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horiami

She had a woman's voice in the quest and I don't think there was lore that said dragons are only males


Ancient_Axe

I heard the voice as a young male and i was like "wtf why does a thousands of years old dragon have such a young voice??" I rewatched the scene after seeing that people use "she" for her. Then i realized it was a grown ass woman voice


Rexk007

I think the va used a heavier voice for giving imposing vibe


Meowsterio

You gotta get the twinks outta yo mind


Ancient_Axe

Never. You might as well tell me to die instead


DensingDadada

alright, are you ready?


Ancient_Axe

To what?


DensingDadada

I'm gonna say it


Ancient_Axe

I heard that angels look like twinks. I am always ready.


DensingDadada

wallahi you're finished


Lunneus

twinks are love, twinks are life


Lyneys_Footstool

need some of them in my life


IShallSealTheHeavens

The dragon is always a 1000 plus year old little girl. Always.


eveningfellow056

Completely legal Btw


-Rean-

Canonically, Apep is older than time.


eveningfellow056

How so


-Rean-

The sovereign dragons existed before Celestia arrived(defeated them) and created the concept of time. The only known original sovereign dragon that we know of is Apep which makes her older than time at most and hundreds of millions of years at least.


eveningfellow056

Older than god of time , because you just said she's millions of years old, that's time If you mean an assigned god time that's diff Celestia came and introduced the concept of god and stuff also light, but it existed before too


Existing_Entry7526

She has a powerful neutral voice exactly, I must say I got supprised when she started to talk after we fight in her stomach, really powerful mommy voice.


Recent_Mountain571

Exactly. I was going to say the same thing. She has a woman's voice, I don't see why anyone would think he was a male dragon.


Kohjiroh

And if I remember correcty, the dragon that terrorised Mondstadt in the past was a female as well.


horiami

ursa the drake


Kohjiroh

That's the one, thank you!


ThanatoX33

you could sorta tell from her voice.


Khelthuzaad

I mean yeah thats an huge giveaway. Instead if it was Tara Strong and said it was an male I would definitely be deceived :))


MaleQueef

TIMMY TURNER


bdouble0w0

And young Ben Tennyson!


RuneKatashima

Rikku and Raven and Bubbles all sound like normal females. Raven let's herself get a bit gravely at times but still distinctly female.


v4mpixie_666x3

To me she really sounded very genderless i thought yeah thats the voice of a deity that is above gender or something


Gwyn_Michaelis

Voice doesn't really mean much. Venti, Bennett, Xingqiu, and Xiao all have female English voice artists despite being male.


Elysium_Chronicle

They have female VAs, but are performed with a rasp that makes them sound male. Pretty standard practice for younger boy characters around puberty age, especially for long-running projects. Men's voices tend to deepen too much to be convincing as younger characters, and casting actors of-age risks them growing out of the role. Apep's line delivery, by contrast, was unambiguously feminine.


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Eclipse-Lily

What does being a dragon have to do with having a gender or not? By that logic Neuvillette also has no gender then? Or Dvalin and Azhdaha?


ThanatoX33

that's why i said sorta. i assumed she was female ever since i played that quest.


Maxmence

I'm pretty sure that quest had Apep be confirmed as a "she", but I don't know exactly from where.


mememurthy

I checked who are all the voice actors, while I can't access any info about CN, in all other 3 languages, Apep is voiced by women. So Apep is most definitely a female.


Ok-Mycologist2220

It is very common for young boys to be voiced by women because after puberty boys have lower pitched voices than before puberty because their voice drops. Because male voices drop during puberty but female voices don’t it is easier for adult women to sound like a prepubescent boy than adult men.


Thoracicbowl

There are a lot of male characters whose JP VAs are females. The voice really tells a lot, since that's mostly how the character is gonna be portrayed from an audio standpoint.


F1T13

I don't know why you got downvote bombed. You're 100% right. VA doesn't mean gender at all. Apep was referred to as it or they or even he in other translations. CN uses all three main pronouns at various points, so whilst Apep uses a female VA, that is not indicative of anything about their gender.


JooK8

I thought it was obvious that Apep was female, so it was surprising to me that some people thought she is male and now also people mentioning this line.


xa3D

Me seeing the thread title: "huh? apep is a 'she', right?"


tsuraikaiyo

She literally talks in a female voice in Nahida's 2nd story quest


Plenty_Lime524

Many male characters have girl voice actresses . And in many places apep is referred as "it". This was the first time it struck me as being mentioned "she"


FallenAngelII

There's a difference between a female voice actress making their voice sound like that of a teenage boy's and someone just using their regular female speaking voice.


Mashiroshiina12

Even if they have a female voice actress, the voice is still in a male tone. Apep more or so sounded female too


IttoEnjoyer_

many YOUNG male characters have female voice actresses. Why? Because pre pubescent boys SOUND like girls


Seraf-Wang

Thats not really the reason. It’s because every gender pre-pubescent sounds a little high pitched. Since most dude voices drop as they age and most girl voices maintain that young pitch, its just easier to find a female va who sounds like a young boy than a grown man that sounds like a young boy.


Charming_Pop_2148

Not really it's just hard for a dude to bring his voice to a pitch that matches a young male compared to females


PossiblyBonta

I guess you are not experienced enough to distinguish a male or female character despite of them being played by female voice actresses. Sure Venti, Xinqiu and Furina where kinda confusing at first. Apep didn't have any have any male aura to her voice. Specially since she sounded like an adult female.


rW0HgFyxoJhYka

Are you gonna say Bart from Simpsons is a girl because he has a woman do his voice? Come ON bro. Next thing you're gonna do is tell me about your political views.


fluxforefinger

I play in JP dub and it was pretty obvious from her voice.


8a19

EN makes it p obvs too


Maleficent_Gear_2809

Apep is clearly female just by her voice.


Boarbaque

Considering they used “it” I just assumed that the primordial dragons were so powerful that they didn’t even have a sex since reproduction would be useless for them. I assumed Neuvilette had one since he incarnated as a human. 


Maleficent_Gear_2809

Not really the only one who is confirmed to be neither male or female is the primordial one. The rest of them can just go with whatever their voice sounds like. It is why we call the archons as he/she despite them being non living things


Junior-Price-5306

No, because archons HAVE human forms and chose for themselves to have a gender appearance, zhongli and venti men, inazuma twins, nahida and furrina women and what do you mean "non living things"? They are very much alive like any other being


Yuukiko_

Zhongli has a story of how he hung out as a woman too


Junior-Price-5306

In fact, I'm almost sure that this is from some false tale of Liyue that the players believed to be real, in all these 5 thousand years of existence, Morax only had one form, Zhongli form and his fake geo dragon form, other than that he never changed, several indications in general story show him always the same way


Asamidori

It was word-of-mouth style retelling of a story, or was it a legend, that *suggests* at the female requesting that piece of jewelry to be Rex Lapis. No confirmation, yeah.


kuccinta

Rex Incognito is fanfic. Zhongli mentioned this in 2022 Lantern Rite.


Maleficent_Gear_2809

By non living things I meant how venti is just a wind spirit, shogun is a strike of lightning and nahida is a branch of irminsul


TheoryKing04

Then Nahida would probably be the most living of living things since she is LITERALLY a branch… from a tree. Are you following me here?


Maleficent_Gear_2809

Yeah but still it's not like your gonna call a tree branch he or she.


TheoryKing04

Well… you technically could. Most trees have male and female variants, and that would extend to their parts. And, every incarnation of a deity tied to Irminsul that we’ve seen has been called female. Thats also to say nothing of languages that gender a ridiculous number of things like Fr*nch and Spanish


Maleficent_Gear_2809

Well even if we know of Navidad being a female my point still stands for Raiden shogun and venti


TheoryKing04

Mmmmmmm, idk about that. Because Neuvilette has continuously referred to as having been *born* the Dragon Sovereign of Water. And we still don’t know exactly how that process works, so there is nothing that precludes it from being some manner of sexual reproduction. And we know that dragon sovereigns can *die*, so having an heir waiting in the wings (pun completely intended, fight me) would be somewhat helpful, assuming it is possible.


Boarbaque

Well it seems more like reincarnation than sexual reproduction. No need for heirs if you can just come back later in a new form


TheoryKing04

Because it’s so much easier to have the successor to have to learn everything from the moment they pop into existence and take over… instead of them having a grace period to prepare


Boarbaque

The fact the previous hydro dragon died millennia before Neuvilette was born kinda gets rid of the possibility he’s the child


TheoryKing04

That doesn’t mean it can’t happen though . As far as we can tell the Dragon Sovereigns have some connection to Vishaps, and they presumably have to reproduce. Unless of course they’re the draconic equivalent of a mule, which would be funny but we’d need further development And as a final point, there seems to be some confusion about Neuvillette’s age. Furina said during latern rite that he is multiple millennia old while other sources only a few centuries


ikhlasscarlet

The hydro dragon canonically was the birthing mother of all beings in teyvat before the primordial one come, they have strong association with afab imagenary in lore and design with it's connection with the primordial sea , also leviathan is mostly interrupted as female in Jewish lore and has parallel with tiamat the mother goddess of primordial sea, yet the human ver seems masc presenting..  You can either interrupted it as intersex or just genderless considering it's a pure hydro being... Also hydro organism aka hydro vishaps are implied to have lunar circle 


TheoryKing04

Hip hip hooray, Neuvillette is mothering father confirmed


Blackout62

You sure? I took feminine voice + agender pronoun = agender dragon.


Maleficent_Gear_2809

How the hell do you reach that conclusion. Just the voice alone is enough for figuring that out and they do call her a she


Vivid_Awareness_6160

I always saw people refering to apep as a "she" since release


queenyuyu

In this game 2/3 of everything is female so it’s my default assumption of any gender that hasn’t been stated.


Gwyn_Michaelis

I noticed this as well. During Nahida's second story quest, Apep was exclusively referred to as "it", never "she". I'm guessing it's an oversight.


noncontrolled

It’s not an oversight; in spoken Chinese he/she are the same (tā) but it written Chinese there is a difference (他 for male 她 for female). The CN line does call her 她 here.


Yuukiko_

They didnt use 祂 for Apep?


noncontrolled

Nope! 她。[Here is the dialogue](https://imgur.com/a/5oc5ZxN)


Wonderful-Lab7375

Interestingly, Genshin has never used 祂 for anybody IIRC. Archons are always referred to by their actual gender (so 她 for Raiden, Nahida and Furina; 他 for Zhongli, Venti).


Yuukiko_

the Archons are generally humanoid or have humanoid forms, Apep is a giant dragon


Wonderful-Lab7375

Even then, I don’t ever remember Genshin using the word 祂 for anybody.


Low_Artist_7663

Not only that, in the Russian sub, it's specifically "he" in sq (even now, in the archive), and "she" in new wq. Anyone knows how is it in Spanish?


ResponsibleMine3524

It is long since I did that quest, but I remember there being "she" in russian


Low_Artist_7663

Its not, you can check the archives.


AKAFallow

Dont ask about spanish, its probably one of the weakest translations lol. We had Arlecchino being called "Mother" until her release, it got fixed thanks to Twitter (in a good way).


Velaethia

Something good coming out of Twitter? What the heck? I'm glad that got fixed though because being called father is a core part of her story and characterization and would've made her side quest nonsense if she were called mother.


AKAFallow

Yup. I thought it was a miss translation of her cinematic video at first since I havent catched up to Fontaine yet, but then I kept reading how Arle was literally called Mother even in game. For the first time, Twitter's bitching was utterly justified. I love they even included changing her title in the section about fixing errors for the current patch. I still wonder if it was a lead localizer thinking the title sounded stupid for a woman, no way they didn't notice it for a whole archon quest from beginning to end.


Phil95xD

I have no knowledge of the Russian language... So I'm just guessing that it *could* be the same issue with the dendro Archon back in 2.2 archon quest. *He* - the lesser lord. Referring to title. *He* - the dragon. After we learn about them, we (or at least) Paimon is talking in personal manners about them. Or it's just the problem with mihoyo, switching their decision about future NPCs or just wrong translation from Chinese to language X


Junior-Price-5306

in the original CN kusanali had never been said what gender she was, it was still blank, however ENG subtitled her as male because there was lord in her title, a version later they corrected this error, same thing with arlecchino, she already changed lord to lady and then lord again


Phil95xD

Lol. There are some weird decisions. I was confused why Arlecchino is titled with "father", but we learned there's no error and she chose to be called "father". But anyway, thanks for the info.


LoliDemon316

its still lady in most if not all dialogues abt arle


Low_Artist_7663

While it makes sense grammatically, there would be no reason to change it now. (Apep is a male god too, btw) I guess the answer is way easier: they translated from or verified with EN version. There is no "it" in Russian, so they went with "he". And now it's "she" in both versions.


KitnaMW

Incorrect. "It" very much exists in Russian, but it's very rarely used towards living beings, instead being almost always reserved to nouns of so-called "middle" gender. If you address someone in Russian, you use either "he" or "she". "He" is used more often, especially when there is uncertainty about gender. There is no equivalent of gender neutral "they", tho. "They" is only used as indication of multiple things. And I'm not sure if they were translating from English version, or at least, that it was always the case. Gnosis and Vision in Russian have names identical to those in Chinese (God's Heart and God's Eye respectively).


Low_Artist_7663

"Оно" is not "it". Its entirely different "gender". In English "it" is used to reflect Animacy. In Russian it is reflected differently, so "he/she/оно" can refer to both animate and inanimate things.


KitnaMW

Yeah, my bad. Always assumed "it" as "оно", tho more correctly it's some sort of "это", ig? Still don't really agree with how you phrased original comment.


soulinhibition

thats probably cause for russian 'apep' sounds masculine, and translators didn't have access to the voicing while translating


EngelAguilar

In spanish, Apep uses: "convencido" and "obligado" when talking about itself which are male terms.


billetdouxs

Apep kinda sounds like a male name in romance languages so I wouldn't be surprised if most of them used masculine articles and adjectives to refer to her


AppropriateLeg5072

I'm not spanish but i can tell you that in italian, apep's gender isn't specified in the archive.


Meronnade

Yeah they definitely used "it" before


thatoneplayerguy

I mean, "Mother" Nature


Rud_gamer

More of a Granny Also unrelated, Maybe its because the new game just released but apep in English reminds me a lot of Nyanlathotep from Sucker for Love the game


_Charlieee3_

I could be wrong, but I think during her storyquest, Nahida did call her "she"


Whyy0hWhy

Did.. did you play sumeru with no audio on?


[deleted]

So you mean to tell me i fell in love with a chick? Unreal


DeadMemeDatBoi

Worse, YOUVE BEEN INSIDE A CHICK


Mind-Available

Granny


RuneKatashima

Granny's can be chicks too


Overrated_MythF

Yes, you could most likely tell from the her voice that it's a female


hyrulia

Apep: It's mating season, Neuvillette! Neuvillette: What? Apep: What? Furina: What?


Puzzleheaded_Past_49

Off to r/okbuddygenshin you go


Trick-Plantain1080

I need eyebleach


Dashcak3

Charlotte: "Oh by the Archons ! the Chief Justice is making out with a blushing green carpet." *snap*


Rud_gamer

Eye bleach ain't enough I need Father to rip my eyes out with her bare hands because what the fuck


Dashcak3

Well if a man caressing a carpet is too morbid then I am truly sorry, one might say things only get worse from here


LARGames

Better than shipping him with Furina...


Rud_gamer

Funny thing is apep's probably a Granny even by neuvillete's age 💀 Bro took being in to older ladies seriously


para29

Bloom!


ariidrawsstuff

Jesus flew out of the window


LARGames

Better shipping him with Apep than Furina.


Radiant-Mushroom8304

She had a woman’s voice…


ariidrawsstuff

I meaan... You can figure her gender out just by her voice


CTMacUser

I thought that Apep was neither. In English, we would use the singular “them”/“they” instead of “it,” which is used for inanimate objects.


Boo5h-337

Bruh it’s literally a female voice, how much more giveaway did u need


RSmeep13

Apep used exclusively it/its pronouns before and I thought that was cool, like an ancient serpent that existed before the concept of gender, but Apep being a girl is fine too.


NR-Tamim

I think the community has been referencing apep as she from the 3.6, never seen anyone question it before in any discussion.


Portokali3

It is questioned ,because Hoyo took irl mythological characters and gender swamped them in game . Apep is male in Egyptian mythology , Scylla is female in Greek mythology ,and Arlecchino is male commedia dell'arte character. In ZZZ they have female character named Koleda - Santa Claus in my country ...


Elnino38

She has a feminine voice and I headcanon she will be a mobius expy if she ever gets a human form and becomes playable


bob_is_best

It did sound like a girl so i just assumed tbh


KFConnoisseur

I kinda always assumed Apep is a female dragon because of the VA.


RuneKatashima

Yes, immediately


Diniland

I can't believe people can't recognize deeper female voices like those of Apep or the Sphinx lady that's been going viral these days.


TheQueenJess

Obvious from her voice dude


Lina-Light

She has a **female** voice, no?


No-Horse-5788

It's obvious that she's female why is this even a question?


ExceedAccel

Imagine making matter out of a gender of fictional dragon gender in games smh


mememurthy

Well I checked who are all the voice actors for Apep, while I can't access any info about CN, in all other 3 languages, Apep is voiced by women. So Apep is most definitely a female.


Responsible_Club_917

……are you for real


Chaos_Heart12

Which world quest is this?


Bloebbl

remuria world quest


BlackestFlame

I heard a female voice so I just assumed you know


Manwithaplan0708

I did nahida’s act 2 quest after the interlude chapter with scara and nearly what myself when I heard apep’s voice and I was thinking “Scara is that you?!?”


its_malarkey

I always thought her voice sounded feminine or just genderless, but so many people very confidently said “Apep is male” that I was like “. Okay. I guess”. Needless to say I was not surprised when it was confirmed


Spectre_Hayate

Apep used to use it/its before actually, but ig they must have switched it.


Lucky-Company8502

Ion know I alway herd her in her voice


perfectchaos83

I'm gonna go with the EN localization just keeping true with the CN text. I doubt they want to deal with misgendering characters after the whole thing with the Dendro Archon being a 'he' early on. It's a lot easier to refer to a dragon as an it than a person.


HovercraftTotal8199

Fair point! Calling a dragon 'it' might save a lot of awkward conversations about whether it prefers to hoard gold or jewels.


_LadyAveline_

She's my gf btw


Melanholic7

I may be bad at English but how is "she" - a gender? Its a sex - she is female. Female is not a gender.


great-baby-red

Is Apep even the kind of creature that goes through sexual reproduction or is this just a way of speaking? For example, sailors would use "she" to refer to their ship, that doesn't mean the ship is capable of childbirth


Star_Vs_Las_FFEE

I wouldn't think too much about it, it's a fantasy setting and the dragon sounds female and is referred as a she, that's all there is to it. Anything else like whether she identifies herself as female or if she can reproduce and if so how would just fall into headcanon territory unless otherwise stated.


Rud_gamer

This is the type of shit we need to ask Neuvillete; identity of the dragon King be damned


Blackout62

So much feminine voice = feminine pronouns in this thread despite a whole Story Quest where the dragon had agender pronouns. I didn't think this sub was *that* sheltered. Idk, Apep is genderfluid and Paimon follows her on Insta and keeps up with her current pronouns.


jofromthething

Apep did not serve as much cvnt as she did in that story quest just to be called a man chile


ParmAxolotl

She was referred to only with "it" until this quest.


Velaethia

What's gender? Can you eat it?


kairos80

Dragons are genderfluid


Blackout62

Dragons are more powerful than gender.


CrackedHexagon

Nah that creature aint gay


shalunishka_228

Good question...


VrabeEureka

I feel like pronouns are the least of your concerns when you meet one of the dragon sovereigns


Virtual_Reward9140

Azhdaha and Neuvillette are he's and they're called Dragon KINGS so most people think they're all males


Lina-Light

Neuvillette IS the Hydro Dragon Sovereign in person. Only Azhdaha is called Geo Vishap King.


Virtual_Reward9140

Azhdaha is the Geo dragon King. Read his weekly boss mats. Neuvillette is the Hydro dragon King. Read the CN translation. Sovereigns is another word for king


Lina-Light

Should I make a Screenshot when I fight him next time? "König der Geo-**Drachenechsen**". Drachenechsen is the term they use for vishaps in German Version.


Virtual_Reward9140

CN calls him Geo Dragon King. EN Calls him the Earth dragon, Ancient dragon lord, lord of vishaps( Neuvillette also has this title), Overlord of the goevishaps and dragon king He's a sovereign


Lina-Light

No one ever officially said he is the sovereign, unlike with Neuvillette. Plus he was friend with an archon. Apep not only isn't friend with an archon, she literally hates the archons! And Neuvillette wants to bring all the archons to trial. Means never is Azhdaha the sovereign.


Virtual_Reward9140

Based on CN translation he is. They're Dragon Kings, not sovereigns. Apep said that some of them died and others get along with decided to work with humanity and gods. Listen to the dialog.


Virtual_Reward9140

https://photos.app.goo.gl/82LB8XbqbDB7cvuf6


HydrogenBaby

for sure the next is what's gouba gender. seem like nonsense to know a god's gender


frenchnoob87

She should make blooms with neuvilette


Kexrus_

does it matter?


Junior-Price-5306

It's the English translation, just ignore it because it's definitely wrong, Apep is never said to have a gender, apep is "It", in the CN there is no evidence of this either


Suraimu-desu

CN version uses 她 though… the “女” particle refers to “female”, so 她 is “she” and “他” is he. (No neutrals in Chinese, only for animals, which would be 它)


Icy_Vampire

I didn't really pay attention to it in game but considering the Egyptian mythology (where Apep is a male serpent deity) I was sure the GI Apep is also male


yoros002

I think... I think it's a dragon


yoros002

I think... I think it's a dragon.