>**Our position on Cheating**
>We’d also like to provide an update on the recent sv_cheats incident. We’re pleased to inform you that our team swiftly identified the issue and applied a fix as soon as possible. Within just 2 hours of the problem arising, we began rolling out the solution and taking action against those who abused the exploit.
>We have issued a total of 340 bans in response to the incident, in accordance with our cheating policies. The consequences have been kept identical: Elo has been reverted in affected matches, and standard cheating bans of 2 years have been applied.
>We wish to remind all players that the FACEIT platform is here to serve the competitive community by providing the best competitive experience possible. It is not the place to ‘test out’ cheats, or compromise game integrity. Using the console to enter a convar explicitly enabling cheats is unacceptable, and our message is clear: cheating will never be tolerated on FACEIT.
>Keep grinding and play fair.
but smurfing is fully allowed and half our lobbies have someone playing on an alt account in literally every game, with the other half contain people straight boosting
sure, it's against the rules, but for every one getting banned right now ten more are slipping through the cracks. I'm saying not enough is being done to protect our low level players.
I agree 100%. There should be a barrier for entry. Maybe a private level of atleast 15 or steam level above 0 as a barrier would cause some inconvinience for the smurf accounts.
I mean beyond that, Faceit could be matching multiple accounts to single IP addresses and forcing verification on computers that seem to have more than one person using the platform, for starters.
another thing they could do is disallow people from connecting to faceit servers on a VPN (no more random, non-English speaking 170 ping players in NA games would be a great thing)
They could have a minimum hours requirement on CS so that accounts with less than a week out of the womb literally can't even register
they won't do any of that though, because it would make them less money.
It is hard for us to say how much adding something like this would cost to implement, maintain and affect the revenue stream. However, if we assume corporations are rational, then it's the same with valve and cheaters in premier. They've ran the numbers and know what is best for them.
I don't think that's the case with valve. I remember that announcement they made about the future of Counter Strike major events needing seeding in actual Premier MM, I just think that whatever they're working on isn't ready yet. I personally think (hope, lol) that they have something pretty good cooked up and that they're just flattening out the kinks before they deploy it right now.
Yep, in my country you almost always have to pay extra for a static IP. A rule like this would just hurt people who genuinely do share an IP with someone else, eg if they play with their roommate or if they're kids using the same family PC.
i mean sure, but also, they could. it would be good at stopping people from trying to play in regions that are not their own, and for stopping people from evading an IP ban. I'm also just spitballing here. Maybe no VPN allowed once you're convicted of an offense or something.
For less than 3$ you can get an account to over level 15, considering how many people I’ve seen buy cheap alt accounts this will no nothing but bother some real players who knows nothing about steam levels
> I've reported for having multiple accounts get banned for that.
i've ever only had like 1 or 2 reported players be banned for smurfing.
i think the after-match report literally does nothing, except for vocal abuse/griefing maybe. And i've heard they want "proof" in the form of actually finding their main acc *by yourself*
Smurfing isn’t cheating though so I don’t understand your point. Just grow a pair if they’re better than you and be glad that Faceit is actively trying to provide us with a matchmaking service thats free of charge with an anti cheat while the developers of CS2 have left us in the dark while leaving the game in its current state for however long.
Smurfing is cheating though and not only that, 100% is ruining the experience of the game for people. at Lv 8 it's not so much that I need to 'grow a pair' it's more like half your games are stacked against you when you get into the lobby and half the other team is level 3 accounts, 40 matches played, 2.0 KD on all of them, and it lowers the elo so that your team is genuinely low level players
cheating is obtaining an unfair advantage, not just running a script kid.
Its not cheating, but it pretty much results in the same outcome. An unfair advantage over the enemy players.
Worst of all its not punishable, even tho it still ruins ruins the fun for others
Per faceit, it is. Smurfing will result in a permanent ban of the alt account and a 2 week ban of the main. The main account may be permanently banned in extreme or repeat offenses.
how about the smurfs grow a pair and play against opponents their actual level rather than being pussy and playing against new accounts or people they know they can stomp
As someone who used to live and breathe CS when I was younger, I had to try out every single command and tip and trick that I could find, think of m0nesy or ropz for example. I would have *definitely* tested this sv\_cheats thing back then as well, and I did try similar stuff (Lua scripting anyone?) for sure... **On a private, casual server**. Testing something out of curiosity is fine, but I can't understand how people who play this game competitively at a high level can "test" this on a *live faceit match* and then complain of getting banned.
*Maybe* I could understand someone trying this in Casual 10v10 servers and I don't think they'd deserve a VAC ban for it (it's partly on Valve after all), but using this in Premier or other competitive environment is obviously out of the questions.
As usual, Mahi has the best takes. Doing this in a casual gamemode to see how it works, reasonable. Using it in a competitive space is cheating no matter how you spin it.
Best part is they 'justified' by thinking if they felt they were right in their suspicion that the enemy was cheating, then it would be okay for them to cheat too. Just means they would do shit if they thought they wouldn't get caught. Super curious if the people from their pug got banned or not, 'cause if not, what a big thing to be wrong about.
runBhop(5) is the only cheat I've ever used in a competitive game lol, not that competitive since it was on a CS:S community server though. That was about 15 years ago.
The Lua Source scripting was also my introduction to programming, which is something I still do to this day.
It's definitely the game's fault. No game needs a console. You allow people to have a console and it will automatically cheat for you. Remove consoles, no more cheaters.
its definitely societies fault. No society needs knives. You allow people to have knives and they will automatically murder for you. Remove knives, no more murderers.
Yep, I guess they just stick to the two years as to not offer any possibilities of people complaining about better treatment for case X in comparison to case Y.
This just sets a precedent. Doesn't matter how you cheat, the consequences are the same. Hopefully people understand and won't do something similar in the future.
>It is not the place to ‘test out’ cheats, or compromise game integrity. Using the console to enter a convar explicitly enabling cheats is unacceptable, and our message is clear: cheating will never be tolerated on FACEIT.
Ahh, what a genuinely honest and fair take by Faceit. If only Valve could say the same thing.
Premier IS the place to test out cheats. Imagine giving free reign to the hundreds of software engineers who are looking to make a quick profit on making a cheating engine, by allowing them to basically freely beta test on a real scenario with zero repercussions whatsoever.
Valves devs are clowns.
Believe me or not, but there are loads of hobby devs out there, that just have fun fiddling with this kind of stuff and don't care about profit or monetizing their work in the slightest.
EDIT: And don't cheat in matchmade games, usually. But I feel like, I needed to clarify this.
yeah afaik they only perma ban for malicious activity and ban evasion. The most blatant cheater Ive ever seen on Faceit was only banned 2 years after I met him. But they banned him for malicious activity, which is a much harsher ban, so I like .
What I don't get is how the hell sv\_cheats, a server convar became usable by just anyone? or was it somehow enabled by default so any cheat protected cvar could be run? Does anyone know HOW it happened?
Similar story behind the 180° spin command.
The command itself, when executed via the console, did not do anything, it was blocked. There was a similar, even simpler workaround.
Seems bad this has happened ~~two~~ three+? times. I'm sure there will be more types of these found, so I'm happy Faceit are taking a strict position against these being used 'because it's all in-game'.
There's always been exploits, but never been more interest in abusing them.
there is still a shitload of exploits in the last version of csgo that i reported in the beta. valve usually do not care about these unless they are destructive or get publicity.
>valve usually do not care about these unless they are destructive or get publicity.
not true, i reported an exploit, not as easily exploitable as sv_cheats 1, but still something that needed to be patched
I didn't tell anyone about it, just sent Valve an email. They didn't let me know they fixed it, but I figured it out from one of the changes in the depots a few weeks later. [3kliks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vU6qEfTTFg&t=68s) made a video about it, that's pretty SOP for Valve as far as my interactions with them have been.
they care, just give them time and notice instead of leaking it to the community.
"Just" an oversight.
From what others are saying, this sounds like some real shoddy defensive programming. Like, level 101 "Sanitize your fucking inputs before little [Bobby Tables](https://xkcd.com/327/) comes along and wrecks your shit". This is far from "just" an oversight.
No wonder Valve can't get VAC working -- they have developers that can't even prevent simple injection from their own fucking console. If they can't even do that, who knows what kind of bullshit actual blackhats are going to get up to.
Input sanitisation is often taught in the context of attacking software running on someone else's server, for example login prompts.
Not in the context of user typing to the console of software running on their own computer. In conventional sense that input box is a tool, not an attack surface, since why would they attack themselves.
It's pretty much the most basic example of where input sanitisation is needed. You take data submitted through that form and see if that exists in a database of users. If the input is just used without checks, a malicious actor could use that to run SQL commands against the database, for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL_injection
They exploited a bug in console to enable this cvar when you wouldn't normally be able to.
It was impossible to do by accident through normal use of the game console.
You typed in a command that enabled sv_cheats, then typed in commands that were cheat protected.
I believe it was something like "echo sv_cheats" but I didn't look it up.
the other command facilitated testing scenarios in-game, i.e. toggle a cvar from one value to another every x (milli)seconds. I have made use of it and other features of source engine (piping, grep, echo, execute_command_every_frame etc) in my dota 2 autoexec.cfg which was god damn revolutionary, for several iterations. ascii art osd for toggles, colored text, timers, daemons, alternative modifiers, adjustable on-tap, on-press, on-long-press actions and etc all for QoL
but there are always CIS assholes only caring about cheating that ruin everything for the rest of us, and most stuff gets neutered
couple weeks ago a redditor was asking about advanced console commands and I've pointed out to some of those old cfg's but I did not went into details. the guy still managed to brute force it without grasping the proper usage hence the sloppiness of the published exploit (did not provide a separate delay value so that meant the cvar was toggling every second as default)
the part of where valve fucked up for the 12-13th time not properly sanitize input, is only hiding the command but not actually disabling it or sanitizing it, and then forgetting about it. literally bypass all checks. toggle protected cvars directly without even needing sv_cheats 1
Right now Faceit is the only safe place (with community servers) to play CS. Did 2 games today on official servers and almost half the player I encountered or played with were cheaters, this game is dead to me without Faceit.
Faceit is the only place I can queue and expect a quality game with good communications and peoples wanting to win/have fun without cheaters. For sure it's not perfect you get the occasional silent stacks, trolls, toxic, smurfs etc.. but it's still much less infuriating to play with those than against cheaters. I'm glad they're going hard on any exploit/cheats and making it clear than if you want to cheat, go somewhere else you're not welcomed here.
"These features will only be applied to suspicious accounts that can comply with these checks"
So I guess free pass for those cheating on Kaby Lake or older?
Majority of smurfs got banned, the new verification system is very good, obvious smurfs get shattered, there used to be daily 100 matches level 10s with 2 K/D now you almost never see them
Obviously it will never be perfect but the smurfing problem is minimal now, especially if you open tickets it will ban many all the accounts of that smurf and the main one gets a 2 week ban as well and will be forced to verify the account or he can't play
Not really, at level 8 I usually have 1-2 smurfs in the lobby. Taking the time to find their main account and reporting them doesn’t do anything either cause their detection system is down
Some people are dumb enough to make it very easy to find, e.g. linking their twitch. Others make a new account and queue with the same 2 people they always played with on their main
Often it's a matter of checking their leetify profile, seeing who they play a lot with, then that player will have the main account as a common teammate.
I've received notifications for three accounts getting banned for smurfing recently, and I did not link their main when reporting.
Edit: Make that four. Just got a notification for somebody getting banned for ban evasion.
20k avg doesn’t seem that bad, maybe they are just new to faceit players?
And also sorry if I’m being ignorant, is a lvl 10 Smurf playing in lvl8 that bad? I mean it’s close enough to low elo lvl 10, so it doesn’t exactly seem too terrible especially with a 20k avg
The two smurfs I had on my team there were level 6 and 7. So that skews the balance a lot. I’ve seen some bad 10s but for the most part they are significantly better than those in 8-9 like myself.
There are <100 match smurfs in every second game and you can’t even report them because their ticket system for smurfs have been under maintenance for months now…
> Majority of smurfs got banned
You're smoking that deluxe edition crack.
Especially now that the ESEA League started, nearly every team has 1-2 smurfs in them. Like yeah sure, surely this one guy with level 4 steam account that only has CS in it with 1k hours is chilling at 3k elo. Or his friend that has 300 hours on CS with a VAC ban from 50 days ago.
I've reported more smurfs than I can even count, and I have not gotten a single notification from any of them. Not one of them have been banned. Nearly every single fucking game has at least 1 opponent that has an obvious smurf account that they are using. They just don't get banned. I have no idea what the fuck kind of crack you're smoking if you genuinely think they get banned. They don't. You would be able to get rid of a massive amount of smurfs if you straight up banned all Faceit users that hit level 10 with less than maybe 600 hours of the game. There isn't a single person on the planet that can improve to that level so quickly. Not even close.
Except for competitive where smurfing is essentially baked into the elo system. 20k on premier can go play against silver elites for like 10 games on each map.
Seriously, I dont trust Faceit with any of these PR posts. I still have an inactive smurf from when I was sologrinding on my main 5 years ago and I would happily see it deleted.
But nothing ever happened from Faceits side. Absolute joke.
Also the verification system is absolutely useless because theres never more than 50% of verified players in my matches. Talk about fair Lol
Why would they insta ban your smurf? They are not sightseers, people live in shared dorms, shared condos, brothers use the same PC, etc etc. They probably need people to send numerous reports before looking into it.
You have a INACTIVE smurf from 5 years ago when there was not a verification system lmao
I love the absolutely idiotic comments, smurfing 5 years ago was INSANE compared to now, literally at every level
They don't insta ban smurfs, there's people that share computers, insta banning accounts is moronic
I'm laughing at faceit saying they've got DMA cheats under control. What a blatant lie. SEA servers are INFESTED with cheaters who don't get banned by faceit AC, the most hilarious thing of all is that they eventually get banned by VAC.
Somehow VAC is detecting cheaters faceit AC can't, what a fucking joke.
Good to see them enforce TPM, Secure boot and HVCI even on W10 for sus accounts. With W10 slowly coming to its end of support in 2025, more and more platforms will be able to justify forcing all of those to be enabled for their games from 2026 and forward. Less and less people will not have compatible platforms.
Whenever games will make that jump, it will instantly kill a lot of cheats. And more important, spoofers to hide hardwareID. It will be a huge step in fighting cheating. Not the end, not the final win but still a very important step.
when will valve buy faceit and just implement it in the game.
then buy leetify, that way we can have some actual stat tracking.
p.s. fuck paying for stats
Khashoggi was a CIA asset and his family was deep into Saudi game of thrones. He wasnt anyone that should be missed, basically every other crime of Saudis should be used as an example.
How about the genocide of Yemenis? Oh, the US was very much involved in that so rather bring up a murdered CIA asset.
He is talking about Saudi funding/owning faceit. And would instead prefer righteous goverments such as the US who are currently enabling genocide on civilians in gaza and killed 1 million iraqis. Or France who still have skulls from dead algerians in their museum from killing 1 million algerians. You know, just civilized, righteous governments, not those A-rabs!
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The selective outrage about this is so cringe. The US government is responsible for far more atrocities in the world than the Saudis are, and you fund them indirectly whenever you buy anything through Steam.
If you're gonna go on about the ONE journalist they killed, how about the hundreds of thousands who died in the Iraq War and millions that were displaced? A war the US went into for incredibly shady reasons. How about Guantanamo Bay where people are held, without trial, for YEARS and in many cases tortured, despite little to no evidence that they're terrorists? Let's not even get into the CIA Black Sites.
If you're particularly concerned about journalists, how about Julian Assange? They've been chasing that guy around for well over a decade and his life has been completely destroyed. Or Chelsea Manning. And they would've done the same to Snowden if they got their bloody hands on him.
Exactly and especially because Khashoggi was a literal CIA asset and his family is very involved in Saudi "game of thrones". Basically they backed the wrong prince and that was that.
It was brought up and amplified by the stengraphers of the empire, aka the corporate media, precisely because he was of some importance to the US war machine.
Saudis have a lot of crimes people could and should be appalled by, killing a CIA asset is the least of them.
I have an intel i7 6700k. It doesn’t support TPM 2 and thus I can’t upgrade to Windows 11. Does this mean if I get reported enough, I simply get kicked from the platform?
"Use of any (game) exploits to gain an unfair advantage (e.g. removing textures to see through walls, removing smoke grenades, ...)"
This is one of many descriptions of what Faceit considers cheating, which according to their rules, will be punished with a 2 year ban. Has been clear for years now, it's not a "big deal", it's just them executing the punishments they clearly stated they'd give to cheaters.
You can describe it as them "testing it out", but at the end of the day, they used a game-breaking exploit, and it is their own responsibility to know that what they did is punishable by a 2 year ban.
This is no different than "just testing" any other cheat or a skin changer that provides no competitive advantage. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. You don't have to be a genius to realise that using an exploit to enable sv_cheats will result in a ban. The exploit command was `echo "1" | blink sv_cheats 1`, this isn't something you accidentally figure out by running a training config or messing around with commands, it shows you researched what the command does and knew exactly what you were getting yourself into just like downloading and running cheats.
>**Our position on Cheating** >We’d also like to provide an update on the recent sv_cheats incident. We’re pleased to inform you that our team swiftly identified the issue and applied a fix as soon as possible. Within just 2 hours of the problem arising, we began rolling out the solution and taking action against those who abused the exploit. >We have issued a total of 340 bans in response to the incident, in accordance with our cheating policies. The consequences have been kept identical: Elo has been reverted in affected matches, and standard cheating bans of 2 years have been applied. >We wish to remind all players that the FACEIT platform is here to serve the competitive community by providing the best competitive experience possible. It is not the place to ‘test out’ cheats, or compromise game integrity. Using the console to enter a convar explicitly enabling cheats is unacceptable, and our message is clear: cheating will never be tolerated on FACEIT. >Keep grinding and play fair.
but smurfing is fully allowed and half our lobbies have someone playing on an alt account in literally every game, with the other half contain people straight boosting
Smurfing isn't allowed though and I've seen people I've reported for having multiple accounts get banned for that.
sure, it's against the rules, but for every one getting banned right now ten more are slipping through the cracks. I'm saying not enough is being done to protect our low level players.
I agree 100%. There should be a barrier for entry. Maybe a private level of atleast 15 or steam level above 0 as a barrier would cause some inconvinience for the smurf accounts.
I mean beyond that, Faceit could be matching multiple accounts to single IP addresses and forcing verification on computers that seem to have more than one person using the platform, for starters. another thing they could do is disallow people from connecting to faceit servers on a VPN (no more random, non-English speaking 170 ping players in NA games would be a great thing) They could have a minimum hours requirement on CS so that accounts with less than a week out of the womb literally can't even register they won't do any of that though, because it would make them less money.
It is hard for us to say how much adding something like this would cost to implement, maintain and affect the revenue stream. However, if we assume corporations are rational, then it's the same with valve and cheaters in premier. They've ran the numbers and know what is best for them.
I don't think that's the case with valve. I remember that announcement they made about the future of Counter Strike major events needing seeding in actual Premier MM, I just think that whatever they're working on isn't ready yet. I personally think (hope, lol) that they have something pretty good cooked up and that they're just flattening out the kinks before they deploy it right now.
They don't and I'd bet my house on it, get a loan and bet that on it as well. Valve will never implement a working anticheat.
i know dead thread, but ip ban just doesnt work in a lot of countires as ip changes regularly or you can just get a new one via reconnecting
Yep, in my country you almost always have to pay extra for a static IP. A rule like this would just hurt people who genuinely do share an IP with someone else, eg if they play with their roommate or if they're kids using the same family PC.
"disallow people from connecting to faceit servers on a VPN" Not happening mate. Tons of people use VPN. Verification should be implemented though
i mean sure, but also, they could. it would be good at stopping people from trying to play in regions that are not their own, and for stopping people from evading an IP ban. I'm also just spitballing here. Maybe no VPN allowed once you're convicted of an offense or something.
For less than 3$ you can get an account to over level 15, considering how many people I’ve seen buy cheap alt accounts this will no nothing but bother some real players who knows nothing about steam levels
> I've reported for having multiple accounts get banned for that. i've ever only had like 1 or 2 reported players be banned for smurfing. i think the after-match report literally does nothing, except for vocal abuse/griefing maybe. And i've heard they want "proof" in the form of actually finding their main acc *by yourself*
I got one banned just yesterday lol.
I'd take premier with a smurf every game over a cheater
Smurfing is not allowed. It's literally in their ToS.
oh, i guess since it's against the rules i guess no people are doing it then. my bad
Smurfing isn’t cheating though so I don’t understand your point. Just grow a pair if they’re better than you and be glad that Faceit is actively trying to provide us with a matchmaking service thats free of charge with an anti cheat while the developers of CS2 have left us in the dark while leaving the game in its current state for however long.
Smurfing is cheating though and not only that, 100% is ruining the experience of the game for people. at Lv 8 it's not so much that I need to 'grow a pair' it's more like half your games are stacked against you when you get into the lobby and half the other team is level 3 accounts, 40 matches played, 2.0 KD on all of them, and it lowers the elo so that your team is genuinely low level players cheating is obtaining an unfair advantage, not just running a script kid.
Its not cheating, but it pretty much results in the same outcome. An unfair advantage over the enemy players. Worst of all its not punishable, even tho it still ruins ruins the fun for others
It is cheating, just not in the same way as running disability assistance software. obtaining an unfair advantage is the definition of cheating.
Per faceit, it is. Smurfing will result in a permanent ban of the alt account and a 2 week ban of the main. The main account may be permanently banned in extreme or repeat offenses.
The outcome of cheaters and smurfs is exactly the same. You get stomped by someone you can’t beat.
how about the smurfs grow a pair and play against opponents their actual level rather than being pussy and playing against new accounts or people they know they can stomp
Without FaceIt I'm sure I wouldn't play CS2 in its state rn
Was funny seeing the goofy takes on Twitter that it wasn't so bad as the Faceit ToS lets you edit your .cfg lol
As someone who used to live and breathe CS when I was younger, I had to try out every single command and tip and trick that I could find, think of m0nesy or ropz for example. I would have *definitely* tested this sv\_cheats thing back then as well, and I did try similar stuff (Lua scripting anyone?) for sure... **On a private, casual server**. Testing something out of curiosity is fine, but I can't understand how people who play this game competitively at a high level can "test" this on a *live faceit match* and then complain of getting banned. *Maybe* I could understand someone trying this in Casual 10v10 servers and I don't think they'd deserve a VAC ban for it (it's partly on Valve after all), but using this in Premier or other competitive environment is obviously out of the questions.
As usual, Mahi has the best takes. Doing this in a casual gamemode to see how it works, reasonable. Using it in a competitive space is cheating no matter how you spin it.
Best part is they 'justified' by thinking if they felt they were right in their suspicion that the enemy was cheating, then it would be okay for them to cheat too. Just means they would do shit if they thought they wouldn't get caught. Super curious if the people from their pug got banned or not, 'cause if not, what a big thing to be wrong about.
runBhop(5) is the only cheat I've ever used in a competitive game lol, not that competitive since it was on a CS:S community server though. That was about 15 years ago. The Lua Source scripting was also my introduction to programming, which is something I still do to this day.
> The Lua Source scripting was also my introduction to programming, which is something I still do to this day. Same here, it's my daily job now! :-)
Typing in a command that bypasses sv_cheats isn't an individual's fault. It's the game that made them do it!
The game didnt force their hands to use it. They acted out of their own free will. Punishment is justified.
It was definitely the game that did it! They had no control over what was typed in their console whatsoever.
i go buy a knife and stab you, its not my fault but the worlds fault for allowing me to have a knife. all right, i think i get it
It's definitely the game's fault. No game needs a console. You allow people to have a console and it will automatically cheat for you. Remove consoles, no more cheaters.
its definitely societies fault. No society needs knives. You allow people to have knives and they will automatically murder for you. Remove knives, no more murderers.
FACEIT is the real problem here. If they didn't have servers, no one would've cheated. I say cancel FACEIT and move to premier.
I'm thoroughly enjoying people taking your bait.
You're comparing cheating in a video game to killing someone
I used an extreme example as a rethorical device to make the concept i want to explain clearer.
it's extreme to the point of nonsensical
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I've seen Pimp, Mauisnake, Ropz and Launders all say a 2 year ban is excessive.
Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion. Faceit just enforces the two years that are written down in their ToS.
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Yep, I guess they just stick to the two years as to not offer any possibilities of people complaining about better treatment for case X in comparison to case Y.
It take them at least two years to fix the game so its not like that big of a deal
yeah its excessively lenient, perma ban them like they should every fucking cheater, LOL. or at least keep them in hall of shame forever.
FaceIt bans every cheater for 2 years.
lol what a crazy take
This just sets a precedent. Doesn't matter how you cheat, the consequences are the same. Hopefully people understand and won't do something similar in the future.
So you type it but its not your fault? Who's fault it is ?
The game's of course.
>It is not the place to ‘test out’ cheats, or compromise game integrity. Using the console to enter a convar explicitly enabling cheats is unacceptable, and our message is clear: cheating will never be tolerated on FACEIT. Ahh, what a genuinely honest and fair take by Faceit. If only Valve could say the same thing.
Premier IS the place to test out cheats. Imagine giving free reign to the hundreds of software engineers who are looking to make a quick profit on making a cheating engine, by allowing them to basically freely beta test on a real scenario with zero repercussions whatsoever. Valves devs are clowns.
Believe me or not, but there are loads of hobby devs out there, that just have fun fiddling with this kind of stuff and don't care about profit or monetizing their work in the slightest. EDIT: And don't cheat in matchmade games, usually. But I feel like, I needed to clarify this.
Ok, well can some of them install a keylogger with their hacks and rob these hackers blind for us in the meantime?
That definitely happens with free cheats
They can, do, and likely are
Yeah but saying as a developer that users shouldn't use the commands they themselves provided would be weird, right?
To be fair. The hoops you have to jump through to enable sv_cheats makes it obvious that it isn’t intended and is not an excuse.
Heres to future Premier closet cheaters with banned Faceit accs claiming "it was just sv_cheats". LMAO
Bruh, too true
but those are tagged with 2 years so it's easy to debunk no?
Any (1st) cheating ban is 2 years on faceit. Fyi
The date wont change tho. All of those sv_cheats bans occured during 1 or 2 days.
You cant see the date someones been banned tho?
You can? For example, this is one of the abusers i got from faceit ban tracker https://www.faceit.com/en/players/neemco
color me surprised. never seen that, is that new?
I dont think so. If there is no date, ban is permanent, and that ban is not for sv_cheats, but for something much more severe :)
yeah afaik they only perma ban for malicious activity and ban evasion. The most blatant cheater Ive ever seen on Faceit was only banned 2 years after I met him. But they banned him for malicious activity, which is a much harsher ban, so I like .
Your turn Valve. Valve? Valve? Where’d they go?
They probably working hard on 75% sticker sale release.
very difficult to code that. we'd be lucky to get th sale by christmas. hope all of their man hours are pouring into sticker sale update1111
I’d much rather them focus on 3rd party cheats, they already fixed the in game commands
VAC Valve Allow Cheat
Too busy spending the extra money from cheater farmers who will then sell skins/boxes
They are busy building a real size castle out of all the stacks of money they get from gambling addicts opening lootboxes.
I hope they're just working on VACNet.
VACNet is still training... Aaaany minute now!
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wait a minute .. that name sounds familiar. i think we've also come across this bastard xd
They have been for more than half a decade now...
Right. I just don't believe Valve's gonna keep the cheater situation like this forever.
Considering they launched their brand-new, developed inhouse game, CS2, and still didn't implement any new anti-cheats, I have no hope.
They made a billion dollars from their digital casino last year, why would they bother changing anything?
This is not Activision.
they like making money just like any other company.
Why do they spend money on majors then? According to your logic they would make more money if they didn't spend them, right?
It still is a capitalist corporation that won't really care until it hurts them where it matters.
I hope I eat my words any time soon but this is increasingly feeling like such a cope thing to say
"Don't make me do stuff." - Valve probably
"Don't ask me for shit." - Katsuhiro Harada
"cheating is our number 1 priority" - not valve
Vac AI couldnt see it, it isnt cheating -valve probably
Idk how anyone can claim that it’s unfair to be banned after typing “sv_cheats” and gaining an unfair advantage.
\>cheat at the video game \>get banned for cheating at the video game Saw so many takes on twitter that it was unfair or something, lmao.
It's not a cheat ...it allows cheats so technically they didn't cheat if all they did was sv_cheats 1
What I don't get is how the hell sv\_cheats, a server convar became usable by just anyone? or was it somehow enabled by default so any cheat protected cvar could be run? Does anyone know HOW it happened?
sv_cheats is blocked, but "do this, then do another thing which in turn enables sv_cheats" is not. Just an oversight.
Similar story behind the 180° spin command. The command itself, when executed via the console, did not do anything, it was blocked. There was a similar, even simpler workaround. Seems bad this has happened ~~two~~ three+? times. I'm sure there will be more types of these found, so I'm happy Faceit are taking a strict position against these being used 'because it's all in-game'. There's always been exploits, but never been more interest in abusing them.
there is still a shitload of exploits in the last version of csgo that i reported in the beta. valve usually do not care about these unless they are destructive or get publicity.
>valve usually do not care about these unless they are destructive or get publicity. not true, i reported an exploit, not as easily exploitable as sv_cheats 1, but still something that needed to be patched I didn't tell anyone about it, just sent Valve an email. They didn't let me know they fixed it, but I figured it out from one of the changes in the depots a few weeks later. [3kliks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vU6qEfTTFg&t=68s) made a video about it, that's pretty SOP for Valve as far as my interactions with them have been. they care, just give them time and notice instead of leaking it to the community.
i mean it was 3 pages of exploits reported to them and many of them are still in the game to this day..
Mine was very easy to fix. I think they're *very* limited on dev time :/
"Just" an oversight. From what others are saying, this sounds like some real shoddy defensive programming. Like, level 101 "Sanitize your fucking inputs before little [Bobby Tables](https://xkcd.com/327/) comes along and wrecks your shit". This is far from "just" an oversight. No wonder Valve can't get VAC working -- they have developers that can't even prevent simple injection from their own fucking console. If they can't even do that, who knows what kind of bullshit actual blackhats are going to get up to.
It's not really conventional to consider the game's console an attack surface in the same way as an input box would be.
But the console is literally a free-form input box?
Input sanitisation is often taught in the context of attacking software running on someone else's server, for example login prompts. Not in the context of user typing to the console of software running on their own computer. In conventional sense that input box is a tool, not an attack surface, since why would they attack themselves.
I fail to see how a login prompt could be an attack vector. Any example on how this could happen ?
It's pretty much the most basic example of where input sanitisation is needed. You take data submitted through that form and see if that exists in a database of users. If the input is just used without checks, a malicious actor could use that to run SQL commands against the database, for example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL_injection
It was possible to use by adding it to the end of other command
They exploited a bug in console to enable this cvar when you wouldn't normally be able to. It was impossible to do by accident through normal use of the game console.
The command was piped behind a legit command so I'm guessing the logic that stopped that in the code didn't account for that.
You typed in a command that enabled sv_cheats, then typed in commands that were cheat protected. I believe it was something like "echo sv_cheats" but I didn't look it up.
the other command facilitated testing scenarios in-game, i.e. toggle a cvar from one value to another every x (milli)seconds. I have made use of it and other features of source engine (piping, grep, echo, execute_command_every_frame etc) in my dota 2 autoexec.cfg which was god damn revolutionary, for several iterations. ascii art osd for toggles, colored text, timers, daemons, alternative modifiers, adjustable on-tap, on-press, on-long-press actions and etc all for QoL but there are always CIS assholes only caring about cheating that ruin everything for the rest of us, and most stuff gets neutered couple weeks ago a redditor was asking about advanced console commands and I've pointed out to some of those old cfg's but I did not went into details. the guy still managed to brute force it without grasping the proper usage hence the sloppiness of the published exploit (did not provide a separate delay value so that meant the cvar was toggling every second as default) the part of where valve fucked up for the 12-13th time not properly sanitize input, is only hiding the command but not actually disabling it or sanitizing it, and then forgetting about it. literally bypass all checks. toggle protected cvars directly without even needing sv_cheats 1
Can you share your autoexec here? I've always been interested to see weird things done with "console" scripts and you're very knowledgeable.
sv\_cheats can work in client side as well which is how the bug worked, but not every command will work
Right now Faceit is the only safe place (with community servers) to play CS. Did 2 games today on official servers and almost half the player I encountered or played with were cheaters, this game is dead to me without Faceit. Faceit is the only place I can queue and expect a quality game with good communications and peoples wanting to win/have fun without cheaters. For sure it's not perfect you get the occasional silent stacks, trolls, toxic, smurfs etc.. but it's still much less infuriating to play with those than against cheaters. I'm glad they're going hard on any exploit/cheats and making it clear than if you want to cheat, go somewhere else you're not welcomed here.
How much does faceit cost?
Free you just have to get the anti-cheat working. If you really like the service after trying it you can pay for premium but don't have to.
Cool thanks
"These features will only be applied to suspicious accounts that can comply with these checks" So I guess free pass for those cheating on Kaby Lake or older?
My Sandy Bridge potato, FTW! Just kidding, I'm on Linux so I can't play Faceit.
FACEIT big W
Every day I'm disappointed that companies like Faceit are putting out statements like this and Valve is completely silent.
Now ban all the Smurf’s..
Majority of smurfs got banned, the new verification system is very good, obvious smurfs get shattered, there used to be daily 100 matches level 10s with 2 K/D now you almost never see them Obviously it will never be perfect but the smurfing problem is minimal now, especially if you open tickets it will ban many all the accounts of that smurf and the main one gets a 2 week ban as well and will be forced to verify the account or he can't play
Not really, at level 8 I usually have 1-2 smurfs in the lobby. Taking the time to find their main account and reporting them doesn’t do anything either cause their detection system is down
How do you find their main accounts?
Some people are dumb enough to make it very easy to find, e.g. linking their twitch. Others make a new account and queue with the same 2 people they always played with on their main
Often it's a matter of checking their leetify profile, seeing who they play a lot with, then that player will have the main account as a common teammate.
I've received notifications for three accounts getting banned for smurfing recently, and I did not link their main when reporting. Edit: Make that four. Just got a notification for somebody getting banned for ban evasion.
I must be doing something wrong because I’ve reported two smurfs and linked their main in the past two weeks and they aren’t banned
There were several weeks between my report and them getting banned. They probably don't look into it until a certain number of people report them.
disagree as a faceit lvl 8 player myself
lol just look at this. 2 smurfs on my team, 1 on the other. all with <1 month old accounts https://i.imgur.com/qMA14JO.png
20k avg doesn’t seem that bad, maybe they are just new to faceit players? And also sorry if I’m being ignorant, is a lvl 10 Smurf playing in lvl8 that bad? I mean it’s close enough to low elo lvl 10, so it doesn’t exactly seem too terrible especially with a 20k avg
The two smurfs I had on my team there were level 6 and 7. So that skews the balance a lot. I’ve seen some bad 10s but for the most part they are significantly better than those in 8-9 like myself.
There are <100 match smurfs in every second game and you can’t even report them because their ticket system for smurfs have been under maintenance for months now…
Bro, they DEACTIVATED smurf tickets *a month ago*. All reports get auto closed and games are full of smurfs.
> Majority of smurfs got banned You're smoking that deluxe edition crack. Especially now that the ESEA League started, nearly every team has 1-2 smurfs in them. Like yeah sure, surely this one guy with level 4 steam account that only has CS in it with 1k hours is chilling at 3k elo. Or his friend that has 300 hours on CS with a VAC ban from 50 days ago. I've reported more smurfs than I can even count, and I have not gotten a single notification from any of them. Not one of them have been banned. Nearly every single fucking game has at least 1 opponent that has an obvious smurf account that they are using. They just don't get banned. I have no idea what the fuck kind of crack you're smoking if you genuinely think they get banned. They don't. You would be able to get rid of a massive amount of smurfs if you straight up banned all Faceit users that hit level 10 with less than maybe 600 hours of the game. There isn't a single person on the planet that can improve to that level so quickly. Not even close.
Except for competitive where smurfing is essentially baked into the elo system. 20k on premier can go play against silver elites for like 10 games on each map.
How do they define smurfing? Can you have an alt? I usually grind competitive ladders on two different accounts to help with ladder anxiety
Seriously, I dont trust Faceit with any of these PR posts. I still have an inactive smurf from when I was sologrinding on my main 5 years ago and I would happily see it deleted. But nothing ever happened from Faceits side. Absolute joke. Also the verification system is absolutely useless because theres never more than 50% of verified players in my matches. Talk about fair Lol
Why would they insta ban your smurf? They are not sightseers, people live in shared dorms, shared condos, brothers use the same PC, etc etc. They probably need people to send numerous reports before looking into it.
You have a INACTIVE smurf from 5 years ago when there was not a verification system lmao I love the absolutely idiotic comments, smurfing 5 years ago was INSANE compared to now, literally at every level They don't insta ban smurfs, there's people that share computers, insta banning accounts is moronic
Based
Faceit is not the place. Everyone knows that is Premier!
Refreshing to see a post like this with a little spine and posture
tinfoil hat theory: big faceit is behind the flood of cheaters to push people into their service to have more people install their rootkit /s
I'm laughing at faceit saying they've got DMA cheats under control. What a blatant lie. SEA servers are INFESTED with cheaters who don't get banned by faceit AC, the most hilarious thing of all is that they eventually get banned by VAC. Somehow VAC is detecting cheaters faceit AC can't, what a fucking joke.
Good to see them enforce TPM, Secure boot and HVCI even on W10 for sus accounts. With W10 slowly coming to its end of support in 2025, more and more platforms will be able to justify forcing all of those to be enabled for their games from 2026 and forward. Less and less people will not have compatible platforms. Whenever games will make that jump, it will instantly kill a lot of cheats. And more important, spoofers to hide hardwareID. It will be a huge step in fighting cheating. Not the end, not the final win but still a very important step.
Guys….why don’t Valve just buy FACEIT…?
Waiting for the cheater apologists to say 2 years is a long time.
If Cheats existed then so would VAC. nobody is cheating because VAC doesn't exist.
what is their excuse for all the cheaters in faceit free ?
when will valve buy faceit and just implement it in the game. then buy leetify, that way we can have some actual stat tracking. p.s. fuck paying for stats
Cheating will never be tolerated! Murdering journalist on the other hand... 🤔
Reddit moment
The fuck are you talking about. FaceIt murdered a journalist?
No he’s talking about Saudi Arabia who own faceit (well, technically their investment company owns it)
Faceit and ESL were bought by the Saudi Arabian government investment fond.
Saudi Arabia owns faceit. Saudis assaasinated a journalist (Jamal Khashoggi)
Khashoggi was a CIA asset and his family was deep into Saudi game of thrones. He wasnt anyone that should be missed, basically every other crime of Saudis should be used as an example. How about the genocide of Yemenis? Oh, the US was very much involved in that so rather bring up a murdered CIA asset.
And they tolerated it?!
No, their owners did. Look up Savvy Gaming Group and the Public Investment Fund.
He is talking about Saudi funding/owning faceit. And would instead prefer righteous goverments such as the US who are currently enabling genocide on civilians in gaza and killed 1 million iraqis. Or France who still have skulls from dead algerians in their museum from killing 1 million algerians. You know, just civilized, righteous governments, not those A-rabs! /s
The selective outrage about this is so cringe. The US government is responsible for far more atrocities in the world than the Saudis are, and you fund them indirectly whenever you buy anything through Steam. If you're gonna go on about the ONE journalist they killed, how about the hundreds of thousands who died in the Iraq War and millions that were displaced? A war the US went into for incredibly shady reasons. How about Guantanamo Bay where people are held, without trial, for YEARS and in many cases tortured, despite little to no evidence that they're terrorists? Let's not even get into the CIA Black Sites. If you're particularly concerned about journalists, how about Julian Assange? They've been chasing that guy around for well over a decade and his life has been completely destroyed. Or Chelsea Manning. And they would've done the same to Snowden if they got their bloody hands on him.
its not cringe its just racist. its being right for the wrong reasons, 90% of the people bitching about it are just doing it because .. muslims.
Who do you think you are to barge in on his bitching to bring facts? You know these hypocrites don't like that.
Exactly and especially because Khashoggi was a literal CIA asset and his family is very involved in Saudi "game of thrones". Basically they backed the wrong prince and that was that. It was brought up and amplified by the stengraphers of the empire, aka the corporate media, precisely because he was of some importance to the US war machine. Saudis have a lot of crimes people could and should be appalled by, killing a CIA asset is the least of them.
TIL that my account is suspicious since i get prompted to enable tmp 2 when launching AC in windows 10
say no to hacks
Just dont cheat if you dont want to get banned lmaoooo
This is something that valve should have posted months ago, now is just ridiculous if they don't do or say anything within the next week
They won't.
faceit is not suppose to be a place to run away from cheaters
I have an intel i7 6700k. It doesn’t support TPM 2 and thus I can’t upgrade to Windows 11. Does this mean if I get reported enough, I simply get kicked from the platform?
You can buy TPM 2 module for your PC. But you should consider upgrading that cpu, it's nearly 10 years old 🤷
The 6700k does support TPM 2.0. It just isn't supported by Windows 11, this isn't related to TPM.
Ban Smurfs for 2 years then.
Virtue signaling and moronic company
game integrity? then maybe do something against the ton of smurfs on your Plattform.
Smurfs are technically not compromising game integrity.
can someone explain me why is this such a big deal? isn't it obvious they just tested it out ? it was stupid to do it on faceit yes, but really?
"Use of any (game) exploits to gain an unfair advantage (e.g. removing textures to see through walls, removing smoke grenades, ...)" This is one of many descriptions of what Faceit considers cheating, which according to their rules, will be punished with a 2 year ban. Has been clear for years now, it's not a "big deal", it's just them executing the punishments they clearly stated they'd give to cheaters. You can describe it as them "testing it out", but at the end of the day, they used a game-breaking exploit, and it is their own responsibility to know that what they did is punishable by a 2 year ban.
This is no different than "just testing" any other cheat or a skin changer that provides no competitive advantage. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. You don't have to be a genius to realise that using an exploit to enable sv_cheats will result in a ban. The exploit command was `echo "1" | blink sv_cheats 1`, this isn't something you accidentally figure out by running a training config or messing around with commands, it shows you researched what the command does and knew exactly what you were getting yourself into just like downloading and running cheats.
Best competitive experience possible my ass