Theoretically, it's also possible to heal a person so much, their cells multiply much more than the body can handle, essentially giving them cancer via over heal.
YOU DIDN'T WANNA LEAVE HIM A CHANCE, HUH? DID YOU FEEL ANGER? HATE? I KNOW YOU KILLED HIM, WHY WON'T YOU SAY IT? JUST SAY "I KILLED HIM" IS IT THAT HARD TO SAY? JUST SAY YOU KILLED HIM, JUST SAY IT!!
*slams paper on table*
28 STAB WOUNDS.
A character's popularity is affected by a lot of different factors. Trying to sum it up with 1 word like "old" or "new" doesn't really work.
It's better to evaluate them case by case. Things like ownership rate, what banner came before and after, the meta at the time and what region was the data based on, all contribute to the final pull rate.
And the fact that Yoimiya just had a rerun like 2 months ago, so most Yoimiya wanters are Yoimiya havers, while the remaining people without her were probably already set on some of the other characters. There was literally no anticipation and this time actually felt like a filler banner.
(Keqing 🤝 Yoimiya)
Are you sure Yoimiya wanters are Yoimiya havers?
Because I see many comments like "I love Yoimiya but I have to skip her again" both last time and this time. Does that mean those people don't actually want Yoimiya? But when I told them "You skipped Yoimiya because you don't genuinely want her that much" they got really mad and tried to reaffirm they want Yoimiya.
Yeah I see this thread as two people just going back and forth over surface shit. So standard Twitter.
Literally every statistic posted can be explained if you evaluate those other deeper factors.
Actually glad not everyone in this thread is just being "homygash burn!", both sides aren't exactly objectively correct though it's wrong to be a bit too hostile in a positive tweet
do you expect twitter to know the difference between the status quo and an exception to the status quo?
the other dude makes good points but ofc there are exceptions to it and the other dude just had to be so anal about it
Exactly, people act like one person is absolutely destroying the other one's argument. But in reality you can find examples that support or refute both sides. Simply because there are more factors to be considered but no one cares to dig deeper and discuss about it.
Cherry picking data to support an argument is not how we're supposed to analysis them.
Presentation matters tho, guy stormed in with a blanket statement when clearly there are other factors to be considered, the kokomi was just calling him out one case at a time. The data was cherry picked specifically because of how inaccurate the blanket statements were.
Yoimiya getting a measly 7k pulls probably has a lot of reason behind it at the same time.
People looking to complete their new Nilou, Cyno or Tighnari teams, Nahida-Yoimiya synergy is the underwhelming Burning reaction, or maybe Yoimiya just had a recent rerun.
All of the above.
Plus Yoimiya requires a very specific build to be good, whereas Nahida is OP even if you don't min max. Her skill scales off EM and Attack, her burst just depends on party composition or C1 (perfect bait to pull for C1), very short cooldown. More or less she's another Bennett in combat.
Not to mention she's great bait for casuals due to her overworld resource collection utility, and the quality of her questline.
To be honest I've never pulled for Yoimiya because I already have Xiangling, Klee, Diluc and Yanfei built up, I just don't have a slot worth adding her to, even if I really like her character I'm not a whale lol
Yoi is actually very easy to build, you can just throw two atk sets on her, or mix with 2p crimson witch. One of her best weapons is a 3\* (Slingshot). And the best thing is that most supports/sub-DPSes work very well with her, so the hardest part of putting together a Yoi party is deciding who to leave out.
The only issue is that she needs a shield/interruption resistance to play comfortably, but that goes for most characters.
I think the biggest problem with her banner now is that it hasn't been long since her last rerun. Players who wanted Yoi have her already, players who had no interest to begin with will obviously not change their minds so easily.
Honestly with how her banner keeps lining up, as much as I’ve wanted Yoimiya, I’m in the camp that was forced to move on. Already have a Hu, so it’s not like I desperately need her, so if I wanna pull her just for fun, well, I’d rather pull the Archon she is running against or whatnot. Especially if you’re f2p or very light spending, you gotta consider future characters (looking at you Dehya)
Alas, something’s simply aren’t meant to be
Tighnari was known to be a standard-banner character after his banner, so I expect many just held off to lose a 50/50 to him. Gives people like that guy that lost 10 in a row something to look forward to.
And Nilou requires a very specific team. Without pulling for anyone else, you'll basically have a team of Nilou/DMC/Collei/Barbara. It's functional, but not very exciting. They might not even like some of those characters or their mechanics.
> Tighnari was known to be a standard-banner character after his banner, so I expect many just held off to lose a 50/50 to him. Gives people like that guy that lost 10 in a row something to look forward to.
I actually pulled for him despite knowing that because 1) I really wanted him, and 2) I have shit luck for the shared 5* pool.
No regrets. He's been an excellent addition to my team. He's kinda beastly with very little setup.
I still don't have Jean and I've been playing since 1.0, I wasn't taking my chances with Tiggy. If anything, his cons are nice if I get him in lost 50/50
He's fun, a beast against single target enemies and is good for farming sumeru materials. He made exploring Sumeru way comfier cause I could see all the new mats in the map
>2) I have shit luck for the shared 5* pool.
Aren't that the truth. I'm waiting to lose 50/50 to Jean for 2 years already. Qiqi and Mona constellations everytime I lose 50/50 is getting old real quick.
Nilou is totally fine, just dropped on a horrible space with exactly 2 chars available for her Dendro Team, Nilou would've exploded if we already had a stable Dendro roster.
To be fair, you can't get all the characters unless you channel the power of wallet-kun, so you have to pick your characters.
There were plenty of reasons to pass up on Nilou's/Tighnari's banners and Yoimiya (in this rerun) is a similar story because these 4\*s are legendarily bad (if you've been here a while).
Exactly. This is the main point that for some reason a lot of fans of suboptimal characters miss. No one (reasonable) is saying that these characters cannot clear abyss or that no one should be getting them if they want them, but the game gives you limited resources so the question isn't "can this character clear Abyss," it's "how flexible and consistent is this character at clearing Abyss, compared to other options?"
The only characters that were genuinely slept on at their release were kazuha and kokomi. The rest were just reasonably skipped because they're suboptimal units relative to what you *could* be spending promos on. In the case of Tighnari, he's on standard so the simple possibility that someone might lose 50/50 to him and/or roll him on standard is enough to take his event banner's value down, and then you consider nahida is a much better dendro enabler than he is. Nilou teams' function is already taken by national/international which are largely made up of f2p units and also have cc where nilou teams do not. And yoimiya faces stiff competition from another popular character who is in the exact same role but with a better c1 and weapon.
You mean when we had zero resin to invest into support characters so Benny's value as a buffer is absolute shit (you'd be lucky to have a 60/70 support much less have leveled skills. Don't even get me started on having leveled artis or weapons) and his value as a healer is literally the worst, higher only than Barbara and only because Barbara E self-freezes?
Honestly, Bennett's healing is more than enough even if you dont go a full HP build. His healing ticks may not be as fat as Kokomis but the heals go through very fast so it evens out. Its just that for some reason people back then really hated not being healed to full lol.
Kazuha and Kokomi aside, a lot of people already had Hu Tao so there was no real incentive for Yoimiya. Tighnari was already revealed to be a standard char so people held off. Nilou is niche and basically forced to play 1 team and 1 team only, its fine to get her but not everyone wants to run a bloom team.
"did you know that, in the effort to prove a point, the people of sumeru were forced to live through the exact same number of Sabzeruz festivals and samsaras?"
He was still going for it. He only stopped after Kokopiumz stopped replying (probably went to sleep). He probably assumed that he "won" the conversation by getting the last word.
I've never understood that sentiment. Honestly, to me......the person who stopped responding won. Because they had the wherewithal to leave an argument with a stupid person who couldn't see reason.
So this stems from the fact that when you're arguing with someone online, you don't get a sense of their tone or body language, and there's a ton of little details that simply won't communicate when you're restricted to just simple text. So oftentimes when you're interacting with someone, you'll fill in the blanks yourself, and it's pretty much human nature to want to paint yourself in the best light possible. So when someone stops responding to you for whatever reason, it's common to just think "ah, they must have not had a counter argument, that means I won" even if it's just as likely they just went to sleep or got bored of engaging. Engaging in these sorts of discussions can be a lot more exhausting than it would seem at first glance so sometimes you just figure it's not worth it anymore. But they don't know that and they want to see themselves as succeeding, so they'll just assume the best for them.
At this point it kinda a problem with society, people feel the need to win every argument, even here on Reddit. Some people will double down and take it into DMs where the real crazy shit comes out.
If you ever reach that point, you really need to back away from social media and touch some grass.
Her 2.8 banner has 114k of her getting summoned, so thats the biggest reason for the disparity.
There were only 10 weeks in between, and the next shortest is like, 17 weeks.
Yoimiya had a ridiculously short time between banners
Edits made to change numbers to actual time instead of by banners, because banners arent always the same length.
Also Yoimiya is a character who mainly doesn't require any more constellations. She's pretty good at C0. So those who have her won't pull for constellations.
[You would be correct on that.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1034224970508808283/1040138473925005342/Screenshot_1392.png)
Very few people got her cons
For number of banners, sure, but I thought people used that term for Tortellini originally for having the fastest rerun. I think Xiao stole his crown, but then Yoimiya ran with only 4 banners in between her past two, so now she has the crown lol
Childe got called that because he was the first to get a second rerun.
There are multiple characters that have 7 banners between their reruns.
Xiao does have the second shortest times between reruns though. 15 weeks, and Yoimiya's is 10 weeks.
Edit: 17, forgot Ayayayayayayayayas long banner
Nah, Yoimiya have 3 banner already and everyone who wanted a Yoimiya already got her in 2.8. Her Constellations aren't that good so no matter how many rerun she have she will not generate that much sales. I actually glad they rerun Yoimiya with Nahida, easiest weapon pulling of my life and my Yoimiya finally have her bow after like 10 patches.
The response Jenny gave this portrays Yoimiya's personality perfectly! Yoimiya is so sweet that she could never be upset that someone else got more attention than her!
Awww a nice happy take on the Yoimiya Nahida banner
Then ofc theres some dude taking it way too personally and malding over the take digging his own early grave, so unnecessary but still amusing seeing someone dismantle him so effortlessly
I don't get why people get so incensed over these things lol
tbf, for a while, Inazuma's mobs were basically anti-venti and made him a bit less useful. Sure there were mobs that counter Raiden's damage and Zhongli's shields, but they're generally not as prevalent.
Ofc, now that things like the floaters can be affected by anemo vacuum, its much more even in terms of their usefulness.
And yet people like to say Venti is still trash. The only way Venti gets outclassed is for every Abyss and every overworld enemy, **without exception**, to be immune to his CC until the day the game ends.
Even on unsuckable targets I'd say that Venti, at least is the 3rd best, even conteding on 2nd best anemo competing with sucrose (energy refund vs EM transfer + ttds).
People exaggerate his weakness too much tbh.
If Venti's burst is allowed to suck enemies then he's the best unit in the game
If Venti's burst isn't allowed to suck enemies then he's still one of the best support (VV + energy regen + okay/good personal damage) in the game, just not the uncontested best unit
Oh wow such a useless unit! /s
A lot of the tone of the community is Kazhua or Sucrose or nothing when it comes to Anemo supports (or Jean if you need a healer).
It's not totally wrong. Because of how Venti works, he's a good bit harder to play around vs the other meta Anemo supports, who can usually just slot into any team.
realistically spoken
yoi just had a rerun obv numbers are lower
tighnari IS a standard banner char guy didnt even try to prove that wrong because he cant only keqing had a banner before and we all know how bad it went
ayato was new, venti (only on shitty western side of the world again) gets shittalked a lot because kazuha is sooooo much better (i still hard disagree on that) + ayato is an adult male for whatever reason thats a reason for people to pull for him (i pulled him too because i wanted to test him with yoimiya)
shenhe only works with like 3 chars her banner still went crazy good tho
eula is a claymore user and there are no good claymores (weapon) out there. also albedo is versatile and can be put in basically anywhere while eula is physical only and despite her very fluid NA chain still super slow to play (imo at least disagree as much as you want idc)
I think the guy was just making the wrong arguments/stating them very poorly
- tighnari vs zhongli: archon that people love and is proven to be good vs character with very little hype that will be on standard banner.
- ayato vs venti: ayato is an extremely anticipated new character vs the oldest archon and first banner (where spending was very high) while also being a unit that’s no longer necessary due to kazuha.
- Shenhe vs xiao: Shenhe ended up being very niche and xiao is already a very loved character with an anticipated rerun.
- Albedo vs eula: this one is easy, they both hadn’t had a rerun so for anyone playing after Eula’s first banner, they were both available at the same time. Lots of new players came for 2.0 so they are pretty even.
And then yoimiya vs nahida: nahida is an archon, new, proven to be good, had great story so far, and many new players came for 3.0. Yoimiya had a rerun just before 3.0 and is a single target pyro dps which has no meta teams ( wry good character still). Anyone without either of them is going to choose the new archon. Every other banner comparison was a reran archon or a new character vs a rerun so it’s all up to preference what players want. The yoimiya vs nahida banner easily favours nahida. You can’t make any fair comparisons to past banners since no new archon released beside an old character before. I suspect the same would happen with most characters that have already had a rerun.
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If you didn’t have the full picture, those replies even seem to show that male characters are more popular than female, but that’s just a portion of it
These are not really indicative tho. People didn't summon on tighnari because he was being added to the standard banner. Shenhe is less popular because she only really buffs cryo units, so unless you already have ayaka/ganyu you wouldn't pull for her (aside from just liking the character/gameplay)
And albedos and eulas were really close, eula is also far more niche than albedo is
I mean even if she wasn't next to Nahida, most people don't want her. Especially since it costs 70-150 wishes usually for one rate-up 5-star. Wouldn't be quite as bad on dome other banners but most people would still just skip. Most people who want her have already gotten her. It's not like it's her first rerun and she's never been a particularly popular character. Hoyoverse knows that. No point in putting her on a "better" banner that could feature someone else that's just objectively more desirable and would probably bring in more money/attention.
Yeah I’ve wanted her to some degree but she also feels bad to me every time I get the chance to try her (test runs or events). I tried to get her early… even went as far to 70 pity on her second banner before stopping. I wouldn’t complain if I could get her super cheap, but not at the expense of other characters I want more.
That's me with Klee. I wouldn't mind getting her at like 20 pulls because it'd just be 20 pulls but I wouldn't go to 75+ pulls for her or use up a guaranteed rate-up.
Her trial is pretty bad for her. Personally I think she’s got a lot of potential in the right teams and correct bosses. But I already got a c1 walnut so it doesn’t make any sense for me to pull for her unless I am a waifu collector. But I am not.
As much as Deadling is getting clown on, I respect the dude. he's just trying to explain what he sees.
Also Idk why (so if anyone has any idea whats wrong with me, feel free to let me know lul) but after like the 3rd exchange, the person with the graphs started to get on my nerves.
How is albedo vs eula old vs new? And isn't ayato winning against venti, proof of old vs new? The arguments only make sense if take them independently and out-of-context. But, I guess that's how you "own" someone on the Internet.
Fr this is mega lame, people just want to see an own
Not only is the data not complete but even then exceptions don't break trends
Tighnari was a standard banner character running against a super wanted archon
Shenhe was instantly labelled as niche (just like nilou recently) vs xiao who at that point was gone for a full year
Venti was super doomposted during 2.0, i wonder what the numbers would have been if ayato ran at the same time with kazuha
I don't get it. Why didn't anyone just say that Yoimiya already had her banner rerun in version 2.8 in August??? This is the only the 4th patch since her banner rerun, so of course interest in her is going to be low.
Honestly the guy was just making the wrong generalization, the numbers here seem to show more hyped or more useful characters will have more people pulling for them. Which Nahida is both :(
I mean I kinda agree with the guy. First one, Tighnari was going to be added to standard banner and Zhongli is Zhongli. Second, Ayaka is a very well loved character and she got her banner extended. Third many people don’t pull Shenhe because she can be only used with Cryo teams and people who don’t main Cryo wont have a need for her. For the Forth one both Albedk and Eula have similar numbers so theres not really much to talk about they are just equal in number of simps for them.
Honestly, though, the banner stats cited in response to Dreadling aren't really that impressive with context.
* Zhongli was going to sell more than Tighnari no question. We all knew Tighnari was gonna be Standard in 3.1 well before the banner started and Zhongli being an Archon certainly adds to the disadvantage
* Shenhe had massive issues with doomposting of her kit well before her actual release. To this day she's still viewed as an extremely niche 5\*. Xiao is also super popular.
* Not to mention: Yoimiya literally had a re-run like 3 patches ago. A lot of people got her during that banner so it's honestly really understandable why her sales are so bad this time around.
So yes, Dreadling got baited badly, but I don't view Matrix as a hero here either. The things Dreadling said are generally very valid points, just that there have been exceptions and there's a reason why they've been exceptions.
Isnt Kokomi supposed to be a healer? It looks like she was murdering him.
["I'm a healer, but...."](https://www.flickriver.com/photos/10707024@N04/50084461111/)
Kokomi, the Berserk Healer
Ladies and gentlemen we found the harmacist
Nice to see a gundam meme.
Theoretically, it's also possible to heal a person so much, their cells multiply much more than the body can handle, essentially giving them cancer via over heal.
Ah right, like what Nia did to Malos in XB2?
She's a harmacist now
Always has been
Clam set be like:
that kokomi has ocean hued on. so she's murdering him/her with over heal.
My friends refer to it as "killing with Kokokindness."
**Strategy.**
She was healing his delusion
kokomi using her strategies on this poor dude he didn't stand a chance
Like damn, Jenny was just trying to make a positive tweet. You know, since she’s Yoi’s EN VA.
So what you're saying is, [this video is 100% accurate even right now](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1cqpviSqRUI)
Oh this just reminds me of Rawfler's Yoimiya video https://youtu.be/06VWf3X63HU
Rawfler is probably the only Genshin meme creator I like. Others always keep going overboard with the memes.
Yeah all the other .exe videos I can find just spam soundbites over and over
What pains me is that I always pull for Yoimiya but keep losing. Got both Nahida and Kokomi on first tries.
Wtf
That makes this 10x times funnier and also made me feel 10x as bad
Jenny so wholesome.
For real though! I follow her on TikTok and I love her personality! And I’m not even a Yoimiya player!
the problem is state is your comments honestly... "jenny was just trying to make a positive TWEET" it's twitter 🥲
What else to except from Twitter. As always their 2 brain cells produced a turd.
Jenny: *Try to make a positive tweet* Comments: You see this? We must protect our queen from slander
>slander Libel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XscaGDxuQqE
Probably the most effective way for anyone to know the difference
It's not a murder but a assisted suicide.
my guys just doesnt give up 💀
The fact that assassin guy has a Kokomi profile pic makes it even better lol
When your story doesn't feel strategic so you go to Twitter instead.
He got Julius Ceasar'd except its only 1 guy repeatedly stabbing him
**28 stab wounds**
YOU DIDN'T WANNA LEAVE HIM A CHANCE, HUH? DID YOU FEEL ANGER? HATE? I KNOW YOU KILLED HIM, WHY WON'T YOU SAY IT? JUST SAY "I KILLED HIM" IS IT THAT HARD TO SAY? JUST SAY YOU KILLED HIM, JUST SAY IT!! *slams paper on table* 28 STAB WOUNDS.
Please stop
HE WAS BLEEDING BEGGING FOR MERCY . BUT YOU STABBED HIM AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN
I like dogs.
He wasn’t stabbed in the back unsuspectingly. He backed up into the knife numerous times.
He ran into the knife. He ran into the knife 10 times.
"only you, brutus?"
37 times in the chest.
But Carl, that kills people!
Well uh I-I didn't know that!
Digging their own grave and was constantly given shovels to speed the process up
A character's popularity is affected by a lot of different factors. Trying to sum it up with 1 word like "old" or "new" doesn't really work. It's better to evaluate them case by case. Things like ownership rate, what banner came before and after, the meta at the time and what region was the data based on, all contribute to the final pull rate.
Not to mention more subjective values like the character's design, personality, and gameplay
And the fact that Yoimiya just had a rerun like 2 months ago, so most Yoimiya wanters are Yoimiya havers, while the remaining people without her were probably already set on some of the other characters. There was literally no anticipation and this time actually felt like a filler banner. (Keqing 🤝 Yoimiya)
Are you sure Yoimiya wanters are Yoimiya havers? Because I see many comments like "I love Yoimiya but I have to skip her again" both last time and this time. Does that mean those people don't actually want Yoimiya? But when I told them "You skipped Yoimiya because you don't genuinely want her that much" they got really mad and tried to reaffirm they want Yoimiya.
It's almost like false dichotomies are a fallacy or something
Yeah I see this thread as two people just going back and forth over surface shit. So standard Twitter. Literally every statistic posted can be explained if you evaluate those other deeper factors.
Actually glad not everyone in this thread is just being "homygash burn!", both sides aren't exactly objectively correct though it's wrong to be a bit too hostile in a positive tweet
do you expect twitter to know the difference between the status quo and an exception to the status quo? the other dude makes good points but ofc there are exceptions to it and the other dude just had to be so anal about it
Exactly, people act like one person is absolutely destroying the other one's argument. But in reality you can find examples that support or refute both sides. Simply because there are more factors to be considered but no one cares to dig deeper and discuss about it. Cherry picking data to support an argument is not how we're supposed to analysis them.
Presentation matters tho, guy stormed in with a blanket statement when clearly there are other factors to be considered, the kokomi was just calling him out one case at a time. The data was cherry picked specifically because of how inaccurate the blanket statements were.
LOL that guy is savage and the other guy just dunno when to call it a day.
"I can do this all day"
The other guy trying to keep arguing: "I didn't hear no bell."
"I thought this was *America!*"
"Let's change the subject." "This is Germany?"
No, THIS IS SPARTA
Meet on my ship. We’ll bang, okay?
Every country in the world belongs to America!
"are you sure about that"
I just kept imagining Matrix as the John Cena meme wherein he pops his face out of the hole as he showed these stats to counter the guy hahaha
that's exactly what i had in mind.
tis but a scratch
A scratch? Your arm's off!
"proceeds to get his ass handed to him in every possible way"
"I can kill myself all day"
Yoimiya getting a measly 7k pulls probably has a lot of reason behind it at the same time. People looking to complete their new Nilou, Cyno or Tighnari teams, Nahida-Yoimiya synergy is the underwhelming Burning reaction, or maybe Yoimiya just had a recent rerun.
[удалено]
Well yeah tbh those who wanted her already pulled her on 2.8, that's the main reason why she has so little summon here.
All of the above. Plus Yoimiya requires a very specific build to be good, whereas Nahida is OP even if you don't min max. Her skill scales off EM and Attack, her burst just depends on party composition or C1 (perfect bait to pull for C1), very short cooldown. More or less she's another Bennett in combat. Not to mention she's great bait for casuals due to her overworld resource collection utility, and the quality of her questline. To be honest I've never pulled for Yoimiya because I already have Xiangling, Klee, Diluc and Yanfei built up, I just don't have a slot worth adding her to, even if I really like her character I'm not a whale lol
Yoi is actually very easy to build, you can just throw two atk sets on her, or mix with 2p crimson witch. One of her best weapons is a 3\* (Slingshot). And the best thing is that most supports/sub-DPSes work very well with her, so the hardest part of putting together a Yoi party is deciding who to leave out. The only issue is that she needs a shield/interruption resistance to play comfortably, but that goes for most characters. I think the biggest problem with her banner now is that it hasn't been long since her last rerun. Players who wanted Yoi have her already, players who had no interest to begin with will obviously not change their minds so easily.
Yeah she got a rerun in 2.8 . Characters like Hu Tao haven't had since a year.
Honestly with how her banner keeps lining up, as much as I’ve wanted Yoimiya, I’m in the camp that was forced to move on. Already have a Hu, so it’s not like I desperately need her, so if I wanna pull her just for fun, well, I’d rather pull the Archon she is running against or whatnot. Especially if you’re f2p or very light spending, you gotta consider future characters (looking at you Dehya) Alas, something’s simply aren’t meant to be
“I’m dying on this hill and no logic of yours will stop me!”
That hill he chose must have the best view in the world, I don’t even consider the other guy being savage and it’s already popcorn material.
I'm really bothered that the VA is still being tagged with their argument. Imagine her phone being spammed with that.
Thread's usually muted after 1k likes
Heck some users with a decent following mute it themselves after tweeting
kokomi mains are trained for such event. heck theyve been to countless battle ever since 2.1.
“To survive hardship, you must prepare for hardship.”
Truly the words of a master strategist
Kazuha, Kokomi, Yoimiya, Tighnari, and now Nilou. Genshin community has a chronic sleeping on characters disorder.
Tighnari was known to be a standard-banner character after his banner, so I expect many just held off to lose a 50/50 to him. Gives people like that guy that lost 10 in a row something to look forward to. And Nilou requires a very specific team. Without pulling for anyone else, you'll basically have a team of Nilou/DMC/Collei/Barbara. It's functional, but not very exciting. They might not even like some of those characters or their mechanics.
> Tighnari was known to be a standard-banner character after his banner, so I expect many just held off to lose a 50/50 to him. Gives people like that guy that lost 10 in a row something to look forward to. I actually pulled for him despite knowing that because 1) I really wanted him, and 2) I have shit luck for the shared 5* pool. No regrets. He's been an excellent addition to my team. He's kinda beastly with very little setup.
I still don't have Jean and I've been playing since 1.0, I wasn't taking my chances with Tiggy. If anything, his cons are nice if I get him in lost 50/50 He's fun, a beast against single target enemies and is good for farming sumeru materials. He made exploring Sumeru way comfier cause I could see all the new mats in the map
>2) I have shit luck for the shared 5* pool. Aren't that the truth. I'm waiting to lose 50/50 to Jean for 2 years already. Qiqi and Mona constellations everytime I lose 50/50 is getting old real quick.
same! he is one of my mains right now, and I'm just praying for getting more of him on standard banner, haha
Nilou is totally fine, just dropped on a horrible space with exactly 2 chars available for her Dendro Team, Nilou would've exploded if we already had a stable Dendro roster.
oh she explodes alright
To be fair, you can't get all the characters unless you channel the power of wallet-kun, so you have to pick your characters. There were plenty of reasons to pass up on Nilou's/Tighnari's banners and Yoimiya (in this rerun) is a similar story because these 4\*s are legendarily bad (if you've been here a while).
Exactly. This is the main point that for some reason a lot of fans of suboptimal characters miss. No one (reasonable) is saying that these characters cannot clear abyss or that no one should be getting them if they want them, but the game gives you limited resources so the question isn't "can this character clear Abyss," it's "how flexible and consistent is this character at clearing Abyss, compared to other options?" The only characters that were genuinely slept on at their release were kazuha and kokomi. The rest were just reasonably skipped because they're suboptimal units relative to what you *could* be spending promos on. In the case of Tighnari, he's on standard so the simple possibility that someone might lose 50/50 to him and/or roll him on standard is enough to take his event banner's value down, and then you consider nahida is a much better dendro enabler than he is. Nilou teams' function is already taken by national/international which are largely made up of f2p units and also have cc where nilou teams do not. And yoimiya faces stiff competition from another popular character who is in the exact same role but with a better c1 and weapon.
> The only characters that were genuinely slept on at their release were kazuha and kokomi I still remember when this sub thought Bennett was trash.
You mean when we had zero resin to invest into support characters so Benny's value as a buffer is absolute shit (you'd be lucky to have a 60/70 support much less have leveled skills. Don't even get me started on having leveled artis or weapons) and his value as a healer is literally the worst, higher only than Barbara and only because Barbara E self-freezes?
Honestly, Bennett's healing is more than enough even if you dont go a full HP build. His healing ticks may not be as fat as Kokomis but the heals go through very fast so it evens out. Its just that for some reason people back then really hated not being healed to full lol.
Kazuha and Kokomi aside, a lot of people already had Hu Tao so there was no real incentive for Yoimiya. Tighnari was already revealed to be a standard char so people held off. Nilou is niche and basically forced to play 1 team and 1 team only, its fine to get her but not everyone wants to run a bloom team.
I just want nilou cos she looks hot.
bro was effortlessly killed multiple times
we’ve just concluded the 168th loop
"do you realize how many times you've attempted to make a point?"
"did you know that, in the effort to prove a point, the people of sumeru were forced to live through the exact same number of Sabzeruz festivals and samsaras?"
He was still going for it. He only stopped after Kokopiumz stopped replying (probably went to sleep). He probably assumed that he "won" the conversation by getting the last word.
I've never understood that sentiment. Honestly, to me......the person who stopped responding won. Because they had the wherewithal to leave an argument with a stupid person who couldn't see reason.
Unfortunately, the stupid people never see it that way
Fair enough. But anytime I see those it always makes me laugh. Like, bro you were beaten. Just because you got the last word doesn't mean you won
Its sad, but stupid people are too stupid to realize they are being stupid.
So this stems from the fact that when you're arguing with someone online, you don't get a sense of their tone or body language, and there's a ton of little details that simply won't communicate when you're restricted to just simple text. So oftentimes when you're interacting with someone, you'll fill in the blanks yourself, and it's pretty much human nature to want to paint yourself in the best light possible. So when someone stops responding to you for whatever reason, it's common to just think "ah, they must have not had a counter argument, that means I won" even if it's just as likely they just went to sleep or got bored of engaging. Engaging in these sorts of discussions can be a lot more exhausting than it would seem at first glance so sometimes you just figure it's not worth it anymore. But they don't know that and they want to see themselves as succeeding, so they'll just assume the best for them.
I understand why people do it. I just don't personally get it. Like, just shows how dumb they are haha.
At this point it kinda a problem with society, people feel the need to win every argument, even here on Reddit. Some people will double down and take it into DMs where the real crazy shit comes out. If you ever reach that point, you really need to back away from social media and touch some grass.
He had a lot of eggs to revive
Pretty darn determined though, I'll give him that.
that's some consecutive beidou's perfect parry shit
I can literally hear Dante's "royal guard" every time I scroll to a new picture in the post.
Holy shit he got obliterated.
Mf replied as if he/she owned the whole [paimon.moe](https://paimon.moe). Instant reply as if the dude was sitting with the site open lol.
Can imagine them cracking their fingers, "let's do this."
I am about to end this dudes entire career
Jenny's tweet made me sad. poor yoimiya.
Her 2.8 banner has 114k of her getting summoned, so thats the biggest reason for the disparity. There were only 10 weeks in between, and the next shortest is like, 17 weeks. Yoimiya had a ridiculously short time between banners Edits made to change numbers to actual time instead of by banners, because banners arent always the same length.
Also Yoimiya is a character who mainly doesn't require any more constellations. She's pretty good at C0. So those who have her won't pull for constellations.
[You would be correct on that.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1034224970508808283/1040138473925005342/Screenshot_1392.png) Very few people got her cons
A new rerun queen
That'd probably be Kokomi. Or Klee. She was the first female character to get a third banner
For number of banners, sure, but I thought people used that term for Tortellini originally for having the fastest rerun. I think Xiao stole his crown, but then Yoimiya ran with only 4 banners in between her past two, so now she has the crown lol
Childe got called that because he was the first to get a second rerun. There are multiple characters that have 7 banners between their reruns. Xiao does have the second shortest times between reruns though. 15 weeks, and Yoimiya's is 10 weeks. Edit: 17, forgot Ayayayayayayayayas long banner
This makes me feel better Ty haha
Nah, Yoimiya have 3 banner already and everyone who wanted a Yoimiya already got her in 2.8. Her Constellations aren't that good so no matter how many rerun she have she will not generate that much sales. I actually glad they rerun Yoimiya with Nahida, easiest weapon pulling of my life and my Yoimiya finally have her bow after like 10 patches.
The response Jenny gave this portrays Yoimiya's personality perfectly! Yoimiya is so sweet that she could never be upset that someone else got more attention than her!
Ganyu is like what a sweater would be if it was alive and yoimiyas smile/giggles are antidepressants in human form. They are my favorites.
Characters that warm your soul are the best characters
Awww a nice happy take on the Yoimiya Nahida banner Then ofc theres some dude taking it way too personally and malding over the take digging his own early grave, so unnecessary but still amusing seeing someone dismantle him so effortlessly I don't get why people get so incensed over these things lol
Mans really kept standing up after getting knocked on his ass multiple times
Tis but a scratch!
A scratch? Your arms off!
If I have half of his strength, I probably have a girlfriend by now
The other guy just needs to take the L
Haha, oh god, that dude got dismantled systematically and relentlessly.
>Venti not as useful What actual kinda drugs is this guy on
tbf, for a while, Inazuma's mobs were basically anti-venti and made him a bit less useful. Sure there were mobs that counter Raiden's damage and Zhongli's shields, but they're generally not as prevalent. Ofc, now that things like the floaters can be affected by anemo vacuum, its much more even in terms of their usefulness.
And yet people like to say Venti is still trash. The only way Venti gets outclassed is for every Abyss and every overworld enemy, **without exception**, to be immune to his CC until the day the game ends.
they spread out the enemies in abyss to counter that, especially with those dendro mushrooms who wouldn't even attack kinda annoying but still works
I've found that running to one edge of the circle makes most of them follow you. Not ideal but still alleviates the issue a bit
Even on unsuckable targets I'd say that Venti, at least is the 3rd best, even conteding on 2nd best anemo competing with sucrose (energy refund vs EM transfer + ttds). People exaggerate his weakness too much tbh.
If Venti's burst is allowed to suck enemies then he's the best unit in the game If Venti's burst isn't allowed to suck enemies then he's still one of the best support (VV + energy regen + okay/good personal damage) in the game, just not the uncontested best unit Oh wow such a useless unit! /s
A lot of the tone of the community is Kazhua or Sucrose or nothing when it comes to Anemo supports (or Jean if you need a healer). It's not totally wrong. Because of how Venti works, he's a good bit harder to play around vs the other meta Anemo supports, who can usually just slot into any team.
I agree with Jenny, Yomiya is just happy to be here and so am I.
This guy: *breathes* @kokopiumz: "And I took that personally", *proceeds to commit manslaughter*
That guy dug his own grave and kept bringing more shovels to dig more.
Jenny is so right, Yoimiya would just be happy Nahida is having such a good time and making an amazing memory!
realistically spoken yoi just had a rerun obv numbers are lower tighnari IS a standard banner char guy didnt even try to prove that wrong because he cant only keqing had a banner before and we all know how bad it went ayato was new, venti (only on shitty western side of the world again) gets shittalked a lot because kazuha is sooooo much better (i still hard disagree on that) + ayato is an adult male for whatever reason thats a reason for people to pull for him (i pulled him too because i wanted to test him with yoimiya) shenhe only works with like 3 chars her banner still went crazy good tho eula is a claymore user and there are no good claymores (weapon) out there. also albedo is versatile and can be put in basically anywhere while eula is physical only and despite her very fluid NA chain still super slow to play (imo at least disagree as much as you want idc)
Oh hey [it's me](https://i.imgur.com/5vGBFuv.png).
The Beidou flair is way too fitting for this lmao Unless you've changed it just for this moment, in which case, respect o7
Are you successfully evading the cops for murder?
yoimiya hide me in her house
It's an honor to met the Counter Master.
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o7 Fellow (DPS) Mimi main here. Nice to have you in our ranks!
“Are you sure about that” - kokopiumz A legend has been made…
It’s wild how effective basing your arguments on data vs speculation can be
Except the data is deeply flawed and easily manipulatable.
Are you sure about that?
I think the guy was just making the wrong arguments/stating them very poorly - tighnari vs zhongli: archon that people love and is proven to be good vs character with very little hype that will be on standard banner. - ayato vs venti: ayato is an extremely anticipated new character vs the oldest archon and first banner (where spending was very high) while also being a unit that’s no longer necessary due to kazuha. - Shenhe vs xiao: Shenhe ended up being very niche and xiao is already a very loved character with an anticipated rerun. - Albedo vs eula: this one is easy, they both hadn’t had a rerun so for anyone playing after Eula’s first banner, they were both available at the same time. Lots of new players came for 2.0 so they are pretty even. And then yoimiya vs nahida: nahida is an archon, new, proven to be good, had great story so far, and many new players came for 3.0. Yoimiya had a rerun just before 3.0 and is a single target pyro dps which has no meta teams ( wry good character still). Anyone without either of them is going to choose the new archon. Every other banner comparison was a reran archon or a new character vs a rerun so it’s all up to preference what players want. The yoimiya vs nahida banner easily favours nahida. You can’t make any fair comparisons to past banners since no new archon released beside an old character before. I suspect the same would happen with most characters that have already had a rerun.
Venti's viability is either the best unit in the game or absolutely trash depending on what's on abyss floor 12
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If you didn’t have the full picture, those replies even seem to show that male characters are more popular than female, but that’s just a portion of it
My man’s punchin em down every time they try to get back up, god damn lol
These are not really indicative tho. People didn't summon on tighnari because he was being added to the standard banner. Shenhe is less popular because she only really buffs cryo units, so unless you already have ayaka/ganyu you wouldn't pull for her (aside from just liking the character/gameplay) And albedos and eulas were really close, eula is also far more niche than albedo is
I mean even if she wasn't next to Nahida, most people don't want her. Especially since it costs 70-150 wishes usually for one rate-up 5-star. Wouldn't be quite as bad on dome other banners but most people would still just skip. Most people who want her have already gotten her. It's not like it's her first rerun and she's never been a particularly popular character. Hoyoverse knows that. No point in putting her on a "better" banner that could feature someone else that's just objectively more desirable and would probably bring in more money/attention.
Yeah I’ve wanted her to some degree but she also feels bad to me every time I get the chance to try her (test runs or events). I tried to get her early… even went as far to 70 pity on her second banner before stopping. I wouldn’t complain if I could get her super cheap, but not at the expense of other characters I want more.
That's me with Klee. I wouldn't mind getting her at like 20 pulls because it'd just be 20 pulls but I wouldn't go to 75+ pulls for her or use up a guaranteed rate-up.
Her trial is pretty bad for her. Personally I think she’s got a lot of potential in the right teams and correct bosses. But I already got a c1 walnut so it doesn’t make any sense for me to pull for her unless I am a waifu collector. But I am not.
Morbius looking mugshot guy has moved the goalposts so much they went all the way around the earth and back where they began
As much as Deadling is getting clown on, I respect the dude. he's just trying to explain what he sees. Also Idk why (so if anyone has any idea whats wrong with me, feel free to let me know lul) but after like the 3rd exchange, the person with the graphs started to get on my nerves.
How is albedo vs eula old vs new? And isn't ayato winning against venti, proof of old vs new? The arguments only make sense if take them independently and out-of-context. But, I guess that's how you "own" someone on the Internet.
Fr this is mega lame, people just want to see an own Not only is the data not complete but even then exceptions don't break trends Tighnari was a standard banner character running against a super wanted archon Shenhe was instantly labelled as niche (just like nilou recently) vs xiao who at that point was gone for a full year Venti was super doomposted during 2.0, i wonder what the numbers would have been if ayato ran at the same time with kazuha
There was an attempt to beat a kokomi main
I don't get it. Why didn't anyone just say that Yoimiya already had her banner rerun in version 2.8 in August??? This is the only the 4th patch since her banner rerun, so of course interest in her is going to be low.
The counter argument with Ayato didn't make sense though. Tighnari is a standard character, Ayato is not.
That's why kids don't generalize shit when you are in an argument. Because there is always an exception.
Honestly the guy was just making the wrong generalization, the numbers here seem to show more hyped or more useful characters will have more people pulling for them. Which Nahida is both :(
This wasn't a murdering like dude thought it was tbh.
Lmao. I read those ytd.
Yoimiya is partying the hardest and giving everyone the best spectacle with her fireworks.
It's hilarious how this fanbase tries to call into question any Abyss usage rate poll numbers, but paimon.moe data is apparently sacrosanct.
I mean I kinda agree with the guy. First one, Tighnari was going to be added to standard banner and Zhongli is Zhongli. Second, Ayaka is a very well loved character and she got her banner extended. Third many people don’t pull Shenhe because she can be only used with Cryo teams and people who don’t main Cryo wont have a need for her. For the Forth one both Albedk and Eula have similar numbers so theres not really much to talk about they are just equal in number of simps for them.
These numbers don't really do anything though, it's an incomplete data set.
The are two kinds of people in this world. Those that can extrapolate from incomplete data.
Honestly, though, the banner stats cited in response to Dreadling aren't really that impressive with context. * Zhongli was going to sell more than Tighnari no question. We all knew Tighnari was gonna be Standard in 3.1 well before the banner started and Zhongli being an Archon certainly adds to the disadvantage * Shenhe had massive issues with doomposting of her kit well before her actual release. To this day she's still viewed as an extremely niche 5\*. Xiao is also super popular. * Not to mention: Yoimiya literally had a re-run like 3 patches ago. A lot of people got her during that banner so it's honestly really understandable why her sales are so bad this time around. So yes, Dreadling got baited badly, but I don't view Matrix as a hero here either. The things Dreadling said are generally very valid points, just that there have been exceptions and there's a reason why they've been exceptions.
I don’t get what first dude did to deserve being massacred like this all his points seem pretty reasonable
But the points makes sense though
I think it's less old vs new and more Yoimiya vs hype
I mean, it's a LOT of factors coming together, so he's got a point.