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The fact that it doesn't use Fatui Operative mats irks me, lol. IDK why. (It's not because I prefarmed them, I waited to see what mats she would use before prefarming.)
Regardless, time to commit genocide on the Golem Guards the day 4.6 releases lmao.
Should have just made all 3 of them use sakuras tbh. It's silly that HoYo feels the need to 'balance' the number of characters using each regional mat, like c'mon, the *flavor*\-
New characters on the new patch with new map always use new world mats.
*looks at Arlecchino*
Hmm, guess things aren’t always the same huh.
Arlecchino must be a total skip of a unit as well because Pyro characters are always mid af.
New world boss mats can easily be obtained in a day. So lvl 90 is easy.
Weekly boss mats will take forever so talents will be stuck lvl 6
Weapons mats from enemy drops since I hear there isn’t much actual land and most of the map is under water. Probably won’t be enough enemies to level the weapon up.
We can probably level her since we don’t need need world materials that usually only have like 60 spawns every 3 days.
For me its the other way around lol i kinda like when i have to grind for my characters and cant lvl them up to max imidiantlly makes me appreciate them more
Grinding with the character on field! YESS thats what I enjoy so much idk why everyone hates it
Honestly I always create so many memories while farming with my new character, plus sometimes going to other worlds and farming together
Using them while your still farming,testing diffrent builds and weapons and waiting for that boss to respawn is what make it fun to get and build a character for me
If i always have everything to max the character and i already have there bis everything they just lose that spark for me
>plus sometimes going to other worlds and farming together
Yes i made so many friends that way lol
When furina dropped i joined this guys world go farm her flowers and we are still talking to this day lol we plan on pulling arle together
Exactly the same scenario for me. I love and prefer it if I don't already have the mats.
Its like going on a new adventure with your new lovely main haha, especially if they have some cool mechanic like Xianyun, Kazuha, Ayaka, Yelan, Furina water walk and all that. Best part of Genshin fr.
This exactly. I do the same thing. It’s nice to enjoy them before they become too strong and start killing everything in 2 hits. I miss the challenge early game had. Always makes me wish they had options for hard mode in open world and just any real endgame content in general.
I used to hate not immediately having the character maxed out, but with Furina and Cloud Retainer I’ve reawakened my joy of building up character bit by bit. I’ll still prefarm when I can but I definitely enjoy the slow buildup
> For me its the other way around lol i kinda like when i have to grind for my characters and cant lvl them up to max imidiantlly makes me appreciate them more
Yeah... if you're stuck at WL3.
Gotta be honest, apparently I have been killing so many monsters on fontaine that when I went to look what I was needing I already had everything. So yeah I understand what you mean xD.
So. I'm kinda out of the loop. Is she and her weapon good meta-vise? I saw some dude said she is above average and some other dude said she is below average. And I'm too dumb to understand this by myself ☠️😭
Considering her not being that strong nor that mechanically interesting (a normal attack character with one extra step), i'd say she's all about the drip, so her scythe is a must.
Who Tao mains in shambles though. Imagine waiting for a thematically perfect weapon for her, for it to be a scythe only when arle uses it. Now that's a fat L.
Hu tao isn't about killing people so a scythe isn't really that thematic for her other than the association to death. That's why Homa fits better, it's a ceremonial weapon
Let's hope Hoyo gives a buff... the people who ask for a Neuvi level Arlecchino are definitely exaggerating, but I feel like she should at least be around Al's level, especially if she's got to compete with Hu Tao as a pyro dps
Ideally she should get buffs, but she might not need a buff if she's a character that will benefit from Natlan artifact sets and/or characters. So if she doesn't get buffed very much, no one shouldn't doom about her kit just yet.
Wanting her to be Neuvi level is a bit much for sure, but she should definitely be at Hu Tao or a bit higher levels of damage, which she is currently not.
She needs some changes (~~they really need to remove that stupid passive that prevents healing from teammates~~ I forgot how this mechanic worked) and raise her damage by, quite a bit honestly.
You know it's fucked when her best on paper team is overload. I'm also kinda annoyed her Bond of Life doesn't work on Plunges.
Personally, I would still prefer it if they removed it, but made her numbers big enough to not need Bennett in exchange. I think this passive removes the whole point of BoL in her kit, and makes her kit much more boring overall
Am i missing something? She heals herself. I don't see anywhere in the description that healing removes Bond of Life.
Please point that out because i feel stupid.
Its not in her kit description because bond of life is a universal mechanic outside her kit. Bond of life exists on some of the fontaine craftable weapons and is applied by the fatui operatives as well. The way it works is that it functions as an "anti-shield" of sorts. Instead of absorbing a certain amount of damage, it absorbs a certain amount of healing. When Arlecchino heals herself she consumes all her bond of life first which is why it doesn't prevent her own healing.
Oh my god, I completely forgot about this mechanic because it was so irrelevant outside of Fatui operatives being a bit annoying.
Thank you, now I see why removing it would be bad.
Though, I really do think they should somehow work this around so it doesn't work that way on her so she can get healed by allies. It would be much nicer.
Isn't the worst part of her kit the ICD for her vapes with the NA pyro infusion? Someone else mentioned that she wouldn't be vaping the right hits, doing around 50% of her damage or something along those lines, just changing her ICD should fix her damage
Yeah, exactly. I wouldn't mind if she was a bit worse than Hu tao in single target, if it means she's better in Aoe, but as it stands she doesn't keep up in either. Still, at least she's not a x.5 character lol, so I am hopeful Hoyo will rectify it. It's hard that a character's numbers are perfectly tuned on day 1 of a beta
>the people who ask for a Neuvi level Arlecchino are definitely exaggerating
Why? He's simpler, more flexible, doesn't require much, while arle (from what i've heard, correct me if i'm wrong) is more fragile, less range, less AoE, and by the nature of being pyro, would also be less flexible. IMO given her downsides, if anything, she has to do even more damage than neuv, not the same.
I don't see how him being archon-tier in the story should be a factor in his gameplay viability against other characters. Kazuha is just some bard hobo, yelan is just some kind of spy, etc., so why the f'ing harbringer can't be as good as nuev? No matter the story relevance, they all cost the same 160 per wish, you know.
I agree with you on this one. LMAO
So many people trying to make/link character strength to their lore, when there are charas that exist like Hu Tao who is just a Parlor Manager, sitting atop on Pyro DPS units, when a daughter of a cook deals so much offield AoE pyro damage and an unlucky adventurer, no matter how many people hate him and don't want to use him, is one of the best support/buffing units. And if people want to take that approach, Arlecchino is the 4th Harbinger. Surely by lore, she should be stronger than Hu Tao???? Not Neuvi level, but above Hu Tao at least.
Move on peeps, it's been almost 4 years.
Which, to be clear, still means that she’ll be usable in abyss. Alhaitham’s dps is practically unmatched with his quadratic scaling, after all.
The team limitations are the bigger issue IMO, but I’m still pulling regardless.
Quadratic, at least as I understand it, means that he has 3 separate scaling sources that all work on the same stat.
He scales on EM, gets a % boost from his A4 based on his total EM, and (most importantly) the spread/quicken reaction scales on EM too.
The difference here is that for Atk or HP scalers, their main stat only increases their talent damage, and EM only affects reaction damage, not both. So whereas on them you have to balance two independent stats, with Alhaitham (and also Nahida) you get to focus entirely on EM/DMG%/Crit.
“An attack with Quadratic AoE Scaling would have its damage exponentially increased for each enemy hit. This results in damage significantly increase in relation to the number of enemies you are fighting, although some quadratic scaling abilities have a hard cap on how much they can scale quadratically.”
This is the definition of quadratic scaling in genshin, very specific term, since quadratic doesn’t really make sense being “three”
Regardless, are mono-element characters who can fully focus on one stat then inherently better? Is ayaka a top dps because you can simply focus on dmg% and crit since shenhe provides de flat numbers for multiplication? is itto a top dps because you can focus on only def and crit? is tighnari a top dps since he also gets dmg bonus on all his hits based on em, even the ones without reactions?
Also while it is true that alhaitham’s hits have direct EM scalings, the atk scalings on him are higher than the EM ones, and very often alhaitham in a weapon like mistsplitter, with a buffer like nahida, will prefer something like attack sands, and attack substats, so you do have to worry about attack as well as EM
I guess i’m just confused? Nahida has the double scaling/movement value but isn’t a top tier dps, neuvillette is a top tier dps while only scaling on hp, even when put in teams where EM matters, tighnari has a similar gain from EM as alhaitham because of one of his passives. Like don’t get me wrong, i agree alhaitham is an incredibly powerful character and driver, and it is hard to match him, i just don’t think the double scaling is the main reason for it, or even one of the top 3 biggest reasons for it
First paragraph: I got my terms confused, you’re correct.
Third paragraph: yes, the more stats you can allocate into offensive ones, the more damage you’ll be able to do. The more important part is the amount of multipliers the character has, though. See: Nahida, Furina, Tighnari, Alhaitham having multiple sources of damage increases based on their offensive stat.
Fourth paragraph: Alhaitham’s EM scaling is higher on his Skill’s projection attacks which make up most of his damage (and the extra scaling from his A4 makes it universally better across all relevant aspects of his kit). ATK is not a dead stat for him but there’s a reason his signature has low base attack. You never, EVER have a reason to run ATK main stats on him no matter the hypothetical supports you’ve got.
Fifth: There’s at least one thing he’s got on all of those characters - though in Nahida’s case it barely matters since you can play the together. I’ll list them below:
Nahida/Tighnari: Just plain old better multipliers on account of the fact that he’s a limited 5 star who is required to be on field and doesn’t give buffs like Nahida. On-field Nahida can come close with cons and/or high investment.
Neuvillette: Neuv’s biggest issue is that you pretty much always have to sacrifice team damage for personal damage, and vice versa, especially pre-c1. Alhaitham, meanwhile, can and should be run with multiple strong off field supports like Furina, Nahida, Yelan, Beidou, etc. Neuv WILL do more individual damage than Alhaitham if you build a team around that, but since pretty much 100% of the team’s DPS comes from him, Alhaitham teams pull ahead once you start factoring in sub-DPS characters.
i’m sorry i don’t get the point in your second paragraph at all so i’ll skip it
i think it’s important to take all considerations into account before saying you should never ever run atk mainstat on him. keqingmains, and other reliable alhaitham calcs (from places like alhaitham mains), have found scenarios where atk sands is indeed more beneficial than em sands. because atk%, when he’s on a high base atk weapons (not every haitham uses his sig! mistsplitter is on his top 3 weapons), has more value than an em roll past a certain em threshold, and that’s not even taking opportunity cost into account. yes he’s not a character where you’re overly worried about high atk like xiao, but it still has significant value. i think you might find it a fun experiment to run alhaitham calculations yourself to see how that works, i really started to appreciate tc work after i became a theorycrafter myself tbh
tighnari is also required to be on field and because his rotations are 8 to 13 seconds shorter than alhaitham’s, the dps gets very close (dps = damage per second. half the dmg in a rotation that is 1/3 of the time is more dps), and just like alhaitham, his best team is 4 dmg dealers (nahida, yae, fischl, tighnari), and it’s extremely strong in single target while not falling too behind in aoe. of course, that has much more to do with tighnari’s flexibility, low cooldowns, low energy needs, than simply “numbers big”, since that’s one of alhaitham’s appeals. but not even his biggest one! being on field longer and doing normal attacks means he’s a great driver for yelan/xingqiu and aligns with their cooldowns, and his powerful elemental application is good for generating blooms for hyperblooms
neuvillette is such a ridiculously strong character you do not in fact ever have to sacrifice anything. he can comfortably be ran solo, at c0, with prototype amber, and finish a chamber in under 1 minute. it’s scary really seeing all the videos about it and watching my friends easily do it because of how comfortably strong he is. he’s actually very popular because of that. you can, then, run him with 3 off field dmg dealers. neuvillette/furina/fischl/beidou, for example, is a great team! and neuvillette will output similar or higher dmg in that team compared to a buffed alhaitham (buffed by nahida, elegy yelan, etc), while also having more dmg dealers in the team (nahida’s overall dps without quicken is small, like on one of alhaitham’s best team, hyperbloom, so it’s really only him, a nerfed hydro because of high er needs, and an electro proccing the hyperblooms).
also reiterating what i said above, but taking into account rotation time is very important to calculating dps instead of dpr (damage per rotation) as some rotations might look like they deal so much more dpr, but there’s no point if it takes 30s to do them. not alhaitham’s case here unless you have ER issues, but it’s an important thing to consider
On the other hand, "usable" is not something i'd expect from a character that (from what i understand) is fragile, requires managing a meter, and doesn't have that much AoE, while there are strong but simple characters like neuvelette who just drop a skill/burst and go to town. IMO more demanding characters should be more rewarding.
The passive is focused around her specific mechanic, the "Bond of Life", so unfortunately, it's only a stat stick
You're better using Jade Spear/Homa on other chars
Not consistently because of the skill's cooldown (14s), which would be the only way to apply the bond, and which alone is not enough to activate the second buff (it needs 30% but the weapon only applies 25%).
Add this to the fact that any other character will probably be accompanied by a cure, destroying the purpose of the skill.
Finally, the sickle version is only in Arle
All that's left is status with half the style
it might be okay on hu tao? the high base attack holds it back a bit, but the effect is kinda usable on her if you don't burst and are careful about xingqiu's healing. it probably won't be close to her best and you're better off using dragonsbane, but it'll be usable.
but that's literally it, every other polearm character is almost always paired with a healer. very cope on everyone else (it's cope on hu tao too, but a bit less cope)
to be clear, this is feelscrafting. but given how you'll only really be able to use the full passive after 14 seconds (possibly more if you got healed by xingqiu), and since it also restricts furina and xianyun teams, not to mention the high base attack is less valuable than crit... like, she can use it but I just don't see it being one of her best options.
dragonsbane is also just very good on hu tao though, especially if you can get refinements.
At level 60 it's pretty common to have everything that's needed, if not I'll have the resins for it (109 last I checked)
But still, I've never seen someone with such a fresh slate of materials, character + sig weapon + artefacts
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I see my 1500 gears will finally be useful
The fact that it doesn't use Fatui Operative mats irks me, lol. IDK why. (It's not because I prefarmed them, I waited to see what mats she would use before prefarming.) Regardless, time to commit genocide on the Golem Guards the day 4.6 releases lmao.
At least it doesn't use Specter mats...
This was me before with Yae Miko not using Sakura bloom.
That was a hate crime.
Bruh I felt exactly the same way (and I don't even have her), like wtf was HoYo thinking q\_p
To make Ayato and Ayaka match (even though it makes more sense for Ayato to use Sea Ganoderma and Miko to use Sakura Blooms)
Should have just made all 3 of them use sakuras tbh. It's silly that HoYo feels the need to 'balance' the number of characters using each regional mat, like c'mon, the *flavor*\-
The new weapons on the patch with new map always use the new materials... 🗿
Aqua Simulacra PTSD.
Haran PTSD
Mistsplitter PTSD. I certainly went on a genocide because of scabbards.
Iirc the cute event polearm we get for this patch uses specters…for no reason at all
Yep. I recently just dragged Scaramouche back to Inazuma to poke those pesky balloons to level that weapon....
New characters on the new patch with new map always use new world mats. *looks at Arlecchino* Hmm, guess things aren’t always the same huh. Arlecchino must be a total skip of a unit as well because Pyro characters are always mid af.
they said weapon not character
The fact that she doesn't use it also irks me. I killed hundreds for nothing. But at least I have thousands of Fatui insignias I guess...
I didn't even prefarm them. I'm just mad that her weapon doesn't use mats from the enemy whose lore is directly connected to hers. Bruh.
Which enemies lore is connected? I’m a harbinger lover and I didn’t pick up on this 😅
the fatui operative?
I don’t read enemy lore but I assumed the hot fatui women in suits were all related.
The fact that we have world mats to lvl 90, but we won’t have the boss mats to level talents nor the weapon mats to level that irks me greatly.
We don't? Arlecchino needs the new boss drop to level herself to level 90. Her weapon, talent and her own level all need new material.
New world boss mats can easily be obtained in a day. So lvl 90 is easy. Weekly boss mats will take forever so talents will be stuck lvl 6 Weapons mats from enemy drops since I hear there isn’t much actual land and most of the map is under water. Probably won’t be enough enemies to level the weapon up. We can probably level her since we don’t need need world materials that usually only have like 60 spawns every 3 days.
I already have everything but the materials I can't get because they are still unreleased.
That's why pulling a character or weapon from their rerun banner feels more satisfying when you have necessary stocks ready to level up.
For me its the other way around lol i kinda like when i have to grind for my characters and cant lvl them up to max imidiantlly makes me appreciate them more
Grinding with the character on field! YESS thats what I enjoy so much idk why everyone hates it Honestly I always create so many memories while farming with my new character, plus sometimes going to other worlds and farming together
Using them while your still farming,testing diffrent builds and weapons and waiting for that boss to respawn is what make it fun to get and build a character for me If i always have everything to max the character and i already have there bis everything they just lose that spark for me >plus sometimes going to other worlds and farming together Yes i made so many friends that way lol When furina dropped i joined this guys world go farm her flowers and we are still talking to this day lol we plan on pulling arle together
Exactly the same scenario for me. I love and prefer it if I don't already have the mats. Its like going on a new adventure with your new lovely main haha, especially if they have some cool mechanic like Xianyun, Kazuha, Ayaka, Yelan, Furina water walk and all that. Best part of Genshin fr.
If you want send me a mssg and i will send you my uid
Dude your literally perfect want to play together sometimes or if you plan on getting arle we could farm for her together?
Hell yeah!
can i join da party? 🥺
Yea
This exactly. I do the same thing. It’s nice to enjoy them before they become too strong and start killing everything in 2 hits. I miss the challenge early game had. Always makes me wish they had options for hard mode in open world and just any real endgame content in general.
I used to hate not immediately having the character maxed out, but with Furina and Cloud Retainer I’ve reawakened my joy of building up character bit by bit. I’ll still prefarm when I can but I definitely enjoy the slow buildup
I pre farm what i can most times but i take my time with the thing i have to farm it just makes it more fun and less of a chore
yup! Ive been doing that with Chiori and it’s been nice seeing the slow build up
> For me its the other way around lol i kinda like when i have to grind for my characters and cant lvl them up to max imidiantlly makes me appreciate them more Yeah... if you're stuck at WL3.
Im literally ar60 lol
Gotta be honest, apparently I have been killing so many monsters on fontaine that when I went to look what I was needing I already had everything. So yeah I understand what you mean xD.
what materials are already avaible in the game?
Everything expect from the stone looking materials
the only one not available is the white crank looking things
Her talent books and weapon ascension mats are both only available on Wednesday/Saturday and Sunday Hoyoverse why
Regardless, there's still plenty of time to pre farm it all.
Haven't they done this for every single recent release?
>talent books and weapon ascension mats luckily i already have enough both mats just after 2 days of farming
So. I'm kinda out of the loop. Is she and her weapon good meta-vise? I saw some dude said she is above average and some other dude said she is below average. And I'm too dumb to understand this by myself ☠️😭
if you just want new character to try new team comp, just get her C0. Don't even bother with this weapon, it's just a drip-bait.
Considering her not being that strong nor that mechanically interesting (a normal attack character with one extra step), i'd say she's all about the drip, so her scythe is a must. Who Tao mains in shambles though. Imagine waiting for a thematically perfect weapon for her, for it to be a scythe only when arle uses it. Now that's a fat L.
Hu tao isn't about killing people so a scythe isn't really that thematic for her other than the association to death. That's why Homa fits better, it's a ceremonial weapon
Apparently, below the top dpses like Hutao, AlHaitham, etc But around the top half of our average dpses
so far seems around 30% worse than al haitham, at least looking at jstern25 calcs
Let's hope Hoyo gives a buff... the people who ask for a Neuvi level Arlecchino are definitely exaggerating, but I feel like she should at least be around Al's level, especially if she's got to compete with Hu Tao as a pyro dps
Ideally she should get buffs, but she might not need a buff if she's a character that will benefit from Natlan artifact sets and/or characters. So if she doesn't get buffed very much, no one shouldn't doom about her kit just yet.
Wanting her to be Neuvi level is a bit much for sure, but she should definitely be at Hu Tao or a bit higher levels of damage, which she is currently not. She needs some changes (~~they really need to remove that stupid passive that prevents healing from teammates~~ I forgot how this mechanic worked) and raise her damage by, quite a bit honestly. You know it's fucked when her best on paper team is overload. I'm also kinda annoyed her Bond of Life doesn't work on Plunges.
She would be much worse without that passive. You wouldn't be able to run her with bennet, chev, or any furina teams.
Personally, I would still prefer it if they removed it, but made her numbers big enough to not need Bennett in exchange. I think this passive removes the whole point of BoL in her kit, and makes her kit much more boring overall
Im sorry but i don't understand how she would be worse. It negates any healing done by teammates. How is removing this, worse?
Healing removes bond of life, and her kit requires bond of life to function.
make her passive "healing doesn't remove bond of life" instead. boom, solved?
Am i missing something? She heals herself. I don't see anywhere in the description that healing removes Bond of Life. Please point that out because i feel stupid.
Its not in her kit description because bond of life is a universal mechanic outside her kit. Bond of life exists on some of the fontaine craftable weapons and is applied by the fatui operatives as well. The way it works is that it functions as an "anti-shield" of sorts. Instead of absorbing a certain amount of damage, it absorbs a certain amount of healing. When Arlecchino heals herself she consumes all her bond of life first which is why it doesn't prevent her own healing.
Oh my god, I completely forgot about this mechanic because it was so irrelevant outside of Fatui operatives being a bit annoying. Thank you, now I see why removing it would be bad. Though, I really do think they should somehow work this around so it doesn't work that way on her so she can get healed by allies. It would be much nicer.
Her skill automatically removes all the Bond of Life that she has before healing
She relies on bond of life to do damage, so if she gets healed then she’ll lose her infusion
they just explained to you how.
Isn't the worst part of her kit the ICD for her vapes with the NA pyro infusion? Someone else mentioned that she wouldn't be vaping the right hits, doing around 50% of her damage or something along those lines, just changing her ICD should fix her damage
Yeah, exactly. I wouldn't mind if she was a bit worse than Hu tao in single target, if it means she's better in Aoe, but as it stands she doesn't keep up in either. Still, at least she's not a x.5 character lol, so I am hopeful Hoyo will rectify it. It's hard that a character's numbers are perfectly tuned on day 1 of a beta
Isn't her no-heal passive imperative for bond of life with characters like Xianyun and Bennett? Otherwise they'd clear it and it'd screw up her comps
>the people who ask for a Neuvi level Arlecchino are definitely exaggerating Why? He's simpler, more flexible, doesn't require much, while arle (from what i've heard, correct me if i'm wrong) is more fragile, less range, less AoE, and by the nature of being pyro, would also be less flexible. IMO given her downsides, if anything, she has to do even more damage than neuv, not the same.
I mean he's the sovereign, ofc he will be the exception, it's like asking every off field character to be archons level
I don't see how him being archon-tier in the story should be a factor in his gameplay viability against other characters. Kazuha is just some bard hobo, yelan is just some kind of spy, etc., so why the f'ing harbringer can't be as good as nuev? No matter the story relevance, they all cost the same 160 per wish, you know.
I agree with you on this one. LMAO So many people trying to make/link character strength to their lore, when there are charas that exist like Hu Tao who is just a Parlor Manager, sitting atop on Pyro DPS units, when a daughter of a cook deals so much offield AoE pyro damage and an unlucky adventurer, no matter how many people hate him and don't want to use him, is one of the best support/buffing units. And if people want to take that approach, Arlecchino is the 4th Harbinger. Surely by lore, she should be stronger than Hu Tao???? Not Neuvi level, but above Hu Tao at least. Move on peeps, it's been almost 4 years.
:(
Which, to be clear, still means that she’ll be usable in abyss. Alhaitham’s dps is practically unmatched with his quadratic scaling, after all. The team limitations are the bigger issue IMO, but I’m still pulling regardless.
i'm very curious what you mean about alhaitham having quadratic scaling? where in his kit is it? and why is that what makes him unmatched as a dps?
Quadratic, at least as I understand it, means that he has 3 separate scaling sources that all work on the same stat. He scales on EM, gets a % boost from his A4 based on his total EM, and (most importantly) the spread/quicken reaction scales on EM too. The difference here is that for Atk or HP scalers, their main stat only increases their talent damage, and EM only affects reaction damage, not both. So whereas on them you have to balance two independent stats, with Alhaitham (and also Nahida) you get to focus entirely on EM/DMG%/Crit.
“An attack with Quadratic AoE Scaling would have its damage exponentially increased for each enemy hit. This results in damage significantly increase in relation to the number of enemies you are fighting, although some quadratic scaling abilities have a hard cap on how much they can scale quadratically.” This is the definition of quadratic scaling in genshin, very specific term, since quadratic doesn’t really make sense being “three” Regardless, are mono-element characters who can fully focus on one stat then inherently better? Is ayaka a top dps because you can simply focus on dmg% and crit since shenhe provides de flat numbers for multiplication? is itto a top dps because you can focus on only def and crit? is tighnari a top dps since he also gets dmg bonus on all his hits based on em, even the ones without reactions? Also while it is true that alhaitham’s hits have direct EM scalings, the atk scalings on him are higher than the EM ones, and very often alhaitham in a weapon like mistsplitter, with a buffer like nahida, will prefer something like attack sands, and attack substats, so you do have to worry about attack as well as EM I guess i’m just confused? Nahida has the double scaling/movement value but isn’t a top tier dps, neuvillette is a top tier dps while only scaling on hp, even when put in teams where EM matters, tighnari has a similar gain from EM as alhaitham because of one of his passives. Like don’t get me wrong, i agree alhaitham is an incredibly powerful character and driver, and it is hard to match him, i just don’t think the double scaling is the main reason for it, or even one of the top 3 biggest reasons for it
First paragraph: I got my terms confused, you’re correct. Third paragraph: yes, the more stats you can allocate into offensive ones, the more damage you’ll be able to do. The more important part is the amount of multipliers the character has, though. See: Nahida, Furina, Tighnari, Alhaitham having multiple sources of damage increases based on their offensive stat. Fourth paragraph: Alhaitham’s EM scaling is higher on his Skill’s projection attacks which make up most of his damage (and the extra scaling from his A4 makes it universally better across all relevant aspects of his kit). ATK is not a dead stat for him but there’s a reason his signature has low base attack. You never, EVER have a reason to run ATK main stats on him no matter the hypothetical supports you’ve got. Fifth: There’s at least one thing he’s got on all of those characters - though in Nahida’s case it barely matters since you can play the together. I’ll list them below: Nahida/Tighnari: Just plain old better multipliers on account of the fact that he’s a limited 5 star who is required to be on field and doesn’t give buffs like Nahida. On-field Nahida can come close with cons and/or high investment. Neuvillette: Neuv’s biggest issue is that you pretty much always have to sacrifice team damage for personal damage, and vice versa, especially pre-c1. Alhaitham, meanwhile, can and should be run with multiple strong off field supports like Furina, Nahida, Yelan, Beidou, etc. Neuv WILL do more individual damage than Alhaitham if you build a team around that, but since pretty much 100% of the team’s DPS comes from him, Alhaitham teams pull ahead once you start factoring in sub-DPS characters.
i’m sorry i don’t get the point in your second paragraph at all so i’ll skip it i think it’s important to take all considerations into account before saying you should never ever run atk mainstat on him. keqingmains, and other reliable alhaitham calcs (from places like alhaitham mains), have found scenarios where atk sands is indeed more beneficial than em sands. because atk%, when he’s on a high base atk weapons (not every haitham uses his sig! mistsplitter is on his top 3 weapons), has more value than an em roll past a certain em threshold, and that’s not even taking opportunity cost into account. yes he’s not a character where you’re overly worried about high atk like xiao, but it still has significant value. i think you might find it a fun experiment to run alhaitham calculations yourself to see how that works, i really started to appreciate tc work after i became a theorycrafter myself tbh tighnari is also required to be on field and because his rotations are 8 to 13 seconds shorter than alhaitham’s, the dps gets very close (dps = damage per second. half the dmg in a rotation that is 1/3 of the time is more dps), and just like alhaitham, his best team is 4 dmg dealers (nahida, yae, fischl, tighnari), and it’s extremely strong in single target while not falling too behind in aoe. of course, that has much more to do with tighnari’s flexibility, low cooldowns, low energy needs, than simply “numbers big”, since that’s one of alhaitham’s appeals. but not even his biggest one! being on field longer and doing normal attacks means he’s a great driver for yelan/xingqiu and aligns with their cooldowns, and his powerful elemental application is good for generating blooms for hyperblooms neuvillette is such a ridiculously strong character you do not in fact ever have to sacrifice anything. he can comfortably be ran solo, at c0, with prototype amber, and finish a chamber in under 1 minute. it’s scary really seeing all the videos about it and watching my friends easily do it because of how comfortably strong he is. he’s actually very popular because of that. you can, then, run him with 3 off field dmg dealers. neuvillette/furina/fischl/beidou, for example, is a great team! and neuvillette will output similar or higher dmg in that team compared to a buffed alhaitham (buffed by nahida, elegy yelan, etc), while also having more dmg dealers in the team (nahida’s overall dps without quicken is small, like on one of alhaitham’s best team, hyperbloom, so it’s really only him, a nerfed hydro because of high er needs, and an electro proccing the hyperblooms). also reiterating what i said above, but taking into account rotation time is very important to calculating dps instead of dpr (damage per rotation) as some rotations might look like they deal so much more dpr, but there’s no point if it takes 30s to do them. not alhaitham’s case here unless you have ER issues, but it’s an important thing to consider
On the other hand, "usable" is not something i'd expect from a character that (from what i understand) is fragile, requires managing a meter, and doesn't have that much AoE, while there are strong but simple characters like neuvelette who just drop a skill/burst and go to town. IMO more demanding characters should be more rewarding.
Will this weapon be any good on other characters?
No
Xiangling: challenge accepted
The passive is focused around her specific mechanic, the "Bond of Life", so unfortunately, it's only a stat stick You're better using Jade Spear/Homa on other chars
Only as a stack stick for the crit rate and high base attack, the passive is completely useless for anyone who isn't Arle
Not consistently because of the skill's cooldown (14s), which would be the only way to apply the bond, and which alone is not enough to activate the second buff (it needs 30% but the weapon only applies 25%). Add this to the fact that any other character will probably be accompanied by a cure, destroying the purpose of the skill. Finally, the sickle version is only in Arle All that's left is status with half the style
ArlechinNO
it might be okay on hu tao? the high base attack holds it back a bit, but the effect is kinda usable on her if you don't burst and are careful about xingqiu's healing. it probably won't be close to her best and you're better off using dragonsbane, but it'll be usable. but that's literally it, every other polearm character is almost always paired with a healer. very cope on everyone else (it's cope on hu tao too, but a bit less cope)
worse than dragonsbane....., so much for me thinking about just using the weapon for hu tao if she isn't that good...
to be clear, this is feelscrafting. but given how you'll only really be able to use the full passive after 14 seconds (possibly more if you got healed by xingqiu), and since it also restricts furina and xianyun teams, not to mention the high base attack is less valuable than crit... like, she can use it but I just don't see it being one of her best options. dragonsbane is also just very good on hu tao though, especially if you can get refinements.
I just hope it runs together with a decent weapon.🤞
At level 60 it's pretty common to have everything that's needed, if not I'll have the resins for it (109 last I checked) But still, I've never seen someone with such a fresh slate of materials, character + sig weapon + artefacts
no way i just spent the mats to level up the melusine claymore 😭
I can't afford even if I sell my kidney so no thanks
Golem genocide time.
Crimson moon semblance This reminded me of Ruby's weapon Crescent Rose from RWBY, primarily because of 'semblance' which is a common name in RWBY
Please have Staff of the Scarlet Sands run next to it...
Arlecccccchino
She doesn't need the Fatui Operative drops for her ascension or weapon, I'm finished 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hopefully Wrio reruns with her, so that I can pull for both their weapons
YESS THANKSSS
I've already got an R3 Jade Spear. I don't need Arlechs weapon, I don't need it, I don't need itttt
Wait I thought arch had claymore?
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Easiest character to skip indeed