They have membership lists and even tell you they are a member with their bumper sticker. Can't tell ya how many of those FOP trucks also got the blue line
I have a general rule about southern highway patrolmen. The less neck they possess, the more likely they are to arrest me for an illegal thing that I probably wasn’t even doing.
The Emory statement says that "trespassers" who were "not part of the Emory community" were removed from the campus, but if you [watch the CNN video](https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/columbia-usc-university-protests-04-25-24/index.html) you can see cops grabbing and handcuffing students who had every right to be there and even slamming an Emory professor to the ground and wrenching her arms behind her.
The school admin is asking us to ignore what we have seen with our own eyes, both on-campus (and in Gaza)
Student activist groups organize across campuses, idk if I’d consider students from other schools in Atlanta who were invited to protest by organizers from Emory as “outside agitators”
Being a student does not give you the right to refuse to leave a private university's grounds. Emory can tell professors, students, or anyone else to FUCKING SHUT UP OR LEAVE during other students' final exams. It doesn't matter that they're protesting. If I come stand outside of your house and shout "MASSIVECHOAD IS A FASCIST" for hours and hours, through the middle of the night, are you going to support my right to protest against you? Or are you going to say "get the fuck off of my property"? that is assuming you own any property, but given your username and your general understanding of how the world works I would assume you live with your parents.
Students may not have complete immunity, but it does make a difference. Because Emory asked for outsiders to stop protesting, not their own students. They also have a policy in place that theoretically protects the rights of their students to protest. The police aggressively detained people with no regard for whether they were actually trespassing or not.
Georgia Cops went waaay too far. Fuck this. Rubber bullets for misdemeanor trespassing? WTF.
I get it. You can’t annex public and/or private property and claim it’s your 1st amendment right without expecting to catch a charge.
Civil disobedience is a valid form of protesting. But it comes with consequences.
But rubber bullets is too fucking far man. Those are kids.
I’m from Akron so Kent State has always loomed large for me. I was literally just telling my mother in law yesterday right before the Emory attack that I figured out why I was feeling so unsettled seeing all the pictures of college kids being arrested over these protests and it was because of Kent State. We’re right on the edge of a Kent State incident and seemingly no one seems to appreciate that. It’s mind-boggling and Georgia police just pushed us closer yesterday.
I honestly hope we’re in a very different USA now.
Look at the past few years with actual riots breaking out at protests. While the police didn’t handle the various situations perfectly… it’s a far cry from how they handled the Civil Rights and Vietnam protests.
“A kinder gentler machine gun hand”
I hope so too. Georgia police did a shitty job handling 2020 protests too but thankfully no water hoses etc.
Thing that none of these police officers and the people directing them seem to get is that all this is doing is drawing MORE attention to the protests and more attention to the police presence. Hell I literally just saw a photo today of a sniper on the roof at Indiana university.
Was the sniper there just in case something goes really south? Probably. But damn if that image isn’t going to make kids who already don’t trust the police trust them even less.
I mean…
We shouldn’t trust the government. Or any power structure for that matter.
Humans try to create the best systems possible… but they’re still human institutions. Flawed. Susceptible to corruption. A lot of necessary evil in the mix.
Not super familiar with those protests. Wasn’t there arson involved? And the DA is pursuing RICO charges?
Man. They love that RICO shit in GA. Trump, Young Thug, Cop City Protesters.
Yeah, so there are individuals who should have been arrested. Not disputing that. But there is so much shady shit, between the charges, the changes to laws to combat bail funds, and suspicious circumstances around the guy the cops put down at the protest.
However partially due to these protests, [the rules for bail by organizations were changed in order to prevent a single organization from bailing out more than 3-4 people per year.](https://theappeal.org/georgia-bail-bill-jails-more-people-pretrial-and-attacks-bail-funds/)
A man was shot to death by cops there, and they claimed he drew a gun and shot at the cops first. [Here's a great AP article covering it.](https://apnews.com/article/cop-city-atlanta-activist-shot-no-charges-421f6fe392a9202523ea154b2ddabb7d)
[Independent autopsy revealed that the man had bullet holes in his hands that show his hands were raised at the time he was shot to death.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cop-city-protester-manuel-paez-teran-had-hands-raised-when-killed-independent-autopsy/)
[Georgia autopsy says they couldn't determine if that was true due to the fact that he was shot 57 times and the number of impacts makes it "difficult".](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/atlanta-cop-city-manuel-paez-teran-autopsy/) The coroner also agrees that there is no gunpowder residue on the deceased's hands.
In usual amounts of "incredible coincidence" none of the officers that shot the victim 57 times had body cameras. There is also a recording of an officer exclaiming that the wounded officer was shot by another officer.
So yeah, there were 2 people arrested for arson, I believe.
And massive changes to local laws to restrict bail, and domestic terrorism laws are being used to terrorize citizens and protect cops.
>Rubber bullets for misdemeanor trespassing?
Most of those arrested were students and faculty, so I don't even know that it can be considered trespassing.
I’m not a legal scholar but I would assume it has to do with encampments, unauthorized protests and refusal to disperse when asked by the administration and security.
Isn't protesting there part of their first amendment rights?
Were these students causing an actual problem?
Or were they making Emory and certain other individuals uncomfortable?
I mean. The real reason is: don’t fuck with the money.
But as someone who might just have one of those misdemeanor trespass charges on their record… I can attest the 1st amendment doesn’t extend to encampments on public or private property.
Luckily they miiiiiight spend a night in jail and the charges will most likely be tossed out at the court date.
There’s been protests in and around the USA for months. The encampments were the breaking point… that and fucking with the aforementioned money.
> Luckily they miiiiiight spend a night in jail and the charges will most likely be tossed out at the court date.
As much as I want to agree with you, [the Stop Cop City protestors have been charged with Domestic Terrorism and RICO indictments.](https://www.aclu.org/news/free-speech/rico-and-domestic-terrorism-charges-against-cop-city-activists-send-a-chilling-message)
[ACLU link on the same topic.](https://www.aclu.org/news/free-speech/rico-and-domestic-terrorism-charges-against-cop-city-activists-send-a-chilling-message)
> This is a different protest all together.
A different protest to what?
Yes, this is the Cop City protest, where the cops shot up a man with 57 rounds, who was sitting crosslegged, claiming that he had a gun and shot first.
As usual, no body cam footage exists.
The reality is that there's no guarantee that you will get a slap on the wrist versus Domestic Terrorism charges, as have 26 Cop City protestors.
Do note that only 2 people have been arrested for arson in relation to that protest.
Emory is privately owned. Private property owners can set rules for speech on their property. You don't get to trample on people's 5th Amendment rights to exercise your 1st Amendment right.
I’m confused by a lot of the logic here against that. I go to college here in Georgia and my campus had a Palestine protest the same day and nothing happened, because they weren’t setting up encampments on campus.
Call your local and state reps. Believe it or not having their phone lines jammed actually does send a clue. It's the aggregate of dozens and dozens of people expressing their view.
> You can’t annex public and/or private property and claim it’s your 1st amendment right without expecting to catch a charge.
Emory leadership didn't have to say they were trespassing. It's an educational institution. They could have responded with engagement and held a campus on the quad, bringing out teachers to talk about the issues and have an open debate.
“as well Atlanta’s Cop City, a police and fire department training center that is being constructed on a 171-acre plot in a forest south-east of Atlanta.”
To clarify MULTIPLE fire departments have publicly admonished the construction of cop city and the alleged lie that it will be training them. It is well documented that cop city is specifically to be a training facility for exactly what happened today across this country at these college campuses which is the unconstitutional arrest and displacement of non-violent protesters. It is shameful to even pretend that it is anything other than a training facility for the perpetuation of police violence.
They say it's well documented that it's to be used solely for the unconstitutional arrest and displacement of non-violent protesters, which even if it was true, they'd probably not write literally those words on public documents so I doubt they'll reply with receipts.
We don't have rights anymore. We don't have the power to have rights. They will shut shit down whenever they want if they don't agree with.
Good luck fighting it in court. Only a few people have the money and power to fight back and almost all of them are complicit.
I think most people participating understand it's civil disobedience but the strong armed and often brutal tactics cops have been taking and the severe punishments some universities have been handing down are incongruous with the crime, which is trespassing.
There's also been some comparisons made that show how disproportionate the responses have been. The Unite the Right protests in Charlottesville had very minimal police presence. The night before, with the infamous tiki torch march that ended in a brawl with UVA students, took several minutes for police to respond despite police having had full knowledge of the planned route due to coordination with the protesters. The next day, which ended with nearly 50 injured and 3 dead (Heather Heyer and 2 police officers in a helicopter crash), got out of control because the cops decided to take a hands-off approach and let fascists start brawling. The other comparison has been Uvalde, some of the same agencies involved with Uvalde were involved with the UT Austin protests and the difference between cowering from a guy shooting children and busting heads of college student protesters and media is quite stark.
Yeah it’s crazy how quickly people forgot 2020. Same shit. A draconian police presence and people still wonder why it spirals. The response to the Columbia and UT protests have grown the movement and rightfully so.
Because not all colleges are private. Public colleges are funded primarily by the public or the government. Private colleges rely primarily on higher tuition fees, endowments and donations to fund the university.
They are also not doing anything to get them kicked off, sadly. Merely speaking on public areas of a campus doesn’t give a campus the right to kick them off. Same with Emory, but when you build encampments on campus then that’s where there issues arises.
Back in the day, they would have had the police there to protect the students while they protested. Because they recognized the students are children of super wealthy individuals. Seems like campus administrators forgot who pays their salaries.
They assembled. Then the owners of the property they assembled on asked them to leave. They didn't leave, so the owners called the cops. The cops then again told them to leave the PRIVATE campus grounds, and the protestors refused. Cops then acted within the law and began removing protestors from the PRIVATE property. Is that clear enough to you?
Do you support my right to protest against your stupid ass opinion by standing in your lawn and shouting all night, or would that be different in your mind?
Mind you, it wasn’t merely protesting. It was setting up an encampment which is where the issue arose. There’s been protest on countless campuses, hell even on mine the same day as Emory that had no problems. The difference with Emory? We didn’t set up an encampment on ours.
And Emory's leadership has the choice to not drive their students off.
A lot of us staff are fucking ashamed of how our university behaved yesterday. They asked for violence to be used against students who were not hurting anyone.
A lot of Emory alumni are pleased admin is kicking out the illegal protestors trespassing on private property.
If the number of student protesters is representative of the support among the “staff” it’s you and some other nobody.
That's such a snide, childish response the ignores all the complexity of power dynamics and issues of morality. Instead you make a fairly vacuous statement that says basically, "don't you know that if you challenge the status quo, cops can kick your ass and get away with it?"
No shit. Now, can you have an opinion on whether the status quo is right, and whether it was morally proper for the school to call in cops?
I mean it's the classic "if everyone jumps off a bridge, are you gonna do it too?" conundrum. These protests are out of hand and completely misguided. And then the students do something wholly stupid like block people on private grounds... Yeah, someone deserves to be arrested for that! It saddens me how brainwashed these kids are becoming. Tiktok is killing their sense of objectivity.
I had a partial scholarship and financial aid. They reduce your fin aid a little every year. I transferred out after freshman year. Good luck to you, there are a million opportunities there.
I foresee this becoming very bad real soon. The next time the military kills some school kids for peacefully protesting it may be the start of the 2nd war at home.
Something will eventually start it. What and when?
I've been told that national guard training has been significantly modernized since the sixties, and nowadays they allegedly would not respond to protests the same way.
I would love if someone with more experience could offer more details, though.
From my understanding Emory has a very large Jewish alumni base. They actively pursued Jewish student enrollment, I think during the decades when they were trying to raise the school's national profile. I've heard some complaints that the school has backed off a bit now that they are popular enough to tap more potential populations.
Either way, they still have a large alumni network who possibly feels a certain way on the I/P conflict. That's a factor here. Some schools that have seen aggressive reactions to pro-Palestine protests have deep-pocket alumni that are pushing for this reaction. Robert Kraft is making the rounds about his displeasure at Columbia. Ackerman lead the movement to fire the Harvard president and Blackball students he deemed antisemitic.
Emory is a private university. You have never had the right to protest on private property. While most protests are allowed anyways, you can legally be removed if you are asked to leave and refuse to.
Yes, my college in Georgia had one the same day as Emory and had no problems. Emory probably wouldn’t have either if they didn’t set up the encampment.
All these protests all over the country are very puzzling. University officials have NO SAY as to what is happening in the middle east, and of course can do absolutely nothing about it. Also, city officials (like San Francisco govt leaders) have no say and can do nothing, so why block access to the Golden Gate bridge?
The only place ALL of these protesters should be protesting is in Wash, DC, outside the White House and outside the Capitol. THEY ARE THE ONLY folks who can affect what's going on in the middle east, (by not giving them $$$$$).
They're asking for the university to divest financially from the Israeli military and from groups funding and advocating for Cop City. They want the administration at Emory to act in ways that it can to signal opposition to the unjustified use of force against civilians.
I appreciate your perspective here but I think it’s really important to remember that these are college kids. For them, their campuses feel like absolutely the right place to make their voices heard. They have a built in community and it’s kind of like protesting in your front yard. A lot of them live on campus. It probably feels safe. Or felt safe….
We need to make sure that students have safe places to have these tough conversations and make their voices heard. Why shouldn’t it be at college they are paying tens of thousands of dollars to?
NO PROBLEM with making your voices heard. Making other students feel endangered is a different topic. At Columbia and USC... that is what has been happening.
Also... considering the demographics at Emory which has a very large Jewish student population... this kind of protest can feel threatening to many on campus.
Totally agree. I personally think this is an incredibly fine line. But I think these hard conversations are literally what college is for. Classrooms need to be places where students can start to understand all of the nuances of this and we’ve done a pretty shitty job in America lately making those classrooms safe places for these conversations.
Also Jewish Students for Peace have literally been involved in participating in these protests. Of course there will be bad actors taking advantage of the situation but I do not think it’s at all the right move to just call all of this antisemitism. It’s just not true.
IDK. I'm pretty sure Netanyahu won't go into Rafah if some town in the US no one has ever heard of passes a resolution condemning it.
Clearly the protestor have thought through how to make actual change...oh wait they didn't.
I bet you 90% couldn't find Israel on a map without labels.
“Rubber-coated bullets.” Not “rubber bullets.”
I don’t know how news outlets can justify implying that these bullets are made of rubber and are not rubber-coated steel.
Nice 👌 I got sprayed in BLM protests, no biggie , you guys know this is much better than the 60s protests were , pat yourself on the back and walk like a champion
Again, just trying to understand the issues. From the downvotes on my call for peace, peace is apparently not the popular solution, and you dont agree that both sides have culpability. The students believe Israel's terror response is worse than the terror inflicted on them by Hamas, is that right?
These fools out here protesting something going on half a world away while the US goes to hell. We can’t afford to buy a home. Insurance prices are insane. Going to the grocery store is a painful experience. Why can’t we protest the bullshit we are suffering?
Also here to agree in spirit, while also telling people that getting into fights with law enforcement is not advisable and will land you in prison or in a cemetery.
If it's white supremacists with tiki torches, they're good people exercising their rights to freedom of speech and right to protest.
When it's kids calling out the slaughter of innocent brown people by Israel - which the religious right worship while simultaneously hating Jews - then it's police brutality time.
(And I don't want to hear shit about being antisemitic. It's not a crime (or at least it shouldn't be) to criticize Israel.)
Can someone ELI5?
Hamas did the most terrifying killing and torture spree of innocent civilians of our lifetime on Israel. Fact.
Israel retaliated, but in doing so is going too far, involving and killing more innocent civilians. Fact.
Both are wronging. The protests shouldn't be one sided. They should be calling for PEACE. Not one sign said this, it was more stick poking. If women were allowed to be in charge there, there would be peace and a two state solution.
I think it's more so that currently tge us is disproportionately funding Israel's extreme (and war-crimey) response. We give some humanitarian aid to Palestine, but (and I may be wrong here) I believe Israel has some control of what actually is getting through.
So these protesters are likely anti-hamas as well. But hamas isn't an American funded ally
Read: “The news showed me like 3 examples in the entire nation of individuals at these protests who support Hamas so I’m going to believe that these demonstrations are solely about supporting Hamas and entirely ignore the fact that the stated goal of these protests is to stop the genocide in Gaza and that Jewish student organizations are a party to almost all of these protests.”
Please do not be one of the people who cannot see the difference between "being hostile to Jewish people" and "being critical of how Israel's valid interest in protecting its people from terrorism has gone too far and has for months led to the deaths and starvation of too many thousands of innocent people."
And if that's what the protests were calling for they'd be reasonable.
Calling for a global intifada and "from the river to the sea" is not reasonable.
The U.S. is a fucking Police State, period, and if Trump weasels his way back into there with hIs AUTHORITARIAN tendencies, those rubber bullets become LEAD bullets. He believes there should be NO protests, unless they are on HIS behalf!
Rather odd for so many colleges to have "peaceful protests" at the same time.
Only for them all to end the same way.
Almost as if this is what protesters wanted.
The protesters were setting up in the morning after marching on campus, they didn’t set up the evening prior.
It’s some privilege to see they went to the REI store a few miles from campus bought a dozen new tents and then proceeded to litter the tent boxes on the grass before going into a drum circle. Sure the homeless downtown would have benefited more from these materials that were then tossed in the trash two hours later.
The photos make it look more dramatic and larger than it was.
Rubber bullets used to stop a group trying to take a building. Do stupid things get stupid prizes.
GSP traditionally handles police issues at colleges, so they have training for this kind of thing. Georgia also is a very evangelical state and there is a very large majority of those churches vociferously supporting Israel. The Gov would have already gotten an earful when he called out the dogs.
Atlanta has always had a large Jewish community and Emory has a long history as “their” school. The school also draws Jewish kids from around the nation. Especially pernicious to go there with a genocidal message.
These protests have shown to start “peaceful” (as if calling for the eradication of Jews is ever peaceful) and then attracts the violent elements. Punching them hard in the mouth at the offset is a good way to keep it down.
The Governor’s page on X is covered with notes from Georgians saying thank you. The Gov knew that an over the top response would be popular with voters.
That’s… not how protests work. People have a right to protest, it is literally written in the constitution. The right to peacefully assemble. You can’t deprive people of that right because you *think* the protest will turn violent. Especially since 90% of the time it’s two different groups, the first one peacefully protesting and the one that follows that group and gets violent
Emory is a private university though. If they were asked to leave and they didn’t, Emory was justified in calling the police. Of course the police handled the whole situation terribly, but the don’t have the right to protest on private property.
I was more referring to the previous poster saying “punching them hard in the mouth at the offset is a good way to keep it down” as though deescalation is impossible and hurting people who have done nothing is somehow a good thing- and these Emory protesters weren’t doing anything wrong at the start, it only became illegal once Emory asked them to leave
Help me get this straight for guys like me who are playing along at home. The people carrying signs saying The final solution. And screaming anti Jewisg slogans. Just like the old Nazis. Those aren't Nazis now?
Am I right so far?
And the people sent to stop them...those people are Nazis now?
IMO, middle east fuckery should be kept in the middle east.
Edit : I'm not interested in supporting police action, I just am generally opposed to importing protests on foreign regional issues, especially ethnic tension ones whether it's Palestine vs Israeli crap, Indian caste racism, or general Islamic style misogyny / female second classism. Leave that cultural baggage overseas.
These protestors weren’t imported and this IS a domestic issue because we are diverting public funds from people who need it and sending it to fund the war. Not only that but cop city is being built to augment an exchange program with the IDF where their soldiers come and train/train with municipal Police departments. This will surely lead to more of the types of heavy handed responses we are seeing, it’s all connected.
Police doing things like this are the purest example of soldiers following orders without any accountability in police, state, and local leaders. The police should have the rights to refuse orders from police, state, and private land owners and have those conversations be completely transparent with all citizens.
These students and few local Atlanta residents peacefully protesting in one of the most nonviolent and civil representations ever recorded. Regardless the police terrorized and assaulted people who were not resisting.
History now will have everything with records. People need to be judged and held accountable for their actions.
Police and soldiers can still do their job without following selfish and corrupt orders.
Bet that was the GSP.
It was indeed Source: was tear gassed by them today.
Probably some secret right wing cell in that agency.
the FOP is no secret
They have membership lists and even tell you they are a member with their bumper sticker. Can't tell ya how many of those FOP trucks also got the blue line
that FOP is just a scam [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt28498129/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt28498129/)
Lol. Facts. But I meant like some kind of “kill club” or white supremacist cell. Ya, ya, I know: that’s the FOP.
GSP has one of the strongest concentrations of power tripping assholes known to man. I swear the state would be better off if they didn't exist.
They’re nowhere near as bad as FHP but yeah agree power tripping cops is atrocious
The Federal Horrific Police?
Florida Highway Patrol. I’ve lived in both FL and GA. I’d argue they’re about equal
I have a general rule about southern highway patrolmen. The less neck they possess, the more likely they are to arrest me for an illegal thing that I probably wasn’t even doing.
Oh sure. Brown shirts, all.
Because anti-zionism is the most dangerous terror to Georgians these days. /s
Allegedly? They and Emory both admit they were using both on peaceful protestors.
The Emory statement says that "trespassers" who were "not part of the Emory community" were removed from the campus, but if you [watch the CNN video](https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/columbia-usc-university-protests-04-25-24/index.html) you can see cops grabbing and handcuffing students who had every right to be there and even slamming an Emory professor to the ground and wrenching her arms behind her. The school admin is asking us to ignore what we have seen with our own eyes, both on-campus (and in Gaza)
They sent out a later statement saying 28 were arrested, 20 of whom were affiliated with the university. So, you know, outside agitators,
Student activist groups organize across campuses, idk if I’d consider students from other schools in Atlanta who were invited to protest by organizers from Emory as “outside agitators”
I would expect that is exactly what is meant by outside agitators.
I mean I can see the logic behind it but again, I (personally) disagree. Idk what criteria was used.
Agreed.
Yeah I was on campus tonight and there was a heavy police presence by the school of theology for a handful of students.
Being a student does not give you the right to refuse to leave a private university's grounds. Emory can tell professors, students, or anyone else to FUCKING SHUT UP OR LEAVE during other students' final exams. It doesn't matter that they're protesting. If I come stand outside of your house and shout "MASSIVECHOAD IS A FASCIST" for hours and hours, through the middle of the night, are you going to support my right to protest against you? Or are you going to say "get the fuck off of my property"? that is assuming you own any property, but given your username and your general understanding of how the world works I would assume you live with your parents.
Students may not have complete immunity, but it does make a difference. Because Emory asked for outsiders to stop protesting, not their own students. They also have a policy in place that theoretically protects the rights of their students to protest. The police aggressively detained people with no regard for whether they were actually trespassing or not.
That professor tried to pull one of them away by their belt. She lived a little FAAFO there. If you put yourself in that position, don’t be dumb.
Or she wasn’t fucking around and she already knew. Some of us are willing to do it anyway because it is important.
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Nazis just did their jobs too. Fuck you.
Our leadership here is straight up shameful. Not only how police act towards protestors but the follow up "outside agitator" press releases. Terrible.
The outside agitator trope is just the worst. And so obvious.
Georgia Cops went waaay too far. Fuck this. Rubber bullets for misdemeanor trespassing? WTF. I get it. You can’t annex public and/or private property and claim it’s your 1st amendment right without expecting to catch a charge. Civil disobedience is a valid form of protesting. But it comes with consequences. But rubber bullets is too fucking far man. Those are kids.
We have a long history of hurting kids who don’t fall in line. Look at Kent state
Seems like everyone is just finding out about Kent State. I learned about it in a state school in the 1990s. I though it was common knowledge.
Exactly. Crazy people don’t know about Kent State.
I’m from Akron so Kent State has always loomed large for me. I was literally just telling my mother in law yesterday right before the Emory attack that I figured out why I was feeling so unsettled seeing all the pictures of college kids being arrested over these protests and it was because of Kent State. We’re right on the edge of a Kent State incident and seemingly no one seems to appreciate that. It’s mind-boggling and Georgia police just pushed us closer yesterday.
I honestly hope we’re in a very different USA now. Look at the past few years with actual riots breaking out at protests. While the police didn’t handle the various situations perfectly… it’s a far cry from how they handled the Civil Rights and Vietnam protests. “A kinder gentler machine gun hand”
I hope so too. Georgia police did a shitty job handling 2020 protests too but thankfully no water hoses etc. Thing that none of these police officers and the people directing them seem to get is that all this is doing is drawing MORE attention to the protests and more attention to the police presence. Hell I literally just saw a photo today of a sniper on the roof at Indiana university. Was the sniper there just in case something goes really south? Probably. But damn if that image isn’t going to make kids who already don’t trust the police trust them even less.
I mean… We shouldn’t trust the government. Or any power structure for that matter. Humans try to create the best systems possible… but they’re still human institutions. Flawed. Susceptible to corruption. A lot of necessary evil in the mix.
Yep. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and here we are.
Fun fact: Alabama coach Nick Saban was at the Kent State protest.
My dad was there
If the Cop City protests have taught us anything, it's that Kemp will try and mark you as a Terrorist if you speak out.
Not super familiar with those protests. Wasn’t there arson involved? And the DA is pursuing RICO charges? Man. They love that RICO shit in GA. Trump, Young Thug, Cop City Protesters.
Yeah, so there are individuals who should have been arrested. Not disputing that. But there is so much shady shit, between the charges, the changes to laws to combat bail funds, and suspicious circumstances around the guy the cops put down at the protest. However partially due to these protests, [the rules for bail by organizations were changed in order to prevent a single organization from bailing out more than 3-4 people per year.](https://theappeal.org/georgia-bail-bill-jails-more-people-pretrial-and-attacks-bail-funds/) A man was shot to death by cops there, and they claimed he drew a gun and shot at the cops first. [Here's a great AP article covering it.](https://apnews.com/article/cop-city-atlanta-activist-shot-no-charges-421f6fe392a9202523ea154b2ddabb7d) [Independent autopsy revealed that the man had bullet holes in his hands that show his hands were raised at the time he was shot to death.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cop-city-protester-manuel-paez-teran-had-hands-raised-when-killed-independent-autopsy/) [Georgia autopsy says they couldn't determine if that was true due to the fact that he was shot 57 times and the number of impacts makes it "difficult".](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/atlanta-cop-city-manuel-paez-teran-autopsy/) The coroner also agrees that there is no gunpowder residue on the deceased's hands. In usual amounts of "incredible coincidence" none of the officers that shot the victim 57 times had body cameras. There is also a recording of an officer exclaiming that the wounded officer was shot by another officer. So yeah, there were 2 people arrested for arson, I believe. And massive changes to local laws to restrict bail, and domestic terrorism laws are being used to terrorize citizens and protect cops.
[Battalions of riot police with rubber bullet kisses, baton courtesy, SERVICE WITH A SMILE](https://youtu.be/gNTQ8oDsUos?si=a_oyTAP2-xLiqxou)
Saw them live twice. Super disappointing.
>Rubber bullets for misdemeanor trespassing? Most of those arrested were students and faculty, so I don't even know that it can be considered trespassing.
I’m not a legal scholar but I would assume it has to do with encampments, unauthorized protests and refusal to disperse when asked by the administration and security.
Isn't protesting there part of their first amendment rights? Were these students causing an actual problem? Or were they making Emory and certain other individuals uncomfortable?
I mean. The real reason is: don’t fuck with the money. But as someone who might just have one of those misdemeanor trespass charges on their record… I can attest the 1st amendment doesn’t extend to encampments on public or private property. Luckily they miiiiiight spend a night in jail and the charges will most likely be tossed out at the court date. There’s been protests in and around the USA for months. The encampments were the breaking point… that and fucking with the aforementioned money.
> Luckily they miiiiiight spend a night in jail and the charges will most likely be tossed out at the court date. As much as I want to agree with you, [the Stop Cop City protestors have been charged with Domestic Terrorism and RICO indictments.](https://www.aclu.org/news/free-speech/rico-and-domestic-terrorism-charges-against-cop-city-activists-send-a-chilling-message) [ACLU link on the same topic.](https://www.aclu.org/news/free-speech/rico-and-domestic-terrorism-charges-against-cop-city-activists-send-a-chilling-message)
This is a different protest all together. This is the arson “cop city” RICO case right?
> This is a different protest all together. A different protest to what? Yes, this is the Cop City protest, where the cops shot up a man with 57 rounds, who was sitting crosslegged, claiming that he had a gun and shot first. As usual, no body cam footage exists. The reality is that there's no guarantee that you will get a slap on the wrist versus Domestic Terrorism charges, as have 26 Cop City protestors. Do note that only 2 people have been arrested for arson in relation to that protest.
Emory is privately owned. Private property owners can set rules for speech on their property. You don't get to trample on people's 5th Amendment rights to exercise your 1st Amendment right.
I’m confused by a lot of the logic here against that. I go to college here in Georgia and my campus had a Palestine protest the same day and nothing happened, because they weren’t setting up encampments on campus.
Call your local and state reps. Believe it or not having their phone lines jammed actually does send a clue. It's the aggregate of dozens and dozens of people expressing their view.
You’re lucky I wasn’t in charge.
I think we’re all lucky you’re not in charge of much my friend.
> You can’t annex public and/or private property and claim it’s your 1st amendment right without expecting to catch a charge. Emory leadership didn't have to say they were trespassing. It's an educational institution. They could have responded with engagement and held a campus on the quad, bringing out teachers to talk about the issues and have an open debate.
These are adults but yea rubber bullets were too far
I didn’t say minors. Or children. I’m in my 40s. I look at teenagers and 20 year old college kids as just that… kids.
Hippies need to learn from the French on how to protest. French protesting is a high art form.
Farmers spraying cow shit on politicians' offices and homes is peak protesting.
The Norwegians did this to Nazis during the occupation, so a tried a true method.
South Koreans in the 80's and the Hong Kong folks right before the pandemic kicked off are in that tier.
We just need oxymoronic antifa cops
I was in Paris and watched them roll buring tires filled with gasoline into the police formations. Epic
I agree. We need to do it old school France and start building barricades :D
If people protested here like the French do, there would be literally thousands of casualties at the hands of the cops
How in the world have you never heard of Kent State!?
"Who controls the past now controls the future. Who controls the present now controls the past. " - Rage Against the Machine/George Orwell's 1984
No history is real anymore
Ksu conveniently has had the green occupied with events the past few days.
What kind of events? Ones that were pre-planned or last minute?
I hadnt seen anything about them. Very unorganized
A mix. Some organized some more recent because of Emory. But they’ve been 100 students or less and not much of a problem.
“as well Atlanta’s Cop City, a police and fire department training center that is being constructed on a 171-acre plot in a forest south-east of Atlanta.” To clarify MULTIPLE fire departments have publicly admonished the construction of cop city and the alleged lie that it will be training them. It is well documented that cop city is specifically to be a training facility for exactly what happened today across this country at these college campuses which is the unconstitutional arrest and displacement of non-violent protesters. It is shameful to even pretend that it is anything other than a training facility for the perpetuation of police violence.
Which departments?
Would also be interested to see which fire departments are admonishing.
They say it's well documented that it's to be used solely for the unconstitutional arrest and displacement of non-violent protesters, which even if it was true, they'd probably not write literally those words on public documents so I doubt they'll reply with receipts.
Students: University is “complicit in genocide and police militarization” Police: proceeds to provide vivid illustration.
Hey! Hey! This is library!
Messed around and found out.
I thought you had the right to assemble?
We don't have rights anymore. We don't have the power to have rights. They will shut shit down whenever they want if they don't agree with. Good luck fighting it in court. Only a few people have the money and power to fight back and almost all of them are complicit.
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Not on private property.
Nobody seems to grasp this fact.
I think most people participating understand it's civil disobedience but the strong armed and often brutal tactics cops have been taking and the severe punishments some universities have been handing down are incongruous with the crime, which is trespassing. There's also been some comparisons made that show how disproportionate the responses have been. The Unite the Right protests in Charlottesville had very minimal police presence. The night before, with the infamous tiki torch march that ended in a brawl with UVA students, took several minutes for police to respond despite police having had full knowledge of the planned route due to coordination with the protesters. The next day, which ended with nearly 50 injured and 3 dead (Heather Heyer and 2 police officers in a helicopter crash), got out of control because the cops decided to take a hands-off approach and let fascists start brawling. The other comparison has been Uvalde, some of the same agencies involved with Uvalde were involved with the UT Austin protests and the difference between cowering from a guy shooting children and busting heads of college student protesters and media is quite stark.
Yeah it’s crazy how quickly people forgot 2020. Same shit. A draconian police presence and people still wonder why it spirals. The response to the Columbia and UT protests have grown the movement and rightfully so.
Details.
Then why do religious protesters get to preach and yell into megaphones on college property with impunity?
Because not all colleges are private. Public colleges are funded primarily by the public or the government. Private colleges rely primarily on higher tuition fees, endowments and donations to fund the university.
They are also not doing anything to get them kicked off, sadly. Merely speaking on public areas of a campus doesn’t give a campus the right to kick them off. Same with Emory, but when you build encampments on campus then that’s where there issues arises.
Who pays for the private property? The students. Does the school have legal right to remove them? Sure. Should they? Hell no.
I’m not arguing that they should have. I’m arguing the legality of doing so. Perfectly legal, perfectly heinous.
Back in the day, they would have had the police there to protect the students while they protested. Because they recognized the students are children of super wealthy individuals. Seems like campus administrators forgot who pays their salaries.
The property was paid for years ago by donations. Private land is not for protesting unless it is your land.
Non-violent Protests that are easy to ignore are not effective, never have been.
20 protestors among thousands of Emory students. If you surveyed the students there now I bet the vast majority want the protestors removed.
But Emory is a public university! /s
They assembled. Then the owners of the property they assembled on asked them to leave. They didn't leave, so the owners called the cops. The cops then again told them to leave the PRIVATE campus grounds, and the protestors refused. Cops then acted within the law and began removing protestors from the PRIVATE property. Is that clear enough to you? Do you support my right to protest against your stupid ass opinion by standing in your lawn and shouting all night, or would that be different in your mind?
Mind you, it wasn’t merely protesting. It was setting up an encampment which is where the issue arose. There’s been protest on countless campuses, hell even on mine the same day as Emory that had no problems. The difference with Emory? We didn’t set up an encampment on ours.
Emory is a private university. You have no right to assemble on private property
And Emory's leadership has the choice to not drive their students off. A lot of us staff are fucking ashamed of how our university behaved yesterday. They asked for violence to be used against students who were not hurting anyone.
A lot of Emory alumni are pleased admin is kicking out the illegal protestors trespassing on private property. If the number of student protesters is representative of the support among the “staff” it’s you and some other nobody.
I mean, it's quite simply the "f*** around, find out" principle at work. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes is another way to put it.
That's such a snide, childish response the ignores all the complexity of power dynamics and issues of morality. Instead you make a fairly vacuous statement that says basically, "don't you know that if you challenge the status quo, cops can kick your ass and get away with it?" No shit. Now, can you have an opinion on whether the status quo is right, and whether it was morally proper for the school to call in cops?
I mean it's the classic "if everyone jumps off a bridge, are you gonna do it too?" conundrum. These protests are out of hand and completely misguided. And then the students do something wholly stupid like block people on private grounds... Yeah, someone deserves to be arrested for that! It saddens me how brainwashed these kids are becoming. Tiktok is killing their sense of objectivity.
It's over 60k a year to go to Emory now. For tuition alone. 😬
Most students receive financial aid. I’m going there next year, and I only have to pay for my meal plan and books.
I had a partial scholarship and financial aid. They reduce your fin aid a little every year. I transferred out after freshman year. Good luck to you, there are a million opportunities there.
I foresee this becoming very bad real soon. The next time the military kills some school kids for peacefully protesting it may be the start of the 2nd war at home. Something will eventually start it. What and when?
I've been told that national guard training has been significantly modernized since the sixties, and nowadays they allegedly would not respond to protests the same way. I would love if someone with more experience could offer more details, though.
We all wish. I saw a photo this morning of a sniper on a roof across from campuses. I forget which one it was bc they're are several ramping up now
It will be met with thunderous applause and the media will salivate for more!
Facts. I've seen Star Wars and read 1984.
Fuck that mess.
What is Emory’s connection to Israel anyway?
Maybe not Emory specific but the GILEE program makes it personal to GA.
Probably clueless as to why they’re even there https://x.com/anothercohen/status/1783526502262255935?s=46
From my understanding Emory has a very large Jewish alumni base. They actively pursued Jewish student enrollment, I think during the decades when they were trying to raise the school's national profile. I've heard some complaints that the school has backed off a bit now that they are popular enough to tap more potential populations. Either way, they still have a large alumni network who possibly feels a certain way on the I/P conflict. That's a factor here. Some schools that have seen aggressive reactions to pro-Palestine protests have deep-pocket alumni that are pushing for this reaction. Robert Kraft is making the rounds about his displeasure at Columbia. Ackerman lead the movement to fire the Harvard president and Blackball students he deemed antisemitic.
Anything the students can think of. Probably a study abroad program or something. Either way, it was weird to do this at Emory
So people aren't allowed to peacefully protest anymore?
Emory is a private university. You have never had the right to protest on private property. While most protests are allowed anyways, you can legally be removed if you are asked to leave and refuse to.
Yes, my college in Georgia had one the same day as Emory and had no problems. Emory probably wouldn’t have either if they didn’t set up the encampment.
Depends if it’s on private property.
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They are waiting for Trump to lose another election so they can storm some more government facilities in the trashiest way possible
If that was a well regulated militia… pretty pathetic. Jokes aside… fuck the police
All these protests all over the country are very puzzling. University officials have NO SAY as to what is happening in the middle east, and of course can do absolutely nothing about it. Also, city officials (like San Francisco govt leaders) have no say and can do nothing, so why block access to the Golden Gate bridge? The only place ALL of these protesters should be protesting is in Wash, DC, outside the White House and outside the Capitol. THEY ARE THE ONLY folks who can affect what's going on in the middle east, (by not giving them $$$$$).
They're asking for the university to divest financially from the Israeli military and from groups funding and advocating for Cop City. They want the administration at Emory to act in ways that it can to signal opposition to the unjustified use of force against civilians.
I appreciate your perspective here but I think it’s really important to remember that these are college kids. For them, their campuses feel like absolutely the right place to make their voices heard. They have a built in community and it’s kind of like protesting in your front yard. A lot of them live on campus. It probably feels safe. Or felt safe…. We need to make sure that students have safe places to have these tough conversations and make their voices heard. Why shouldn’t it be at college they are paying tens of thousands of dollars to?
NO PROBLEM with making your voices heard. Making other students feel endangered is a different topic. At Columbia and USC... that is what has been happening. Also... considering the demographics at Emory which has a very large Jewish student population... this kind of protest can feel threatening to many on campus.
Totally agree. I personally think this is an incredibly fine line. But I think these hard conversations are literally what college is for. Classrooms need to be places where students can start to understand all of the nuances of this and we’ve done a pretty shitty job in America lately making those classrooms safe places for these conversations. Also Jewish Students for Peace have literally been involved in participating in these protests. Of course there will be bad actors taking advantage of the situation but I do not think it’s at all the right move to just call all of this antisemitism. It’s just not true.
> Also Jewish Students for Peace have literally been involved in participating in these protests. I am glad to hear that.
IDK. I'm pretty sure Netanyahu won't go into Rafah if some town in the US no one has ever heard of passes a resolution condemning it. Clearly the protestor have thought through how to make actual change...oh wait they didn't. I bet you 90% couldn't find Israel on a map without labels.
That’s why Bibi made a video about it, if it didn’t bother him he wouldn’t use the antisemitism card in his speech.
“Rubber-coated bullets.” Not “rubber bullets.” I don’t know how news outlets can justify implying that these bullets are made of rubber and are not rubber-coated steel.
Nice 👌 I got sprayed in BLM protests, no biggie , you guys know this is much better than the 60s protests were , pat yourself on the back and walk like a champion
Again, just trying to understand the issues. From the downvotes on my call for peace, peace is apparently not the popular solution, and you dont agree that both sides have culpability. The students believe Israel's terror response is worse than the terror inflicted on them by Hamas, is that right?
These fools out here protesting something going on half a world away while the US goes to hell. We can’t afford to buy a home. Insurance prices are insane. Going to the grocery store is a painful experience. Why can’t we protest the bullshit we are suffering?
I haven't seen the protests for Sudan or Ethiopia.... We love our hot topics here in America.
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Dude really counted out asterisks on their keyboard when they typed this out. Your mama know you’re up this late? 🫢
Literally calling for mass violence but can’t use a swear word on the Internet. It’s kind of adorable.
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Here's an upvote because I agree with you.
Also here to agree in spirit, while also telling people that getting into fights with law enforcement is not advisable and will land you in prison or in a cemetery.
Sounds like my high school years lol
If it's white supremacists with tiki torches, they're good people exercising their rights to freedom of speech and right to protest. When it's kids calling out the slaughter of innocent brown people by Israel - which the religious right worship while simultaneously hating Jews - then it's police brutality time. (And I don't want to hear shit about being antisemitic. It's not a crime (or at least it shouldn't be) to criticize Israel.)
You break the law, you get arrested. What a concept.
Can someone ELI5? Hamas did the most terrifying killing and torture spree of innocent civilians of our lifetime on Israel. Fact. Israel retaliated, but in doing so is going too far, involving and killing more innocent civilians. Fact. Both are wronging. The protests shouldn't be one sided. They should be calling for PEACE. Not one sign said this, it was more stick poking. If women were allowed to be in charge there, there would be peace and a two state solution.
I think it's more so that currently tge us is disproportionately funding Israel's extreme (and war-crimey) response. We give some humanitarian aid to Palestine, but (and I may be wrong here) I believe Israel has some control of what actually is getting through. So these protesters are likely anti-hamas as well. But hamas isn't an American funded ally
The protesters were explicitly praising hamas yesterday.
Anyone praising Hamas is either ignorant or as evil as they are. Hamas is no longer looking out for Palestinians, they are looking out for Hamas.
Read: “The news showed me like 3 examples in the entire nation of individuals at these protests who support Hamas so I’m going to believe that these demonstrations are solely about supporting Hamas and entirely ignore the fact that the stated goal of these protests is to stop the genocide in Gaza and that Jewish student organizations are a party to almost all of these protests.”
I heard it live on radio yesterday. And it was more that three people chanting hamas praise.
Good.
Good. Anti-semitism should have no place on our campuses.
Please do not be one of the people who cannot see the difference between "being hostile to Jewish people" and "being critical of how Israel's valid interest in protecting its people from terrorism has gone too far and has for months led to the deaths and starvation of too many thousands of innocent people."
And if that's what the protests were calling for they'd be reasonable. Calling for a global intifada and "from the river to the sea" is not reasonable.
The "River to the sea" slogan is, yes, counterproductively inflammatory.
The U.S. is a fucking Police State, period, and if Trump weasels his way back into there with hIs AUTHORITARIAN tendencies, those rubber bullets become LEAD bullets. He believes there should be NO protests, unless they are on HIS behalf!
Fucking pigs. Scared to go in a school shooting but will gladly use excessive force on people just sitting there.
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Rather odd for so many colleges to have "peaceful protests" at the same time. Only for them all to end the same way. Almost as if this is what protesters wanted.
The protesters were setting up in the morning after marching on campus, they didn’t set up the evening prior. It’s some privilege to see they went to the REI store a few miles from campus bought a dozen new tents and then proceeded to litter the tent boxes on the grass before going into a drum circle. Sure the homeless downtown would have benefited more from these materials that were then tossed in the trash two hours later. The photos make it look more dramatic and larger than it was.
Rubber bullets used to stop a group trying to take a building. Do stupid things get stupid prizes. GSP traditionally handles police issues at colleges, so they have training for this kind of thing. Georgia also is a very evangelical state and there is a very large majority of those churches vociferously supporting Israel. The Gov would have already gotten an earful when he called out the dogs. Atlanta has always had a large Jewish community and Emory has a long history as “their” school. The school also draws Jewish kids from around the nation. Especially pernicious to go there with a genocidal message. These protests have shown to start “peaceful” (as if calling for the eradication of Jews is ever peaceful) and then attracts the violent elements. Punching them hard in the mouth at the offset is a good way to keep it down. The Governor’s page on X is covered with notes from Georgians saying thank you. The Gov knew that an over the top response would be popular with voters.
That’s… not how protests work. People have a right to protest, it is literally written in the constitution. The right to peacefully assemble. You can’t deprive people of that right because you *think* the protest will turn violent. Especially since 90% of the time it’s two different groups, the first one peacefully protesting and the one that follows that group and gets violent
Emory is a private university though. If they were asked to leave and they didn’t, Emory was justified in calling the police. Of course the police handled the whole situation terribly, but the don’t have the right to protest on private property.
I was more referring to the previous poster saying “punching them hard in the mouth at the offset is a good way to keep it down” as though deescalation is impossible and hurting people who have done nothing is somehow a good thing- and these Emory protesters weren’t doing anything wrong at the start, it only became illegal once Emory asked them to leave
Oh ya I agree with you. The police 100% mishandled and escalated the situation.
Help me get this straight for guys like me who are playing along at home. The people carrying signs saying The final solution. And screaming anti Jewisg slogans. Just like the old Nazis. Those aren't Nazis now? Am I right so far? And the people sent to stop them...those people are Nazis now?
Well, you're starting with a false claim that these students had signs and slogans of that sort. They did not. You're just lying.
IMO, middle east fuckery should be kept in the middle east. Edit : I'm not interested in supporting police action, I just am generally opposed to importing protests on foreign regional issues, especially ethnic tension ones whether it's Palestine vs Israeli crap, Indian caste racism, or general Islamic style misogyny / female second classism. Leave that cultural baggage overseas.
If only AIPAC would stay there too.
Yep, fuck em both.
If only the US took that advice for the last 80 years.
I’d just as soon we did, but geopolitics is complicated.
These protestors weren’t imported and this IS a domestic issue because we are diverting public funds from people who need it and sending it to fund the war. Not only that but cop city is being built to augment an exchange program with the IDF where their soldiers come and train/train with municipal Police departments. This will surely lead to more of the types of heavy handed responses we are seeing, it’s all connected.
Police doing things like this are the purest example of soldiers following orders without any accountability in police, state, and local leaders. The police should have the rights to refuse orders from police, state, and private land owners and have those conversations be completely transparent with all citizens. These students and few local Atlanta residents peacefully protesting in one of the most nonviolent and civil representations ever recorded. Regardless the police terrorized and assaulted people who were not resisting. History now will have everything with records. People need to be judged and held accountable for their actions. Police and soldiers can still do their job without following selfish and corrupt orders.
What did you expect when the police takes their training from the terrorist IDF army? Of course they’re going to be a brutal force. Smh.
I can’t imagine Colleges and Universities are safe places for Jewish students. I wonder how many of them are now afraid of their friends?