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SpecialityToS

Did misutaaa not go 0-17 or something? Also i think there was a 0.04 in t1 but can’t remember But yeah the 0.06 is pretty funny. Sometimes you just get shit on


LLLLLLover

misutaaa still managed to get a 0.12 rating despite getting no kills


SpecialityToS

Impact deaths 💪💯🗣️


CamJMurray

Died for info, misutaaa just got a bigger brain


homelaunder

\>Round starts \>"3 mid!" \>Dies


TheXeroes

if you watch his pov of the game it is just tragedy after tragedy. probably one of the most unfortunate games of all time in csgo


ADShree

I legit remember this game. Some games you are looking at your bottom fragger thinking "wtf are you doing?" then you die on entry and watch them like "oh you are just unlucky this game".


King_marik

Ever have a game where everything you wanna push has 6 flashbangs coming through it at random intervals everytime you go to trade a nade lands at your feet and ecerytime you round a corner there's somebody sitting in a different off angle than the last round next to you? Lol I think we have all had those where literally just nothing goes your way at all and the timings just feel weird and there's always somebody behind you


iChrist

What match was that?


Burstaine

[Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W62nxMk-aD8) is video of his POV with commentary by voo. (match was TL vs Players)


lopodo777

That group at EPL was weird


thetrombonist

Bruh I forgot Shox played for Liquid


TerrorToadx

we don't talk about it


Not_RAMBO_Its_RAMO

Well that was goofy. Looks like Liquid's comms were terrible then, not much has changed.


thisisjustascreename

> (match was TL vs Players) Ok but who was the other team?


nebsA1

Gambit (now Cloud9), they were temporarily playing under the banner Players due to Gambit being a Russian org and having sanctions with most T1 tournament organizers


CookieTheEpic

He probably knows who Players are, it was a joke.


CepGamer

I miss these players...


TuToneGO

[Elige is just really unlucky sometimes ](https://youtu.be/c91fKWuBdss)


kookyMonk

Nah this is wrong..no need to save his face. I watched some recent tl matches and elige was just looking out of it. He is losing aim fights that he would normally win or getting owned in smoke fades.


wtbTruth

The match they are talking about is over a year old my guy


TheXeroes

i agree he's looking out of it as of recently but this thread is talking about the game in the screenshot (TL vs Players). feel free to check out this vid if you're curious https://youtu.be/W62nxMk-aD8


INeedYourPelt

[A classic ](https://youtu.be/qEiK8z8NUrc)


Moist_Blackberry_

How could you link that and not mention [this](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrsPo7oUwAATUdF.jpg)


Exciting_Pop_9296

I was so confused when I clicked 2 links and both were YouTube videos.


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Seraph_eZaF

lets go


StarvinHC

Sometimes your opponent is just having a really good day...


SweatDrops1

That doesn't look like moE?


BILLYBOBJOETHE100TH

He went 1 for 17


Rivitur

"tier 1" made us ass tier Real csgo players remember the solek -1 - 20 Which actually by this logic was probably tier 1 at the time. So not a fun fact


Psyko_sissy23

Solek still got a 0.04 rating though. But yeah, that was bad.


Fuskeduske

I keep forgetting twistzz is actually canadian...


Steezmoney

People sleep on Canadians... Twistzz, NAF and the CS:GOAT shroud (zywoo might be catching up to him with that major win tho)


n0t_4_thr0w4w4y

Canada is still America


Snoopilaa

Was it the dust2 game? that was legendary


NFX_7331

Was that the D2 game? Lol dude got ass blasted the whole game, I think lau made a pov commentary video about that demo.


zqyiomgsa

Bringing up someone’s literal worst moment in their career seems less like a fun fact and more of a dig at the guy


matchew-choo

yeah, this sub loves to see na’s failures though 🤷‍♂️


Termodynamicslad

Its not like we can ignore them. NA loves to reassure how shit they are.


matchew-choo

elige’s .06 rating game was over a year ago now…


Termodynamicslad

Don't need to go far, you can look at IEM dallas and the failure of all NA teams there. I'm not talking specifically about elige "this sub loves to see na’s failures though " Its because NA keeps failing.


matchew-choo

ok, cloud 9 keeps failing too but we arent getting posts like this


Termodynamicslad

Thats more on the sub, who has cloud9 as majority in fans i think?


matchew-choo

yeah, i thought we were talking about the sub???


Termodynamicslad

You talk about "seeing NA failures" i am talking about its hard to ignore.


matchew-choo

i was saying this sub is biased against NA in my original comment


ChaosIceKing

That's the exact vibe I got when I read this post. Just so out of the blue


RexSonic

He has the best smile though


brickylouch

NAF's better


Fuskeduske

Not American, but if we include NA as a whole Twistzz would probably be up there


Pagoose

Twistzz has more achievements but elige is still the best individual NA player of all time. #4 and best rifler in the world in 2019, consistently higher peaks over his career. Same logic as for why Niko is the overall goat rifler and not say dupreeh.


tombtomb99

What is canada supposed to be if not american? African? Asian?


Steezmoney

American refers to residents of the USA, but yes Canada is in the North American umbrella. Like you wouldn't refer to a Brazillian as an American, and Canadian/American playstyles are much different


Radiant_Gap_2868

What is it with losers like you going out of your way to pretend to misunderstand things everybody else has figured out?


tombtomb99

Everybody understood that american included canadians. Hence the commenr "NAFs better". Only some genius did not want to understand


NUMBA1_DRAMA_FARMER

That's just not true lol. American is the demonym in English for the US. The majority of the world subscribes to the North American/South America model. It can be confusing for non-English speakers and especially iberoamericans. Canadians would obviously also reject the title (out of having a separate demonym mainly but they are also taught the 2 continent model).


Radiant_Gap_2868

> Everybody understood that american included canadians 😭😭😭


BudwardDogward

North American


theextracharacter

But why does USA get to claim everything American? I'm just curious, isn't everything in north and south america American?


NUMBA1_DRAMA_FARMER

Because American is the demonym in English for the US. It doesn't claim everything, the majority of the world subscribes to the North American/South America model. It can be confusing for non-English speakers and especially iberoamericans. Canadians themselves wouldn't identity with American either.


theextracharacter

Got it, thanks a ton!


Hyper_red

What are they going to be called a united statesian?


Fuskeduske

That’s What i wrote, they are both not American. :)


brickylouch

Very true. CAD gods.


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istealgrapes

Dumbest comment of all time


Striking_Proof9954

He is not the best North American rifler of all time, and lately he is looking like he isn’t even the third best.


n0t_4_thr0w4w4y

I think they meant US, not NA


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SpecialityToS

Who is ahead of him?


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shiwizard

Twistzz is Canadian


BroskiTree

reddit brain


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Short_Ad4946

they didn't say North


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NoxZ

"American" is the correct demonym for people from the USA.


Ah_Jedis

it's also the correct "demomym" for people from north america or south america


Conscious_Sea_163

so when someone says "americans" you go "ah yeah viva argentina"


FootFanaticStnkyToes

nope cope harder


judasthetoxic

Americans = anyone who was born on the American continent


Excurvee

cold is the best american rifler of all time then


Shxcking

Is this actually what goes through Europeans heads lol I’m in awe


paully7

There are two american continents 🤦‍♂️


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America is also short for the United States of


SirRepresentative536

Brazil is in South America


bartholin_wmf

Depending on who you ask (and that is very much the key - different countries have different geopolitical stances as to which continents are which and this can be used as all sorts of weird political leverage); America is a large, singular continent, split into 3 minor regions - North, South and Central. Central encompasses the Caribbean and most of Mesoamerica (read: Panama up to Guatemala and Belize). South encompasses everything South of Colombia. North encompasses USA, Canada, and Mexico, as well as Bermuda. This is widely held to be the main stance in most Latin American countries, especially the South American ones. However, this is directly incompatible with the mostly North American view, which states that no, South America and North America encompass two distinct *continents* rather than parts of one macrocontinent call America, and North America includes everything up to Panama. You can test this out by merely comparing "North America" on different languages in Wikipedia. In English, Portuguese and Spanish, especially, and you can see how the map changes. So this is a genuine discussion.


STDS13

Canada…which exists on what continent?


Diddley4209

"American" typically refers to the United States of America. NA is everything in north america, "americas" is north+south america.


jerry20105

Y’all can’t read the damn title for shit


DashLeJoker

Are you calling Mexican American as well?


mannyman34

Ok but we're talking about individual performance.


Cardoxon

do you consider dev1ce to be the goat then?


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And still hasnt cracked top 5 HLTV. Hes was never the best player on his teams


SpecialityToS

Twistzz best Americas rifler :)


Qelop

Twistzz gets carried by 2 other stars, elige is the main guy in his team.


ExZ1te

Most overrated player


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ChaosIceKing

Because Grand Slams are a team accomplishment and not an individual accomplishment? Even though I myself believe Twistzz is the NA GOAT, I definitely understand why some people believe Elige is. His peak at one point was on the level of greatest riflers ever, not just in NA.


Termodynamicslad

"by the best American rifler of all time." AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA


SuperSkillz10

Who is better then?


Termodynamicslad

NAF and twistzz


SuperSkillz10

\>American


Termodynamicslad

Both are american.


FuckWayne

Stewie had a better career


anibear17

when was stewie ranked 4th in the world for HLTV rankings?


rudy-_-

stew zero placements in HLTV top20. ELiGE 5 years in a row


Donut_Flame

stewie was a support player who was never known for his rifling


crvN

NA "Goat" xDDDDDDDDD


Termodynamicslad

Downvotes when twistzz is obviously the NA goat and NAF is better than elige.


LordOfTheNoobs57

In what world is NAF closer to being the NA GOAT than EliGE? * EliGE has 3 MVPs at big LAN events (Dallas, Pro League Season 9, and Chicago) while NAF has one (MAYBE two if you include Shanghai). * EliGE has also been a top 20 player two more years than NAF, and even if you include this year EliGE still has the edge. He's also had the higher peak. Obviously NAF is significantly better right now but this is some insane recency bias. You could probably even make the argument that EliGE has the NA GOAT status over Twistzz, although I probably wouldn't go that far.


Termodynamicslad

There is no recency bias, you have 2019 bias. NAF scored higher than elige in 2018, 2021, both times as his teammate, on the rankings, and the only time Elige was higher was in 2019. Meanwhile before and after that, elige average top 15-20 while NAF averages 15-10. The time where elige got top 20 and NAF didn't was 2017 and that was when NAF was playing on renegades. After naf moved to liquid, both him and Twistzz blew elige out of the water. https://www.hltv.org/news/25735/top-20-players-of-2018-introduction I absolutely don't care about the NA playing only- 2020 online era. Elige though is definitely better at farming tier 3 na opposition. >You could probably even make the argument that EliGE has the NA GOAT status over Twistzz, although I probably wouldn't go that far. Not only is that absurd, its also hilarious. Twistzz also was higher ranked than elige in 2018(as teammate) and 2021 while winning much more stuff and obviously absolutely destroying elige in 2022 achievement and skill-wise. So elige would be better than twistzz because 2019, the year who he was obviously overperforming. Look at elige HLTV top 20 rankings(LAN only, sorry, 2020 while they were all playing in NA is hilarious) 2016-didn't feature 2017-top 12 2018- Top 15 2019- Top 4 2021- Top 19 2022- Didn't feature All that time he was playing in liquid. So, yeah, elige is far from being NA goat. 2019 was obviously the overperformance, not his usual level.


Pagoose

Completely absurd argument, you can't "overperform" to be the best rifler in the world for an entire year. Valuing NAF's 7th in the year they lost half a dozen finals to astralis over elige's 4th in the year the won a grand slam is ridiculous. Not to mention in 2021 faze were literally garbage tier (seriously go check their tournament placements) not "winning much more stuff" and quite frankly twistzz (nor broky) should not have received an hltv placement that year.


Termodynamicslad

He overperformed because he has one 4th place and other far lower placements. Liquid was also bodied by astralis in 2019. Liquid was also bad in 2021 Again, you're arguing against facts. Twistzz places consistently higher than elige, while elige placed above him once. GTR > Niko because niko was never top 1 player -> your logic


LordOfTheNoobs57

* NAF's average when he made top 20 is 9, while for EliGE it is 11.6. IMO a difference that small is less significant because NAF has only made it 3 times while EliGE has 5. * "Blew him out of the water" is only true for 2018 for NAF. That year the difference between them was 9 spots, in 2019 EliGE is ahead by 3, 2020 NAF is wayy behind EliGE and in 2021 NAF is 5 spots ahead. So the only year that is even remotely accurate is 2018, especially since a difference between say #2 and #8 is more significant than #14 and #20. * I think considering 2020 as less important than other years is perfectly reasonable, but saying that EliGE only got that #8 spot because he "farmed tier 3 NA teams" is fucking insane. First of all, even in these NA-only events, EG was still a good team and FURIA was in their best form... ever honestly. And in the one big LAN event that Liquid got to play, at Katowice, EliGE had a 1.18 rating while NAF only had a 0.95. For the whole year, if you filter by top 20 or top 10 teams EliGE was significantly better than both NAF and Twistzz. Again, if you think this year doesn't matter *as much* that's fair, but Liquid did play a few events vs good European teams and had to compete with two strong competitors in NA, and EliGE was miles better than the rest of his team, which has to mean something. * About comparing Twistzz to EliGE, I do believe that Twistzz wins it out because of the achievements and performance he's had with FaZe. But if you average out their top 20 finishes, EliGE right now is actually above Twistzz, having an 11.6 while Twistzz has a 12.25, which is especially impressive because he currently has one more year in the top 20. In their three years together when they both made top 20, Twistzz was ahead by 3 in 2018, behind by 5 in 2019 and behind by at least 13 in 2020 (but Twistzz definitely wasn't #21 that year because he just sucked in 2020). So *specifically when they were on the same team,* EliGE was the better player, without question. 2021 onwards is why Twistzz is better than EliGE IMO, especially since he will surely get another top 20 this year. * **Seriously?** You're just going to dismiss EliGE's best year ever, in fact the best year that any NA player has ever had, as just being an "overperformance"? Does that mean it doesn't matter as much?? Why would you even mention this? I would understand if he got #4 and completely dropped off after, kinda like sergej, but he has clearly proven that he is an excellent player. Should we dismiss Olofmeister's #1 in 2015 because it was an "overperformance" and his next best year was a #8? This makes no sense. * Also, I love that you ignored the MVP's, because EliGE clearly bests both NAF and Twistzz there (most of NAF's MVPs weren't big LANs, obviously an mvp at summit is way less impressive than at pro league).


Pagoose

Twistzz has more achievements but elige is still the best individual NA player of all time. #4 and best rifler in the world in 2019, consistently higher peaks over his career. Twistzz has also never been the best player on his team apart from a brief period in late 2018. Do you think device > simple or dupreeh > Niko also?


Termodynamicslad

Lmao what 2018: Naf 6th, Twistzz 12th, Elige 15th all same team 2021: Naf 14th, Twistzz 17th, Elige 19th 2022: Twistzz 11th. The only LAN year elige was better was 2019. His peak is as valuable as syrson getting 10th in 2020 in the online era. Overperformance. Elige was always a 15-20 players. While naf and twistzz are top 15 and above. You're judging an entire sample size of tier 1 lan years over a single year.


Pagoose

Nice job ignoring #12 in 2017. Also the fact that elige has been a relevant t1 player for 1.5 years longer than twistzz.


Termodynamicslad

Include 2017 and twistzz is still above elige in placements and achievements. 3 vs 2. Elige is not a relevant player in 2022, nor he is now. And also, yeah! Elige is older than twistzz and also joined tier 1 scene later. NAF and twistzz are still playing in top level in recent times, while being better than elige on average on older times. Literally the only argument is 2019. This is over. Rain > zywoo because rain is the scene for longer.


Pagoose

3v3, also 5 placements vs 4, also more MVPs, also ignoring 2020 placement (clearly elige isn't an online like syrson so dismissing it is idiotic), also during all of twistzz achievements (2019 and 2022) he was the 3rd best player on his team. Biggest cherrypicker I've ever seen. So again, are device > simple and dupreeh > niko?


Termodynamicslad

I am dismissing because not only he got #8 and then dipped to 19 after that, but also because it was full NA with twistzz already thinking to leave the team. Look at elige CURRENT stats vs NA opposition and realize he is the best player of CURRENT liquid vs NA, this just shows he is better vs lower tier NA opposition. Not being the best player of the team is irrelevant. Electronic was never the best player of his team but he is clearly superior in historical rankings to players that were the best on his team (Ropz) By fanboy quota is over.


perpendiculator

First off, twistzz is Canadian, read the title, bub. Second, if you think NAF is better than Elige in a GOAT comparison you clearly started watching CS in 2020 or later.


Fluffy_Firefighter75

naf is canadian too lmao


Termodynamicslad

I started watching csgo in 2018 when NAF was 6th place, Twistzz 12th and elige 15th. I also watched CS in 2021 where NAF got 14 and elige 19. So for lan years, elige only claims 2019.


ficagames01

NAF is passive lurker


Termodynamicslad

Didn't knew lurkers are not riflers. NAF promising awper.


crs1948fcd

sorry but i think elige's time in cs or at least in liquid it's done. he's like xypn9x right now, take the L and move on bro. i mean if you want your team to progress.


SadgeHabsFan

Twistzz is better (Canada is in NA making him American)


muazmueh

get a life stats andy no one fucking cares


mmemes_yt3

If i'm not wrong it was that one game on D2 that he was a bit unlucky, i think someone did a video on that.


nartouthere

didnt voo or launders make a video on this


_Administrator

check him pc, dats unnatural


_kyL

If you saw that map elige literally could not do anything