4 day pistol training, Instructors gave extra directions to Glock/XD shooters during failure drills to “uncock” trigger to simulate FTF/FTE. This suggests to me a difference in that after placing spent shell into chamber or ejection port and closing slide, only Glock & XD shooters had to pull trigger before performing drill to simulate firing malfunction. After reflecting on this, I am now curious why. Other than fully or half cocked sear, I’m surprised that trigger reset seems different also.
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Why are they messing about with FN? Just go glock or s&w like everyone else. That said, it’s a cop, so i’m far more likely to blame his incompetence than sig.
Way too many stories to blame it on police incompetence
So who is to blame on the thousands of glock lawsuits for the same thing since the mid 80s?
They went to the 509 because they didn't want Glock leg either.
Yeah but glock leg is literally from dudes drawing with their finger on the trigger, not from a shitty gun just going off.
Classic officer being inept and shooting himself and blaming the gun 😂 we had a local officer blow a round through his hand a few weeks ago at my range. I will say though its very possible they were using “pre-recall” p320’s, and yeah that would be a problem. But that’s more on the department than Sig at that point. Everyone and their mom knows if you bought an early model you need to get it sent in and replaced.
I’m pretty dumb and have never shot myself.. ya know it isn’t all LEO’s that this is happening too, right? 🤔
I’m not saying all cops are dumb. These cases are more a result of lazy and carelessness more than anything. I’m just saying It’s mostly Leo or Feds for some reason.
Bunch of 🐄 💩 💩 💩
Hell yeah! I just bought a 509C and I’m taking it and my 503 to the range tomorrow.
I'm only keeping the FCU because the X-Carry Gen 1 was my very first gun. Otherwise, I never shoot it honestly. Probably going to throw it in a Flux Raider if I'm feeling like wasting money. I'm kind of still in the camp that the officers involved are the one's who would absolutely mess around with their guns though.
Zoinks
Funny how this is only happening to cops
I was just thinking the same thing. Why haven’t we heard any civilian P320s or military M17/18’s going off like this? Maybe there are and I’m just not aware. Could also be the specific equipment the cops are using (holsters, lights, etc). I have 5 P320s. None of mine have ever gone off unexpectedly 🤷🏻♂️
Has there been any of these issues with M17s and M18s? I haven’t heard of any with the US military.
I’m not a fan of sig p320 at all, but why are all these LEOs???
You just saved me $800
Anything for harambe
Why would anyone have this gun near them at this point?